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*** 2017 NHL Off-Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Aaron Rudnicki said:
Seems like a mistake for Shattenkirk to settle on a 4-year deal but he gets to play where he wanted. Nice signing. 
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Eh, he's set for life from this deal regardless. Good to see a guy prioritizing a (somewhat) contending team and living where he wants to live over just maxing out on cash IMO.

 
Getzlaf15 said:
He wasn't that good last year. 
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In the regular season, no. He turned it up in the playoffs -- there were a couple of games in which he really provided a spark with his hitting -- plus game 7 against Ottawa. Dude is still a playoff warrior. And one year @ $2 million isn't bad at all.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Eh, he's set for life from this deal regardless. Good to see a guy prioritizing a (somewhat) contending team and living where he wants to live over just maxing out on cash IMO.
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I don't think Shattenkirk left that much cash out there. It is more the length of the deal that is surprising. He didn't look that good in the playoffs with the Caps. So, this gives him a chance to improve his value while he plays with the Rangers and then he can hope to catch on with a contender for a big payday at the end of this deal. He'll only be 32 and can shop himself around again. 

 
What do Pens fans think of Schultz signing for 3 years at $5.5 mill per?

The term is fine, but the $ seem high to me. 

 
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northern exposure said:
What do Pens fans think of Schultz signing for 3 years at $5.5 mill per?

The term is fine, but the $ seem high to me. 
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Would have preferred 5 flat, but keeping him was absolutely essential IMO, considering Letang's propensity to miss time. I'd rather give extra $ than too much term.

ETA: He was damn good last year.

 
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Coeur de Lion said:
Would have preferred 5 flat, but keeping him was absolutely essential IMO, considering Letang's propensity to miss time. I'd rather give extra $ than too much term.

ETA: He was damn good last year.
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Excellent point. I wish Chiarelli would have stood firm on the Russell contract at a 3 year term. I don't really like even 3 x $4 mill for Russell, but it is a helluva lot better than 4 x $4 mill for a 30 year old DMan that they signed late last offseason because nobody else was looking to sign him. 

I think Chiarelli panicked due to the Sekera injury and the fact he probably won't be able to be in the lineup at the start of next season.

 
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northern exposure said:
I don't think Shattenkirk left that much cash out there. It is more the length of the deal that is surprising. He didn't look that good in the playoffs with the Caps. So, this gives him a chance to improve his value while he plays with the Rangers and then he can hope to catch on with a contender for a big payday at the end of this deal. He'll only be 32 and can shop himself around again. 
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I'd be really surprised if he has a $21MM contract on the table at 32. I mean, hope like hell he plays well enough to command that but history says that's when guys fall off. Especially mobile defensemen. 

Hell, Yandle got 7 x 6.4. This is a steal.

 
northern exposure said:
Excellent point. I wish Chiarelli would have stood firm on the Russell contract at a 3 year term. I don't really like even 3 x $4 mill for Russell, but it is a helluva lot better than 4 x $4 mill for a 30 year old DMan that they signed late last offseason because nobody else was looking to sign him. 

I think Chiarelli panicked due to the Sekera injury and the fact he probably won't be able to be in the lineup at the start of next season.
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Yeah, agreed.

Re: Schultz, regardless of his history in Edmonton, he's a 26 year old 51 point +27 RH defenseman who is a very good PP QB and had a great playoffs -- guy was gonna get paid, period. If he back-slides, we can live with 3 years. If he continues to develop, $5.5 is a steal IMO.

 
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Coeur de Lion said:
Yeah, agreed.

Re: Schultz, regardless of his history in Edmonton, he's a 26 year old 51 point +27 defenseman who is a very good PP QB and had a great playoffs -- guy was gonna get paid, period. If he back-slides, we can live with 3 years. If he continues to develop, $5.5 is a steal IMO.
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Schultz never got a fair shake in Edmonton. He came from College hockey and they kicked him into the deep end of the pool as soon as he arrived by playing him in the top 4 or even top pairing minutes. They had a bad team with a lousy D and he was supposed to be the savior. He needed time to adjust to the Pro game and the Oilers didn't give it to him. The fans made him their whipping boy and then he got shipped out of town. 

I'm not surprised he has done well in Pittsburgh. He just needed to build his confidence a bit in the NHL.

 
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I actually like the B's signing of Kenny Agostina. He has about as much chance of hitting as a scratch ticket but he's a cheap gamble 1 @850 

 
HellToupee said:
I actually like the B's signing of Kenny Agostina. He has about as much chance of hitting as a scratch ticket but he's a cheap gamble 1 @850 
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As a Blues fan, I was actually kind of pissed they let Agostino walk. Thought he looked good in his cup of coffee last year and also thought he merited a longer look in 2017-2018. Oh well. At least we got Chris Thorburn. :mellow:  

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Eh, he's set for life from this deal regardless. Good to see a guy prioritizing a (somewhat) contending team and living where he wants to live over just maxing out on cash IMO.
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There was a pretty strong rumor that the Blues and Lightning had a deal in place involving Shattenkirk, Drouin, and other pieces, but it got nixed because Shatty rejected a contract. IIRC, that contract actually paid more than what he's getting from the Rangers PLUS there's the whole "no state income tax" thing in Florida, too.

It was no secret he wanted to be a Ranger. Good on him for getting his wish and getting paid. (Still wanted Drouin though. :hot:  )

 
Inspiration said:
I don't know if you are being serious or not, but I wish Ken Holland would skip July 1st for a couple years. 
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lol...nope being completely serious. Every year there is a ton of hype around today and every year it seems everyone around us gets better and we just sit on our hands. IDK if our GM is not trying hard enough, or UFA's dont want to come here, or whatever...but we never seem to grab any of those prized UFAs—Ever. Plus, with the rangers being right next door, its painful to watch them go on spending sprees (although in fairness, they rarely work out for them).

 
It's a cliche, but also generally true that more mistakes are made 7/1 than the rest of the year combined. Better to completely sit it out than put your team in cap hell by joining the frenzy IMO. Although this year seemed more reasonable overall for the most part, probably d/t the poor quality at the top of the class.

 
Billy Bats said:
Still trying to appreciate the Brayden Schenn trade. While not a fan of his, they subtracted 26 goals from a team that struggled to score. They're expecting better years from Giroux and Voracek and contributions from quite a few kids, that's exciting but scary. I had thought Schenn could've been moved for another established forward, not more draft picks and a cold contract. Two firsts is a nice return though. I know they're a few years from even being considered a "contender", I guess it's weird to see the GM act that way as well. Nevermind the fact that we'll probably see a Bernier/Neuvirth tandem in goal behind a kid defense, could be a rough ride this season again. We won't see the fruits of this trade for 2-3 years at best, so I guess the future is bright. :shrug:  Weird couple days, looking forward to seeing Patrick and what he can do. 

Jax, sport, what are you guys thinking? 
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I'm in the same boat.  Flyers are just in transition.  By the time the kids are ready, who knows what Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds have left.  I'd probably look to move Giroux if the price is right b/c I don't think his game matures well.  But should be an interesting season.  Perhaps I'm getting too greedy too, but I also am worried about them burning a bunch of these young kids cheap years for minimal returns.  We burned a year on Koneckny for pretty much nothing.  I'd rather let some of these kids marinate a bit so we can waterfall their contracts a bit.  

The scoring thing is a bit worrying but I think they rework the PP a bit so they don't miss Schenn as much.  It was more 5 on 5 and their 2nd PP that killed them.  Hopefully Hakstol gets the wrinkles out or he is gone.  Think some of the issue was just their fear of making a mistake on offense.  But I'd love for them to sign a veteran winger like Jagr or Iginla.  Think they could replace Schenn on PP, give them relatively protected minutes and keeps a year on one of the young guys.  

I'm excited about the Elliott signing though.  He seems like he doesn't mind the time-share thing.  And perhaps I'm missing something really obvious but 2-yrs for 2.75 per versus Mason at 4.1mn per seems like a steal.  Elliott is older but Flyers entire goalie situation is $5.25mn which seems pretty reasonable.  

 
sporthenry said:
I'm in the same boat.  Flyers are just in transition.  By the time the kids are ready, who knows what Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds have left.  I'd probably look to move Giroux if the price is right b/c I don't think his game matures well.  But should be an interesting season.  Perhaps I'm getting too greedy too, but I also am worried about them burning a bunch of these young kids cheap years for minimal returns.  We burned a year on Koneckny for pretty much nothing.  I'd rather let some of these kids marinate a bit so we can waterfall their contracts a bit.  

The scoring thing is a bit worrying but I think they rework the PP a bit so they don't miss Schenn as much.  It was more 5 on 5 and their 2nd PP that killed them.  Hopefully Hakstol gets the wrinkles out or he is gone.  Think some of the issue was just their fear of making a mistake on offense.  But I'd love for them to sign a veteran winger like Jagr or Iginla.  Think they could replace Schenn on PP, give them relatively protected minutes and keeps a year on one of the young guys.  

I'm excited about the Elliott signing though.  He seems like he doesn't mind the time-share thing.  And perhaps I'm missing something really obvious but 2-yrs for 2.75 per versus Mason at 4.1mn per seems like a steal.  Elliott is older but Flyers entire goalie situation is $5.25mn which seems pretty reasonable.  
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It sure seems like Hextall is counting on Weal and Lindblom for some offense, especially on power play. Whether Hakstol agrees with the GM we'll see.

Not a Hakstol fan and I don't think he helped the younger players develop. But the front office seems to support him.

Flyers have so many young defense men you have to think they try to trade one for scoring come deadline

 
the Capitals then traded Marcus Johansson to the New Jersey Devils in exchange for a second-round pick (previously belonging to Florida) and third-round pick (previously belonging to Toronto) in the 2018 NHL Draft.

 
So after trading Marcus Johannson to Devils for second and third....

@CapFriendly: With Johansson traded, the #Capitals have $9.2M in cap space with a roster of 14 (8F 5D 1G)

 
ItsOnlytheRiver said:
Quite pleased with the Blues offseason. I'm a lot more confident in their future than I have been the last couple of years. 
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Agreed. Their moves have been pretty smart. If they're able to make Gunnarsson disappear, then it'd truly be a solid offseason.

Also, Klim Kostin looks like a future star based on his performance at the prospect camp the last few days. Shot, size, poise, speed...there's already talk of him being on the NHL roster filling the Perron hole this season. Might be a bit too ambitious, given that he did miss an entire year of hockey because of a bum shoulder.

 
JaxBill said:
Flyers have so many young defense men you have to think they try to trade one for scoring come deadline
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I think it's way too soon to think Hextall would make a deal like that, I wouldn't expect that for a couple seasons until he feels they're that close. He's still adding for the future instead of the now, but hopefully that changes sooner than I'm expecting. With this goalie tandem it doesn't seem promising. 

I guess he did pretty well on the Schenn trade after seeing the return for Johansson. 

 
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Anybody who has seen my posts knows i can be negative - especially when it comes to the Habs. But does anyone who watched them last year think they have improved this off season? We get drouin, great. But Alzner over emelin? Maybe a slight improvement. Maybe. Radulov gone - he really was a heart and sole guy last season. Who replaces his production and play making? We still have no centers. No puck moving defensemen - hell we traded one away for a pick. Quite likely to lose markov.

This will not end well

 
falguy said:
Anybody who has seen my posts knows i can be negative - especially when it comes to the Habs. But does anyone who watched them last year think they have improved this off season? We get drouin, great. But Alzner over emelin? Maybe a slight improvement. Maybe. Radulov gone - he really was a heart and sole guy last season. Who replaces his production and play making? We still have no centers. No puck moving defensemen - hell we traded one away for a pick. Quite likely to lose markov.

This will not end well
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Not sure if they will be good but Drouin is gonna be fun to watch.

 
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