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2017 New York Jets: Robby Anderson has been arrested in Florida for the second straight offseason. This is why we can't have nice things. (1 Viewer)
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NYRAGE
Footballguy
Still why not? If they are tanking, which seems to be the case, why wait? Just roll with Powell and McGuire, and maybe they are better, and if not, then you know you need to eventually address RB.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
You need 3-4 RBs per season the way they get banged up. The Jets have no depth at RB unlike at WR where they have a few players to develop. Dump Forte and you have to go out and pay for another RB. Makes no sense to cut him now. If you want to give McGuire reps, drop Forte to third in the pecking order.
-OZ-
Footballguy
That makes sense but if I'm forte I'm probably asking for a trade or release. (In private)
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I actually think they are doing what's best for the long term health of the franchise.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Kiddnets
Footballguy
unless he wants to waive that guaranteed salary he's on the team this year...
Totally agree - they finally realized that without a franchise QB they have no shot......sadly this is the only way....now watch them win a few meaningless games to finish with the 5th pick again!
In addition to setting themselves up for the franchise QB they finally get to develop the kids...if all goes well they should be back in the mix in 2019 just as Brady should be on his way out....
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes, mostly. They have plenty of young pieces in place on defense, and can now draft a franchise QB next offseason. If some of their young WRs pan out and with $90MM in cap space they can turn things back around quickly.
rockaction
Footballguy
It's still a mess in terms of competition on the field. Guess we should just bite our lips and go along with the rebuild. Nothing else to do.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
As opposed to our existing culture of losing? Last year was a disaster. Paying Fitz all that money to watch him throw INT after another. Revis dogging it and looking awful at $17m per year. The secondary getting burned one play after another. The few "team leaders" fighting each other. A zombie head coach. The entire o-line injured and replacements playing like matadors. No speed on the team. Entire past drafts flushed down the toilet and a barren talent base with the exception of Leonard Williams.
The Jets had a short good run a few years ago, but have been trying half measures ever since. You just can't win in this league without a good QB. Not in today's NFL.
Burn it to the ground. Hopefully end up with a franchise QB, some new leaders from this past draft, and a ton of cap space for next year. I feel much better about this than another 5-8 win team going nowhere.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
They want to realease decker (30) but reached out to Steve smith (38). Why would you reach out to a retired guy when you have a viable wr in decker? This is all so strange, the timing especially. If it happened on the 2nd I would understand, but wait a week into otas or more? I hope decker goes somewhere he can thrive. He should find a job quickly.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
"Tanking" is an often misued term. What they are doing is shedding bad contracts and accepting the reality that they weren't going to be good this season. I am sure they will be playing hard once the season starts.
I wouldnt say they went hard over Cutler (or he'd be here). They had a visiti set up, but they signed McCown instead and never even had Cutler visit.
Fariq
Footballguy
The Jets already have a culture of losing and they've never tanked. It is about time they did.
Reaper
Footballguy
Bottom Line: They are Tanking - And that's what I wanted forever... When Macc/Bowles took over a 4 win team or when any GM/HC takes over a garbage team they need to properly analyze and Rip the team down ASAP if it's not truly a team stacked with young talent that simply needs just a few pieces....
Granted they were fooled by some wins in 15' But, I'd wish my GM was smart enough to analyze and see thru that BS and just stay focused on Building a talented TEAM.
ONLY out I give MACC is if Woody ordered the "Spend money and Go for it" silly call...
But, here we are, 2 years WASTED..... And now the Rebuild... Ok, I'm good,,,,
Just why can't they show some freaking class in the process - Properly notify Veterans Like Mangold and Harris.... Like WTF, if they knew they were 100% rebuild this year then there was no reason to string along Harris or even Decker now...
GM continues to show bad signs IMO...
So where we stand now is a GM/HC with a mulligan for 2 years of Crap.... We have ZERO clue if Macc knows what a potential NFL QB even looks like, His drafts are highly questionable so far and he's built nothing - We also have no clue about Bowles, or at least much Good...
It's a New Day - We start from Scratch but, with little signs of confidence that these ppl have any idea what's up....
Our Real only hope is this winds up landing us a star QB finally. Gonna be a good year to watch College ball.
Granted they were fooled by some wins in 15' But, I'd wish my GM was smart enough to analyze and see thru that BS and just stay focused on Building a talented TEAM.
ONLY out I give MACC is if Woody ordered the "Spend money and Go for it" silly call...
But, here we are, 2 years WASTED..... And now the Rebuild... Ok, I'm good,,,,
Just why can't they show some freaking class in the process - Properly notify Veterans Like Mangold and Harris.... Like WTF, if they knew they were 100% rebuild this year then there was no reason to string along Harris or even Decker now...
GM continues to show bad signs IMO...
So where we stand now is a GM/HC with a mulligan for 2 years of Crap.... We have ZERO clue if Macc knows what a potential NFL QB even looks like, His drafts are highly questionable so far and he's built nothing - We also have no clue about Bowles, or at least much Good...
It's a New Day - We start from Scratch but, with little signs of confidence that these ppl have any idea what's up....
Our Real only hope is this winds up landing us a star QB finally. Gonna be a good year to watch College ball.
Reaper
Footballguy
Can Tanking set up a Culture of losing for a team that's not winning anyway???? I mean, what comes 1st... and what gets you out of that,
I watched in recent years as we beat teams like Tenn, TBB and Oak... yet they bottomed out better and got their QB's and drafted well... Did Tanking kill the Colts?
What's worse than Tanking???????????? Over Rating a Crap team, and winning 2 extra games from a Tanked team with Old Vets that won't be there and living in mediocrity forever.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
About time, this is the only hope for the franchise. A complete rebuild..., 2020 and beyond could be fun to watch...
The problem for both the Bears and the Jets is that the offenses are fricken atrocious and the defenses both have quite a bit of talent. Not enough to make up for the offense but enough to make half of their games this year interesting if they try. Which they won't... and probably shouldn't.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I'm not sure how the offense is going to be worse than last year. Glennon should be an upgrade over what they had last year at QB. The loss of Jeffery hurts but they really didn't use him as much as they should. This year is sounding like a run first system with some passes sprinkled in. As long as the offense can put together some longer drives and the secondary can force some turnovers the Bears will be much better.
I'm still predicting about 5/6 wins for the Bears this year. The Jets are most likely going to end up with 2/3 wins.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
There is no way the players on the field aren't going to try - even the "tanking" Colts won two of their last three games and almost lost out on the top pick. Now, the coaching staff could throw Hackenberg out there and keep him there even if he looks terrible, but it's not like they are going to tell their DBs to jog after WRs running down the sideline.
The Jets have some talent on defense, but not really enough to dictate the outcome of games. They have a great D-line and hopefully their young safeties play well, but their linebackers are a question mark and their corners are merely adequate and/or young.
If I had to bet I'd surely take the Bears to win more games because I think Glennon is at least an average QB and Howard is a budding star, and they have a good young defense as well - but I do not think they'll be very good either (their division is very solid and they may only win 2 games, at best, out of those 6).
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
You're right, no players are going to try and lose and that's why tanking is not really a correct term. Basically management is setting the team up for failure in order to gain that higher draft pick.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Completely agree - they are not tanking in the purest sense of the word as in throwing games....but they are shedding age/bloated contracts and going with young unproven players with upside instead which will likely lead to a bad record...however as Doc Oc said I fully expect the kids to play hard...probably harder than last yrs team of mediocrity that mailed in in after week 6. This is why under no circumstances should McC start a game.....play Hack regardless...he either shows that he's the guy or they will definitely end up with a top 1-3 pick for one of the QBs. Don't screw around with McC - zero upside to that move.
As a paying season ticket holder I am 100% on board with this plan....the Pats domination with Brady is finally in its twilight after 20 yrs....now is the time to rip it down, find a franchise QB that has eluded them since Joe Willie and be ready to go in 2 yrs.
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flapgreen
Footballguy
They did go hard after him. He wasn't interested on playing anymore or he would be.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If I recall correctly, the reports were that the Jets were in on Cutler and McCown and once they signed the latter, neither Cutler nor the Jets were interested in each other anymore
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This is much closer to reality. The Jets had a visit set up with Cutler, but cancelled it once they signed McCown instead. I'm sure Cutler had no interest in the Jets once McCown signed either but he did not chose retirement until no one wanted him - and they never went hard after him (obviously).
Kiddnets
Footballguy
From what I heard it wasnt about talent but rather the best fit/mentor - Cutler not the best locker room guy/mentor....McC just fit their need better.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I saw a report the Woody Johnson ordered the cuts of Harris and Decker to save money in a rebuilding year. I'm not sure how true that is but it seems plausible. Guess he's counting on some empty seats this season when they're 1-10 and figures he may as well save some cash since those guys aren't going to move the needle much.
Mookie
Footballguy
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Im a season ticket holder for over 30 yrs...JEts called to see if we would like to add seats for this year only....after I stopped laughing I asked if they ever heard of stub hub....tix will be available in the thousands for pennies on the dollar this season. If I didnt love tailgating with my family I'd be dumping myself....
Still Im ok with the cuts - give kids more reps and position for better pick....but then I read about Steve Smith and I shake my head....man i hope that was wrong!
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Is Cutler really threatened by McCown? Didn't McCown back him up in Chicago?? It's possible Cutler even knows how bad Cutler is
Yes. Although I am surprised Houston didn't kick the tires after Romo decided to go to the booth. Maybe Cutler didn't want to play if it wasn't a starting position without much competition. And maybe he wasn't really interested in any of the losing teams out there who might have had interest in him.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Their division is getting a bit stronger (Miami and Buffalo are average to above average now)
At the time the Jets will finally have the pieces together maybe Brady and BB will have retired and then the Jets can be the new kings of the division
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Culter was supposed to come in and I think had to postpone the visit for personal reasons. Then the Jets signed McCown and cancelled Cutler's next attempted trip to the Jets. Then there was some so-called interest by the Texans, but the Texans decided to draft a QB which may have been their plan all along. They stopped taking his calls. He wasn't planning to retire. I think that's bs. I think he wanted to start and read the writing on the wall. I think he would rather retire than be a back-up.
The only advantage of Cutler would have been the appearance that the Jets were trying to win, but in reality, he always gets hurt and loses which would have served our purpose of losing and letting the kids eventually play. The disadvantage would have been his attitude and probably reluctance to help the kids.
McCown doesn't give the appearance that we're trying to win (although that cat is now out of the bag). He will also lose and get hurt, but at least he will help the kid QBs. He also is cheaper than Cutler. Anyway, enough of that sour#### bum.
The only advantage of Cutler would have been the appearance that the Jets were trying to win, but in reality, he always gets hurt and loses which would have served our purpose of losing and letting the kids eventually play. The disadvantage would have been his attitude and probably reluctance to help the kids.
McCown doesn't give the appearance that we're trying to win (although that cat is now out of the bag). He will also lose and get hurt, but at least he will help the kid QBs. He also is cheaper than Cutler. Anyway, enough of that sour#### bum.
Bossman
Footballguy
I remember being at this game. Just doesn't seem that long ago for the Jets to be where they are now.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81dbb13b/GameDay-Jets-vs-Patriots
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81dbb13b/GameDay-Jets-vs-Patriots
I feel for you...I get to watch the team for free (on your and other season ticket holders' backs)...next time I am up for a a game, I'll PM you and buy you a beer. Us "non season ticket holders" owe you guys big time.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Setting aside what kind of contract he's worth, does David Harris still have it or is he on his last legs?
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TLEF316
Footballguy
Not the player he was 5 years ago ( and even then, he was poor in coverage) but he can absolutely still play on early downs as an interior thumper. And by all accounts a world class locker room guy
flapgreen
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well it was a play on words based on the fact that flapgreen has some different recollection of the events surrounding Jay Cutler's retirement and why he is not currently a Jet. A recollection that no one else seems to have.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Of all of the people on this site, you don't think anyone could know Jay or any of his friends personally?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It's possible but it doesn't change the reality of what actually happened though. Did he ever visit the Jets? Did they sign McCown? Would they have signed both? Please. I hope Jay Cutler finds peace in retirement. Im sure he's a good guy and is one of the few people on Earth who could have achieved what he did. However the Jets had some interest in him maybe, but no matter how you want to spin it, they did not go "hard" after him and he did not retire rather than play for them. There's been enough time wasted on this. If you want to tell your story feel free. I'm sure some may have interest in it.flapgreen said:
