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2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (3 Viewers)

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Be nice he is trying to look at the positives. His team just had to give away the 2nd overall pick from a couple of years ago because their GM went on a spending spree like a drunk college boy that loves Star Wars the 1st time he logged into in Ebay. 
it really seemed to me like a situation where the national media wasn't talking about the Lakers, and he felt a move was needed for the sake of getting the national heads to discuss them more. Was real weird, and not sure why they had to make that trade yesterday

 
Be nice he is trying to look at the positives. His team just had to give away the 2nd overall pick from a couple of years ago because their GM went on a spending spree like a drunk college boy that loves Star Wars the 1st time he logged into in Ebay. 
@tommyGunZ and I are both Laker homers (and used to be Charger homers too). We just practice good natured tough love with each other from time to time. He's the eternal optimist, I'm the eternal pessimist. The truth lies somewhere between us.

 
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Cleveland Cavs players upset over GM firing now telling Jimmy Butler to stay away from trying to come to Cleveland -
According to a Cleveland source close to the situation, several of the Cavaliers who had been prodding Butler to push for a trade from the Bulls the last five days were now warning him to stay away from a suddenly volatile situation.
With the ouster of Cavaliers general manager David Griffin on Monday, LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love could be headed for an unforeseen early breakup.
With Cleveland off the radar, there are no other places that Butler wants to be moved to, including Boston.
Source: Joe Cowley
Read More: http://chicago.suntimes.com/…/sources-out-of-cleveland-say…/


 
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Cavs are falling apart. Kyrie has let it be known in back channels he'd like to go to Chicago and play with Butler. Both players have befriended each other. I guess Kyrie has a new best friend now LeBron. Boy is LeBron gonna bail on Cleveland yet again. 

Chicago Bulls Jimmy Butler has been actively communicating with Kyle Lowry and Kyrie Irving about joining the Bulls:
That’s where Kyle Lowry and Kyrie Irving come in.
Butler has befriended both players over the years, at All-Star Games as well as with Team USA, and has actively been selling the idea of joining him in Chicago.
Lowry would be the more realistic get, especially since he opted out with Toronto and will explore the free agent market. The fact that Lowry is also coming off a season in which he shot 41 percent from three-point range doesn’t hurt.
But would the 31-year-old really be willing to possibly leave at least $6 million a year on the table to join a Bulls roster with its own question marks?
As far as Irving, through back channels he has made it known that Chicago would be a place he would be interested to play, especially if the Cavaliers dynasty begins falling apart should LeBron James start shopping elsewhere.
Read More: http://chicago.suntimes.com/…/bulls-asking-price-on-jimmy-

 
I wouldn't say teams would trade their left nut for their situation because there's still plenty of questions and it could crumple down at anytime. Still it's better then a lot of teams. Just a ton of question marks. 
That is true, but look at other teams, like my Pistons. They are questions every where, but they are stuck because of the contracts. Even if everything blows up in Phillys face at least the can trade with teams to take on salaries and get assets for doing so. 

 
it really seemed to me like a situation where the national media wasn't talking about the Lakers, and he felt a move was needed for the sake of getting the national heads to discuss them more. Was real weird, and not sure why they had to make that trade yesterday
With a day's hindsight, I think they ran Russell up the flag poll and that's the best salute they got. He wasn't fitting in with the rest of the team - position wise and culture wise. He's had 2 years to light the world on fire and hasn't. They need out of the Mozgov and Deng contracts pronto. As bad as it feels, this trade was probably a true indication of Russell's current worth in the league right now.

They may have sold early, he may become something, but they weren't interested in waiting around for it and want to clear the runways to try and land some high priced stars who will soon be on the wrong side of their peak year to try and compete into the teeth of the Warriors juggernaut. Not the plan I would have gone with, but it sounds like Russell wore out his welcome and they've determined that his value only goes down from here.

 
That is true, but look at other teams, like my Pistons. They are questions every where, but they are stuck because of the contracts. Even if everything blows up in Phillys face at least the can trade with teams to take on salaries and get assets for doing so. 
Yeah but how many times do you want to keep trading assets? Philly is a town that will get really impatient and the fact many Sixers fans have waited this long is actually surprising. There were more then a few fans jumping off the Hinkie bandwagon before he stepped down as well. If the Sixers don't at least compete for a playoff position this coming year that impatience is gonna increase even more. I get the Sixers position and I've said I don't agree with how they do it but I just don't think they are a fairly run org. I don't trust the owner in anyway shape or form. Following hockey Harris who also owns the NJ Devils has completely destroyed that franchise. What makes 76ers fans feel like that won't happen to them with him in charge? 

 
With a day's hindsight, I think they ran Russell up the flag poll and that's the best salute they got. He wasn't fitting in with the rest of the team - position wise and culture wise. He's had 2 years to light the world on fire and hasn't. They need out of the Mozgov and Deng contracts pronto. As bad as it feels, this trade was probably a true indication of Russell's current worth in the league right now.

They may have sold early, he may become something, but they weren't interested in waiting around for it and want to clear the runways to try and land some high priced stars who will soon be on the wrong side of their peak year to try and compete into the teeth of the Warriors juggernaut. Not the plan I would have gone with, but it sounds like Russell wore out his welcome and they've determined that his value only goes down from here.
I think Russell still has a shot at being a special player, but the Lakers have now had two years to examine him up close, and obviously were not sold on him unlocking the potential they thought he had when they drafted him. The whispers about his attitude and work ethic likely had a lot to do with Magic being willing to pull the trigger. And while I thought a backcourt of Ball at point and Russell at the 2 could work even if it would have been a defensive nightmare, there had to be some concerns about how DLoading would react when Ball was handed the keys.  

 
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it really seemed to me like a situation where the national media wasn't talking about the Lakers, and he felt a move was needed for the sake of getting the national heads to discuss them more. Was real weird, and not sure why they had to make that trade yesterday
It's simple. Getting rid of Mosgov means the Lakers can now afford two max FA's next summer.  It may be a pipe dream, but LeBron + PG13 is now possible. :shrug:

 
It's simple. Getting rid of Mosgov means the Lakers can now afford two max FA's next summer.  It may be a pipe dream, but LeBron + PG13 is now possible. :shrug:
Jesus tap-dancing christ Jimmy and Mitch torpedoed the team with the Deng and Mozgov deals. I can't believe Jimmy could argue he deserved to keep his position with a straight face after that ####.

 
Jesus tap-dancing christ Jimmy and Mitch torpedoed the team with the Deng and Mozgov deals. I can't believe Jimmy could argue he deserved to keep his position with a straight face after that ####.
Yeah.  I've been a Kupchak supporter over the years, but those two deals last summer were perhaps the biggest waste of cap space in NBA history. Just awful. And not just in hindsight - it didn't make much sense at the time either. 

 
yeah SIxers fans may need to call a meeting soon. We may need to close the bandwagon off, it is getting way out of control. National media, who used to poke and make fun of the Sixers, now all of a sudden are fans. It may get tough...
It's cool. More the merrier. Someone has to beat the Warriors and people are going to root for that team.

 
It's cool. More the merrier. Someone has to beat the Warriors and people are going to root for that team.
yeah, but the other stuff might be a pain. Sixers have sold most season tickets so far for next season:

https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/21/15849580/the-sixers-have-sold-the-most-2017-18-season-tickets-of-any-nba-team

i love getting ready to watch some more wins and not care about losing lottery position, but there was also something nice when i could get a ticket for a couple of bucks a few seasons ago. Reminded me of the days watching the team with "the real Shaq" Charles Shackleford, and good old Spooner

 
Have some of the GM's gone insane? I wouldn't give up a top 5 pick for DeAndre Jordan or Aldridge. What is going on?

 
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Yeah but how many times do you want to keep trading assets? Philly is a town that will get really impatient and the fact many Sixers fans have waited this long is actually surprising. There were more then a few fans jumping off the Hinkie bandwagon before he stepped down as well. If the Sixers don't at least compete for a playoff position this coming year that impatience is gonna increase even more. I get the Sixers position and I've said I don't agree with how they do it but I just don't think they are a fairly run org. I don't trust the owner in anyway shape or form. Following hockey Harris who also owns the NJ Devils has completely destroyed that franchise. What makes 76ers fans feel like that won't happen to them with him in charge? 
I don't trust Harris at all but what other choice did we have. The reason people were so ready to accept Hinkies plan is because we've seen the path we were on. At best we would have been the Atlanta Hawks. At worst, the current Detroit Pistons. Good enough to make the playoffs, never ever in a million years going to win a title. Hinkie provided a way out of purgatory and unlike the other tanking teams, he did it the right way. Everything that has taken place this offseason is because Hinkie gave us enough assets to make it happen.

Anybody can tank and wait for their own high picks to come through. Hinkie tanked, sold off bad assets, took on expiring contracts to get the cap straight, add future first rounders, made deals with teams that had no idea the value of future picks and how a pick swap would work, sold high on his own picks that he could see had no more value (MCW). He made some mistakes but for the most part, he's saved this Franchise.

 
modogg said:
yeah, but the other stuff might be a pain. Sixers have sold most season tickets so far for next season:

https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/21/15849580/the-sixers-have-sold-the-most-2017-18-season-tickets-of-any-nba-team

i love getting ready to watch some more wins and not care about losing lottery position, but there was also something nice when i could get a ticket for a couple of bucks a few seasons ago. Reminded me of the days watching the team with "the real Shaq" Charles Shackleford, and good old Spooner
I bought great seats last time Philly was in the playoffs for like $15 a ticket. It's very weird that there's more interest now than there was in that team that won a playoff series. But, I guess no fan base has been through quite as much the last few years in terms of W/L and I'm glad people are excited for the light at the end of the tunnel. 

 
I bought great seats last time Philly was in the playoffs for like $15 a ticket. It's very weird that there's more interest now than there was in that team that won a playoff series. But, I guess no fan base has been through quite as much the last few years in terms of W/L and I'm glad people are excited for the light at the end of the tunnel. 
yeah you could feel it at some of the games, and their run in January had a rabid fanbase. It's funny cause in Philly most people are Eagles fans. Sixers are most of the time on the back burner, but the people loyal to them are completely loyal. 

 
modogg said:
yeah, but the other stuff might be a pain. Sixers have sold most season tickets so far for next season:

https://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/21/15849580/the-sixers-have-sold-the-most-2017-18-season-tickets-of-any-nba-team

i love getting ready to watch some more wins and not care about losing lottery position, but there was also something nice when i could get a ticket for a couple of bucks a few seasons ago. Reminded me of the days watching the team with "the real Shaq" Charles Shackleford, and good old Spooner
Yeah I loved getting court seats to go watch them play Chicago for dirt cheap. Now I'm gonna have spend half a week's pay check just to get the seats I got this past year most likely. It was the same deal when the Phillies got good too. 

 
Hearing rumblings in the media that the C's are high on Dennis Smith...would be interesting to see if they figure out a way to end up with two top 10 picks...

 
Where are you hearing that.
The Knicks are reportedly seeking a top-four draft pick and a very good young asset in any trade for Kristaps Porzingis.

Adrian Wojnarowski said during a live Facebook chat that the Knicks have initiated talks with other teams, with Phil Jackson as the driving force. It's unclear why Jackson would be willing to part with a 21-year-old franchise cornerstone, who is beloved by the fan base, but this is where we find ourselves. New York's asking price might be too high to get any bites, even if they are willing to deal KP.

 
The Knicks are reportedly seeking a top-four draft pick and a very good young asset in any trade for Kristaps Porzingis.

Adrian Wojnarowski said during a live Facebook chat that the Knicks have initiated talks with other teams, with Phil Jackson as the driving force. It's unclear why Jackson would be willing to part with a 21-year-old franchise cornerstone, who is beloved by the fan base, but this is where we find ourselves. New York's asking price might be too high to get any bites, even if they are willing to deal KP.
If he is looking for that pick this year that means it's the Sixers, Lakers, C's and Suns...all four could probably do that package if they wanted to...

 
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If he is looking for that pick this year that means it's the Sixers, Lakers, C's and Suns...all four could probably do that package if they wanted to...
Sixers won't, I don't think the Lakers give up pick 2 and Randle or Ingram. So thst leaves the Celtics and Sun's. 

 
The Knicks are reportedly seeking a top-four draft pick and a very good young asset in any trade for Kristaps Porzingis.

Adrian Wojnarowski said during a live Facebook chat that the Knicks have initiated talks with other teams, with Phil Jackson as the driving force. It's unclear why Jackson would be willing to part with a 21-year-old franchise cornerstone, who is beloved by the fan base, but this is where we find ourselves. New York's asking price might be too high to get any bites, even if they are willing to deal KP.
Ainge needs to get Phil to bite on IT

 
Ainge needs to get Phil to bite on IT
that would be awesome since they just traded away chance to get best guard in the draft. would actually be interested to see if Stevens could adjust to major changes. that is one thing that can be said for Brett Browne, he has adjusted to tons of different line-ups and got an effort from the team 97% of the time

 
I think trading KP is dumb, but on one of Simmons recent draft pods, his guest mentioned the fact that KP's been banged up since he entered the league, and was injury prone coming in.  I doubt that's why Phil is pulling this silliness, but it would be the perfect cover if the Knicks had come to the conclusion that he'll never be able to stay healthy.  

 
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I don't trust Harris at all but what other choice did we have. The reason people were so ready to accept Hinkies plan is because we've seen the path we were on. At best we would have been the Atlanta Hawks. At worst, the current Detroit Pistons. Good enough to make the playoffs, never ever in a million years going to win a title. Hinkie provided a way out of purgatory and unlike the other tanking teams, he did it the right way. Everything that has taken place this offseason is because Hinkie gave us enough assets to make it happen.

Anybody can tank and wait for their own high picks to come through. Hinkie tanked, sold off bad assets, took on expiring contracts to get the cap straight, add future first rounders, made deals with teams that had no idea the value of future picks and how a pick swap would work, sold high on his own picks that he could see had no more value (MCW). He made some mistakes but for the most part, he's saved this Franchise.
True. I'm going off a business corse I took just for fun where having a successful company at all levels starts with the top and how they run things. I did a major final project of sports franchises and success and failures how some franchises no matter what they do are always bad. It's because of poorly run ownership. Now theres occasions where the org gets lucky and wins but doesn't happen often. Hinkie had to go because it was either Hinkie or Brett Brown. From what I heard relationship wasn't on best of terms. Hinkie traded MCW when Brown wanted to keep him and thought he was getting through to MCW and improving him. Frankly I trust Brett Brown more then I would Hinkie. 

Sure anybody can do what pinkie did. However Hinkie didn't know how to turn those assets into anything other then assets. I've said this the last few days but BC made the trade for #1 that Hinkie wouldn't of. Are the Sixers in better position today then 6 yrs ago? Sure but you still have questions on injuries and if things don't go the way they plan BC isn't a very patient person and tends to make a move just to make one and that's usually bad. I disagree I think anyone could do what Hinkie did and he was lucky he fell into a team like Sac who are run by clowns on that trade. Hinkie did a good job sure. But I was already mapping out what the Sixers needed to do to get better before Hinkie got there and he kind of not exactly did things I would've done. I'm not saying i'm an NBA GM by any means but doing what needed to be done to put the phillies in a better position future wise wasn't rocket science. 

 
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