Buck Bradcanon
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Very nice post @JFS171. Thanks for the breakdown.
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2016 RB Lotto Ticket Rankings (1 Viewer)
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skol asylum
Footballguy
Would it be dumb to drop Gillislee and preemptively pick up Dion Lewis now? I'm thin at RB with both ATL backs, Crow, Booker, and Gillislee. Rawls is also available.
JFS171
Footballguy
Every situation is different, and folks will give you different opinions. I'd rather own Lewis than Gillislee in a vacuum, provided I didn't need immediate production this week. In your situation I'd use Freeman and Booker/Crow, and swing for the fences with Lewis.
Plus, again, in most leagues his PUP designation means you can use an IR spot on Lewis (if you have such a spot in your league). I'm skeptical on Rawls.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
I would like to add a name to the list, a guy that has had some FF success before. Charc West.
My basis here is that Jamal got MRIs on both knees after getting what like 10 carries total this year so far? I am just not sure he comes back at all. And they are riding Ware pretty hard in the meantime.
So a few touches each game because I don't expect Charles back soon, and massive injury upside behind a workhorse back in Ware in a great running offense.
My basis here is that Jamal got MRIs on both knees after getting what like 10 carries total this year so far? I am just not sure he comes back at all. And they are riding Ware pretty hard in the meantime.
So a few touches each game because I don't expect Charles back soon, and massive injury upside behind a workhorse back in Ware in a great running offense.
JFS171
Footballguy
That's a great call - and I actually meant to add him to my post and forgot. I've added him now.
Charles having trouble getting healthy - who knows if those are bumps in the road or big problems? It's Ware's backfield, but KC uses the backs so much that if Ware went down, and Charknado was the only guy left standing... watch out.
groin pains
Footballguy
As a Giants fan, I hear Mac may be making some changes to the offense coming out of the bye. I can see the fumble machine, Donnell, seeing less time on the field and the one that relates to this topic is Perkins seeing an increased workload. Through 7 games the Giants running game has been NON EXISTENT! My gut tells me that we may start seeing Perkins a lot more. He has great vision to find the hole and is a very good pass catcher. His knock has been at pass protection.
the spanker
Footballguy
I'm surprised to see C. Thompson hardly mentioned at all as Matt Jones has a real problem holding on to the ball.
Can someone help me out and answer, is C. Thompson a RB#2 regardless of Matt Jones production in PPR leagues ROS?
Can someone help me out and answer, is C. Thompson a RB#2 regardless of Matt Jones production in PPR leagues ROS?
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
the spanker
Footballguy
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Roster dependent I suppose, but sure he could be a weekly PPR flex. I just have no idea what WAS backfield is going to show up each week.
hamsterdam
Footballguy
Matt Jones DNP today and apparently on sideline in a hoodie.
Kelley anyone?
Kelley anyone?
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TZMarkie
Footballguy
The Devontae Booker prices are about to explode.
I mentioned it several times on this board, that he may well be the "ultimate shark hold" or a "must stash".
News is coming out that CJ Anderson's knee issue in this last game may be more significant and he is "seeking a second opinion".
TZM
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
May as well add Kapri Bibbs for Den as a handcuff to Booker/lotto ticket. Its a looong season boys.
Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
TZMarkie
Footballguy
I'm not worried about you, you goose. If I decided to start a newsletter, you would most likely be one of the premiere subscribers. But I am sure that will elicit a floodgate of you spewing your nonsense you have littered this board with.
Why don't you show some class and try shutting your mouth instead, that would be a true shock. You are what is wrong with this board currently, people trying to irritate others and belittle posts, some of which are informative, even if you don't always agree with how they come across.
Anyway, you will be condemned to my mute file. I can learn nothing from you, judging from the few posts of yours I have seen, although you could most assuredly learn something from me. (my earlier suggestions on picking up Booker is one prime example)
But full disclosure to the entire shark pool............
Oddly enough, I also held one Ronnie Hillman last year. I held him until near the bitter end in multiple leagues , knowing the situation was "ripe" and the touches would be there. As we all know, that didn't work out except for a few weeks.
The Broncos backfield has been intriguing since the days of Knowshon and early CJ. (of which I was NOT on board)
Last year I knew what it might be, and I had started getting the backup Hillman in every league, in almost every draft...its not like CJ Anderson has been the bastion of health.
It certainly didn't work out then, though Hillman was just bench fodder. I recognized a few weeks ago Booker was better than that, and recommended getting him everywhere.
I am not gloating, merely saying what I think is a good pickup.
I also believe one Kenneth Farrow is a solid pickup too, but more so the workload is the key there, he isn't the talent that Booker is.
Kudos to all the guys that snagged Booker, even before I mentioned it. I think we are going to enjoy a good run, and hopefully he steers clear of injury.
TZM
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Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
Just so we're clear, you just bumped your own post of Booker possibly being a great pick up this year.
A post you made on September 25th.
Great job. Nobody had any idea. And certainly nobody drafted him the months prior thinking as much. Big props to you and keep the pats on your back coming!
Love,
TMZ
A post you made on September 25th.
Great job. Nobody had any idea. And certainly nobody drafted him the months prior thinking as much. Big props to you and keep the pats on your back coming!
Love,
TMZ
so with the last few posts, I think this is the place where I can get a celebratory cheer for hitting a HR with my zero RB draft class of ware, c-mike, t coleman, and riddick... shoutout to FA stash booker also. 
i could list james white but i ended up cutting him week 3 or 4 (Whoops)
i could list james white but i ended up cutting him week 3 or 4 (Whoops)
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CaptainJT
Footballguy
Hoo ray for iamkoza! How about we pat each other on the back... I drafted Ware, McKinnon, Booker, White, Sims (picked up Jaquizz and traded him for Ajayi to the Doug Martin owner 2 weeks ago). I added Gillislee last week... Now I am on the verge of having one of the strongest RB groups in my league.so with the last few posts, I think this is the place where I can get a celebratory cheer for hitting a HR with my zero RB draft class of ware, c-mike, t coleman, and riddick... shoutout to FA stash booker also.
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shadyridr
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
daylight
Footballguy
Bump with updates in red. Dropped DJ Foster off the list(s) per @JFS171 - also added a "Droppable" list
What possible Season Changing / Champion Maker (Lotto Ticket) RB's are out there on waivers (or possibly a buy low)? RB's who could put up Top 5 RB numbers ROS. We are talking preemptive.
To paraphrase @TZMarkie : "This is for re-draft and we are looking for the ones with the best combination of availability, upside and possibility of a big workload. That combination would likely give the average owner the best chance at hitting the "lottery ticket RB" that could change an owners season."
Potential Season Changers / Champion Makers - Here is my Post-Week-7 list, loosely ranked:
What possible Season Changing / Champion Maker (Lotto Ticket) RB's are out there on waivers (or possibly a buy low)? RB's who could put up Top 5 RB numbers ROS. We are talking preemptive.
To paraphrase @TZMarkie : "This is for re-draft and we are looking for the ones with the best combination of availability, upside and possibility of a big workload. That combination would likely give the average owner the best chance at hitting the "lottery ticket RB" that could change an owners season."
Potential Season Changers / Champion Makers - Here is my Post-Week-7 list, loosely ranked:
- D. Booker DEN - Here's the thread on Booker: Devontae Booker - CJ has a knee issue and may be out multiple weeks, if you don't have him now it is probably Too Late
- D. Williams PIT - did well last year when Bell was out (twice) - Bloom *continues* to advise to hold him at all costs in The Audible
- A. Morris DAL - still looks good on a team that wants to and can run the ball
- B. Powell NYJ - Bloom has recently stated in a pod cast that Powell could be a #1 given the chance - UPDATE: Week of Oct 24th: has turf toe
- D. Henry TEN - another team that wants to run the ball - has looked really good in limited opportunities
- M. Gillislee BUF - another team that wants to run the ball all day - volume play here - UPDATE: Week of Oct 24th: on the injury report
- Mike Davis SF FROM ROTOWORLD: (Oct 17) thanks to @JFS171 : "Mike Davis rushed five times for 13 yards and caught 1-of-3 targets for six yards Week 6 against the Bills. When Carlos Hyde briefly left the game with a shoulder injury, Davis took over instead of Shaun Draughn. Davis out-snapped Draughn 24-to-5 and out-touched him 6-to-1. It is only one game, but it looks like Davis is establishing himself as Hyde's handcuff. " UPDATE: I replaced Draughn with Davis on this list
- Rawls SEA - a ton of potential - OL issues didn't seem to matter last year with his 5+ YPC - nervous owners may have dropped him
- Peyton Barber - Bloom called Peyton Barber a Potential Season Changer in Oct 25 WW Audible and that he thinks J Rodgers cannot hold up on a 25-35 touch per game pace
- Farrow SDC - @JFS171 : "he's a very solidly built dude with some CJ Anderson type of running to his game. Not a speed demon, but he can get what's blocked and has some agility to get some more. I don't know how his hands are, but the situation is very ripe for a late season king maker to emerge. Gordon's getting SO MUCH VOLUME... and volume doesn't always equal injury, but it's more chances to get injured IMO. If Gordon goes down, McCluster isn't taking over the workhorse role. Prime situation for a handcuff IMO." UPDATE: Out of respect for @TZMarkie and @JFS171I am moving him to the Potential list
- Rob Kelley WAS - per @zamboni "(HC) said (Oct 9th) that while Jones is still the guy, Kelley deserves more carries" - is this a changing of the guard situation? How good is WAS OL? - Oct 16: 5-59-0 <-- nice line but Jones also had a nice 16-135-1 line - I thought PHI's defense was good?? UPDATE: this week Gruden is saying Kelley would start if Jones (knee) can't go
- K. Dixon BAL - looks like it's West's show going forward
- Dwayne Washington DET - on a team with a mediocre defense and a tendency to pass anyway, how much production?
- W. Smallwood PHI - 4-6-0 Oct 16 while Matthews went 9-60-0
- Dion Lewis NE - UPDATE: finally practicing this week? May be Too Late soon
- A. Ellington ARZ
- Malcolm Brown STL
- DeAndre Washington OAK - per @need2know "The 3 way split becomes a 4 way when Murray gets back. Horrible situation for fantasy" - used more than Richard Oct 16
- Jalen Richard OAK - thanks to @davearm for this one and per @austinball "Im seeing just as may "experts' whispering that he's the more talented explosive back as DW. Personally I think JR looks speedier" - out used by DeAndre Washington Oct 16
- Paul Perkins NYG - thanks @austinball Can he produce like a Top 5 RB if he gets the chance? UPDATE: Looked good Oct 23, how long can McAdoo stick with Jennings? Bloom said this week he thought Jennings looked "done"
- Hightower - thanks to @Rodrigo Duterte who states "would be an automatic RB2" - I've added him to the Honorables as I don't see him as a Season Changer / Lotto Ticket
- Don Jackson GB - running with the 1's in practice Oct 19th UPDATE: hand not broken - I'm leaving him on this list based on the big unknown alone
- K. Carey CHI - UPDATE: Bloom said this week he doesn't think Carey is very good but there could be volume here
- Lorenzo Taliaferro - per @thehoch and others adding him to the Honorable List but I'm not seeing it
- Kapri Bibbs DEN - adding him per @Buck Bradcanon - now with the news of CJ we need to consider Booker's backup - good call Buck
- Ware KC - He is a "must roster, must hold" for sure now and if available will be a hot WW pickup this week.
- Knile Davis GB - whatever his production, highly likely to be rostered by now and does not qualify as a preemptive
- Jay Ajayi MIA - whatever happens in MIA, highly likely to be rostered by now and does not qualify as a preemptive
- J. Rodgers TBB - was likely taken off waivers after his breakout 30 carry Oct 16 game
- Howard CHI - Apparently was a 2 hit wonder for a desperate Fox
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Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
JFS171
Footballguy
Not yet, IMO... if Langford comes back and forces a 3-way committee, then it's worth considering.
groin pains
Footballguy
If CJ Anderson is in fact done for the year, I will need to pick up a potential RB lotto ticket. I had drafted Booker to back up CJ on draft day. Over the past three weeks I have also picked up Perkins, who I really like down the stretch. Robert Kelley was another one I snagged this week as well as Gillislee last week. If news does in fact come out he is done, I think I will be bidding on Peyton Barber. I just don't think Quizz could handle this workload.
worrierking
Footballguy
I am not dropping him yet, although my expectations going forward are appropriately low. There is still a decent chance he is the best runner of the bunch and the late season schedule is pretty appealing. I am not going anywhere near starting him this week against Minny.
I would rather have Howard than any of the SF backs including Mike Davis, who is listed as a season-changer.
Edit: Obviously I like Hyde better. I was referring to the backups.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
As a Lamar Miller owner I picked up Alfred Blue. Not necessarily my definition of a pure lotto ticket (I always draft for those, and have CMike, Ware, Alfred Morris etc on my roster), but I love Houston's 2nd half schedule, and although not a monster talent he's looked good (except for the fumble). He's also had big games in the past and the O-line, especially up the middle and to the left side, is starting to run block much, much better than earlier in the year. I thought he looked as good as Miller Monday night. If Miller's shoulder is an issue or he gets dinged due to wear and tear Blue could be gold down the stretch. Grimes still out for awhile. Longshot, but he's worth considering to stash.
stuckinthemuck
Footballguy
If Forte and Bilal Powell remain hurt, Troymaine Pope may get a start or two for the Jets later this year. He sparkled with the Seahawks in the preseason, then got cut because Alex Collins...um...I guess they are wedded to their fifth round draft picks. The likelihood of this lottery ticket cashing in is remote, but for those of you with roster sizes >25 Pope is worth a pickup. He has as much a chance as Malcolm Brown and Don Jackson to graduate from the Honorable Mention list to the PSC/CM list.
Also, one more huge THANKS to daylight for creating and updating this invaluable thread.
Also, one more huge THANKS to daylight for creating and updating this invaluable thread.
daylight
Footballguy
groin pains
Footballguy
Now to drop CJ and hope I can hit on one of these RB lotto tickets still floating on my WW.
JFS171
Footballguy
Jets also have Brandon Wilds on the practice squad. Dude looked really good this preseason in ATL...
daylight
Footballguy
Bump with this week's updates in red. Moved Booker to the Too Late list. Moved Peyton Barber to the top as Bloom said in the Oct 25 The Couch that he believes this year's "out of nowhere" RB Lottery ticket is Peyton Barber. Also moved D Henry up as Bloom's guest Mike Tagliere said his favorite Lotto Ticket is Henry if anything happens to D Murry. Also moved Powell to the bottom of the Potential's list b/c his turf toe, resurgence of Forte and NYJ is a mess.
EDIT: moved Dion Lewis to the top of the Potentials and Mike Davis from Potentials to Honorables based on recent comments by @JFS171
What possible Season Changing / Champion Maker (Lotto Ticket) RB's are out there on waivers (or possibly a buy low)? RB's who could put up Top 5 RB numbers ROS. We are talking preemptive.
To paraphrase @TZMarkie : "This is for re-draft and we are looking for the ones with the best combination of availability, upside and possibility of a big workload. That combination would likely give the average owner the best chance at hitting the "lottery ticket RB" that could change an owners season."
Potential Season Changers / Champion Makers - Here is my Post-Week-7 list, loosely ranked:
EDIT: moved Dion Lewis to the top of the Potentials and Mike Davis from Potentials to Honorables based on recent comments by @JFS171
What possible Season Changing / Champion Maker (Lotto Ticket) RB's are out there on waivers (or possibly a buy low)? RB's who could put up Top 5 RB numbers ROS. We are talking preemptive.
To paraphrase @TZMarkie : "This is for re-draft and we are looking for the ones with the best combination of availability, upside and possibility of a big workload. That combination would likely give the average owner the best chance at hitting the "lottery ticket RB" that could change an owners season."
Potential Season Changers / Champion Makers - Here is my Post-Week-7 list, loosely ranked:
- Dion Lewis NE - UPDATE: finally practicing this week? May be Too Late soon
- Peyton Barber - Bloom called Peyton Barber a Potential Season Changer in Oct 25 WW Audible and that he thinks J Rodgers cannot hold up on a 25-35 touch per game pace
- D. Henry TEN - another team that wants to run the ball - has looked really good in limited opportunities
- D. Williams PIT - did well last year when Bell was out (twice) - Bloom *continues* to advise to hold him at all costs in The Audible
- A. Morris DAL - still looks good on a team that wants to and can run the ball
- M. Gillislee BUF - another team that wants to run the ball all day - volume play here - UPDATE: Week of Oct 24th: on the injury report
- Rawls SEA - a ton of potential - OL issues didn't seem to matter last year with his 5+ YPC - nervous owners may have dropped him
- Farrow SDC - @JFS171 : "he's a very solidly built dude with some CJ Anderson type of running to his game. Not a speed demon, but he can get what's blocked and has some agility to get some more. I don't know how his hands are, but the situation is very ripe for a late season king maker to emerge. Gordon's getting SO MUCH VOLUME... and volume doesn't always equal injury, but it's more chances to get injured IMO. If Gordon goes down, McCluster isn't taking over the workhorse role. Prime situation for a handcuff IMO." UPDATE: Out of respect for @TZMarkie and @JFS171I am moving him to the Potential list
- B. Powell NYJ - Bloom has recently stated in a pod cast that Powell could be a #1 given the chance - UPDATE: Week of Oct 24th: has turf toe
- Rob Kelley WAS - per @zamboni "(HC) said (Oct 9th) that while Jones is still the guy, Kelley deserves more carries" - is this a changing of the guard situation? How good is WAS OL? - Oct 16: 5-59-0 <-- nice line but Jones also had a nice 16-135-1 line - I thought PHI's defense was good?? UPDATE: this week Gruden is saying Kelley would start if Jones (knee) can't go
- K. Dixon BAL - looks like it's West's show going forward
- Dwayne Washington DET - on a team with a mediocre defense and a tendency to pass anyway, how much production?
- W. Smallwood PHI - 4-6-0 Oct 16 while Matthews went 9-60-0
- A. Ellington ARZ
- Malcolm Brown STL
- DeAndre Washington OAK - per @need2know "The 3 way split becomes a 4 way when Murray gets back. Horrible situation for fantasy" - used more than Richard Oct 16
- Jalen Richard OAK - thanks to @davearm for this one and per @austinball "Im seeing just as may "experts' whispering that he's the more talented explosive back as DW. Personally I think JR looks speedier" - out used by DeAndre Washington Oct 16
- Paul Perkins NYG - thanks @austinball Can he produce like a Top 5 RB if he gets the chance? UPDATE: Looked good Oct 23, how long can McAdoo stick with Jennings? Bloom said this week he thought Jennings looked "done"
- Hightower - thanks to @Rodrigo Duterte who states "would be an automatic RB2" - I've added him to the Honorables as I don't see him as a Season Changer / Lotto Ticket
- Don Jackson GB - running with the 1's in practice Oct 19th UPDATE: hand not broken - I'm leaving him on this list based on the big unknown alone
- K. Carey CHI - UPDATE: Bloom said this week he doesn't think Carey is very good but there could be volume here
- Lorenzo Taliaferro - per @thehoch and others adding him to the Honorable List but I'm not seeing it
- Kapri Bibbs DEN - adding him per @Buck Bradcanon - now with the news of CJ we need to consider Booker's backup - good call Buck
- Mike Davis SF FROM ROTOWORLD: (Oct 17) thanks to @JFS171 : "Mike Davis rushed five times for 13 yards and caught 1-of-3 targets for six yards Week 6 against the Bills. When Carlos Hyde briefly left the game with a shoulder injury, Davis took over instead of Shaun Draughn. Davis out-snapped Draughn 24-to-5 and out-touched him 6-to-1. It is only one game, but it looks like Davis is establishing himself as Hyde's handcuff. " UPDATE: I replaced Draughn with Davis on this list
- C. West KC - per @mnmplayer - with the news about Charles not looking good ROS
- D. Booker DEN - Here's the thread on Booker: Devontae Booker - CJ has a knee issue and may be out multiple weeks, if you don't have him now it is probably Too Late
- Ware KC - He is a "must roster, must hold" for sure now and if available will be a hot WW pickup this week.
- Knile Davis GB - whatever his production, highly likely to be rostered by now and does not qualify as a preemptive
- Jay Ajayi MIA - whatever happens in MIA, highly likely to be rostered by now and does not qualify as a preemptive
- J. Rodgers TBB - was likely taken off waivers after his breakout 30 carry Oct 16 game
- Howard CHI - Apparently was a 2 hit wonder for a desperate Fox
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daylight
Footballguy
Of course. What Bloom was saying that Barber is his #1 candidate for this year's "out of nowhere" RB Lottery Ticket if he gets a chance to start.
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daylight
Footballguy
JFS171
Footballguy
Mike Davis doesn't belong in the season-changers... I said he was Hyde's primary handcuff over Draughn. It looks like that was accurate, at least to start. But Chip (probably rightfully) went with a hot hand approach and Davis didn't establish that. Could he? I guess it's possible, but that's a dice roll every week -- and ONLY in the event Hyde isn't in the picture. Hyde may well return from their bye like nothing happened. He was already out of the sling last week. I think Davis could be a guy in time (like 2-3 years), but he's not someone I'd be targeting this year... and I don't think he's a king maker.
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JFS171
Footballguy
Also, I'll say it again, Dion Lewis absolutely belongs at the top of the list if he's available anywhere. Just pop over to his thread and look at some of his highlights from last year. Lewis is the guy that gives the Patriots the most 'multiple' look they can have, and we know how much that offense thrives on being able to run or pass out of any formation. Lewis combines nearly the same effectiveness between the tackles as Blount with a more effective passing down game than White. I don't expect him to take the field till week 11, and he may be eased in from there... but at this point in the year we're looking to make our teams as strong as possible for weeks 13-16... and I think Lewis can be a huge piece of that. Not counting the game he got hurt, Lewis averaged 94.8 total yards per game with 5.3 receptions per game and 4 TDs in 6 weeks. That's a stud player... and he sat out long stretches of a few of those games because the Pats were just decimating the opposition.
Skoo
Footballguy
Been thinking about snagging Perkins in my rookie keeper league, got any inside Giants fan info you wanna give us?
I know that Jennings is....Jennings, but for the last few years they seem perfectly happy to play RB roulette all year.
groin pains
Footballguy
No inside info other than Mac saying there will be some changes coming out of the bye week. Perkins, I believe, is there best hope at fixing the running game. His pass protection is a little less desirable.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
I'll admit, I've watched zero Giants games, but is this the same knock to his pass protection from the pre-season? Has it shown during games or has he improved in pass-pro over the course of the season (in his limited play time)?
groin pains
Footballguy
He really has not had the snaps to gauge if he in fact has improved. What I can tell you is Jennings is NOT the answer. Perkins has looked good with his limited touches. I would hope he has improved since preseason. If you have the room, I would roster him and see what news comes out of practice next week.
