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I agree with this.

Not sure if Las Vegas would keep the "enter at your own risk" for opposing teams as it did in L.A. and does in Oakland but I am thinking it will keep a little bit of that nastiness where there is a reputation to not go unless you are a Raider fan. Sure, that is at odds with the "let's go to Vegas and then see an NFL game" attractiveness that other cities don't have but I think most of the fans for teams like the Chefs and Donkeys live near their teams- so a Vegas road trip to see a road game may not be as appealing. Now, for the random Chef fan living in Wyoming... sure. But as Mass said.... enough to really matter? I am not convinced.

There is a huge fanbase in L.A. that will never move loyalty to the Rams and HELL no to the Chargers. Vegas is only a slightly longer drive than going to SD and we know how we fill those Charger games up. Oakland is not all that too far either. So, a lot of the traveling fans will be Raiders fans. I also think you will build a fanbase in Vegas as well from the locals. It is not a huge market but it is bigger than several other markets without any historical ties to any other teams.  

San Antonio is a horrible idea. First, the likelihood of two of the more powerful owners letting a new Texas team come is in almost non existent. Second, you think you can grab "Cowboy and Texan" fans away from people in SA? Third, it is a small market to begin with while having that uphill battle to gain new loyal fans. Finally, I think you will lose fanbase that you otherwise wont lose.

For L.A., I don't want to be a tenant as much as Davis doesn't want to be. I can't foresee getting terms anywhere near being 'good' from that bloodsucker Rams owner because he has not need to give us good terms and he ought to know that the Raiders back in LA mean that we own LA and the Rams become second fiddle even as they own the stadium. But, all in all, I would say L.A. would be the second best option from what I have seen (next to Vegas).
Vegas is a significantly longer drive than SD, 5 hours vs 2 hours, and there is no train option (and spare me the "not the way I drive" shtick there is always traffic and construction on those routes).  However flights are cheap, fast and frequent from LA, SD and Oak/SF.  Plus there are 2+ million people who live in Vegas and they have never had a team to split allegiances with, unlike LA fans who have had both the Rams & Raiders.  It's also easier to get around Vegas, relatively, than Los Angeles.

Vegas would likely draw more opposing fans than, say San Antonio, Los Angeles or Oakland, but I don't think it would compromise the home field advantage significantly.  Heck, it can't be worse than San Diego where you often see almost as many, or more, opposing fans than Charger fans.

And just wait until the new LA Rams novelty has worn off.  If that team doesn't contend regularly you will see plenty of opposing fans filling the stadiums as the Rams fans pawn their tickets on the secondary markets because they just have to make it to the new pasture raised, gluten free ashtanga yoga class in West LA.

 
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet  6h6 hours ago
Ole Miss DE Robert Nkemdiche had his #AZCardinals visit Monday. #Raiders is today. #Jaguars on Wednesday and #Ravens on Thursday. Busy man.

 
Vegas is a significantly longer drive than SD, 5 hours vs 2 hours, and there is no train option (and spare me the "not the way I drive" shtick there is always traffic and construction on those routes).  However flights are cheap, fast and frequent from LA, SD and Oak/SF.  Plus there are 2+ million people who live in Vegas and they have never had a team to split allegiances with, unlike LA fans who have had both the Rams & Raiders.  It's also easier to get around Vegas, relatively, than Los Angeles.

Vegas would likely draw more opposing fans than, say San Antonio, Los Angeles or Oakland, but I don't think it would compromise the home field advantage significantly.  Heck, it can't be worse than San Diego where you often see almost as many, or more, opposing fans than Charger fans.

And just wait until the new LA Rams novelty has worn off.  If that team doesn't contend regularly you will see plenty of opposing fans filling the stadiums as the Rams fans pawn their tickets on the secondary markets because they just have to make it to the new pasture raised, gluten free ashtanga yoga class in West LA.
It use to take me about 4 1/2 hours to go from the Valley to Vegas. SD would be somewhere between 2 to 4 hours depending on traffic.

Agree on everything else.

 
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 Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne  2h2 hours ago
Just caught up w Cal RB Daniel Lasco. He'll be working out for the Texans Saturday. Also has workouts with the 49ers and Raiders scheduled.

 
Condo has been solid for a long time but he may be getting long in the tooth- don't remember his age but he has been on the team for a while now.

 
mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/09/05/rsp-film-room-no-54-ole-miss-dt-robert-nkemdiche/

Nkemdiche breakdown.  We have been connected to him. 

 
I believe that the Nkemdiche interest is the same league-wide:  No one knows where this guy is gonna go.  Gotta be ready if he is sitting there for you late 1st, early 2nd, mid 2nd.

I mean, I hate the risk at #14, but if we take (fill in name of player you love) at #14, taking this guy in the mid-2nd suddenly sounds great.  

 
A little off topic.... Am I really watching the Paxton Lynch pro day? The over-hyping of QBs is getting out of control. All this face time leads to teams drafting guys like Manziel and RG3 in the first rounds. I'm hoping teams fall all over themselves trying to go after Wentz, Goff and Lynch. This can only bode well for the Raiders. Maybe, just maybe Zeke will fall to them or another blue chip prospect like Jack, Ramsey or Bosa will slide while the QB hungry teams reach on these mediocre prospects.

:popcorn:

 
Rumor from guy on RaiderForums who claims inside knowledge regarding Reggie Nelson:

From my understanding numbers were discussed on Nelson's contract last night and agreed upon I believe a two-year deal is on the table the only thing I can think of for him leaving is his agent will try to shop him for a better deal unlikely to find one he will likely be signed by the Raiders

 
massraider said:
Rumor from guy on RaiderForums who claims inside knowledge regarding Reggie Nelson:

From my understanding numbers were discussed on Nelson's contract last night and agreed upon I believe a two-year deal is on the table the only thing I can think of for him leaving is his agent will try to shop him for a better deal unlikely to find one he will likely be signed by the Raiders
Looks like that guy knew what he was talking about. Nelson signing being reported as a 2 year deal.

 
Scott Bair ‏@BairCSN  8m8 minutes ago
Raiders agree on terms with Bengals safety Reggie Nelson. 2-year deal. Key addition there. Strengthens thin position group.

 
Reggie called Reggie, and Reggie called Reggie back. 

Just like i drew it up.   ;)

greatest off-season I can remember in the last...um...forever?

We can now go into the draft in full on BPA mode with no real holes to fill. 

Except, um....

Reggie, call Donte.

 
Quit possibly their best off season, but I recall that Al had pretty solid off season back in 81 that led to a SB trophy. IIRC, he signed a bunch of veteran free agent DB and such.

 
Quit possibly their best off season, but I recall that Al had pretty solid off season back in 81 that led to a SB trophy. IIRC, he signed a bunch of veteran free agent DB and such.
Can't remember the '81 offseason ;)   (though I was definitely already a fan, but only 14 yrs old). 

Like I said in an earlier post, listing all our draft picks from the Gruden/Gannon era, Al was in full on over-pay-Super-Bowl-MVPs and draft-day-head-scratcher mode. We won in those years in spite of "the organization" around the players. 

Now we're set up to win BECAUSE OF the organization making great decisions and having a solid plan. 

 We must be dreaming...

Reggie, call Donte. 

 
Whitner would complete the dream.  Solid vet we can go into the season with if we have to, and a guy we can set up a young guy to have to unseat.  Removes all chance of being tempted by need in draft and pure BPA at every pick.

 
Bottom line is anything less than a winning record next year will be a disappointment. 

Will be interesting to see who they take in rd1. I hope the get some more RB talent.

 
can anyone see any glaring weaknesses ?
No, we can field a starting lineup that we can be happy with--let's assume Mario is gonna be OK.

Spots I would love to see addressed:

Developmental safety--Young guy pushes Allen to the bench?

Another cornerback--Ameron has done it for a year, but was cut for a reason

2 down MLB--Big boy to rotate with Heeney?

3 tech DT--Another interior penetrator to rotate with Autry/Mario, and the big boys.  

Backup Center--Center is pretty deep this year.  Need a replacement for Bergstrom.

Running back--Competition for Murray

Running back--Competition for Helu

Wide receiver--We have room for another, a slot guy, or a deep threat

Outside linebacker--replacement for Malcolm, if Neiron isn't the guy

I hope we go heavy defense, very. 

 
No, we can field a starting lineup that we can be happy with--let's assume Mario is gonna be OK.

Spots I would love to see addressed:

Developmental safety--Young guy pushes Allen to the bench?

Another cornerback--Ameron has done it for a year, but was cut for a reason

2 down MLB--Big boy to rotate with Heeney?

3 tech DT--Another interior penetrator to rotate with Autry/Mario, and the big boys.  

Backup Center--Center is pretty deep this year.  Need a replacement for Bergstrom.

Running back--Competition for Murray

Running back--Competition for Helu

Wide receiver--We have room for another, a slot guy, or a deep threat

Outside linebacker--replacement for Malcolm, if Neiron isn't the guy

I hope we go heavy defense, very. 
Agree about going heavy on defense, but upgrading the RB talent pool is a big need as well. Murray needs competition and if he gets hurt we are kidding ourselves if we think any of the current backs can carry the load. 

 
can anyone see any glaring weaknesses ?
I don't see a glaring weakness now. I see areas of opportunity. We could still use another RB, a MLB and a starting SS and/or more secondary depth.

It looks like we have our franchise QB.

We solidified a line into one that is looking like one of the top 3 in the league assuming healthy and playing at expected levels.

We have an elite #1 WR in Cooper and a very good complimentary #2 in Cabtree.

Walford flashed some good things to expect him to be a good starting TE. Lee is a very good blocking TE. And we have depth.

Murray is good and I wouldn't worry going to war with just him. I would like someone to pair with him but it is not a glaring weakness in my view.

Kicker and punter are above average for sure.

Our front seven now looks like a strength for us with some big play makers like Mack, Smith and Irvin. It is increasingly looking like Mario is going to be good to go. Our interior is solid. We could use an upgrade at MLB but I think that they will plan on moving Malcolm Smith to the middle and I think he could be serviceable. Again, we could look for an upgrade but I don't see it as something that is a glaring weakness considering the talent around that position.

Sean Smith instantly upgraded our secondary. Amerson should be a good piece opposite of him. I think Hayden has a chance of being decent as a nickel back. Would could bring in more depth but it is not a glaring weakness anymore.

Nelson shores up the safety position. I am not sure if they would want to go with Allen and Nelson together as they are pretty much the same type of player. We are thin in as much as depth and I think we could bring in a Whitner type of SS but I think we would be destroyed if we didn't either.

Reggie is not done. He will make more FA moves which I think will look to further address those needs which is more about depth. And of course, we have the draft where I think we truly have the freedom to go BPA.

 
We still need a left tackle as well.  Penn won't last much longer and seemed to fade towards the end of the year.  Hopefully we can address that in the draft.  At this point things are looking good heading in to the draft, we will take the best player available or possibly even trade back.

 
NFL Draft Needs: Raiders

Thursday, April 07, 2016
 

Evan Silva (@EvanSilva) is the Senior Football Editor for Rotoworld's NFL Page, and Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) leads Rotoworld's college football and NFL draft coverage. Together, they're breaking down every team's biggest needs and offering potential draft-day solutions.

For a breakdown on every team, check out the team-by-team draft preview schedule.

No. 1 Team Need: Defensive Line

Silva's Analysis
 

The Raiders have successfully developed 2014 undrafted free agent Denico Autry into a quality starter at defensive end, but DE/DT Stacy McGee would be best employed in a swing-reserve role and second-year RE/OLB Mario Edwardswas discovered to have a potentially career-threatening genetic condition in his neck. 334-pound DE/NT Justin Ellis is a rotational guy. While Oakland's outside pass rush has come together nicely -- Khalil Mack, Bruce Irvin, eventuallyAldon Smith -- this roster needs another disruptive presence between the tackles.

 

No. 2 Team Need: Running Back


Silva's Analysis


Since last season ended, both GM Reggie McKenzie and coach Jack Del Rio have stated publicly the Raiders want more running back talent. Lacking elusiveness and mistake prone in the passing game, the team was not satisfied withLatavius Murray as its 2015 bellcow back. Murray wasn't all that bad, but based on McKenzie and Del Rio's words, it would not be surprising to see the Raiders draft a new starter. (Think Ezekiel Elliott.)

 

No. 3 Team Need: Inside Linebacker


Silva's Analysis

 
I had safety listed as Oakland's No. 1 need as of Wednesday night, but 2015 NFL interceptions leader Reggie Nelson's signing went a long way toward addressing that weakness. It could be argued that the Raiders' other safety position needs to be upgraded, too, though T.J. Carrie is an intriguing in-house option. The Raiders also have question marks at inside linebacker, where there's a job opening next to Malcolm Smith. 2015 fifth-round pick Ben Heeney did flash potential down the stretch of his rookie year and could be the answer.
 

Norris' Mock Draft

Round 1 (14): RB Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio State - What Evan wants, Evan gets. The case could be made for the Eagles, Giants and Dolphins, among other teams, to select Elliott. But the case can be made against it as well, and I’ve seen beat writers for said teams make them. Personally, I view Elliott as a foundation piece of an NFL offense and a true three-down back.

Round 2 (44): DL Ronald Blair, Appalachian State - I love Blair’s game. He is an extremely explosive and powerful player to jolt his opponent, shed and make plays in the backfield. He can play all the way from outside the tackle to over top of the center. Blair also has a great motor.

Round 3 (75): LB Joshua Perry, Ohio State - The Raiders have two athletic linebackers in Smith and Heeney, along with a few backups. Perry is an above-average athlete and would offer size (6’4”/254 lbs) and a downhill presence that the Raiders might be lacking at the position.

Round 4 (114): S DeAndre Houston-Carson, William & Mary - DHC is involved in almost every tackle made during William & Mary games. Seriously, turn on any game and you’ll see him flying into the box to make his presence felt.

Round 5 (143): CB Nick VanHoose, Northwestern - VanHoose missed the East West Shrine Game due to a finger injury, and we’d associate his quiet draft process with that. On the field, he shows ball skills and the athleticism to stick with receivers during breaking routes and downfield.

Round 5 (154): EDGE Curt Maggitt, Tennessee - Maggitt might fall to this spot purely due to injury. However, when on the field, Maggitt showed promise as a pass rusher and drop end.

Round 6 (194): T Avery Young, Auburn - Young’s positive traits are his movement for a 325-plus pound blocker and his experience at guard and tackle.

Round 7 (234): C Kyle Friend, Temple - Squatty, powerful and tough.

Raiders Current Offensive Depth Chart

QB: Derek Carr

RB: Latavius Murray

WR: Amari Cooper

WR: Michael Crabtree

WR: Seth Roberts

TE: Clive Walford

LT: Donald Penn

LG: Gabe Jackson

C: Rodney Hudson

RG: Kelechi Osemele

RT: Austin Howard

Raiders Current Defensive Depth Chart

LE: Denico Autry

RE: Justin Ellis

NT: Dan Williams

ILB: Malcolm Smith

ILB: Ben Heeney

OLB: Khalil Mack

OLB: Bruce Irvin

LCB: David Amerson

RCB: Sean Smith

FS: Reggie Nelson

SS: T.J. Carrie

 
We still need a left tackle as well.  Penn won't last much longer and seemed to fade towards the end of the year.  Hopefully we can address that in the draft.  At this point things are looking good heading in to the draft, we will take the best player available or possibly even trade back.
We could certainly look to draft a future LT and that would be prudent forward looking but we are in a position where we don't need to and if we don't have a good prospect available- then we don't do it. I think you can pretty much say that of most every position other than QB really since we have a young rising star and a young decent backup.

 
The Raiders have successfully developed 2014 undrafted free agent Denico Autry into a quality starter at defensive end, but DE/DT Stacy McGee would be best employed in a swing-reserve role and second-year RE/OLB Mario Edwards was discovered to have a potentially career-threatening genetic condition in his neck. 334-pound DE/NT Justin Ellis is a rotational guy. While Oakland's outside pass rush has come together nicely -- Khalil Mack, Bruce Irvin, eventuallyAldon Smith -- this roster needs another disruptive presence between the tackles.
Anyone else confused by this? Has Mario ever been confused for a potential OLB? More like a DT/DE, no?

 
Anyone else confused by this? Has Mario ever been confused for a potential OLB? More like a DT/DE, no?
Not confused.  Silva doesn't know what he's talking about.  

He lists D-line as #1 need.  D-line is probably #2 strength behind O-line. Doesn't surprise me he think Edwards is an OLB.  

Although I must give him props for recognizing Autry, that is actually pretty good stuff.

 
can anyone see any glaring weaknesses ?
Oh we still have glaring weaknesses.  Safety isn't up to NFL standards and LB isn't far behind (with Mack/Smith at DE, which is really what they are). We're better than we were, but like the Verizon commercial, being 4x better sometimes just means we're less rubbish than we were before.  TE has exciting potential but probably bottom 10 as of today.  RB is mid-level at best.  None of those squads are playoff caliber.  We are definitely trending up, but we still have a long way to to.   I love the base - Oline, Dline, QB, WR are a great foundation.  With good coaching and player execution (turnovers, penalties) we can make the playoffs, and those words haven't been uttered in a long, long time.  We aren't there yet, but I'm still very, very stoked!

 
We still need a left tackle as well.  Penn won't last much longer and seemed to fade towards the end of the year.  Hopefully we can address that in the draft.  At this point things are looking good heading in to the draft, we will take the best player available or possibly even trade back.
I believe one of the reasons we paid Osemele so much is because he could be our backup Tackle in case something happens to Penn.

 
Ben Volin ‏@BenVolin  14m14 minutes ago
CB Reggie Nelson gets 2 yr, $8.5m w/ #Raiders plus $3.5m incentives. 2016 gtd at $4.25m. 2017 roster bonus becomes gtd if he plays 65% snaps

 
Would the 14th pick for Wilkerson (with the expectation that the Raiders can sign him long-term) be too rich an offer? 

 
Would the 14th pick for Wilkerson (with the expectation that the Raiders can sign him long-term) be too rich an offer? 
I think the concern would be more about having Wilkerson's contract interfere with the deals to keep Mack and Carr next season.

 
They have plenty of ways to get those done.  Mack isn't even due yet, they have a 5th year option on him.  I'd happily sacrifice the 4 years of a cheap Sheldon Rankins to get right to the immediate impact Wilkerson would have.

 
Oh we still have glaring weaknesses.  Safety isn't up to NFL standards and LB isn't far behind (with Mack/Smith at DE, which is really what they are). We're better than we were, but like the Verizon commercial, being 4x better sometimes just means we're less rubbish than we were before.  TE has exciting potential but probably bottom 10 as of today.  RB is mid-level at best.  None of those squads are playoff caliber.  We are definitely trending up, but we still have a long way to to.   I love the base - Oline, Dline, QB, WR are a great foundation.  With good coaching and player execution (turnovers, penalties) we can make the playoffs, and those words haven't been uttered in a long, long time.  We aren't there yet, but I'm still very, very stoked!
Glaring weakness to me means it must be addressed or it will cost us games. Like I said before, there are certainly areas where we can improve and upgrade and we need more depth in a several spots. However, we are a more complete team than most NFL teams. There really aren't many NFL teams that don't have a weakness somewhere on their roster. Assuming health- I think we range from serviceable to damn good across the team. More work to do? Sure. But Reggie has placed the team in the best position during the draft to after the BPA for our scheme and team without being forced to address a "glaring weakness".

 
Reggie has done a fantastic job so far this offseason.  

I still feel that the Raiders need a true slot WR.  That can be addressed in the middle rounds of the draft.  

LB is a must. Would love to see that addressed in the first 3 rounds. 

 
any solid free agent MLBs left out there that can be had on the cheap?

depth depth depth.

oh, and, Reggie, call Donte.

 

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