IMO Tevin Coleman and Henry should be 1a and 1b on the "season changer" list.Added him to the Honorable Mention List.
IMO Tevin Coleman and Henry should be 1a and 1b on the "season changer" list.Added him to the Honorable Mention List.
Assuming that's true that's rather interestingComes up every year about this time, but team depth charts on websites are posted by the team PR guys. The coaches dont do it, and no telling how often they update them.
Sometimes they even get used to send messages, or soothe egos.
Washington did tend to see the field ahead of Richard in preseason, which is more significant to me than a team website.
Be safe out there!Guys: please note that I live in Florida and am currently "on the run" from Irma from the last two days so this is the first time I have had a chance to update. I'm safe in Alabama for the moment but might have to hit the road again any moment pending Irma's trajectory.
My thoughts and prayers are with all the folks who did not have the time and resources to "get out" as I did.
This is no excuse for not giving RB lotto ticket updates! Priorities!Guys: please note that I live in Florida and am currently "on the run" from Irma from the last two days so this is the first time I have had a chance to update. I'm safe in Alabama for the moment but might have to hit the road again any moment pending Irma's trajectory.
My thoughts and prayers are with all the folks who did not have the time and resources to "get out" as I did.
Good Call @Statorama - added your comment to the West bullet in the thread.Watch for West to get dropped in a lot of leagues (with Hunt's performance), worth stashing given how good the o-line looked Thursday.
I'll be stashing if droppedWatch for West to get dropped in a lot of leagues (with Hunt's performance), worth stashing given how good the o-line looked Thursday.
be safeGuys: please note that I live in Florida and am currently "on the run" from Irma from the last two days so this is the first time I have had a chance to update. I'm safe in Alabama for the moment but might have to hit the road again any moment pending Irma's trajectory.
My thoughts and prayers are with all the folks who did not have the time and resources to "get out" as I did.
Added DEN Henderson and CLE Duke to the Honorables List.Hard to believe no De'angelo Henderson from DEN. That backfield is wide open and dude has skills.
Also can't believe no Duke Johnson. Do people not see him as cheap enough to be a "lotto ticket"? Because he has mad upside and he's no more expensive that Coleman or others on this list.
Added your comments to the Booker bullet.I'll be the guy to vouch for post-hype Devontae Booker at some point this season...
Actually Henderson was already on there (and he's now listed twice), not sure how I missed him.Added DEN Henderson and CLE Duke to the Honorables List.
Unfortunately he may not have the cerebral profile to put it all together if Sunday's display is anything to go on.I know we have been down this road before but Dwayne Washington in Detroit is a dark horse for sure. AA has done nothing of note there and Riddick is strictly the passing downs back. Washington has the athletic profile to be amazing if he can put it together.
Added DET D WashingtonI know we have been down this road before but Dwayne Washington in Detroit is a dark horse for sure. AA has done nothing of note there and Riddick is strictly the passing downs back. Washington has the athletic profile to be amazing if he can put it together.
@iamkoza -
- To me a "lotto ticket" player is someone who currently not startable in fantasy, but due to injury or performance in games, become a true consistent startable asset. A guy who if things fall the right way might be a flex play for you is not someone i would classify as a lotto ticket. just my 2 cents and my suggested revisions. my thoughts are geared to redraft leagues where i am looking at who could potentially have good value this season.
- would there be any value in parsing this list to "in an instant could be very valuable" and then another group if A and B happen... then maybe...
- OP, thank you for starting the thread. can i suggest you keep the most current list in the 1st post of the thread?
Just my opinion, but I watched all his snaps last year and it was ugly. He may have the athletic profile but I'm very skeptical he can be even an average RB.I know we have been down this road before but Dwayne Washington in Detroit is a dark horse for sure. AA has done nothing of note there and Riddick is strictly the passing downs back. Washington has the athletic profile to be amazing if he can put it together.
That seems to be the consensus and that is why the OAK situation is on the Honorable Mentions list.I don't think there is a lottery ticket behind Lynch in Oakland. While I think Richard has more spark and is a little more dynamic so far, Washington is a decent talent and if Lynch goes down, pretty sure it would be a pure split backfield with these two, a 50/50 timeshare with FB Olawale sprinkled in on short yardage/stripe carries.
I agree. Getting injured the first game you have a chance to perform leaves a bad taste for sure. Still, Detroit chooses to have him active on game day and they are giving him carries. There is a chance he puts it together. AA hasn't put a complete game together either and that presents opportunity for Washington. He is definitely a back bencher in deeper leagues and by definition a lotto pickup.Dwayne Washington had exactly the opportunity you'd look for last year with AA missing most of the year, and he did zip. He's off my radar. Too many other options that haven't already failed miserably.
SPARQXPLOOOOOOOOODESSSS!!!1?1!2?1?@?I know we have been down this road before but Dwayne Washington in Detroit is a dark horse for sure. AA has done nothing of note there and Riddick is strictly the passing downs back. Washington has the athletic profile to be amazing if he can put it together.
Seems like a JAG. Wasn't impressed with anything he did last year. AA has shown explosiveness in the past. He had a tough matchup last week and another tough one this week then it's easy sailingI agree. Getting injured the first game you have a chance to perform leaves a bad taste for sure. Still, Detroit chooses to have him active on game day and they are giving him carries. There is a chance he puts it together. AA hasn't put a complete game together either and that presents opportunity for Washington. He is definitely a back bencher in deeper leagues and by definition a lotto pickup.
Williams (and guys like DET Washington) hold no interest for me. In both instances you're holding a virtual zero without an injury, and even then your most likely scenario is a timeshare back at best, on a team that's already shown they'd be perfectly happy throwing the ball 45 times a game instead.Don't waste your time with Jamaal Williams. If Ty goes down, Aaron Jones will emerge as the best back in GB. But Ty has looked pretty good week 1, so I am not sure he loses the job on performance; it will take an injury at this point
I agree. It all depends on bench depth. Short to medium bench leagues I wouldn't hold a guy like Washington DET or Williams. Deep bench, sure why not, but those guys are probably drafted in deep bench leagues.Williams (and guys like DET Washington) hold no interest for me. In both instances you're holding a virtual zero without an injury, and even then your most likely scenario is a timeshare back at best, on a team that's already shown they'd be perfectly happy throwing the ball 45 times a game instead.
I'd hold someone like Chris Ivory or Rex Burkhead 10 out of 10 times over those guys.
You say that with a lot of confidence. Is there something supporting that conclusion or is it your opinion?Don't waste your time with Jamaal Williams. If Ty goes down, Aaron Jones will emerge as the best back in GB. But Ty has looked pretty good week 1, so I am not sure he loses the job on performance; it will take an injury at this point
I recall seeing some camp quotes to that effect a few weeks ago.You say that with a lot of confidence. Is there something supporting that conclusion or is it your opinion?
These are two great questions right now.Especially is Mike Tolbert now the #2 - is he a potential King Maker if Shady goes down?
I think it's worth asking what sort of fantasy value Tolbert would deliver, at his age (31), in that offense, even with McCoy out.These are two great questions right now.
McCoy nursing groin injury. Still expected to play but definitely worth monitoring.
It is a good question. I think his upside is Leroy Hoard at 31. Mostly because there is a dearth of RB talent behind him so the opportunities should be there...at least until they sign Ryan Matthews.I think it's worth asking what sort of fantasy value Tolbert would deliver, at his age (31), in that offense, even with McCoy out.
An opinion formulated from camp and preseason reports. Jones looked like a more complete back. Even after the draft the analysis was that Williams was more of a situational back and Jones was considered "the most complete of all the rookies" - quoted from somewhere. I think even Yahoo or Roto analysis said that it would be a time share but Jones getting most of the work not Williams should Monty go down.I recall seeing some camp quotes to that effect a few weeks ago.You say that with a lot of confidence. Is there something supporting that conclusion or is it your opinion?
As another poster mentioned, if Montgomery goes down, it'd be a messy RBBC sharing a handful of carries while Rodgers chucks it 50 times a game.
Again I am not sure how these conclusions are drawn. Not saying you are wrong but Jones had 11 more catches in college (with a slightly lower Y/C), point being it isn't like BYU didn't trust Williams in the passing game. We really don't know much about them as players from the blurbs coming out of OTAs and TC, written by people trying to catch eyeballs more than provide great analysis. My opinion is that, in the event of a Montgomery injury it's gonna be a full blown committee between Williams, Jones and Rip. However the good thing about McCarthy is that, unlike a lot of coaches, he may actually settle on one back to be the lead but I doubt it happens until he rotates them for a couple weeks.An opinion formulated from camp and preseason reports. Jones looked like a more complete back. Even after the draft the analysis was that Williams was more of a situational back and Jones was considered "the most complete of all the rookies" - quoted from somewhere. I think even Yahoo or Roto analysis said that it would be a time share but Jones getting most of the work not Williams should Monty go down.
Williams looked awful in preseason too. Jones and Mays looked incredible (by comparison). Jones and Mays can catch, Williams is not as good at that. Jones is a better pass blocker as well.
Aaron Jones was #2 or #3 SPARQ score amongst all rookie RBs.Again I am not sure how these conclusions are drawn. Not saying you are wrong but Jones had 11 more catches in college (with a slightly lower Y/C), point being it isn't like BYU didn't trust Williams in the passing game. We really don't know much about them as players from the blurbs coming out of OTAs and TC, written by people trying to catch eyeballs more than provide great analysis. My opinion is that, in the event of a Montgomery injury it's gonna be a full blown committee between Williams, Jones and Rip. However the good thing about McCarthy is that, unlike a lot of coaches, he may actually settle on one back to be the lead but I doubt it happens until he rotates them for a couple weeks.
IMO picking the guy behind Monty feels like a dart throw more than anything.
A few quotes:RB Aaron Jones – 88.2-percentile SPARQ score (2017 RB #2)
What makes Jones’ SPARQ score even more impressive is that the metric doesn’t even account for height, and perhaps his most impressive Combine stat was a staggering 37.5″ vertical jump (and 10’7″ broad jump) at 5’9″. Aaron Rodgers has simply never had a running back this fast and explosive catching passes for him out of the backfield. Even 7th round pick Devante Mays, who was Green Bay’s third running back selected, came in at RB7 on the list (among drafted RBs). Defenses around the NFC should be very, very concerned.
(people were salivating over Dixon for 2 years)He has great hands and is a more capable receiver than simply catching dump offs out of the backfield. It’s easy to see Jones being able to slide in on plays that Ty Montgomery needs off and have the offense not miss a beat.
Did I mention that Jones was 4th last season in the FBS in yards? Ahead of early-round picks like Christian McCaffrey and Dalvin Cook.
At the NFL level, Jones’ best comparison might be Kenneth Dixon in Baltimore (another CUSA alum out of Louisiana Tech). Dixon’s size (5’10”, 215 lbs.) is relatively similar to Jones and the combine measures are eerily analogous: (image)
Williams:
Packers director of football operations Eliot Wolf described Williams as a “classic, between the tackles” running back. The former BYU star fits the bill, with a strong, muscular build and an aggressive, physical running style. Williams isn’t going to win a footrace to the corner or hit home runs by outrunning a safety, but he’ll pick a lane and power through the first line of defense as a strong and decisive zone runner. If the Packers want to line up in the traditional formations and run the ball, Williams can answer the call.
Jones:
The modern NFL running back needs to do a little bit of everything. Jones can do a little bit of everything. Not only is he big enough and quick enough to handle all the responsibilities in the run game, but he’s also an elite athlete, a dynamic receiver and a tackle-breaking machine in the open field. Think of the way the Falcons use Devonta Freeman in Atlanta. The Packers could turn Jones into a similar style of weapon in Green Bay. He has all the physical attributes and athletic measurables necessary to become a multidimensional NFL running back for the modern game.
(James Starks? Eh...)Best James Starks comparison: Jamaal Williams
Starks carved out a fine, seven-year career as a slashing, complementary running back. Williams could do the same. A one-cut runner with the balance and power to run through arm tackles, Williams should be an ideal fit for the Packers’ zone-run scheme. He’s also stronger and more physical at first contact than Starks. Williams doesn’t have to be a lead back for the Packers, but his physicality and run style could be valuable assets in Green Bay for years.
That's two James Starks comparisons...Williams:
He has a much different style than Ty Montgomery, the Packers receiver turned running back. He’s more of a bruising, aggressive runner, so he could serve as a nice complement to Montgomery’s versatility. Williams’ upright running style resembles former Packers running back James Starks.
Jones:
At 5-foot-9 1/2 and 208 pounds, he's a different body type than Williams (6-0, 212). Williams is more of a bruising runner between the tackles, while Jones has more quick-twitch ability. They could be perfect complements to each other and to the returning Ty Montgomery.
“Teams that say they want a running back by committee,” Packers senior personnel executive Alonzo Highsmith said, “it’s because they don’t have one running back.”