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*** 2017 NHL Off-Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Brady Marino said:
Not sure what makes me happier about that deal: getting Schenn or losing Lehtera. 

That's $4.7 million of nothing the Flyers are getting for each of the next two years. 
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As long as you don't expect Schenn to play center (well) and score at 5 on 5, you'll love his PP goals though. Not even a huge fan of the trade but he was a frustrating player. :wall:  (Lehtera had one less ES goal than Schenn last year) 

 
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Billy Bats said:
As long as you don't expect Schenn to play center (well) and score at 5 on 5, you'll love his PP goals though. Not even a huge fan of the trade but he was a frustrating player. :wall:  
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Well, the Blues did lose Perron in the expansion draft, so it's possible he could slide into his role, too. 

And trust me, you know nothing of frustration until you see Lehtera just completely disappear like a Spinal Tap drummer on the ice.

 
Brady Marino said:
And trust me, you know nothing of frustration until you see Lehtera just completely disappear like a Spinal Tap drummer on the ice.
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I've watched Brayden Schenn for 6 years. :oldunsure:  Seriously, everything I've heard about Lehtera is what I've thought about Schenn. Hope he works out for you guys I've been done with him for years and wanted him moved, just not thrilled with the return. 

 
Coeur de Lion said:
To play devil's advocate -- he was on the Blues protected list over Perron (yeah the contract played a role in that, but still). And if Kunitz leaves, we essentially have zero physical forwards on the roster outside of Hornqvist. At least we'll get to see him beat the #### out of Wilson and Dubinsky next year...

I agree that the price was just way too high (the pick or Oskar should have been plenty, not both) but I kind of like having Reaves actually.
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Reaves can skate a shift every so often at least. No doubt. Whether my perception is colored by the playoffs is one thing; but dude can play enough to tough guy it up in Pittsburgh. I was impressed by his overall ability on the Blues watching the Nashville series. They're trading away the nebulous future for a run at what could be a dynasty. Why not?   

 
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I dont get why Ruff would want to be an assitant. And I dont get why AV would want to have him there having to look over his shoulder. 

 
Billy Bats said:
A first and two seconds for Hamonic and a fourth. Not terribly expensive. Nice trade for 'Gary. 
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Price came down a bit for Hamonic. The rumor on Day One of the draft was the Islanders wanted two firsts + for him. He has a nice, team friendly contract too. I think 3 more years at $3.85 mill.

 
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Billy Bats said:
I've watched Brayden Schenn for 6 years. :oldunsure:  Seriously, everything I've heard about Lehtera is what I've thought about Schenn. Hope he works out for you guys I've been done with him for years and wanted him moved, just not thrilled with the return. 
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Schenn tied for the league lead this past season in PP goals. If he comes close to doing that again, Blues fans will be thrilled. 

After a solid rookie season, Lehtera has not been worth a damn since. Blues fans everywhere are ecstatic to get him and that contract off the team. 

 
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Ghost Rider said:
Schenn tied for the league lead this past season in PP goals. If he comes close to doing that again, Blues fans will be thrilled. 

After a solid rookie season, Lehtera has not been worth a damn since. Blues fans everywhere are ecstatic to get him and that contract off the team. 
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Kid's a good player, no doubt. From a Flyers fan perspective he came in the beloved Richard's trade, with the tag of "best player not in the NHL" attached. Not his fault, of course, but was probably expecting more. Whether it was the system he was in, can't say but he wasn't good at center. Can't create offense and disappears for long stretches of 5 on 5 play. If the Flyers went 0-2 on the PP I wondered whether Schenn had played. He's a 3C/2W, PP guy and that's good. Probably expecting/hoping he was a first line player. 

Suppsoedly centering Tarasenko and Schwartz will help, I just wouldn't expect to hear "what a pass from Schenn" too often. Overall a good Flyers player, hope he works out for you. :thumbup:  

 
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rockaction said:
Reaves can skate a shift every so often at least. No doubt. Whether my perception is colored by the playoffs is one thing; but dude can play enough to tough guy it up in Pittsburgh. I was impressed by his overall ability on the Blues watching the Nashville series. They're trading away the nebulous future for a run at what could be a dynasty. Why not?   
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I definitely like adding Reaves -- sounds like a great locker room guy, we need more grit, and it doesn't look like he takes stupid penalties. But still, giving up a decent 4C prospect and Kostin (who I really like and who would have gone much higher if he hadn't been hurt this year) for a 4th line winger with one year left on his contract is pretty steep.

 
AcerFC said:
I dont get why Ruff would want to be an assitant. And I dont get why AV would want to have him there having to look over his shoulder. 
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Lots of head coaches take a demotion to get back to work. 

 
Billy Bats said:
Kid's a good player, no doubt. From a Flyers fan perspective he came in the beloved Richard's trade, with the tag of "best player not in the NHL" attached. Not his fault, of course, but was probably expecting more. Whether it was the system he was in, can't say but he wasn't good at center. Can't create offense and disappears for long stretches of 5 on 5 play. If the Flyers went 0-2 on the PP I wondered whether Schenn had played. He's a 3C/2W, PP guy and that's good. Probably expecting/hoping he was a first line player. 

Suppsoedly centering Tarasenko and Schwartz will help, I just wouldn't expect to hear "what a pass from Schenn" too often. Overall a good Flyers player, hope he works out for you. :thumbup:  
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If he does end up playing on a line with Tarasenko and Schwartz, that alone will make him a better player  Look at the spike in TJ Oshie's goals the last two seasons from playing with Ovechkin.  I am staying optimistic. :yes:  

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Like Schenn but agree that he's been underwhelming as a pro. Maybe the new team will help him. 
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If I recall, Alex Steen was considered something of a bust in Toronto before being sent to STL in a deal for Lee Stempniak. I'd say the change of scenery helped there.

We'll see. If he does end up centering Schwartz/Tarasenko, then I'll be bullish on his prospects going forward.

 
Still trying to appreciate the Brayden Schenn trade. While not a fan of his, they subtracted 26 goals from a team that struggled to score. They're expecting better years from Giroux and Voracek and contributions from quite a few kids, that's exciting but scary. I had thought Schenn could've been moved for another established forward, not more draft picks and a cold contract. Two firsts is a nice return though. I know they're a few years from even being considered a "contender", I guess it's weird to see the GM act that way as well. Nevermind the fact that we'll probably see a Bernier/Neuvirth tandem in goal behind a kid defense, could be a rough ride this season again. We won't see the fruits of this trade for 2-3 years at best, so I guess the future is bright. :shrug:  Weird couple days, looking forward to seeing Patrick and what he can do. 

Jax, sport, what are you guys thinking? 

 
Brady Marino said:
If I recall, Alex Steen was considered something of a bust in Toronto before being sent to STL in a deal for Lee Stempniak. I'd say the change of scenery helped there.

We'll see. If he does end up centering Schwartz/Tarasenko, then I'll be bullish on his prospects going forward.
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I would never consider Schenn even something of a bust, a good player who wasn't the player I expected. Would use frustrating before I ever use bad to describe him. He's real good on the PP, but to emphasize my thoughts of him disappearing, he had one more ES goal than Lehtera last year. Hopefully he'll thrive back at center with better line mates, that can only help. I'll be rooting for him. 

 
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Hockey HOF Class of 2017:

Teemu Selanne, Paul Kariya, Dave Andreychuk, Mark Recchi, Danielle Goyette, Jeremy Jacobs, Clare Drake.

:thumbup: to Big Dave

 
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Aaron Rudnicki said:
Hockey HOF Class of 2017:

Teemu Selanne, Paul Kariya, Dave Andreychuk, Mark Recchi, Danielle Goyette, Jeremy Jacobs, Clare Drake.

:thumbup: to Big Dave
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Pretty sweet moment to see Andreychuk hoist the SC with the Lightning. Also happy to see local University hockey coaching legend, Clare Drake get the call to the Hall. :thumbup:

 
Methot to Dallas for a 2020 2nd and a random goalie. :mellow:  

One would assume he would've gotten a much better deal at the deadline. Maybe GMGM overplayed his hand, a bit? 

 
I don't get the Methot love at all. Seems like a guy who people thought had value because he was one only a few D available. This return is about right to me.

 
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Dave Andreychuk doesn't belong in the HOF any more than Phil Housley does, but the voters obviously love them some one dimensional 80s / early 90s compilers.

Andreychuk going in ahead of Tom Barrasso is a travesty.

 
Northern Voice said:
I don't get the Methot love at all. Seems like a guy who people thought had value because he was one only a few D available. This return is about right to me.
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In a vacuum a 2nd for Methot is fine -- but teams give more for less at the trade deadline every year. It's more the market than anything specific to the player.

 
1639 games (7th all time)

640 goals (14th all time)

1338 points (29th all time)

274 PP goals (1st all time)

Captain of a Stanley Cup Champion

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
1639 games (7th all time)

640 goals (14th all time)

1338 points (29th all time)

274 PP goals (1st all time)

Captain of a Stanley Cup Champion
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One dimensional. No hardware (major awards), no serious consideration for any hardware. Only a 2 time all star. Never even close to a top-10 player in the league at any point. Never the best forward on his own team. Only 21st in goals per game during the most productive part of his career (83 - 94). Never finished in the top 3 in the NHL in any statistical category, ever.

It's not the "Hall of Pretty Good for a long time."

 
Everyone who played in the 80s up through the start of the dead puck era has hugely inflated numbers compared to anyone before or since, and Andreychuk's numbers relative to the competition over the period of his prime aren't compelling at all. The fact that Andreychuk bounced around for a decade plus after his prime as a role player potting a PP goal every 4th or 5th game, and happened to eventually land on a Cup winning team doesn't put him in the HOF for me, considering that he was never even close to an elite player at any point in his career. 

 
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Coeur de Lion said:
One dimensional. No hardware (major awards), no serious consideration for any hardware. Only a 2 time all star. Never even close to a top-10 player in the league at any point. Never the best forward on his own team. Only 21st in goals per game during the most productive part of his career (83 - 94). Never finished in the top 3 in the NHL in any statistical category, ever.

It's not the "Hall of Pretty Good for a long time."
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Everything you say is true, except the NHL's actually is the "Hall of pretty good for a long time" IMO. He's not elite but he won't be the worst player inducted either.

 
Northern Voice said:
Everything you say is true, except the NHL's actually is the "Hall of pretty good for a long time" IMO. He's not elite but he won't be the worst player inducted either.
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Yeah, that's true too. If Glenn Anderson and Dino Cicarelli are in there it's hard to argue against Andreychuk I guess. But I don't have to like it, either.

I'm also probably the only Steelers fan that you'll ever hear say that Terrell Davis should be in the NFL HOF way before Jerome Bettis -- same deal.

 
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The hockey hall of fame is garbage. Was there a month ago, of the 100s of jerseys that Lindros had worn, they put his knee brace in his HOF display. Come on. :thumbdown:   

 
Question for the Andreychuk for HOF guys: take Vinny Testaverde and keep his career the exact same except assume that he was the QB along for the ride at the end of his career when the '01 Ravens or '03 Bucs won their Super Bowls. NFL HOF? Because that's pretty much Dave Andreychuk.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Question for the Andreychuk for HOF guys: take Vinny Testaverde and keep his career the exact same except assume that he was the QB along for the ride at the end of his career when the '01 Ravens or '03 Bucs won their Super Bowls. NFL HOF? Because that's pretty much Dave Andreychuk.
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Testaverde ranks 89th in games played. Andreychuk ranks 7th.

not really the same at all. can you show me a stat where he ranks 1st among all players who ever played the sport like Andreychuk and PP goals?

 
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