2017 World Series Thread: Cosjobs washes his shirt & dooms the Astros to a game 7 (1 Viewer)

[Eephus]

Great article on Charlie Morton’s resurgence. Cool story.

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/charlie-morton-was-baseball-in-2017/

I think this is the key paragraph

And for all the talk of market inefficiencies and roster construction, this feels like the area where data and analysis are really changing the game. For most of the last 20 years, the statistical revolution was about helping the front office figure out which players weren’t being properly valued. These days, however, the data is being used not to just identify potential bargains, but to help the players themselves become something they weren’t previously.

greater access to data and video has changed the way the game is coached.

 

[belljr]

I think this is the key paragraph

greater access to data and video has changed the way the game is coached.

I'm not a big data guy - above some of your "normal" stats, when it comes to a players worth/performance.     To be honest some just seem completely made up  

However, I'm a huge believer in using data when it comes to player development and growth. - if that makes sense

 

[culdeus]

I think there is some valid worry that there is now growing evidence that powertanking can yield championships.  Both Chicago and Houston to an extent just purged their entire veteran staff, sucked HARD, and bought up prospect talent and prayed.

For Houston, you had a unique situation where the entire city didn't even see this as they for all intents weren't on TV for that timeframe.  It's as if they vanished from the planet, and came back stronger.  It is a hard thing to sell to a fanbase, but now there is proof yo can make this work.

 

[Eephus]

I think there is some valid worry that there is now growing evidence that powertanking can yield championships.  Both Chicago and Houston to an extent just purged their entire veteran staff, sucked HARD, and bought up prospect talent and prayed.

For Houston, you had a unique situation where the entire city didn't even see this as they for all intents weren't on TV for that timeframe.  It's as if they vanished from the planet, and came back stronger.  It is a hard thing to sell to a fanbase, but now there is proof yo can make this work.

Yeah, I posted about this in the Hot Stove thread.  The Astros had the advantages of new ownership and front-office organization who had little interest in short-term performance.  This isn't common in professional sports where egos and job protection are real factors.  The post-Ilitch Tigers appear to be heading down this path but are stuck with big bucks contracts for Cabrera and Zimmerman.

The current MLB CBA makes it harder to give top draft picks below slot deals and use the cost savings to overpay HS prospects in later rounds.

I think tanking is harder than in basketball because of larger rosters and higher uncertainty around top prospects.   Even the Astros went 1 for 3 with their three consecutive #1 overall selections.  Correa has been everything they expected but Appel was a bust and Aiken didn't even sign (Houston got a nice consolation prize in Alex Bregman).   The draft is only one element of building an organization and arguably a less important one than in the other major North American sports.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I think there is some valid worry that there is now growing evidence that powertanking can yield championships.  Both Chicago and Houston to an extent just purged their entire veteran staff, sucked HARD, and bought up prospect talent and prayed.

For Houston, you had a unique situation where the entire city didn't even see this as they for all intents weren't on TV for that timeframe.  It's as if they vanished from the planet, and came back stronger.  It is a hard thing to sell to a fanbase, but now there is proof yo can make this work.

https://twitter.com/samhinkie/status/926137620492460032

 

[shuke]

I didn't say what I was going to do.  I said crap as I realized they were at the same time.  Which I realized as I was typing the first sentence.

But yes I'm going to the movie.  Would have watched the parade on TV anyway.

So dumb.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Thor will be there tomorrow.  The parade won't.

Terrible decision.

 

[GregR]

I post the parade time to be helpful and get a bunch of judgmental ####### as a result.

If I decide the stress fractures in my leg can't handle the walk into downtown and 6 hours on my feet, that's my choice. 

You can take your unsolicited opinions and shove them.

 

[Zegras11]

@cosjobs

Dodger Parade

 

[Capella]

I post the parade time to be helpful and get a bunch of judgmental ####### as a result.

If I decide the stress fractures in my leg can't handle the walk into downtown and 6 hours on my feet, that's my choice. 

You can take your unsolicited opinions and shove them.

I can understand not standing in the hot weather amongst thousands of dumb ###holes to watch a float go by. That seems like it could be fun and torture at the same time. 

Missing it on tv to see a movie you can literally watch any other time is odd to me. But to each their own. 

 

[shuke]

I post the parade time to be helpful and get a bunch of judgmental ####### as a result.

If I decide the stress fractures in my leg can't handle the walk into downtown and 6 hours on my feet, that's my choice. 

You can take your unsolicited opinions and shove them.

 sorry dude just busting balls.

I hope you enjoyed your comic book movie.

 

[cosjobs]

 sorry dude just busting balls.

I hope you enjoyed your comic book movie.

I was referring no going. Then I saw it on TV and the weather and was so so happy I didn't go. Saw Thor last night. It was better than the parade

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Astros

(possibly NSFW due to language in the last couple seconds, so mute if you're at work).