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2018 NHL Thread: Cappy is happy while the rest of us pray to the ping pong gods for Tuesday night (1 Viewer)
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Northern Voice
Footballguy
I disagree with basically all of this as well. In 2015/2016 the U.S. networks used Toronto Blue Jays fans as the benchmark that other teams had to live up to "It's Toronto loud right now". Raptors game are much louder and have way more atmosphere than Leafs games as well, TFC too FWIW.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Anaheim might be done, but they're not quite as done as Florida is. Good things the Panthers cleared out all those analytics guys (and Marchessault and Smith and...)In other news, Montreal gets 52 saves from their backup in a 5 1 win.
Tied with the B's 1 point behind the Gardiners. (Oh sure theyve played 3 more games but still worth pointing out)
Leafs fans don’t ####### shut up when they come to Sabres games. I don’t think the obnoxious ones (which is most of them) are particularly reserved. Canada is a great place but they have a lot of #######s too.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
BRING BACK DART GUY
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
they take over the X every year. but so do several fan bases. Minnesotans sit on their hands just like the home Leaf fans.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
hopefully they have a couple holdovers still to let them know that they're actually pretty good based on the underlying stats. they're the new Canes only the Canes are still kind of the Canes. Marchessault and Smith not exactly ripping it up this year either.Anaheim might be done, but they're not quite as done as Florida is. Good things the Panthers cleared out all those analytics guys (and Marchessault and Smith and...)
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
Chiarelli is already shopping Puljujarvi? this should end well. how many top picks can one organization screw up?
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Overview of potential trade targets/needs prior to the deadline. Landscap
Prior to 2015 back to 2003, they averaged out to 22nd overall in attendance. Which I'd argue is more the team norm.
In other news, ESPNs hot takes on potential trades before the deadline:
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25769640/nhl-trade-deadline-preview-possible-moves-watch-all-31-teams
A lot can happen in ~20 games so landscape/needs will change, but I think it's a good start.
Ducks in full implosion mode now. Panthers with the opposite momentum of the Jets and Sharks.
And I disagree with using a year when Toronto was Top 3 in MLB attendance as your yardstick.
Prior to 2015 back to 2003, they averaged out to 22nd overall in attendance. Which I'd argue is more the team norm.
In other news, ESPNs hot takes on potential trades before the deadline:
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25769640/nhl-trade-deadline-preview-possible-moves-watch-all-31-teams
A lot can happen in ~20 games so landscape/needs will change, but I think it's a good start.
Ducks in full implosion mode now. Panthers with the opposite momentum of the Jets and Sharks.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
You're moving the goalposts again. We weren't talking about attendance, obviously the Leafs get great attendance. We were talking about if Toronto fans make noise and Jays fans (like Raptors and TFC fans) do, even when the crowds are smaller.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Their forwards are, Carolina has about 10 defencemen better than anyone past Florida's #3, and that's being kind and assuming Matheson will find his game.
Florida would kill to have the Oilers (healthy) defense at this point.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
You don't correlate noise generated by fans by the number of fans in the building? OK then. Next time I'm at games I'll bring my decibel reader and generate a longitudinal study. Better than illustrating a trend using a single data point.
Not sure what (or why) we're arguing about anymore, happy to move on.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Not with Maple Leafs fans, that's the whole point. There are the same number of fans there as in Montreal, Boston, Chicago etc... or as Raptors, small crowd Blue Jays, Toronto FC... and the Maple Leafs are the quietest and ####tiest of all by a mile.
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Bill Brasky
Footballguy
yeah. their goaltending numbers have taken a lot of heat but if you watch that team they give up so many quality chances. but the goaltending isn't great either.
E Street Brat
Footballguy
Wait, Your not from Texas?Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Why do people have such deceiving names and avatars?
Stompin Tom brought this gem to the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxJvrD80nJ4
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
E Street Brat
Footballguy
Huh. Learn something new everyday.
Avatar looks Gary Sinise from some western movie,
Avatar looks Gary Sinise from some western movie,
Zegras11
Footballguy
wasn't playing any defense. -11 in his last 8 games with only 1 pt. maybe the latter also.
@Bill Brasky what's the story on Kloos?
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
former Gopher who was awesome in college. tweener in the pros that is great in the A but probably never will get a consistent top 6 look to stick in the NHL, especially since he’s already 25.
free Aberg. why not? no risk move.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
what was your favorite World Cup moment?
Zegras11
Footballguy
Edm and Ana said the same thing, and then both coaches got so pissed at him, they got rid of him.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
Wild having lots of problems scoring lately and no cap room. worth the free dice roll even if he’s a flawed player.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Ryan Spooner going to be dealt again to someone who wants passable offense and absolutely no defense. Him and Hitchcock are so obviously not going to work.
AcerFC
Footballguy
Im not quite sure what the Rangers are waiting for. The longer they wait, the worse of a return they are going to get. Hoping to get at least one first and prospects for each of Hayes and Krieder.
At this point if they can get 3rd rounders for Zuuc and Mcquaid, I will be ecstatic.
At this point if they can get 3rd rounders for Zuuc and Mcquaid, I will be ecstatic.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
Murray is active. trying small tweaks before he really mixes it up?
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Good analysis. Aberg never seemed to come to fruition as a "real gud pro" -- the first half of the season might have just been a smokeshow, he seemed lacking in areas a wingman shoudl be solid at (such as the dump and chase), and his scoring dried up. First Nashville dumps him, then Edmonton, now with the Ducks trying anything to salvage anything this season, and able to dump him pretty much for free -- why not shake it up?
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
Fenton was a part of the team that drafted him so I expect he'll get a decent look. they always can use more skill/creativity so hopefully it gives them a bit of a spark because despite playing pretty well over the last couple months they have not been able to finish consistently. this is nothing new for this group though.
problem is they have a lot of wingers and Greenway/Kunin have both progressed well this season so not a lot of room to slot him in. if he does make some kind of an impact I can see them shipping out an established player and trying to make some sort of hockey trade.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
The only thing that concerns me is that one of the biggest knocks against Fletcher was that he stayed in love with his own draft picks for way too long and would never let go. Now we bring in a new GM and his only move to date is to bring in one of his old draft picks that has now been moved three times already. Oh, but with his apparent lack of effort, he'll fit well in the Wild locker room.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
why would you be concerned about a move that cost nothing and carries zero risk? even if he plays 4th line for three games and is put on waivers it doesn’t hurt anything. it only has upside.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Not concerned in the sense that the move will hurt the team. Obviously it doesn't have any risk, as you said. My concern was more about that all Fenton has done so far is go grab one of his old rejects. It's hard to tell what he thinks of this team since he basically won't even talk to the media off the record. But word from other teams is that his offers are just ridiculous so far. He's apparently way overvaluing his players. And he doesn't seem to have a real grasp on contracts, salary cap and no-trade clauses, etc. We'll see what happens. They need to rip the band aid off and blow this thing up. Team is going nowhere. Rebuild is going to take years. Might as well get started by selling Staal and others at the deadline. Sure hope they don't go trying to add anything that would require them giving up picks or young players.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Michael Del Zotto for Luke Schenn is really quite a trade.
Those guys feel so much older than Pietrangelo, Gardiner, Karlsson, Bogosian and the other guys drafted in the 2008 draft.
Not Doughty though, probably because he's looked like a 35 year old vet for most of his career.
Those guys feel so much older than Pietrangelo, Gardiner, Karlsson, Bogosian and the other guys drafted in the 2008 draft.
Not Doughty though, probably because he's looked like a 35 year old vet for most of his career.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
link to word from the other teams? I'm not sure what you're referencing.BeTheMatch said:
I'm not sure how you can glean so much from a guy who has virtually no track record yet and has been on the job for 6 months. and probably doesn't get hired by Leipold if he tells him he does want to blow it up.
blowing it up is fine since the window as it is currently structured is closing. but again, guy isn't getting hired if he recommends that. and if you don't blow it up coming in then standing pat was the best scenario because there isn't much you could do coming into this year since many of the guys you can move would be selling low and you don't have any cap room to buy. hockey trades were pretty tough to pull off with what he was tied to (NMC and guys you can move coming off low point seasons) and you don't see a lot of blockbusters this time of year because most teams are pretty locked into what they got.
maybe Fenton sucks, who knows. but at this point I think your frustrations are in the wrong guy.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Not to focus too much on the team of my own personal interest, but a pretty big game for the Leafs against the Lightning tonight.
Chance to get back to being one of the top 5 NHL teams, and close the current 16 point gap that now exists (which was only 6 last time they met last month).
Even with a loss (which wouldn't be disastrous as it's still in midseason and a long way from the playoffs), the Leafs pretty much need to show some grit and fire to get out of the mud they seem to be currently stuck in, and show more to themselves than anyone else that they are capable and able of competing with the clear premiere team of the league.
For the Lightning, and the rest of the league, it's just another game. For the Leafs, seems like more than that.
Jets/Preds another really good game to keep an eye on tonight given the fierce competition atop the Central. Wonder if Saros gets the nod to rest Rinne that much more. Laviolette can afford to, the guy has a gaudy SV% of .966 over the last 6.
Chance to get back to being one of the top 5 NHL teams, and close the current 16 point gap that now exists (which was only 6 last time they met last month).
Even with a loss (which wouldn't be disastrous as it's still in midseason and a long way from the playoffs), the Leafs pretty much need to show some grit and fire to get out of the mud they seem to be currently stuck in, and show more to themselves than anyone else that they are capable and able of competing with the clear premiere team of the league.
For the Lightning, and the rest of the league, it's just another game. For the Leafs, seems like more than that.
Jets/Preds another really good game to keep an eye on tonight given the fierce competition atop the Central. Wonder if Saros gets the nod to rest Rinne that much more. Laviolette can afford to, the guy has a gaudy SV% of .966 over the last 6.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
I think I'm most curious to see how many Boston can put past Jake Allen tonight.
Over/under 30.5 minutes before he gets hooked.
Over/under 30.5 minutes before he gets hooked.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Say what?
@CapFriendly: TRADE:
To Carolina #Hurricanes:
F Nino Niederreiter
To Minnesota #Wild
F Victor Rask
https://www.capfriendly.com/trades
@CapFriendly: TRADE:
To Carolina #Hurricanes:
F Nino Niederreiter
To Minnesota #Wild
F Victor Rask
https://www.capfriendly.com/trades
JaxBill
Footballguy
Analytics guy says
@IneffectiveMath: Nino Niederreiter (to Carolina) is a very strong defensive player with decent offensive impacts and a good shot. Victor Rask (to Minnesota) is none of those things. This trade is dreadful for the Wild. https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/1085996010646597632/photo/1
@IneffectiveMath: Nino Niederreiter (to Carolina) is a very strong defensive player with decent offensive impacts and a good shot. Victor Rask (to Minnesota) is none of those things. This trade is dreadful for the Wild. https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/1085996010646597632/photo/1
Not sure what the point of that trade is for the Wild but certainly seems like Fenton is getting ready to blow things up.
Fenton with the worst trade of 2019.
"hold my beer" - Chiarelli
"hold my beer" - Chiarelli
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Is it to dump salary and years? Nino has been HORRIBLE. If Rask doesn't have years, I love the move.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I see he's got three years left after this with a modified NTC the final two. Now I'm not as happy.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
not even one example? the one rumored deal that was public was the Domi deal which even in hindsight with Domi's strong season looked like low return back. in the offseason it appeared that Fenton was getting lowballed because teams knew the pressure was on him, not the other way around. so I'm not sure what specific deals you're referring to.
personally I don't get the anxiety, particularly right now. I mean, if you want to blow it up then that should have been the drum being beaten 2-3 years ago when it was becoming clear what the younger core was materializing into. it's never been a dominant, league leading team nor will it be but it has been a 100+ point team for several years and while it hasn't materialized in the playoffs sometimes it just doesn't happen. IMO you ride that while the older core is still productive because there aren't a lot of small fixes unless you get lucky on a hockey deal/are buddies with Chiarelli and frankly I can't really blame an owner for not wanting to tear down a still quality team with a window because that is a painful process. and from what I've seen this year it's still the same overall process/play that produced in recent years. yeah it would be great to have a rooster like Tampa and then whine about how you can't win a cup just because you don't have Stan but you don't see teams built that well too often without bottoming out for several years. and the Wild never did that, instead building off a mediocre team that was mostly producing picks in the high middle of the draft. good, not great. tough spot in a difficult central. probably don't get lucky and make a run but IMO that's where your money is best placed for a little while longer with what they are tied up with.
EDIT- that's what I typed out a while ago before I went into a meeting and forgot to hit enter. now I see the Nino deal and well, that's the danger in trying to make a hockey trade at this time of year with a guy who couldn't have had a worse last 12 months. Rask is a decent bottom 6 player but I'm not sure where this gets you and he just signed a new deal so it's not like you're saving cap room there.
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