2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (1 Viewer)

[msudaisy26]

Let's play this game for a minute. 

Assume Paul is out for the rest of the playoffs and the Rockets beat the Warriors. Does this make the team coming out of the East the favorite or at worst a coin flip?

 

[tjnc09]

Let's play this game for a minute. 

Assume Paul is out for the rest of the playoffs and the Rockets beat the Warriors. Does this make the team coming out of the East the favorite or at worst a coin flip?

Rockets would still be a favorite

 

[thecatch]

Top of the draft is really interesting this year. Ayton seems like a lock to the Suns but who knows what will happen after that. Kings and Hawks aren’t exceptionally high on Doncic. Maybe another team trades up to get him? Hawks apparently like Jackson at 3. Porter’s back is a big question mark. Will teams think Bagley’s success in college will translate? In the past a big man like Bamba would certainly go very early but with so many teams playing small, who knows. Young’s NBA success could range from Stephen Curry’s to Jimmer Fredette’s.

I’m having trouble believing the Doncic stuff isn’t a smoke screen but who knows. 

 

[Juxtatarot]

I’m having trouble believing the Doncic stuff isn’t a smoke screen but who knows. 

Smoke screen how?

 

[thecatch]

Smoke screen how?

I don’t know. Maybe the Kings are trying to downplay their interest so Phoenix doesn’t try to extort them for a trade up or something. It’s hard to find a draft evaluator who doesn’t have Doncic as a clear #2 overall (or 1).  If Vlade and Peja really pass on him that’d be a huge red flag for me. 

 

[Charlie Harper]

It is an issue in the playoffs because your weakest defender gets bum hunted every single play.  That marginal difference of the "5th ranked" players can easily offset the marginal difference of everyone else on the floor.  

They're not mutually exclusive.

People can acknowledge that Iggy is important to the Dubs success AND can feel that the Dubs still have enough talent to beat the Rockets (even minus Iggy and Houston + CP3).

You keep pointing out how important Iggy is....but if 2 former MVPs and 2 All-Stars can't beat out this years MVP+ CP3 flanked by Gordon and PJ Tucker!!!....that's a major upset and under achievement. The Dubs "dynasty" will forever be a laughter (Kyrie/Love injured, 3-1, adding KD, losing to a team with lesser talent), but that shouldn't surprise me as long time Dubs fan (why can't we have nice things?)!!

As you can see I'm preparing for the worst....

 

[Juxtatarot]

I don’t know. Maybe the Kings are trying to downplay their interest so Phoenix doesn’t try to extort them for a trade up or something. It’s hard to find a draft evaluator who doesn’t have Doncic as a clear #2 overall (or 1).  If Vlade and Peja really pass on him that’d be a huge red flag for me. 

If they don’t pick Doncic then who? Bagley?

 

[modogg]

I don’t know. Maybe the Kings are trying to downplay their interest so Phoenix doesn’t try to extort them for a trade up or something. It’s hard to find a draft evaluator who doesn’t have Doncic as a clear #2 overall (or 1).  If Vlade and Peja really pass on him that’d be a huge red flag for me. 

pre-draft information from teams is almost always the worst stuff out there. Some teams are fine telling their business, but most would rather remain coy and try to get an advantage if they can (like Hinkie trading Elfrid to Magic for Dario and an additional pick. not sure how the 6ers knew the Magic were so high on Elfrid, but they played that one well).

ETA: also remember back to the draft where the Sixers got Okafor at 3. I think DeAngelo went 2nd to the Lakers. And there was all this talk at how great Okafor was from most of the media, when you would hear some minor rumblings about how his game wouldn't convert to the NBA. i think people are so scared to be wrong

 

[ghostguy123]

Never said anything about status of a foul. I said he flopped. Dude acted like he got hit by a Mack truck by a dude 70 pounds lighter.

Well in case you havent noticed the officiating, flopping draws a call about 50% more often than not flopping.

 

[thecatch]

If they don’t pick Doncic then who? Bagley?

There’s been a little Michael Porter buzz but otherwise I haven’t seen much about the Doncic alternatives (another reason I’m a little skeptical about him not being the guy there). 

 

[Chaos Commish]

 

[Britney Spears]

Kevin Love is shooting 37% from the field and 27% from 3 in this series. Not sure it's the end of the world that he isn't there for game 7.

I think the loss is that Love is capable of getting hot. LeBron needs as many chances to get a teammate going as possible. 

 

[tjnc09]

They're not mutually exclusive.

People can acknowledge that Iggy is important to the Dubs success AND can feel that the Dubs still have enough talent to beat the Rockets (even minus Iggy and Houston + CP3).

You keep pointing out how important Iggy is....but if 2 former MVPs and 2 All-Stars can't beat out this years MVP+ CP3 flanked by Gordon and PJ Tucker!!!....that's a major upset and under achievement. The Dubs "dynasty" will forever be a laughter (Kyrie/Love injured, 3-1, adding KD, losing to a team with lesser talent), but that shouldn't surprise me as long time Dubs fan (why can't we have nice things?)!!

As you can see I'm preparing for the worst....

Regular season accolades are stupid.  I said this was going to be an incredible series.  Apparently I am the only one who understands how good this Rocket team is especially because they were specifically constructed to beat the Warriors.

 

[tjnc09]

Eric Gordon 3/3 8pts early.  It's too bad he is such a drop off from Paul.

 

[Charlie Harper]

Regular season accolades are stupid.  I said this was going to be an incredible series.  Apparently I am the only one who understands how good this Rocket team is especially because they were specifically constructed to beat the Warriors.

Yep. You're the only one.

Again...the Rockets are the best team the Warriors have faced...the Dubs still have more talent.

 

[Dez]

Houston 7/11 from 3 and lead without Paul 33-19 at GS................WOW

 

[GOB]

Warriors, wait

 

[Rodrigo Duterte]

lmfao @ that last foul

 

[msudaisy26]

Warriors, wait

Wait, I thought the Rockets had no chance in this series?

 

[Chaos Commish]

 

[Frostillicus]

Well this is interesting.

 

[Dedfin]

the night is young

 

[Ghost Rider]

I will admit it. I was dead wrong about this series. GS might still win it, but I didn't give the Rockets much of a shot. They have impressed me. 

 

[msudaisy26]

I will admit it. I was dead wrong about this series. GS might still win it, but I didn't give the Rockets much of a shot. They have impressed me. 

Welcome to the party, you are more than fashionably late though. They just made last call.

 

[Dedfin]

If my old HS football coach saw Curry playing with this mouthpiece like this, he'd probably want to grab it and throw it as far as he could.

 

[Britney Spears]

I can’t ever remember Livingston making a bad play. 

 

[msudaisy26]

If my old HS football coach saw Curry playing with this mouthpiece like this, he'd probably want to grab it and throw it as far as he could.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

This 3 point foul thing is getting out of hand.

 

[encaitar]

This 3 point foul thing is getting out of hand.

It was a foul.  He undercut his legs.  Not sure what you're complaining about.  Ref should've T'd him up for his outburst too.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

It was a foul.  He undercut his legs.  Not sure what you're complaining about.  Ref should've T'd him up for his outburst too.

I mean the fact it's happened 3-4 four times in less than a half.

 

[Frostillicus]

Eric Gordon 3/3 8pts early.  It's too bad he is such a drop off from Paul.

Did anyone say this?

 

[encaitar]

I mean the fact it's happened 3-4 four times in less than a half.

It's been a point of emphasis all year, but yeah that call on Nick Young was questionable IMO.  They called like 4 of them in last night's game too.

 

[Britney Spears]

Did anyone say this?

Nope. 

 

[Charlie Harper]

Ugh.....

 

[msudaisy26]

How weird is it to say that Durant is the reason they are behind in this game right now. 

 

[Charlie Harper]

Warriors playing tight as hell....hopefully halftime gets them to relax and for Eric ####### Gordon to cool off.

 

[tjnc09]

Haralabos Voulgaris‏Verified account @haralabob

One thing this series is illustrating - no matter how good players 1-4 are, its really tough to have a good NBA offense vs a smart NBA defense when your #5 players is a complete Zero on O.

Defenses had to at least respect Iguodala (plus the exceptional defense he brings)

Houston is not even guarding Looney, Bell, West on defense.  

Kerr needs to play Livingston over any of these other scrubs

 

[tjnc09]

How weird is it to say that Durant is the reason they are behind in this game right now. 

What are you talking about?  They are playing 4-on-5, sometimes 3-on-5 on offense

 

[msudaisy26]

Haralabos Voulgaris‏Verified account @haralabob

One thing this series is illustrating - no matter how good players 1-4 are, its really tough to have a good NBA offense vs a smart NBA defense when your #5 players is a complete Zero on O.

Defenses had to at least respect Iguodala (plus the exceptional defense he brings)

Houston is not even guarding Looney, Bell, West on defense.  

Kerr needs to play Livingston over any of these other scrubs

You can make a case it is 3.5, because they would gladly let Draymond take anything 15 feet and out all day.

 

[msudaisy26]

What are you talking about?  They are playing 4-on-5, sometimes 3-on-5 on offense

He is missing a lot of shots he normally makes. If he makes them as usual this game is probably tied or close to it.

 

[Frostillicus]

So it's a valid excuse that the Warriors are without Iguodala, but not a valid excuse that the Rockets are without Chris Paul?

 

[Charlie Harper]

So it's a valid excuse that the Warriors are without Iguodala, but not a valid excuse that the Rockets are without Chris Paul?

I don't think anyone has said this? But you never know....

 

[Alex P Keaton]

So it's a valid excuse that the Warriors are without Iguodala, but not a valid excuse that the Rockets are without Chris Paul?

What are you talking about?

 

[Frostillicus]

What are you talking about?

Seems to tjnc's stance, unless i'm misreading something.

 

[Rodrigo Duterte]

Did anyone see how emphatic Barkley was about Houston not having any chance at winning ONE game in this series?  It was after the first game.  So great. 

I haven't watched any of the post games after that.  Have they brought it up yet??

 

[msudaisy26]

Klay needs to shoot more, wasn't he the one that started the comeback against the Thunder a couple years ago? I think the Warriors were down like 10+ , in game 5 or 6 and he went off.

 

[sports_fan]

you guys watching the game?

 

[bigbottom]

If anyone even touches Durant, it’s a foul. 

 

[Frostillicus]

man i really dislike Curry

 

[Frostillicus]

man i really dislike Curry

So glad the Wolves didn't draft him.