General Malaise
Footballguy
Oregon recruits decommitting too. Neat.
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2017 College Football Thread: Hawaiian QB devastated to find out Jesus was "kinda rooting for Georgia" (3 Viewers)
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Capella
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gump
Footballguy
OK but his SOS has been significantly lower than Saban's thru his career at OSU too...until this year So to say Saban is finding the easy way isn't fooling anyone that matters.
mr. furley
Footballguy
wat
3 "pre-season" college games, half the conference games are complete mismatches.. maybe 2 games per season are in doubt for the power teams. fans go berserk and schools can coaches for losing 3 games a year.
the college regular season is more or less meaningless unless you're one of the top 10-15 programs in the nation.
Capella
Footballguy
ASU press release:
The department’s New Leadership Model will be similar to an NFL approach using a general manager structure. It’s a collaborative approach to managing the ASU football program that includes sport and administrative divisions, which will operate as distinct, but collective units focused on elevating all aspects of Sun Devil Football. This structure will allow the department to form a multi-layered method to the talent evaluation and recruiting processes, increase its emphasis on both student-athlete and coach development and retention, and provide a boost in resource allocation and generation.
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Yes, if you're Akron you are screwed either way.
For everyone else, any game can be your elimination. If New England loses to Cleveland we all have a little laugh and then everyone on the Patriots goes on about their day. If Ohio State loses to Iowa, season over. Better take it seriously.
Philadelphia vs. Seattle. Big game. Not super important as it's unlikely one loss is going to knock either of these teams out of the playoffs. I watched the game with a die hard Eagles fan tonight. He's sad they lost but it's not really a big deal to him. But Oklahoma vs. Ohio State? Huge, because each loss is vital. I watched that one with an OSU fan and it was crushing to him because he knew at the time there was a good chance it would be the difference in their season, which it was.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Most of the games Meyer has coached at OSU were scheduled before he got here. Even the Oklahoma games were scheduled back in 2008.
Here are the home and home series OSU scheduled after Meyer took over:
Oregon, Note Dame, Texas, and Washington.
If Alabama is going to start scheduling home and home series again, it will be years before those games actually get played. Saban will probably retire before they begin again.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Who do you hate more Saban or Krzyzewski? I really dislike both, but I think I hate Saban more.
MikeIke
Footballguy
Buckeyes still would have made the playoffs losing just to Oklahoma. Iowa killed us.
As a Buckeye, I'm fine with, and even glad that, they didn't make the playoffs. I've said all along they weren't a top 4 team. I don't want another Playoff embarrassment.
However, I wouldn't feel bad about putting $50 on Dobbins for the Heisman next year, maybe even parlay it with OSU to win the National Championship.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Buckeyes still would have made the playoff losing just to Iowa.
Losing one game to a 7-5 Iowa wouldn't have mattered anymore than losing to a 4-8 Syracuse. It was the decision to schedule a non-conference powerhouse game that killed us. It's a 50/50 crapshoot when schools do that. Much safer to just schedule Akron. The playoff committee has spoken. Just don't lose.
General Malaise
Footballguy
He's taking all his recruits, Leavitt and Crystobal with him.
This team will be coached by Gary Crowton or Dirk Koetter soon and I'm going to just start rooting for Alabama since I got in there as my fall back school in '91.
I hate college football.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
If you don't have any decent P5 programs in your non-conference they're gonna punish you for that. FSU was bad this year, but the committee knew that Bama tried to schedule a team that is consistently ranked.
Clemson played Auburn and South Carolina, so I don't know why you bring up Syracuse.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
As much as the losses get discussed, I really think the committee just watched the OSU-Wisconsin game and thought, "that is just not one of the 4 best teams in the country". Now, of course, they didn't think they were beforehand, as they had them ranked at 8, but that game didn't move the needle much. On paper, sure, it's a nice win for the resume. But if anybody watched Saturday night wanting to see something that suggested OSU was one of the 4 best teams in the country and better than Bama, they didn't see it.
If that game is 30-7, I suspect OSU is probably in the Playoff.
There were only 3 teams with a Playoff-worthy resume. If they just went with imperfect eyeball test to decide with two imperfect candidates for the 4th spot, I'm fine with that.
jplvr
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Oool...As several of us have stated, we like true road games. One of the best games I've been to was OU @ ND a few years ago. Baker never would have planted the flag if OU and OSU decided to play at a neutral site. OU is resurrecting its rivalry with Nebraska with a home and home series in a few years. OU has home and homes with UCLA, Tennessee & Michigan scheduled. Wouldn't have it any other way.
gump
Footballguy
Yet Saban's SOS is consistently significantly better than Meyer's, outside this year. If the SEC's overall downturn starts to impact that, it'll change.
Parrothead
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
There can be only one.
I’d drink Saban’s urine flow if he was trying to put out an on fire Rat Face.
whoknew
Footballguy
It already does if you care about something other than money. For example, if you care about your fans.
And I'm not just saying that about Alabama. I hated Michigan's old AD who only cared about making as much money as possible and scheduled a bunch of neutral site games. They suck. Luckily he's gone and Michigan's new AD has a different view. He actually cares about the fans/alumni. Too bad Saban doesn't.
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Politician Spock
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Because the most important thing is "don't lose twice". If Clemson had lost to either Auburn or South Carolina, they'd be out. Yet they'd still be in if those wins were against Old Dominion and Liberty. We're going to see less and less decent OOC games scheduled going forward, because the benefit of winning those kind of games doesn't outweigh the risk of losing them.
Capella
Footballguy
They did play who they scheduled, and the committee deemed it not even close enough to be in the top-10.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Looking forward to the upcoming changes in the NCAA playoff system which will finally and forever eliminate all arguments and determine a true national champion, once and for all time.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Actually yeah I worry about this a bit. I like the big OOC games. I know we’ve got a home and home with Jimbo’s Aggies the next two years and then I believe it’s UGA for a home and home after that. Those games are fun.
The Solid Verbal podcast was chatting about this... basically OSU got in last year because of the OU win and are out this season because of the OU loss. If they had scheduled a P5 team but someone easy like South Carolina (
), they’d have one loss and be in right now.
Capella
Footballguy
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I didn’t see a single team play this weekend that was left out that deserves to be in. UCF would get smoked, Wisconsin was awful, OSU wasn’t much better. This past weekend was round 1 and it sucked.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Good God, might not want to tell anyone else about this, like ever!There can be only one.
I’d drink Saban’s urine flow if he was trying to put out an on fire Rat Face.
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
Can't root for Alabama, 'cause eff 'em. Can't root for Ok because of Baker Manziel. Can't root for UGA because of insufferable new money UGA fans. I guess it'sClemsonClempson.
gump
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Jayrok
Footballguy
Yes. It shows when Vegas says Alabama is a 1-2 pt favorite as a #4 vs #1.Christo said:
If the committee loves Alabama so much (and is validated by the Vegas odds), then why didn't they put Alabama at #2 or #1? They are clearly odds on favorites against all of the other 3 teams.
Capella
Footballguy
Definitely. I mean it's obvious the Ohio State AD who is on the committee fixed the whole thing for Alabama.
But it's not about who is or looked the best. It's completely about losses. If it weren't, or were actually about who looked the best, Auburn would be in over Alabama.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Bama basically gets a home game too. They’ve been getting the favorable matchups from the start. 3 years ago, the rankings every week were Bama vs OU. Week after week and then we get to the final rankings, Michigan St moves to 3 and gets throttled by Bama, Clemson plays OU who was favored in the 1/4 game.
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Jayrok
Footballguy
It's a lovefest. I think they're still upset that they couldn't squeeze OSU in this year as well.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Vegas odds don't validate whether Team A is better than Team B. Vegas odds validate what Joe Public thinks the better team is. Oddsmakers just try to get money fairly evenly split.
Personally I thought the line would have been Clemson by a FG or so.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
A 2-loss Auburn would probably have been ranked #1 over three 1-loss teams so to say it's completely about losses is asinine. Just like the previous notions that it was completely about conference titles or who you beat in previous years were asinine. There is no single variable.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
That kickoff classic game against Duke is not easy for their 5 star players to recover from and have to face New Mexico State the following week. That's two bowl teams this year!!!!
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Surely I can't be the only one that sees the irony of using a team that never plays their biggest rival and historically the toughest matchup in their conference in a true road game as the shining example of playing true road games.
Capella
Footballguy
Reports today are Taggart is meeting with FSU this afternoon. I'd say it's about 90% it's him.
I don't think Strong is a candidate at all. Avoid the clickbait.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Oklahoma has played true road games out of conference at Ohio State, Tennessee, Notre Dame, and Florida State this decade. While they don't play in Austin they also don't get that home game against Texas in Norman either so that works both ways. No issues with their scheduling
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I’m hopped up on pain meds after throwing my back out, it’s possible I exaggerated.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Right, point being that OU is already eliminating one tough (historically their toughest) home and home, so adding another one only brings things to equilibrium. Maybe if Alabama played Auburn at a neutral field every year instead of having to go to on the road to one of the toughest road environments in the country (usually at night) they'd be more amenable to playing some of those OOC toughies as a home and home.
Alabama plays either @LSU or @Auburn every year, two of the toughest environments to play in. They're usually at night. OU doesn't really have any kind of comparable annual road environment on their schedule, so a tough OOC road environment (which they don't play every year, or even every other year) doesn't mean OU has more tough road environments. They have less.
People in this thread are so oddly fixated on minute details like whether a tough game is in or out of conference. It's been this for years in here. A team can play a 10x tougher schedule in conference (not the case here, just a traditional example) but if one of their toughest games isn't OOC it's all meaningless to people. A team can play a 10x tougher OOC schedule, but if the last of those games is an FCS school it's all meaningless to people.
If Auburn hadn't played Clemson they would still have had the most difficult schedule in the country when all was said and done but people would have fixated on the notion that none of their three games against top 5 opponents were OOC, and just kind of skipped right over the part where they played three games against top 5 opponents.
Just like here, a team that occasionally plays in a tough road environment and ALWAYS plays a neutral site game is criticizing a team that ALWAYS plays in a tough road environment and occasionally plays a neutral site game for playing too many neutral site games instead of playing in a tough road environment.
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