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2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (1 Viewer)

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TobiasFunke said:
I don't really think the second thing would matter, all the key pieces on that team have been together for years and with Durant for two years. Hard to imagine the wheels coming off in terms of personality conflicts or whatever.  It would just be a question of whether/when the loss due to the inability to make adjustments, design out of TO plays, etc would overwhelm the talent gap.
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I think you are underestimating the amount of psychology that goes into coaching NBA level talent.  Each situation is different, so the job Phil Jackson did in Chicago was different that that job he did in LA, which was different than the job Pop has done in SA, and Kerr in GS.  The myriad of personalities that have to be managed and blended together is a constant finesse, and I don't think that you just do it once, and then it is a cruise control situation.

Sammy3469 said:
I also think Kerr has more than a little institutional knowledge on a bunch of nuanced resting, how much of different sets to run to keep guys healthy, stuff like that, that isn't fully appreciated by the general public (and that goes for most NBA coaches which is why I said that initially) if that make sense.  There's the 3 big buckets in my mind whole X and O issue, managing players emotionally, and managing their overall health.  I frankly don't think a high school coach can do any of those 3 effectively nor the vast majority of college coaches (and frankly I think K,Williams, Self, etc. would have problems as well).  I think it gets overlooked that playoffs are a 2 month slog and you have to get your guys healthy to the end.
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I think you're right on the three different buckets.  I think a capable high school coach would be closest to being able to master the Xs and Os first, but the other two they would be in over their head.

 
Bull Dozier said:
I think you are underestimating the amount of psychology that goes into coaching NBA level talent.  Each situation is different, so the job Phil Jackson did in Chicago was different that that job he did in LA, which was different than the job Pop has done in SA, and Kerr in GS.  The myriad of personalities that have to be managed and blended together is a constant finesse, and I don't think that you just do it once, and then it is a cruise control situation.

I think you're right on the three different buckets.  I think a capable high school coach would be closest to being able to master the Xs and Os first, but the other two they would be in over their head.
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Yeah, I didn't do a good job of presenting the hypo.  I should have made it just for the playoffs, so the roles and personal relationships are already in place. The sub coach would only handle rotations and adjustments and motivational speeches and whatnot.

That said, I think people might be underestimating the talent gap between the Warriors and everyone else.  The Rockets are probably second in the league in pure talent with OKC third, and in a matchup with either of them the Warriors would have the two best players on the floor and four of the top six.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Back in the late 1990s, Nike ran a "Fun Police" ad campaign where Nike NBA players guys like would go around in yellow trench coats and "arrest" pickup game players who didn't pass and refs who called a lot of ticky-tack fouls.  There was one where Garnett, Payton, and Kidd arrested a chucker in his bedroom: Kidd found a basketball in the closet with only one set of fingerprints on it, KG got in the guy's face and yelled "THE GROUND DOESN'T TOUCH THE BALL AS MUCH AS YOU DO!"      
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We all like Mario better when be doesn't pass though, he would be a nice fit as a Piston, but we are paying Blake and Drummond all our money. 

 
saintfool said:
Crap article because there was no mention of Popovich and his affection for the grape....
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well, it was an article on NBA players but even so you apparently skimmed over this part:

Gregg Popovich, it must be said, is revered in the world of wine, with a reported 3,000-bottle cellar highlighted in Wine Spectator. But Pop has a head start on many players who are new to the gilded grape; so who among them now knows the most? 

 
Premier said:
Nobody would give up a top-10 pick for him. He's not that good and who wants that distraction. 
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I think a team desperate for relevancy would, and you'd have to be at this point to take on a player whose dad is such an ### clown that he will always be a distraction.  Magic and the Lakers knew what they were getting into, so I don't feel the least bit bad for them for getting saddled with this headache.  

 
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aside from being 6'8" and without any trace of a conscience, what exactly does JR Smith bring to the table?

he appears to not give a single #### on most defensive possessions and basically just stands at the 3 point line waiting to fire up historically bad shots

 
mr. furley said:
aside from being 6'8" and without any trace of a conscience, what exactly does JR Smith bring to the table?

he appears to not give a single #### on most defensive possessions and basically just stands at the 3 point line waiting to fire up historically bad shots
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He seems to be getting taller, should be a  stretch 5 by next year.

 
mr. furley said:
aside from being 6'8" and without any trace of a conscience, what exactly does JR Smith bring to the table?

he appears to not give a single #### on most defensive possessions and basically just stands at the 3 point line waiting to fire up historically bad shots
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Did you get that from tonight? I thought he played one of his better games and appeared to be engaged on the defensive side also. 

 
mr. furley said:
aside from being 6'8" and without any trace of a conscience, what exactly does JR Smith bring to the table?

he appears to not give a single #### on most defensive possessions and basically just stands at the 3 point line waiting to fire up historically bad shots
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He's kind of like a black Mike Miller.  Including the "connections".

 
I know it's only two games, but I'm pretty impressed with the Cavs trades so far. Wish they could of rid themselves of Tristan Thompson somehow, Nance Jr. is the same type of player only younger and better.  They were unwatchable before.  Read an article about how terrible DWade was in the locker room, which was kind of surprising.

 
"Aldridge will participate in All-Star weekend despite sitting out Monday and Tuesday."

Spurs season in a nutshell right there. Players just continue to show little interest in leaving the bench this season. 3.5 games out of not making the playoffs this season. And given Leonard isn't even traveling with the team on the rodeo road trip, I'm starting to believe he'll end up simply shut down for the season.

 
arctic_panzer_wolf said:
I know it's only two games, but I'm pretty impressed with the Cavs trades so far. Wish they could of rid themselves of Tristan Thompson somehow, Nance Jr. is the same type of player only younger and better.  They were unwatchable before.  Read an article about how terrible DWade was in the locker room, which was kind of surprising.
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i'd be curious to read that article. who wrote it? 

 
The Nuggets are 5-2 since Mason Plumlee went out with his leg injury. I don't think that is a coincidence. That trade and signing continues to be one of the more baffling moves in the NBA in recent years. Hopefully Malone and the Nuggets will learn from this little run and use him strickly as a backup for 15 mpg going forward. 

 
arctic_panzer_wolf said:
I know it's only two games, but I'm pretty impressed with the Cavs trades so far. Wish they could of rid themselves of Tristan Thompson somehow, Nance Jr. is the same type of player only younger and better.  They were unwatchable before.  Read an article about how terrible DWade was in the locker room, which was kind of surprising.
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mr. furley said:
i'd be curious to read that article. who wrote it? 
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Same here.

The Crowder and Thomas stuff has been pretty much out there.  First I've heard of Wade.

 
Kev4029 said:
The Nuggets are 5-2 since Mason Plumlee went out with his leg injury. I don't think that is a coincidence. That trade and signing continues to be one of the more baffling moves in the NBA in recent years. Hopefully Malone and the Nuggets will learn from this little run and use him strickly as a backup for 15 mpg going forward. 
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Jokic looked pretty spry out there last night.

 
You might have a lot on your plate right now, but but I'd put a pin in it to read this game-changing press release from Baron Davis:

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https://twitter.com/YourManDevine/status/963825235043799040

 
I'm excited to explore experiences utilized. In a perfect world one of the utilized experiences explored will be tortured use of language in a clumsy attempt to make yourself sound intelligent. I find that fascinating.

 
arctic_panzer_wolf said:
I know it's only two games, but I'm pretty impressed with the Cavs trades so far. Wish they could of rid themselves of Tristan Thompson somehow, Nance Jr. is the same type of player only younger and better.  They were unwatchable before.  Read an article about how terrible DWade was in the locker room, which was kind of surprising.
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Tremendous trade with LeBron on the roster. Youth and energy + guys that can thrive as secondary players off the ball.

Really great move by their GM. Most would just keep Wade on his name

Wade is done on the court. Was about as obvious as Noah in his final year with bulls.  Just isn't worth the hassle needing maintenance days,  rarely practicing.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Tremendous trade with LeBron on the roster. Youth and energy + guys that can thrive as secondary players off the ball.

Really great move by their GM. Most would just keep Wade on his name

Wade is done on the court. Was about as obvious as Noah in his final year with bulls.  Just isn't worth the hassle needing maintenance days,  rarely practicing.
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Still makes me laugh at how many people said Wade and Rose signings were the bench guys the Cavs needed to beat the Warriors over the summer. 

 
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Gr00vus said:
Jokic looked pretty spry out there last night.
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Helps that he was matched up against noted non-athletes Pau Gasol and Joffrey Lauvergne. He is also sooo much better when he is playing with an active front court that can shoot a little and doesn't clog the lane. Wilson Chandler also played his best game of the season, although the box score doesn't quite reflect that. He was all over the court in the first and fourth quarters. He looked disinterested through the first part of the season but he has been very engaged the last couple games. If he continues to play like he has the last two games, the Nuggets might actually be competitive in the playoffs.

 
Kev4029 said:
Helps that he was matched up against noted non-athletes Pau Gasol and Joffrey Lauvergne. He is also sooo much better when he is playing with an active front court that can shoot a little and doesn't clog the lane. Wilson Chandler also played his best game of the season, although the box score doesn't quite reflect that. He was all over the court in the first and fourth quarters. He looked disinterested through the first part of the season but he has been very engaged the last couple games. If he continues to play like he has the last two games, the Nuggets might actually be competitive in the playoffs.
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I almost didn't recognize him - seriously. I tuned in mid game and was thinking who's this guy, he's really helping out. It wasn't until the announcers said his full name that I clued in.

 
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It was kinda sad to see Gasol playing last night. Maybe it was just an off game, but it really looks like he's hung on a bit too long.

 
msudaisy26 said:
Still makes me laugh at how many people said Wade and Rose signings were the bench guys the Cavs needed to beat the Warriors over the summer. 
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If anybody said that, they had no idea what they were talking about. I don't either are phsyically done as NBA players and could still be useful in a 4th guard/shot creation role, but both see themselves as the players they used to be. Same thing that drove somebody like Iverson out of the league. That type of self reflection makes somebody like Vince Carter so unique to me.

 
Gr00vus said:
I'm excited to explore experiences utilized. In a perfect world one of the utilized experiences explored will be tortured use of language in a clumsy attempt to make yourself sound intelligent. I find that fascinating.
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Lemme know if want lessons in the tortured use of language in a clumsy attempt to make yourself sound intelligent.  It's my specialty.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Lemme know if want lessons in the tortured use of language in a clumsy attempt to make yourself sound intelligent.  It's my specialty.
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Actually, you're a poster I enjoy reading because you use language well and are concise even when tackling subjects that require lengthy posts.

 
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Predictions on who misses the playoffs in the West? I think the Jazz will replace the Pelicans, other than that it stays where it is now. Clippers and Pelicans just miss. Here is my guess. 

1 Warriors - Trailblazers

4 Timberwolves - Thunder

3 Spurs - Nuggets

2 Rockets - Jazz

 
Gr00vus said:
I almost didn't recognize him - seriously. I tuned in mid game and was thinking who's this guy, he's really helping out. It wasn't until the announcers said his full name that I clued in.
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He has been a vastly different player the last couple games. I've been wondering all year if his hip injury from a couple seasons ago or something has been slowing him down. He has looked five years older all season; slow to rotate defensively, hot attacking closeouts, totally indifferent on the glass. The last two games he has been nearly overly aggressive with the ball and has been defending like I haven't seen since the Nuggets were good 4 or 5 years ago (I choose to forget how long they've been bad).

 
Kev4029 said:
He has been a vastly different player the last couple games. I've been wondering all year if his hip injury from a couple seasons ago or something has been slowing him down. He has looked five years older all season; slow to rotate defensively, hot attacking closeouts, totally indifferent on the glass. The last two games he has been nearly overly aggressive with the ball and has been defending like I haven't seen since the Nuggets were good 4 or 5 years ago (I choose to forget how long they've been bad).
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In my mind, that 2010 Lakers championship was like just a year or so ago.

 
Moe. said:
Predictions on who misses the playoffs in the West? I think the Jazz will replace the Pelicans, other than that it stays where it is now. Clippers and Pelicans just miss. Here is my guess. 

1 Warriors - Trailblazers

4 Timberwolves - Thunder

3 Spurs - Nuggets

2 Rockets - Jazz
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Those are the eight teams that 538 is projecting. Their order is Hou, GSW, Min, SAS, Utah, OKC, Den, Por. I'm just hoping Denver doesn't draw Houston or Golden State. I don't think there is a significant difference in ability between the 3 through 8 seeds right now.

 
Gr00vus said:
TobiasFunke said:
Lemme know if want lessons in the tortured use of language in a clumsy attempt to make yourself sound intelligent.  It's my specialty.
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Actually, you're a poster I enjoy reading because you use language well and are concise even when tackling subjects that require lengthy posts.
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what is something no one ever said about the old swcer for six hondo alex take that to the bank brohans 

 
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