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2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (6 Viewers)

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Wu-banger said:
Have to disagree on this one..... it is obvious , even more so in the Playoffs, that he is not a very capable in-game Coach. His adjustments are late and , crunch time execution is laughable. They continued to blow 20 point leads all year long, including a critical Playoff lose. Things like having Marco Bellinelli setting a down screen for Embiid or having JJ Redick initiate plays in huge possessions are inexcusable. I like his personality but he would be better suited for a Veteran team like he was with in San Antonio.
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I'm not saying that these criticisms are unfair and don't bear watching as we go forward.  I just think that he has shown a ton in terms of being the team's steward and been the constant in building to where they are now.  I am going to give him more chances to show he can't do it in the playoffs than the first go-round with a team helmed by highly-inexperienced players.  The 20 point leads blown throughout the year are way more on the youth of the team then Brown, so I am not going to let a few in-game tactical errors outweigh all the good.

 
Wu-banger said:
Have to disagree on this one..... it is obvious , even more so in the Playoffs, that he is not a very capable in-game Coach. His adjustments are late and , crunch time execution is laughable. They continued to blow 20 point leads all year long, including a critical Playoff lose. Things like having Marco Bellinelli setting a down screen for Embiid or having JJ Redick initiate plays in huge possessions are inexcusable. I like his personality but he would be better suited for a Veteran team like he was with in San Antonio.
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so Ty Lue is a better coach then Stevens? he made errors but this was also his first playoffs and first successful NBA year, with a bunch of young players. I think the answer with Brown is jury is still out. I think Stevens got swept his first 2 years making the playoffs, so I am fine giving Brett a few more years to see if he can show that he has learned (and by all accounts he has shown that with corrections in the regular season and giving McConnell more minutes in the Boston series).

and with things like this, I think you always need ask who would you put in his place? I don't see any available coach who seems like an obvious choice

 
Long Ball Larry said:
I'm not saying that these criticisms are unfair and don't bear watching as we go forward.  I just think that he has shown a ton in terms of being the team's steward and been the constant in building to where they are now.  I am going to give him more chances to show he can't do it in the playoffs than the first go-round with a team helmed by highly-inexperienced players.  The 20 point leads blown throughout the year are way more on the youth of the team then Brown, so I am not going to let a few in-game tactical errors outweigh all the good.
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I do applaud Brown for handling the rebuild , takes a lot of focus to maintain the positive attitude he has had in taking over a team who is trying to lose. I like Brown , been to 76ers practices ........ Problem is , he showed that he is not a Coach that is capable of handling young players during the game in crunch time or handling runs. We all know they are young , and should of been constantly guided and put in positions for success, which I do not feel Brown did.  Lloyd Pierce was often the man in charge of the huddle, which is odd for an assistant.   I'm also not a fan of how he handled Fultz in the Playoffs either. he had a horrible 4 minutes versus Miami , but there were many opportunities to get him back on the court to have him prove himself , gluing him to the bench does nothing to help him or the 76ers long term.

 
Wu-banger said:
I do applaud Brown for handling the rebuild , takes a lot of focus to maintain the positive attitude he has had in taking over a team who is trying to lose. I like Brown , been to 76ers practices ........ Problem is , he showed that he is not a Coach that is capable of handling young players during the game in crunch time or handling runs. We all know they are young , and should of been constantly guided and put in positions for success, which I do not feel Brown did.  Lloyd Pierce was often the man in charge of the huddle, which is odd for an assistant.   I'm also not a fan of how he handled Fultz in the Playoffs either. he had a horrible 4 minutes versus Miami , but there were many opportunities to get him back on the court to have him prove himself , gluing him to the bench does nothing to help him or the 76ers long term.
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the Lloyd Pierce piece is interesting, and I am hoping it doesn't have a big effect on the 6ers. But your first part is a little off. Sixers were God awful in the 1st quarter of the season in holding leads. They blew big leads in the 4th quarter all the time. Brett was able to get a hold on that and turned it around by mid-season.

 
modogg said:
so Ty Lue is a better coach then Stevens? he made errors but this was also his first playoffs and first successful NBA year, with a bunch of young players. I think the answer with Brown is jury is still out. I think Stevens got swept his first 2 years making the playoffs, so I am fine giving Brett a few more years to see if he can show that he has learned (and by all accounts he has shown that with corrections in the regular season and giving McConnell more minutes in the Boston series).

and with things like this, I think you always need ask who would you put in his place? I don't see any available coach who seems like an obvious choice
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The Lue / Stevens scenario is not relevant.

I saw enough of Brown to know that the adjustments and errors he made are not about an inexperienced coach learning and growing with his team. He made fundamental coaching and personal mistakes constantly. He is not a young Coach , at almost 60 , so he is who he is. He sat on the bench of an ultra talented and veteran team as an Assistant , which most likely is his best role as he has a good rapport with the players. 

 
modogg said:
the Lloyd Pierce piece is interesting, and I am hoping it doesn't have a big effect on the 6ers. But your first part is a little off. Sixers were God awful in the 1st quarter of the season in holding leads. They blew big leads in the 4th quarter all the time. Brett was able to get a hold on that and turned it around by mid-season.
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The holding leads was more about the players , especially Rookie PG , getting more comfortable than Brown doing anything to adjust

 
https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/8n5zgp/eric_jr_jerry_not_bryan/

Eric Jr = Jerry, not Bryan (self.sixers)

submitted 11 hours ago by howardedwin

Reasons why:

Calls himself an "old man" in a lot of his twitter posts

Mentions Jesus / god a ton. From his wiki: "Colangelo has spoken about his faith saying, "The first priority in life is to have that relationship with Jesus Christ. So your faith is number one. ... God [has] a plan for my life."

When all the other burner accounts went private, Eric Jr's did not. Guessing the others were truly Bryan's, but Eric Jr. was Jerry.

From the Ringer: "One of the few non-basketball accounts followed by Eric jr is an Arizona man named Lawrence “LB” Bain. Bain’s Twitter bio lists his location as Paradise Valley, a small town in Maricopa County, Arizona, that is five miles from the address of JDM Partners LLC, a financial company where Jerry Colangelo is a partner." It's much more likely that Jerry would follow this man, not Bryan...

Also from the Ringer: "Eric jr went on the attack. “I sat NEXT to you and [Dwyane Wade] at Beijing Olympics and saw you both being rude nasty to little kid fan,” the account said. “Had to eat yr pizza. … You showed no respect to this little kid, who are you to stand on high grounds? Never looked at DW the same after that.” During the 2008 Olympics, Jerry Colangelo, then the managing director of the U.S. men’s national basketball team, was in Beijing." JERRY was there, not Bryan. It's much more likely he was sitting next to Dwayne Wade as the managing director of the Olympic team.

All the other connections (e.g. watching his Grandson's Chicago basketball team, defending Brian, criticizing Hinkie / Masai, etc.) all still make complete sense with Jerry instead of Brian.

Last but not least, rearrange "Eric Jr" --> "Jerri C". Okay that one's a stretch, but still.

Honestly I think it's much more likely that Eric Jr. is Jerry Colangelo, trying to stick up for his son on Twitter. It's already in evidence that he'll go to great lengths for BC (e.g. snaking him into the organization), this wouldn't surprise me at all.

 
looks solid furly but it doesnt explain that once bryan is told about some of the accounts all of them go dark so that sort of says that even if brian wasnt the guy he sure knew who was take that to the bank brohans 

 
Wu-banger said:
I do applaud Brown for handling the rebuild , takes a lot of focus to maintain the positive attitude he has had in taking over a team who is trying to lose. I like Brown , been to 76ers practices ........ Problem is , he showed that he is not a Coach that is capable of handling young players during the game in crunch time or handling runs. We all know they are young , and should of been constantly guided and put in positions for success, which I do not feel Brown did.  Lloyd Pierce was often the man in charge of the huddle, which is odd for an assistant.   I'm also not a fan of how he handled Fultz in the Playoffs either. he had a horrible 4 minutes versus Miami , but there were many opportunities to get him back on the court to have him prove himself , gluing him to the bench does nothing to help him or the 76ers long term.
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I guess that we will have to agree to disagree that enough evidence is in to make this decision.

 
Wu-banger said:
Have to disagree on this one..... it is obvious , even more so in the Playoffs, that he is not a very capable in-game Coach. His adjustments are late and , crunch time execution is laughable. They continued to blow 20 point leads all year long, including a critical Playoff lose. Things like having Marco Bellinelli setting a down screen for Embiid or having JJ Redick initiate plays in huge possessions are inexcusable. I like his personality but he would be better suited for a Veteran team like he was with in San Antonio.
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Wu-banger said:
The holding leads was more about the players , especially Rookie PG , getting more comfortable than Brown doing anything to adjust
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so initially the blowing of leads was Brett's fault, but now it's the players' fault?

 
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Sorry, Bryan. Got you. Went to “reset password” and tried three of his burners. Every single one has a phone number ending in 91. This is clearly not a coincidence.
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Wu-banger said:
I do applaud Brown for handling the rebuild , takes a lot of focus to maintain the positive attitude he has had in taking over a team who is trying to lose. I like Brown , been to 76ers practices ........ Problem is , he showed that he is not a Coach that is capable of handling young players during the game in crunch time or handling runs. We all know they are young , and should of been constantly guided and put in positions for success, which I do not feel Brown did.  Lloyd Pierce was often the man in charge of the huddle, which is odd for an assistant.   I'm also not a fan of how he handled Fultz in the Playoffs either. he had a horrible 4 minutes versus Miami , but there were many opportunities to get him back on the court to have him prove himself , gluing him to the bench does nothing to help him or the 76ers long term.
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I applaud Brown for winning 52 games and s playoff series with that moron as his boss

 
mr. furley said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/8n5zgp/eric_jr_jerry_not_bryan/

Eric Jr = Jerry, not Bryan (self.sixers)

submitted 11 hours ago by howardedwin

Reasons why:

Calls himself an "old man" in a lot of his twitter posts

Mentions Jesus / god a ton. From his wiki: "Colangelo has spoken about his faith saying, "The first priority in life is to have that relationship with Jesus Christ. So your faith is number one. ... God [has] a plan for my life."

When all the other burner accounts went private, Eric Jr's did not. Guessing the others were truly Bryan's, but Eric Jr. was Jerry.

From the Ringer: "One of the few non-basketball accounts followed by Eric jr is an Arizona man named Lawrence “LB” Bain. Bain’s Twitter bio lists his location as Paradise Valley, a small town in Maricopa County, Arizona, that is five miles from the address of JDM Partners LLC, a financial company where Jerry Colangelo is a partner." It's much more likely that Jerry would follow this man, not Bryan...

Also from the Ringer: "Eric jr went on the attack. “I sat NEXT to you and [Dwyane Wade] at Beijing Olympics and saw you both being rude nasty to little kid fan,” the account said. “Had to eat yr pizza. … You showed no respect to this little kid, who are you to stand on high grounds? Never looked at DW the same after that.” During the 2008 Olympics, Jerry Colangelo, then the managing director of the U.S. men’s national basketball team, was in Beijing." JERRY was there, not Bryan. It's much more likely he was sitting next to Dwayne Wade as the managing director of the Olympic team.

All the other connections (e.g. watching his Grandson's Chicago basketball team, defending Brian, criticizing Hinkie / Masai, etc.) all still make complete sense with Jerry instead of Brian.

Last but not least, rearrange "Eric Jr" --> "Jerri C". Okay that one's a stretch, but still.

Honestly I think it's much more likely that Eric Jr. is Jerry Colangelo, trying to stick up for his son on Twitter. It's already in evidence that he'll go to great lengths for BC (e.g. snaking him into the organization), this wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Bryan was there too

That said, this theory still seems plausible.

That said, I'm not sure it helps Bryan too much even if that one is Jerry.

 
yeah there has been more info coming out all day not in favor of Colangelo. If the Sixers don't make a move by the end of the week it could be long-term bad for them. I get not being reactive, but maybe just put him on temp leave for now and have asst. GM oversee. waiting for an investigation could be awful if it isn't time sensitive

 
ghostguy123 said:
I put his MVP chances as the same (ever so slightly higher) as their chances to win the series.  They are +650.  His MVP odds should be +640.

A nice bet just might be to put a little on the Cavs at +650 and then bet on whoever you think will win the MVP if the Warriors win it, which to me is Durant.  

+300 for Bron is just silly.  

There is a reason the losing team has only had the MVP once, and that it was like 50 years ago.  Even if he is the actual MVP of the series he won't win the award..............unless it is so painfully obvious where he is a one man show with 50-10-10 every night with good efficiency and the series goes 7 (MAYBE 6).
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If a player on a losing team really had a realistic chance of winning Finals MVP, LeBron would have already won another in 2015 (Iguodala).

 
bananafish said:
If I am reading the tea leaves right this probably means that LeBron and Durant will guard each other which should be a pretty epic battle(and sets Curry up for MVP). Unless LeBron decides that guarding Durant is too taxing and degrades his abilities on offense so much that they put Jeff Green on Durant which seems like a disaster in the making.

Durant has been seemingly distracted and/or uninspired for stretches of these playoffs. One thing that appears to get his attention is guarding the other team's best player. He's got his hands full this time.
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I think they'll actually start with Looney or Bell and see if they can hold up since that might prompt LeBron to go at them rather than try to isolate on Curry.  The Cavs may isolate LeBron on Curry no matter what, but that setup would allow Durant or Green to help better or switch like the Celtics did when they Cavs isolated LeBron on Rozier.  

I'll be shocked if LeBron starts Game 1 guarding Durant.  They may as well see if Green (assuming Love is out) can hold up against him at all.   

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Colangelo went to Cornell, yet the most obvious connection between the accounts is the atrocious sentence fragments, the incorrect use of contractions and the inability to stay in the correct verb tense.
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In other words, the typical NBA GM.

 
Courtesy of Bovada, (http://www.Bovada.lv , Twitter: @BovadaLV).

Will Bryan Colangelo be the Philadelphia 76ers President of Basketball Operations for the 2018-2019 NBA Season?
Yes +200 (2/1)
No -300 (1/3)

wish that "No" was closer to -1500

 
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SWC said:
looks solid furly but it doesnt explain that once bryan is told about some of the accounts all of them go dark so that sort of says that even if brian wasnt the guy he sure knew who was take that to the bank brohans 
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I can get behind the Jerry theory for sure.  Also think Bryan knew Jerry had that account and when he was made aware of it, told him to shut it down. 

Who will be the new GM?  Hinkie?  Lebron?  

 
JuniorGong said:
He won a ring in Cleveland, that is the ultimate city of losers. I’m not a fan of Lebron but let’s keep it real.
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True, but Love was a lot more highly regarded back then and don't act like going to Cleveland was some altruistic act.  He was (rightfully) blasted for his teaming up with other stars just to win a title in Miami, and some still hold that against him.  Going to Houston would add fuel to that fire.  I don't think he goes there for many reasons, that being just one of them.
 

tjnc09 said:
Maybe that's a stupid take.  
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Ya you're right.  He doesn't care about his rep.

 
I'm interested to see what the Cavs do with Draymond since he has seemingly forgotten how to shoot.  I could see them testing out the Tony Allen treatment on him in Game 1.

 
Deamon said:
True, but Love was a lot more highly regarded back then and don't act like going to Cleveland was some altruistic act.  He was (rightfully) blasted for his teaming up with other stars just to win a title in Miami, and some still hold that against him.  Going to Houston would add fuel to that fire.  I don't think he goes there for many reasons, that being just one of them.
 

Ya you're right.  He doesn't care about his rep.
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Love wasn't on Cleveland when James signed there.

 
Deamon said:
True, but Love was a lot more highly regarded back then and don't act like going to Cleveland was some altruistic act.  He was (rightfully) blasted for his teaming up with other stars just to win a title in Miami, and some still hold that against him.  Going to Houston would add fuel to that fire.  I don't think he goes there for many reasons, that being just one of them.
 

Ya you're right.  He doesn't care about his rep.
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Father time is going to catch up to him at some point.  Do you really think he wants to go somewhere with a 20-25% chance at a ring?  

 
tjnc09 said:
Father time is going to catch up to him at some point.  Do you really think he wants to go somewhere with a 20-25% chance at a ring?  
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No, I don't really.  I agree with you... I don't think he's the type of guy to stay with a franchise or go to one unless he's the favourite to win the conference. 

 
Deamon said:
Give me a break.  You know damn well that was in the works.  LBJ is the GM of that team.
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Cleveland had enormous draft capital.  He would have never returned if their team didn't have a good possibility to compete.  Every superstar still needs other stars to win a ring.  

 
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Frostillicus said:
I'm legitimately curious, but can you give me an example of somebody who doesn't do this?
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Are you seriously saying every single FA signing signs with the team that gives them the best chance at a championship?  My example would be anyone who doesn't sign with a contender.  Redick turning down Houston for Philly maybe?

 
tjnc09 said:
Cleveland had enormous draft capital.  He would have never returned if their team didn't have a good possibility to compete.  Every superstar still needs other stars to win a ring.  
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Agreed.  Some people still paint his going from Miami to Cleve as some altruistic move to save the city.  He knew Miami was a sinking boat and jumped to his best shot at winning the easy-East.  Now Cleve might not be the best in the East next year and he'll likely jump ship again.

 
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