bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Nah man if mccoy can go hes gonna go . he gives them the best chance to win. We might be jumping the gun on thd injury. Mccoy has been know to tweek stuff and come right back.
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beerbuff
Footballguy
That's what people don't seem to grasp. He's a WR playing in an RB role this week, if you don't have a better pure RB (that you are starting as a RB) you are in trouble since as a WR/Flex there have to be better options.
strong
Footballguy
if it's a RB i can play at WR who gets 7-10 carries and 6+ targets, i'll take my chances. that's a nice floor at WR3 and a pretty high ceiling (even if he only gets 20-40 rushing yards).
he's in my lineup over emmanuel sanders.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
take this for what it's worth. on espn radio last night they had a guest whose name I didn't catch but is either the actual local announcer for the Packers games or a local beat writer who has a good beat on the team. he stated that the team always wanted to develop Ty as a RB because he has the measurables and decent skill set to be a NFL back. He even noted that this doesn't mean gadget type plays like Cobb, but as an actual RB role. how successful this project would be is anyone's guess, but this is the first I heard of this and he stated this as a something the team had in mind since drafting him.beerbuff said:
mikel0254
Footballguy
Well that went south quick...
JFS171
Footballguy
Excellent info, and it's what I've been arguing in the various GB RB threads (Ty's, Knile's, and Don Jackson's). Ty is built like a RB. Rodgers has now been quoted by two separate announcing crews on two separate broadcasts as saying RB is Montgomery's best position. He's got a bit of Forte's build, and he glides a bit like Forte does. I'm not saying he's a between the tackles banger, but he's got good size and he sure looked good last night.
Maybe not the point of this thread, as Montgomery isn't RB-eligible, and the only platform where that seems plausible is Yahoo. But he's a damn good player and I'm very happy I chased him hard and acquired in every single league... I think he's a potential season changer.
JFS171
Footballguy
On Mike Davis... situation right now doesn't shape up as a season changer yet. He's going to get an opportunity this weekend to develop the hot hand, then go from there. He's gotta deliver, obviously. I think the best case scenario is he shows enough juice to earn a complementary role to Hyde where Hyde gets 60% and Davis gets 40%. That's probably not startable, but Hyde hasn't been an ironman in his NFL career either.
I see this weekend as Davis' big chance to plant his flag as the unquestioned handcuff. As stated either earlier in here or in the Davis thread, Waldman in the RSP said Davis could push Hyde for the starting job if he ever got a shot. Guess we're about to find out.
I see this weekend as Davis' big chance to plant his flag as the unquestioned handcuff. As stated either earlier in here or in the Davis thread, Waldman in the RSP said Davis could push Hyde for the starting job if he ever got a shot. Guess we're about to find out.
JFS171
Footballguy
@Ilov80s and @TZMarkie -- good reminders on Farrow. I echo the sentiments... he's a very solidly built dude with some CJ Anderson type of running to his game. Not a speed demon, but he can get what's blocked and has some agility to get some more. I don't know how his hands are, but the situation is very ripe for a late season king maker to emerge. Gordon's getting SO MUCH VOLUME... and volume doesn't always equal injury, but it's more chances to get injured IMO. If Gordon goes down, McCluster isn't taking over the workhorse role.
Prime situation for a handcuff IMO.
Prime situation for a handcuff IMO.
JFS171
Footballguy
@daylight I'd like to recant my DJ Foster support... I think there's more hurdles to him getting on the field than initially believed. White's a guy Brady trusts -- and that's huge. Blount is going nowhere. If Blount gets hurt, they brought back Gaffney to the practice squad. Plus Lewis is theoretically returning at some point too. That's a lot of dominos that have to fall for DJ Foster to get a shot... I'd take him off the list.
He may still be a guy to keep in mind from a dynasty perspective, but I'd be surprised if he delivers anything this year. Gaffney may even be a better longshot guy, and I certainly wouldn't roster him.
He may still be a guy to keep in mind from a dynasty perspective, but I'd be surprised if he delivers anything this year. Gaffney may even be a better longshot guy, and I certainly wouldn't roster him.
JFS171
Footballguy
Was just about to say this -- I'll be trying to get him this week in my leagues. Carey was playing ahead of Howard in relief of Langford early in the season, then got hurt. He's finally healthy now, and Howard had a good run in his absence... but it goes back to John Fox IMO and his distrust or lack of willingness to lean on rookies at the RB position. He's basically never done it in his career. Now Carey's pushing for the starting spot, or so it would seem. Sure felt last night that Carey got 2 series for every 1 for Howard.
Does that make them both irrelevant? I'm not sure one way or the other, but Carey out-snapped Howard last night 26-22, and he out-touched him 11-7.
mikel0254
Footballguy
Dont forget Langford is coming back. I wouldn't be making it a priority to chase Carey...it'll be a mess for a little while. Plus they have MIN then Bye. You can't use a Chicago RB for three more weeks (unless completely desperate).
JFS171
Footballguy
Good point on Minny and the bye, but post-bye they get Bucs, Giants, Titans, 49ers... then a post-season slate of Lions, Packers, Redskins before week 17 @ Vikings, but thankfully that doesn't matter for most fantasy leagues.
Lions and Redskins both suck against the run - if there's a clear lead back, it's plausible that RB is a strong play in the playoffs.
daylight
Footballguy
Bump with updates in red including updates to some of @JFS171 quotes, and added K. Carey to the Honorables.
What possible Season Changing / Champion Maker (Lotto Ticket) RB's are out there on waivers (or possibly a buy low)? RB's who could put up Top 5 RB numbers ROS. We are talking preemptive.
To paraphrase @TZMarkie : "This is for re-draft and we are looking for the ones with the best combination of availability, upside and possibility of a big workload. That combination would likely give the average owner the best chance at hitting the "lottery ticket RB" that could change an owners season."
Potential Season Changers / Champion Makers - Here is my Post-Week-6 list, loosely ranked:
What possible Season Changing / Champion Maker (Lotto Ticket) RB's are out there on waivers (or possibly a buy low)? RB's who could put up Top 5 RB numbers ROS. We are talking preemptive.
To paraphrase @TZMarkie : "This is for re-draft and we are looking for the ones with the best combination of availability, upside and possibility of a big workload. That combination would likely give the average owner the best chance at hitting the "lottery ticket RB" that could change an owners season."
Potential Season Changers / Champion Makers - Here is my Post-Week-6 list, loosely ranked:
- D. Booker DEN - big defense holds game scripts on a team that wants to run, usage is trending up, trend continued Oct 13 v DEN - Here's the thread on Booker: Devontae Booker
- D. Williams PIT - did well last year when Bell was out (twice) - Bloom *continues* to advise to hold him at all costs in The Audible
- A. Morris DAL - still looks good on a team that wants to and can run the ball
- B. Powell NYJ - Bloom has recently stated in a pod cast that Powell could be a #1 given the chance - UPDATE: the Jets looked inept Oct 17 - does Powell belong on this list?
- D. Henry TEN - another team that wants to run the ball - has looked really good in limited opportunities
- M. Gillislee BUF - another team that wants to run the ball all day - volume play here - Oct 16: it was SF after all but a nice 6-60-1 line Could start this Sun if McCoy can't go
- Mike Davis SF FROM ROTOWORLD: (Oct 17) thanks to @JFS171 : "Mike Davis rushed five times for 13 yards and caught 1-of-3 targets for six yards Week 6 against the Bills. When Carlos Hyde briefly left the game with a shoulder injury, Davis took over instead of Shaun Draughn. Davis out-snapped Draughn 24-to-5 and out-touched him 6-to-1. It is only one game, but it looks like Davis is establishing himself as Hyde's handcuff. " UPDATE: I replaced Draughn with Davis on this list
- Rawls SEA - a ton of potential - OL issues didn't seem to matter last year with his 5+ YPC - nervous owners may have dropped him
- Rob Kelley WAS - per @zamboni "(HC) said (Oct 9th) that while Jones is still the guy, Kelley deserves more carries" - is this a changing of the guard situation? How good is WAS OL? - Oct 16: 5-59-0 <-- nice line but Jones also had a nice 16-135-1 line - I thought PHI's defense was good??
- K. Dixon BAL - wasn't used much his 1st week back but I *love* players on teams that fire their HC/OC - the new coach often shakes things up increasing fantasy value - looks like it's West's show going forward
- Dwayne Washington DET - on a team with a mediocre defense and a tendency to pass anyway, how much production? - Zenner went 14-58-0 Oct 16 perhaps he is the Lotto Ticket in DET? per @BobbyLayne: No. Yesterday (Oct 16) was a desperation game plan - Boldin playing Ebron's role, Tate playing Riddick's role, Zenner was effective but he's the clear #3 behind Swaggy and Theo (#4 if AA ever comes back in 2016 but that seems unlikely.)
- W. Smallwood PHI - 4-6-0 Oct 16 while Matthews went 9-60-0 and 3-75-0 receiving
- Dion Lewis NE - see DJ Foster below
- DJ Foster NE - per @JFS171 "I think there's more hurdles to him getting on the field than initially believed. White's a guy Brady trusts -- and that's huge. Blount is going nowhere. If Blount gets hurt, they brought back Gaffney to the practice squad. Plus Lewis is theoretically returning at some point too. That's a lot of dominos that have to fall for DJ Foster to get a shot... I'd take him off the list"
- Farrow SDC - @JFS171 : "he's a very solidly built dude with some CJ Anderson type of running to his game. Not a speed demon, but he can get what's blocked and has some agility to get some more. I don't know how his hands are, but the situation is very ripe for a late season king maker to emerge. Gordon's getting SO MUCH VOLUME... and volume doesn't always equal injury, but it's more chances to get injured IMO. If Gordon goes down, McCluster isn't taking over the workhorse role. Prime situation for a handcuff IMO."
- A. Ellington ARZ
- Malcolm Brown STL
- DeAndre Washington OAK - per @need2know "The 3 way split becomes a 4 way when Murray gets back. Horrible situation for fantasy" - used more than Richard Oct 16
- Jalen Richard OAK - thanks to @davearm for this one and per @austinball "Im seeing just as may "experts' whispering that he's the more talented explosive back as DW. Personally I think JR looks speedier" - out used by DeAndre Washington Oct 16
- Paul Perkins NYG - thanks @austinball Can he produce like a Top 5 RB if he gets the chance?
- Hightower - thanks to @Rodrigo Duterte who states "would be an automatic RB2" - I've added him to the Honorables as I don't see him as a Season Changer / Lotto Ticket
- Don Jackson GB - running with the 1's in practice Oct 19th
- K. Carey CHI
- Howard CHI - Is Fox finally being Fox and snubbing the rookie for a new healthier Carey?
- Ware KC - He is a "must roster, must hold" for sure now and if available will be a hot WW pickup this week.
- Knile Davis GB - whatever his production, highly likely to be rostered by now and does not qualify as a preemptive
- Jay Ajayi MIA - whatever happens in MIA, highly likely to be rostered by now and does not qualify as a preemptive
- J. Rodgers TBB - was likely taken off waivers after his breakout 30 carry Oct 16 game
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Yeoman's work here, daylight, thanks!
This is a long and comprehensive list, but in it's ongoing additions and permutations, would be good to discuss really narrowing and focusing on the tickets we're more confident than not to get punched and pay off.
Of all the backs here, the following to me are the truest lottery winning backs, ranked in order:
Ajayi -- Foster IMHO is toast, and Ajayi is the best guy left. Damien Williams and Kenyon Drake may have talent, but Ajayi (despite fits and starts) is getting it done.
Booker -- already in an increasing time share with CJ with a coach continually talking up getting him more.
D. Henry -- Murray is the man, but he's being run at around 20 carries/game -- with Mularkey showing no signs of letting off Murray's gas, I think he starts to wear down. Enter Henry's fresher and just as talented legs.
K. Davis -- may have ranked him higher than Henry given he has the opportunity and is less dependent on injury, but until he gets over the spectre of a committee, and given that GB's is more pass than run dependent, feel good about him here for now.
A. Morris -- see above, replacing Murray with Elliott. Elliott is extraordinary and taking the league by storm. Hope it lasts as it's fun to watch; but with what we;ve seen across the RB landscape so far this year, things can change mighty quick.
D.Will -- Ben being out means that Bell is going to be leaned on even more to take some pressure of Landry Jones.
Tied in the next tier are guys with opportunity that have yet to prove it on the field (K. Dixon, D. Lewis, D. Washington), and those who may shoot up the list if injury to the starter lingers/gets worse (Gillislee, M. Davis).
TZMarkie
Footballguy
This is kind of what I have been saying all along.
I look at Farrow like a "jack of all trades, but master of none". He seems to be decent across the board, but nothing that pops off the screen in the little bit of work I have seen.
But we all know, opportunity trumps everything in our game, and if he is somehow thrust into 16+ touches a game soon, thats all we need. We don't have to have a true dominator rest of season, all we are looking for is solid RB2 numbers, and he looks like he should be a lock to give us that. IF HE GETS THAT TYPE WORKLOAD . Plus the tidy fact that he likely won't come out around the goal line is icing on the cake for me.
Who will do the goal line work there if its not him... McCluster? Methinks not.
I am seriously, SERIOUSLY debating dropping Jordan Howard in the two leagues where I have both Melvin Gordon and Howard both.
Like it or not boys..............this is just the time of season where injuries start happening regular and most guys get nicked. Having Farrow as "Gordon insurance" sounds extremely appealing to me, even if its at the expense of Howard.
I know it seems to be a little early to outright cut Howard, but the next few weeks look just awful for him, and it may well end up some bull#### committee to boot.
TZM
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daylight
Footballguy
@Stompin' Tom Connors - thank you and I like your list and commentary. In both my 12 team leagues (one is MFL and the other ESPN) Ajayi was drafted and rostered all year long - no drops - hence my "Too Late". I do not consider him preemptive though your mileage may vary.
thehoch
Footballguy
Lorenzo Taliaferro has been activated to 53 man roster. Ravens could of waited two more weeks to activated but chose to do so ahead of schedule. He's returning after one year off and foot surgery. He's feels fantastic and says he contain the "joy" he has right now on being back.
Hmmmm.......I think he gets his shot to play. I am not a fan of West and I think Taliaferro could be in line for goal line work too.
Hmmmm.......I think he gets his shot to play. I am not a fan of West and I think Taliaferro could be in line for goal line work too.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
I dropped DWill for Gillislee earlier this week. DWill is hurt, Big Ben is hurt and they are on the bye next week. Add the news about Shady and it seemed like an obvious move.
JFS171
Footballguy
Interesting take - I used to like ZoBot quite a bit, but they keep throwing RBs at the wall there, telling me they're not sold on him. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out. Before he got hurt, I think he was pushing Forsett and Buck Allen -- though this was preseason a year ago. Since then West and Dixon were added, as well as Trent Richardson. Idk if that means anything or not... still pulling for one of the great nicknames in the game to become relevant again.
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
I bought into the Taliaferro Hype Train two years ago. Not hopping back on until I see a reason. Dizon is on my waiver wire, I'd take the flier on him first.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
LoZo could be a FORCE !!Chaka said:
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I think Zo-Fro could do something. T-West is hurting, Buck-Al is ineffective and J-For was released. They really haven't had a stellear, consistent back since J-Lew.
thehoch
Footballguy
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Don't worry, I speak jive.
Thunderlips believes Lorenzo Talliaferro to be a potential pick-up due to the Ravens releasing Justin Foresett, the general mediocre play of Buck Allen, and a less than 100% Terrance West. He also believes the Ravens have not had a consistent fantasy football running back since Jamal Lewis.
TartanLion
Footballguy
It is also unclear at this juncture whether he was taking the existence of Kenneth Dixon into consideration in lieu of the fact that he failed to mention him
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Thoughts on Langford? I know he's a very unpopular player, but Bell has been released which means Langford is likely expected back soon. Howard really hasn't been good. Langford was the guy that won the starting job to begin with. The schedule is a bit of an issue, but it could be a nice longterm play. This week the Bears play the Vikings so it seems pretty likely Howard and Carey will struggle. Then there is the bye and the schedule lightens up.
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Interesting, from what I saw of Howard, I really liked his ability. Why do you state that he hasn't been good?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Howard is def droppable in redraft.
As for market value, pretty close to nil given the last 2 weeks results and the next couple weeks forecast (bad matchup, bye, & full blown RBBC once the schedule eases.)
Go to page 1. 17th lotto ticket. Any spike he got from running well v. two bad defenses has evaporated.
#forward
As for market value, pretty close to nil given the last 2 weeks results and the next couple weeks forecast (bad matchup, bye, & full blown RBBC once the schedule eases.)
Go to page 1. 17th lotto ticket. Any spike he got from running well v. two bad defenses has evaporated.
#forward
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I guess not that he hasn't been good. He's been ok. I heard some talking 2 weeks ago that he was an RB1. To me he is just very average. He is stretch was very similar to the stretch we saw from Langford last year.
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Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Dropping him in a redraft. This is looking like RBBC. I needed to cut someone and his time was up. I am holding in another league based on some good MUs down the line after they get past MIN and the bye week. I think Langford and Carey cut into the targets.
daylight
Footballguy
Bump with updates in red. Bloom called Peyton Barber a Potential Season Changer in last nights WW Audible.
What possible Season Changing / Champion Maker (Lotto Ticket) RB's are out there on waivers (or possibly a buy low)? RB's who could put up Top 5 RB numbers ROS. We are talking preemptive.
To paraphrase @TZMarkie : "This is for re-draft and we are looking for the ones with the best combination of availability, upside and possibility of a big workload. That combination would likely give the average owner the best chance at hitting the "lottery ticket RB" that could change an owners season."
Potential Season Changers / Champion Makers - Here is my Post-Week-6 list, loosely ranked:
What possible Season Changing / Champion Maker (Lotto Ticket) RB's are out there on waivers (or possibly a buy low)? RB's who could put up Top 5 RB numbers ROS. We are talking preemptive.
To paraphrase @TZMarkie : "This is for re-draft and we are looking for the ones with the best combination of availability, upside and possibility of a big workload. That combination would likely give the average owner the best chance at hitting the "lottery ticket RB" that could change an owners season."
Potential Season Changers / Champion Makers - Here is my Post-Week-6 list, loosely ranked:
- D. Booker DEN - big defense holds game scripts on a team that wants to run, usage is trending up, trend continued Oct 13 v DEN - Here's the thread on Booker: Devontae Booker
- D. Williams PIT - did well last year when Bell was out (twice) - Bloom *continues* to advise to hold him at all costs in The Audible
- A. Morris DAL - still looks good on a team that wants to and can run the ball
- B. Powell NYJ - Bloom has recently stated in a pod cast that Powell could be a #1 given the chance - UPDATE: the Jets looked inept Oct 17 - does Powell belong on this list?
- D. Henry TEN - another team that wants to run the ball - has looked really good in limited opportunities
- M. Gillislee BUF - another team that wants to run the ball all day - volume play here - Oct 16: it was SF after all but a nice 6-60-1 line
- Mike Davis SF FROM ROTOWORLD: (Oct 17) thanks to @JFS171 : "Mike Davis rushed five times for 13 yards and caught 1-of-3 targets for six yards Week 6 against the Bills. When Carlos Hyde briefly left the game with a shoulder injury, Davis took over instead of Shaun Draughn. Davis out-snapped Draughn 24-to-5 and out-touched him 6-to-1. It is only one game, but it looks like Davis is establishing himself as Hyde's handcuff. " UPDATE: I replaced Draughn with Davis on this list
- Rawls SEA - a ton of potential - OL issues didn't seem to matter last year with his 5+ YPC - nervous owners may have dropped him
- Peyton Barber - opinions?
- Rob Kelley WAS - per @zamboni "(HC) said (Oct 9th) that while Jones is still the guy, Kelley deserves more carries" - is this a changing of the guard situation? How good is WAS OL? - Oct 16: 5-59-0 <-- nice line but Jones also had a nice 16-135-1 line - I thought PHI's defense was good??
- K. Dixon BAL - looks like it's West's show going forward
- Dwayne Washington DET - on a team with a mediocre defense and a tendency to pass anyway, how much production?
- W. Smallwood PHI - 4-6-0 Oct 16 while Matthews went 9-60-0 and 3-75-0 receiving
- Dion Lewis NE - see DJ Foster below
- Farrow SDC - @JFS171 : "he's a very solidly built dude with some CJ Anderson type of running to his game. Not a speed demon, but he can get what's blocked and has some agility to get some more. I don't know how his hands are, but the situation is very ripe for a late season king maker to emerge. Gordon's getting SO MUCH VOLUME... and volume doesn't always equal injury, but it's more chances to get injured IMO. If Gordon goes down, McCluster isn't taking over the workhorse role. Prime situation for a handcuff IMO."
- A. Ellington ARZ
- Malcolm Brown STL
- DeAndre Washington OAK - per @need2know "The 3 way split becomes a 4 way when Murray gets back. Horrible situation for fantasy" - used more than Richard Oct 16
- Jalen Richard OAK - thanks to @davearm for this one and per @austinball "Im seeing just as may "experts' whispering that he's the more talented explosive back as DW. Personally I think JR looks speedier" - out used by DeAndre Washington Oct 16
- Paul Perkins NYG - thanks @austinball Can he produce like a Top 5 RB if he gets the chance?
- Hightower - thanks to @Rodrigo Duterte who states "would be an automatic RB2" - I've added him to the Honorables as I don't see him as a Season Changer / Lotto Ticket
- Don Jackson GB - running with the 1's in practice Oct 19th
- K. Carey CHI
- Howard CHI - Apparently was a 2 hit wonder for a desperate Fox
- Ware KC - He is a "must roster, must hold" for sure now and if available will be a hot WW pickup this week.
- Knile Davis GB - whatever his production, highly likely to be rostered by now and does not qualify as a preemptive
- Jay Ajayi MIA - whatever happens in MIA, highly likely to be rostered by now and does not qualify as a preemptive
- J. Rodgers TBB - was likely taken off waivers after his breakout 30 carry Oct 16 game
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Seeing a lot of chatter on Rawls (40%ish owned so not available in all leagues.)
Guess I could drop my bye week filler TE (Doyle) to pick him up.
He looked impressive last year but just wasn't the same guy in the two limited appearances we saw early in the season.
Seattle does seem willing to give him a shot at a time share, though.
Guess I could drop my bye week filler TE (Doyle) to pick him up.
He looked impressive last year but just wasn't the same guy in the two limited appearances we saw early in the season.
Seattle does seem willing to give him a shot at a time share, though.
JFS171
Footballguy
I think there's a couple of things playing into this...
1) Tampa seems unwilling to let Jameis lead the offense - they want someone running the ball A LOT. Right now that's Quizz, and I don't think he's going anywhere unless he gets hurt.
2) Gene Bramel said on either the waiver wire podcast last week or the audible live show that players returning from soft tissue injuries (like a hamstring) that have a set back often reinjure the muscle as badly or worse than the initial injury. That's why it's so tricky to come back from these things as a running back where you have to be able to explode through holes, accelerate very quickly, and really stress those muscles. There's no way to really simulate it other than getting back on the field... which didn't go well for Martin.
3) IF Martin, in fact, reinjured the hamstring as bad as he did the first time, we're probably looking at another 4-5 weeks, then he's got to try to get back in practice and test it out... and does it all happen again?
4) In the above scenario (i.e., the absence of Martin) it's all Quizz, who's 5'6" and never been a workhorse before. Peyton Barber is currently his caddy, was a Matt Waldman Favorite (TM), and would inherit a high volume load with a pretty nice schedule should something happen to Quizz...
I think that's the crux of it all.
JFS171
Footballguy
I don't know what to make of this... their running game struggles don't look like the fault of Michael to me, and Michael ran circles around Rawls earlier this year. Pete Carroll is often overly optimistic about injuries (remember when they initially said Rawls was week-to-week? He had a freakin broken fibula). If you're in a league that allows you to stash Rawls (Yahoo allows you to put players with the 'doubtful' or 'out' designation in an IR spot) then he may be worth a stash, if for nothing else than insurance against a Michael injury. I guess I don't see the point in lessening Michael's load though - he's doing quite well.
Chaka
Footballguy
Two things: 1) Matthews doesn't have 75 receiving yards on the season let alone in one game. He went 9-60-0 and 0-0-0 in that game. Still Smallwood's snap% and utilization have been pretty consistent so I expect him to be little more than an injury handcuff as long as Phili is still fighting for a playoff spot.
2) Patriots apparently expect to get Lewis back at practice this week. I think he is a more viable option than Foster ATM. Although with the way White is manning the receiving back role I doubt the Patriots rush Lewis back.
JFS171
Footballguy
To me, Farrow belongs on the potential season changers list... he got a couple carries against Atlanta and put up 13 yards. I didn't see the game, so I'm not sure if he looked good or if he ran through huge lanes. Still, the team is now saying they should be mindful of Gordon's workload. In the same piece, they reference getting Farrow more involved:
That's a potential kingmaker in fantasy.
I don't take that so much as an indictment of Farrow (the "it won't look pretty" portion of his comment). How often has it really looked pretty for Gordon? He's averaging 3.3 yards per carry, somehow less than his career mark of 3.4 YPC. However, his volume is through the roof -- 158 touches in 7 games, on pace for over 360 on the season. Gordon isn't exactly a big dude, and he's already had a major surgery that *could* affect his durability down the road. As for this year, I don't necessarily believe the guy is injury prone, but again, the more you touch the ball, the more hits you take, the more opportunity for one of those hits to sideline a guy. Should that happen, Farrow's going to inherit a GIANT workload on a prolific offense.
That's a potential kingmaker in fantasy.
JFS171
Footballguy
Yeah I said before I'd drop Foster off the list... I think he's a name to be mindful of in dynasty, and that's about it. And I certainly wouldn't have Lewis in Honorable Mention either -- he's a potential kingmaker. The guy was a top-5 RB in PPR before his injury last year... now yes, they're going to be careful with him and going to make sure he's 100% healthy, but *if* he gets back on the field at 100% and makes a full recovery (which we usually see from ACL injuries these days - heck patella tendon tears are now coming back near 100%), Dion can absolutely be a difference maker down the stretch. I think James White has been serviceable, but I don't think he's displaced a healthy Lewis. Lewis was the difference maker he was last year because of his ability to run between the tackles AND be such a threat in the passing game. White doesn't offer the between-the-tackles juice, and Blount doesn't offer the passing game punch. For an offense that so highly values multiplicity and options from any formation, Lewis is the perfect back.
Fully expect they'll be very conservative here, but he's a potentially major difference maker.
worrierking
Footballguy
I just can't see Mike Davis being any more than filler. Even if Hyde is out for a long stretch he is still competing for carries with Harris, Draughn and Kaepernick. I can't see him being a season-changing back, even if he is the best of that bunch. I don't see them grinding out the run game with a lead too frequently.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I searched in this thread and I do not see (or remember) him much discussed except for the OP and maybe one or two other times. This was kind of 'the' answer I think. There was Ware and there may be others coming down the pike like Booker. However I guess like Howard players can fall off a cliff as soon as they get on top of it as well.
JFS171
Footballguy
I'll take a pass at how I'd order these:
KingMakers:
Dion Lewis - I almost think he deserves his own tier if not into the Too Late bucket. Lewis doesn't need an injury in front of him for a substantial role - he just needs health, and that's apparently coming together.
Shared Workload + Upside:
Devontae Booker - looks great, has value now, and major upside if CJ went down
Bilal Powell - prior to last week was getting significant run and had the upside should Forte go down
Ka'Deem Carey/Jeremy Langford (though the schedule is brutal and we could be facing a 3-way split - gross)
Injury KingMakers:
DeAngelo Williams - Bell handcuff, if he can get healthy
Alfred Morris - Zeke handcuff
Kenneth Farrow - Gordon handcuff
Derrick Henry - Murray handcuff
Mike Gillislee - McCoy handcuff
Thomas Rawls - Michael handcuff -- IF he's healthy... he could move into the above tier, but I'm skeptical he's healthy anytime soon
Charknado? - Charles having trouble with both knees apparently -- this is Ware's backfield, but the usage is sky high for KC backs, and if Chark is the only guy left standing...
Honorable Mention:
Dwayne Washington -- there's upside here, but he's gotta get healthy and could still be sharing with Riddick down the road (but Riddick may have a serious injury himself too)
Paul Perkins -- if they benched Jennings or Jennings got hurt, Perkins could be something. He's got a chance to move up the tiers
Washington/Richard -- if Murray goes down or gets benched, but they probably share. I seem to be in the minority preferring Washington slightly
Don Jackson -- Who is Don Jackson? I think he's got a bit of talent, and I think Knile Davis sucks... so, maybe he gets a chance as the Montgomery complement?
Peyton Barber - per my previous post, if Martin stays out and Quizz goes down...
Wendell Smallwood -- kind of a committee mess, even if Mathews were to be injured
Rob Kelley -- in theory, the Matt Jones replacement, though Thompson complicates
Kenneth Dixon/Taliaferro -- I'm not sure where he stands anymore... I don't think he's healthy, and West looks good, and now there's ZoBot too
Andre Ellington - theoretically David Johnson's handcuff, but I'm skeptical he'd get nearly the same workload and wouldn't have to split
Malcolm Brown -- probably the best replacement for Gurley, but the offense is so bad and they'd have Cunningham do more too
Mike Davis -- if Hyde gets hurt (and he's been fragile) Davis would get a shot to establish the hot hand, but he had that chance last week, scored a TD, then split work 3-ways on an awful team -- yuck
Too Late:
Spencer Ware
Jay Ajayi
Knile Davis (I think he's fool's gold, but we'll see)
Jordan Howard
Quizz Rodgers
KingMakers:
Dion Lewis - I almost think he deserves his own tier if not into the Too Late bucket. Lewis doesn't need an injury in front of him for a substantial role - he just needs health, and that's apparently coming together.
Shared Workload + Upside:
Devontae Booker - looks great, has value now, and major upside if CJ went down
Bilal Powell - prior to last week was getting significant run and had the upside should Forte go down
Ka'Deem Carey/Jeremy Langford (though the schedule is brutal and we could be facing a 3-way split - gross)
Injury KingMakers:
DeAngelo Williams - Bell handcuff, if he can get healthy
Alfred Morris - Zeke handcuff
Kenneth Farrow - Gordon handcuff
Derrick Henry - Murray handcuff
Mike Gillislee - McCoy handcuff
Thomas Rawls - Michael handcuff -- IF he's healthy... he could move into the above tier, but I'm skeptical he's healthy anytime soon
Charknado? - Charles having trouble with both knees apparently -- this is Ware's backfield, but the usage is sky high for KC backs, and if Chark is the only guy left standing...
Honorable Mention:
Dwayne Washington -- there's upside here, but he's gotta get healthy and could still be sharing with Riddick down the road (but Riddick may have a serious injury himself too)
Paul Perkins -- if they benched Jennings or Jennings got hurt, Perkins could be something. He's got a chance to move up the tiers
Washington/Richard -- if Murray goes down or gets benched, but they probably share. I seem to be in the minority preferring Washington slightly
Don Jackson -- Who is Don Jackson? I think he's got a bit of talent, and I think Knile Davis sucks... so, maybe he gets a chance as the Montgomery complement?
Peyton Barber - per my previous post, if Martin stays out and Quizz goes down...
Wendell Smallwood -- kind of a committee mess, even if Mathews were to be injured
Rob Kelley -- in theory, the Matt Jones replacement, though Thompson complicates
Kenneth Dixon/Taliaferro -- I'm not sure where he stands anymore... I don't think he's healthy, and West looks good, and now there's ZoBot too
Andre Ellington - theoretically David Johnson's handcuff, but I'm skeptical he'd get nearly the same workload and wouldn't have to split
Malcolm Brown -- probably the best replacement for Gurley, but the offense is so bad and they'd have Cunningham do more too
Mike Davis -- if Hyde gets hurt (and he's been fragile) Davis would get a shot to establish the hot hand, but he had that chance last week, scored a TD, then split work 3-ways on an awful team -- yuck
Too Late:
Spencer Ware
Jay Ajayi
Knile Davis (I think he's fool's gold, but we'll see)
Jordan Howard
Quizz Rodgers
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