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*** 2017 NHL Off-Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Getzlaf15 said:
:lmao:

 

Tatar has reportedly rejected a five-year, $25 million offer from the Detroit Red Wings.

Tatar is instead looking for a six or seven-year deal in the range of $6 million to $7 million annually. 
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That isn't that crazy, you've got guys like Radulov making over 6.  Granted I don't think I'd pay that money, but someone probably will.  He is a consistent 25 goal scorer.

 
Northern Voice said:
IIRC, analytics guys absolutely love him.
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Every time I looked at analytics comparisons on the Rangers you'd see Adam Clendening with the best numbers.  You'd think he was the second coming of Brad Park with those figures.  I always look at analytics with a grain of salt.

 
kentric said:
Too costly over the long run for that.  I think they keep him.
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Said this a few weeks ago...they can afford to carry his deal this season, so they'll wait another year to do it. Gets the dead money off the cap a year earlier than if they did it now (1 year of paying full money plus 6 buyout years vs 8 years if done today) and reduces the total buyout by about $3.4MM. 

 
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kentric said:
Every time I looked at analytics comparisons on the Rangers you'd see Adam Clendening with the best numbers.  You'd think he was the second coming of Brad Park with those figures.  I always look at analytics with a grain of salt.
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he does have good numbers (56% CF at 5v5), but I assume he was sheltered with a lot of offensive zone starts and easy matchups.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
he does have good numbers (56% CF at 5v5), but I assume he was sheltered with a lot of offensive zone starts and easy matchups.
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Yeah, Tyler Dellow on Twitter is good about highlighting context in analytics. For example, Dumoulin's overall numbers look good but his shifts without Crosby or Malkin on the ice are disastrous and that contract is terrible...

 
Northern Voice said:
Yeah, Tyler Dellow on Twitter is good about highlighting context in analytics. For example, Dumoulin's overall numbers look good but his shifts without Crosby or Malkin on the ice are disastrous and that contract is terrible...
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Terrible? It's a little higher in terms of AAV than I would have wanted ideally, but we bought out quite a few UFA years with that deal. Dumo doesn't provide any offense but plays very good positional defense and can eat top pairing minutes and matchups without crapping the bed. Most of the folks on the Pens' boards that I frequent obviously would prefer something in the 3.5 neighborhood, but what are you going to do with a 26 year old top / 2nd paring D?

 
AcerFC said:
Can someone explain the buying of FA years to me. 
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when a player hits UFA status, they typically get more money b/c any team can bid on them. so, a UFA will cost more than a player who is still restricted in some way.

so, to lock them up on an extension and prevent them from hitting the open market, it costs more money. that's what's referred to when people say "buying UFA years".

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
when a player hits UFA status, they typically get more money b/c any team can bid on them. so, a UFA will cost more than a player who is still restricted in some way.

so, to lock them up on an extension and prevent them from hitting the open market, it costs more money. that's what's referred to when people say "buying UFA years".
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Thx rude

 
RUSF18 said:
Said this a few weeks ago...they can afford to carry his deal this season, so they'll wait another year to do it. Gets the dead money off the cap a year earlier than if they did it now (1 year of paying full money plus 6 buyout years vs 8 years if done today) and reduces the total buyout by about $3.4MM. 
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In hockey, a buyout is when a team agrees to buyout the contract of a player. They pay the player one-third (if they are under 26) or two-thirds (26 and older) of the contract’s value over two times the length of the contract.

Buyouts allow teams to gain cap flexibility in the present. The biggest concern is that the player’s cap hit doesn’t stop after the original contract would end. Instead, the cap hit stays on the books until the two times the original contract’s length is finished.

The New York Rangers already used a buyout this offseason on Dan Girardi. To demonstrate what a buyout looks like, here is Girardi’s buyout broken down:

The Rangers bought out Girardi during the first buyout window, which has already closed. However, since both Mika Zibanejad and Jesper Fast filed for arbitration, the New York Rangers will get a second buyout window once they sign Zibanejad.

The second window would give the New York Rangers the opportunity to rid themselves of Marc Staal’s dreadful contract and open up space for one of their promising rookie defensemen.

However, there is a misconception that fans have about buyouts. Some fans believe that buying out Staal on top of Girardi would create a “Cap nightmare”. People tend to believe that doing so would create too much dead cap space. But that is simply not true and here’s why.

A buyout would not result in an awful cap hit

To demonstrate that buying Staal out (on top of Girardi) will not create a big cap issue, I did some math, which you can see here:

The cap hit for both buyouts together would be relatively similar to what Marc Staal earns alone for the next four seasons (which is when his current contract is set to end).

Five Million or six million dollars being paid to players not on the roster seems like a bad idea but think about it like this: The Rangers are able to get rid of two of the worst defensemen in the league for roughly the same price they would have been spending on one of them (Staal).

The real dead cap for a buyout comes after the players’ original contract ends. In the case of Marc Staal, that would be in years five to eight of the buyout.

The cap hit for Staal in the seasons after his original contract would have expired is just over $1.4 million. That isn’t harmful at all. It’s less than what Tanner Glass has been making for the last three seasons ($1.45 million)!

Buying out Marc Staal will not create a cap nightmare for the New York Rangers. It will, however, allow them to open up tons of cap space, which can be important if management plans to spend big on a center in the future. 

Ultimately, it is in the best interest of the Rangers for them to buyout Marc Staal with their second buyout window

http://bluelinestation.com/2017/07/16/new-york-rangers-buying-out-marc-staal-will-not-hurt/

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
but you can find all that out in the numbers. I just didn't bother to look it up for you.
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I can't be bothered to go into an in-depth on the guy, but I have seen enough comparatives on Rangers defensemen (charts and graphs) which always seem to have Clendening with the best ranking across multiple statistical factors. 

 
kentric said:
I can't be bothered to go into an in-depth on the guy, but I have seen enough comparatives on Rangers defensemen (charts and graphs) which always seem to have Clendening with the best ranking across multiple statistical factors. 
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http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?disp=1&db=201617&sit=5v5&pos=defense&minutes=100&teamid=20&type=corsi&sort=OZPCT&sortdir=DESC

he started 45% of his 5v5 shifts in the offensive zone and only 22% in the defensive zone.

by comparison, Staal started 27% of his 5v5 shifts in the offensive zone and 35% in the defensive zone.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Terrible? It's a little higher in terms of AAV than I would have wanted ideally, but we bought out quite a few UFA years with that deal. Dumo doesn't provide any offense but plays very good positional defense and can eat top pairing minutes and matchups without crapping the bed. Most of the folks on the Pens' boards that I frequent obviously would prefer something in the 3.5 neighborhood, but what are you going to do with a 26 year old top / 2nd paring D?
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He's not a true 2nd pairing D, that's the point. He gets destroyed if Malkin or Crosby isn't on the ice. He's a $2M/season guy and not the kind of player you care about buying UFA years for...

 
Northern Voice said:
He's not a true 2nd pairing D, that's the point. He gets destroyed if Malkin or Crosby isn't on the ice. He's a $2M/season guy and not the kind of player you care about buying UFA years for...
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We'll definitely have to disagree there. How much Pens' hockey do you watch as opposed to just looking at analytics? Because IMO (which aligns with that of most Pens' fans) you're WAY off base.

 
Interesting stat from Twitter. Isles in 10th. The rest makes sense. 

Most wins in past three #NHL seasons

Caps 156
Rangers 147
Blues 146
Hawks 145
Ducks 143
Pens 141
Bolts 138
Habs 135
Wild 133
Isles 133

https://t.co/as3gjp9rDR

 
kentric said:
I can't be bothered to go into an in-depth on the guy, but I have seen enough comparatives on Rangers defensemen (charts and graphs) which always seem to have Clendening with the best ranking across multiple statistical factors. 
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it's called context.  like when a goalie puts up a .94 sv% because he's not even being tested.

the other players on the ice matter too

 
Butcher not signing with Avs. Grigorenko left for Moscow. Zadorov about to do the same.

Gary needs to step in and move this team to New Orleans or something before it folds altogether 

 
Bill Brasky said:
Butcher not signing with Avs. Grigorenko left for Moscow. Zadorov about to do the same.

Gary needs to step in and move this team to New Orleans or something before it folds altogether 
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may be time to pull the plug on Sakic there. Team is a sinking ship.

 
What are the Canadiens doing?

Lost Markov, Beaulieu, Emelin, Radulov, Sergachev.

Added Alzner, Drouin, Schlemko, Streit, Hemsky, Jerabek

 
Word around the campfire is Granlund and El Niño are looking for 6M per year

But, it is being reported by Michael Russo of the Minneapolis Strib

 
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Going to Vegas for a game vs the Coyotes. Anyone ever been to the arena. Is it close to everything or off the beaten path. 

My wife texted me a little bit ago that she was at a party with Rob Scuderi. Asked if I ever heard of him. Him, I know. Afro guy, still have no idea. 

 
Michael Russo‏ @Russostrib 18h18 hours ago

#mnwild has signed Nino Niederreiter to a five-year deal worth $26.25 million $5.25AAV, sources say. No no-trade protection
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Elliotte Friedman‏ @FriedgeHNIC Jul 30

PIT and Conor Sheary reach a three-year, $9M deal
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AcerFC said:
Going to Vegas for a game vs the Coyotes. Anyone ever been to the arena. Is it close to everything or off the beaten path. 

My wife texted me a little bit ago that she was at a party with Rob Scuderi. Asked if I ever heard of him. Him, I know. Afro guy, still have no idea. 
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The Kings played a preseason game in Vegas every pre-season for the last many years and last year the games were at the new arena instead of the MGM.  The arena is right behind New York, New York.  It is walking distance from the strip.  If you stay at NYNY, Excalibur, MGM, or in that general area you will be fine for walking to the arena. 

I am not sure what it will be like for regular season games but for the two preseason games we went to they only opened up one side for entrance and one side for exit after the game.  It made for a really long time to get out of the arena.

I will be going back for the Kings vs GKnights preseason game in September. 

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
What are the Canadiens doing?

Lost Markov, Beaulieu, Emelin, Radulov, Sergachev.

Added Alzner, Drouin, Schlemko, Streit, Hemsky, Jerabek
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Somewhere in here i think i said MB seems to have no plan. How anyone can suggest the Habs have improved is beyond me.

We need Price to stand on his head every night while our immobile D just keep dumping the puck out and hope Drouin outraces the opponent to the puck.

Solid plan!

:hot:

 
falguy said:
Somewhere in here i think i said MB seems to have no plan. How anyone can suggest the Habs have improved is beyond me.

We need Price to stand on his head every night while our immobile D just keep dumping the puck out and hope Drouin outraces the opponent to the puck.

Solid plan!

:hot:
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Don't dump it in the corner. Drouin is allergic to it.

 
Wings in cap hell?

As of Aug. 1, little more than two months before the season is slated to begin, the Red Wings are sitting more than $3.02 million over the salary cap, and unlike other teams with cap overages — the Toronto Maple Leafs are $3.929 million above the $75-million limit, the Chicago Blackhawks nearly $35,000 — there is no easy way out of the red for Detroit. No, not even by using long-term injured reserve. 
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Johnny Rock said:
And it protects the Wild a bit against injury/concussion risk.
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I don't think there are the injury concerns with him from earlier in his career.  someone in the organization finally got him to wear a helmet that fits a few years ago and he's missed one game in two seasons.  not playing center helps a lot too and doesn't get hit that often. I'd say lock him in longer while you can.  though I'm sure he's pushing for that shorter term to get a bigger payday because he's just starting to show how high he can drive his point totals.

 
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Pastrnak trade rumors are awesome.
 

https://sports.yahoo.com/stanley-cup-odds-sidney-crosby-david-pastrnak-puck-daddy-countdown-150021064.html

Now, with that having been said, here’s the other thing about that “The Bruins’ negotiations with David Pastrnak are going sideways and they might trade him” rumor: For no other franchise in the league would such a rumor be remotely believable. But this is the Bruins we’re talking about.

In chronological order:

In 2005, they traded Joe Thornton, when he was 26.

In 2007, they traded Kris Versteeg, when he was 21.

In 2009, they traded Phil Kessel when he was 22.

In 2011, they traded Blake Wheeler, when he was 23.

In 2013, they traded Tyler Seguin, when he was 21.

In 2015, they traded Dougie Hamilton, when he was 21.

Man, that’s a lot of star players (plus Versteeg, who’s been a useful depth piece forever), almost all traded for negative value during or before their primes, all in consecutive odd-numbered years — fun coincidence — for a decade-plus. And of those trades, only Thornton’s and Wheeler’s were mid-season.

So it’s an odd-numbered year again, and they have a 21-year-old star-in-the-making (he had 70 points last season, people forget that). Then a rumor crops up that he might get traded? You might still take that with a grain of salt, but it’d have to be an awful large grain. Just because, man, look at that track record.

Turns out, it wasn’t in the Bruins’ plans. Or at least, that’s what Don Sweeney said when asked about it. Of course, they might have said the same thing about Hamilton. Or Seguin. Or Wheeler. Or Kessel.
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