They're progressing. They have a top 10 player in the league, some expiring contracts, some interesting young players. The Dieng and Wiggins contracts really hurt them, but the new GM seems to have a new vision and has been really aggressive. Also, I said Wiggins was never called the next Lebron, not disputing your Wiggins comment, even if I think it's a bit over blown.Wiggins has a horrible reputation in the league. Underachiever, not a player to build around, etc.
Minnesota is a mess.
It could still happen! He's very athletic!Wiggins was supposed to be a great defender for whatever reason.
I don't know too much about Ryan Saunders, but I watched an interview with him and he came off as very intelligent, both intellectually and emotionally. He talked about his father, and the bond they had, and then he went into X's and O's about the team, and was very detailed about how he thought basketball should be played.They're progressing. They have a top 10 player in the league, some expiring contracts, some interesting young players. The Dieng and Wiggins contracts really hurt them, but the new GM seems to have a new vision and has been really aggressive. Also, I said Wiggins was never called the next Lebron, not disputing your Wiggins comment, even if I think it's a bit over blown.
Also I don't know if you heard but the Wolves signed Jake Layman.
I like him a lot. The Wolves seem to finally have some smart guys in place and they have a star. Who knows how long this takes to get competitive, but if KAT forces a trade in a couple years I'll burn Target Center to the ground.I don't know too much about Ryan Saunders, but I watched an interview with him and he came off as very intelligent, both intellectually and emotionally. He talked about his father, and the bond they had, and then he went into X's and O's about the team, and was very detailed about how he thought basketball should be played.
Very impressive, young dude.
Would love a LAK/LAC series. Would be the first time in sports history that there was a playoff series between teams that share the same stadium.Way too early NBA West rankings - LAC / LAL are probably the best two teams in the West, but don't overlook Utah/Denver, especially as regular season teams that will be tough to beat.
Disagree if he leads a loser franchise like the Clippers to a champion to go along with giving Canada their first championship that’s a feat no one in NBA history has done. The fact he’s still in his prime absolutely it elevates him into that category. Seriously how many guys have lead 3 different franchises to NBA titles?Just Win Baby said:If Kawhi leads the Clippers to the title this season, it elevates his status quite a bit. But in the conversation for GOAT? Not a chance. Come on, man.
That would be awesome. Like barium enema awesome.Deamon said:Would love a LAK/LAC series. Would be the first time in sports history that there was a playoff series between teams that share the same stadium.
That guy is killing it, what's his latest?real lowkey source, but a reporter that works for Rogers Sportsnet (broadcaster of NBA in canada) says he spoke to ppl in the raps organization who say he's signing here.
They do?Frostillicus said:They have a top 10 player in the league
Jordan (15 seasons): 6 championships, 6 Finals MVPs, 5 MVPs, ROY, DPOY, 10 1st team All NBA selections, and 9 1st team All Defensive selections; averaged 30.1 ppg for his career, which is #1 in NBA historyDisagree if he leads a loser franchise like the Clippers to a champion to go along with giving Canada their first championship that’s a feat no one in NBA history has done. The fact he’s still in his prime absolutely it elevates him into that category. Seriously how many guys have lead 3 different franchises to NBA titles?Just Win Baby said:If Kawhi leads the Clippers to the title this season, it elevates his status quite a bit. But in the conversation for GOAT? Not a chance. Come on, man.
i didn’t say that would make him the goat but he most certainly joins the conversation if he leads the Clippers to a title.
A case can be made that Towns has as much claim to top ten player in the league as Embiid, Jokic, and George, IMO. Not sure I would go that far, but the dude is really ####### good, and only 23 years old at thatThey do?
In no particular order: Leonard, Curry, Durant, Lebron, Giannis, Harden, Davis, Embiid, Jokic, George. I don't think any of them play for Minnesota.
St Louis Cardinals and St Louis Browns played the 1944 World Series in Sportsmans ParkDeamon said:Would love a LAK/LAC series. Would be the first time in sports history that there was a playoff series between teams that share the same stadium.
Nice didn't know about those. Did a quick search but mainly looked at Staples and jets/giants. Either way it's been quite some time and would be cool. A series with zero travel, the players swapping locker rooms ever few games, etc.St Louis Cardinals and St Louis Browns played the 1944 World Series in Sportsmans Park
Might have been some others long ago in NY at Polo Grounds
ETA. 21 and 22 World Series between Yankees and Giants played at Polo Grounds
Was about to say many of the same things. The league is so different now with movement, I find it hard to go over the top on the "3 different teams" thing. It's like saying Carr and Cousins are better qbs than Montana because they both threw 4000 yards this season and Joe never did that.Jordan has 6 championships, 6 Finals MVPs, 5 MVPs, ROY, DPOY, 10 1st team All NBA selections, and 9 1st team All Defensive selections
Leonard has 2 championships, 2 Finals MVPs, 0 MVPs, 2 DPOYs, 2 1st team All NBA selections, and 3 1st team All Defensive selections
No matter what Leonard does this season, it does not put him in any serious conversation for GOAT. If he has 5 more dominant seasons, maybe it could happen, but they would have to be truly dominant, with a lot of earned honors/awards in addition to more championships. He has a long way to go just to crack the top 25 players of all-time, much less get into the GOAT conversation.
Leading 3 franchises to championships hasn't been done because we have only just reached this era of frequent movement of elite players between franchises. Someone will be the first to do it, but that by itself doesn't equate to GOAT discussion.
And, despite winning Finals MVP in 2013-14, Duncan was still the better player in that playoff run, averaging more points on better shooting, more rebounds, more assists, more blocks, and fewer turnovers. This past season was the only one in which Leonard was the alpha player on a championship team.
KAT is a really good player. I think it's fair to say he is a top 20 player. But he has been in the league 4 seasons and his most significant honor/award is making 3rd team All NBA a single time (2017-18).A case can be made that Towns has as much claim to top ten player in the league as Embiid, Jokic, and George, IMO. Not sure I would go that far, but the dude is really ####### good, and only 23 years old at thatThey do?
In no particular order: Leonard, Curry, Durant, Lebron, Giannis, Harden, Davis, Embiid, Jokic, George. I don't think any of them play for Minnesota.
He was VERY hyped coming out. I remember lots of talk of teams tanking to get him.Frostillicus said:Andrew Wiggins averaged 6.5 rebounds and 1.5 assists per game in college. Even if you had never watched him play you would have to be literally insane to compare him to Lebron. Maybe Vince Carter or someone like that, but literally nobody compared him to Lebron. You guys are really pissing me off today.
Well, Fultz was also the unanimous #1 overall pick the year he came out.He was VERY hyped coming out. I remember lots of talk of teams tanking to get him.
"Many pundits feel that he could turn out to be an even better pro than Anthony Davis. Wiggins was the unanimous choice for the # 1 spot this year and for good reason. He possesses the special athleticism that separates very good players from great players. To round out his athleticism, he has matured and become more assertive and his refined skill package is a result of that. His jump shot from deep and in the midrange departments have greatly increased and he is more aggressive than he's ever been. His handle, speed off the dribble and ability to get to the rim are "Kobe-esque". There were times this Spring when he simply looked like a man amongst boys. The alarming thing about it is that he still has a long way to go to become the type of player he is capable of. He is a special talent and has unlimited potential. If he continues to stay hungry and work to improve, we're looking at the game's next superstar. "
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/andrew-wiggins
I agree that he can be in the conversation for the last couple spots in the top 10.A case can be made that Towns has as much claim to top ten player in the league as Embiid, Jokic, and George, IMO. Not sure I would go that far, but the dude is really ####### good, and only 23 years old at that
Jokic is an A+++ passer, but KAT is better in the other offensive aspects (40% from three on a high volume!). Those two are definitely in the same tier. I’d put Lillard ahead of both I think. Centers are like running backs; fairly easily replaceable these days.I agree that he can be in the conversation for the last couple spots in the top 10.
i would still take those three ahead of him certainly until he can get better on defense. I realize that jokic is not great on d either, but he is a better all around offensive player.
Jokic had similar 3 point numbers in 17-18, but for sure kat’s Shot is better and i would say more versatileJokic is an A+++ passer, but KAT is better in the other offensive aspects (40% from three on a high volume!). Those two are definitely in the same tier. I’d put Lillard ahead of both I think. Centers are like running backs; fairly easily replaceable these days.
According to Woj, Stephan A, Shams, Windhorst and others in NBA yes Hinkie thumbed his noise at the other owners. The other owners went to Silver because they were losing money on game revenue at home against the Sixers as many people knew the Sixers were intentionally losing and there for many teams weren't going to risk having their star players play and get hurt. Through those yrs the Sixers lost the NBA money and when you start losing your league money well the league will get involved. Also don't be mad at the Commissioner for having a set. The dude before him allowed corrupt officials, did nothing about it and numerous other issues go. Silver wants to create a better league. It's great. THere's no conspiracy against the Sixers. Whats worse people preventing a league from losing money and looking like a joke or allowing an owner at will to cheat the system, bring the league revenue down all for a chance to maybe draft a potential superstar? They were embarrassing the city and league with their antics. They are a big market team if you have to tank to acquire potential superstars in draft and hope that lures Superstar players to your team maybe its time to start questioning the guys making the decisions because a big market team there should be no excuses for those antics.Insein said:Many had said to trade Allen as early as 2003 because the writing was on the wall. But the old front offices wanted to build around him because he was the most popular player in the city and damn near the league. Like you said that, those decisions are why Hinkie had to come in and do what he did.
Hinkie wasn't demeaning to other owners. He had a plan and the sixers ownership backing him. He was executing that plan come hell or high water. It wasn't till the owners stabbed him in the back at the behest of Silver that he finally had to step down.
As for why other GMs don't get rid of stars early, it's because they don't want to be the guy that gave away a star who still had top tier years left. That's a death sentence job wise. Takes a real sharp evaluator and stones of steel to pull the trigger on getting rid of a stud close to their prime.
Or you can just be Jordan and let them walk for nothing.
seeing him against Boban would be fun. boban can shoot better, but they are both about as athleticCraig_MiamiFL said:
Are you talking US? Only because theres been a few clubs in Soccer like AC Milan vs Inter Milan in multiple tournaments over the yrs who play in the same stadium and I'm sure theres a few other clubs who have as well against one another sharing grounds.Deamon said:Would love a LAK/LAC series. Would be the first time in sports history that there was a playoff series between teams that share the same stadium.
didn't mean to offend. You guys are a great regular season team. should tear it up again and probably get near a 60-win season. that will be plenty of funstrykerpks said:You got a link to all that sixer success lately? Seems like 4 bounces interrupted a full on dynasty.
I'll hang up and listen.
PS I won't
They better hope Embiid stays healthy because they are ####ed. Have you even seen their record in games eligible Embiid has missed combined the Sixers are without him? Ben's first year they went on a huge skid from Dec to Jan I believe Embiid was out and they struggled big time to the point there were articles on questioning if the experts had overrated the team. Now I know most of that record is also combined with Butler and Harris but Butler is gone is Harris is not someone if Embiid is out for a long time to rely on. A few GM's have even said it already Sixers were lucky to get Embiid because without him it would've been a total failure. Granted it's not a success yet because the overall goal from this is to win an NBA title but without Emiid it'd be a failure. You'd have a PG who is afraid of Contact, can't shoot is has a worse FT shooting numbers then DeAndre Jordan and a bunch of JAGs.strykerpks said:You got a link to all that sixer success lately? Seems like 4 bounces interrupted a full on dynasty.
I'll hang up and listen.
PS I won't
Why people say Wiggy is the Next LebronFrostillicus said:Literally nobody called Wiggins the next Lebron.
Yet I just posted a couple articles with that comparison and I do agree with you he wasn't that great in college. Neither was Ben Simmons. Both were pretty underwhelming didn't come close to the talent in college people said they wereNutterButter said:The Next Lebron. He wasn't even that good in his college year.
I say Straight swap for Harden. Salaries match.Rockets are potential suitors for Russ. Please let it happen.
Who knows if the kawhi to Toronto reporters were totally blowing smoke or had bad info, but we do need to consider the improbability of what the clippers pulled off getting George, which seems to be the lynchpin of this move. I think there is a totally reasonable scenario where kawhi was thinking he would return to Toronto unless an unlikely set of circumstances all came together to make the clippers the perfect situation. The unlikely happened and this the outcome changed. Doesn’t necessarily make the reports of him staying wrong. These things are very fluid.That guy is killing it, what's his latest?
A lot of the comparisons were coming based on what he was doing in HS still had it in College to a degree. I remember on my old forum and amongst my friends defending the tanking with we could get the potential next Lebron in Wiggy too. So there was some comparisons even if bull#### there still was. Like I said I think they were more copouts to defend tankingFrostillicus said:Andrew Wiggins averaged 6.5 rebounds and 1.5 assists per game in college. Even if you had never watched him play you would have to be literally insane to compare him to Lebron. Maybe Vince Carter or someone like that, but literally nobody compared him to Lebron. You guys are really pissing me off today.
I'd be willing to give-up a protected first and chance for a team to swap first another year if it had to be done just to get out of the albatross of that deal. I heard Hou might be a destination though somehow someway. harden Westbrook together? Get the popcorn ready as that might be the best reality TV in yrs.So let’s say you’re Sam Presti. You start looking to deal Westbrook hoping to get offers of young players, picks and expiring contracts. Let’s say those offers don’t come. What would be the WORST offer you’d still accept? Would you be willing to give up draft assets to get rid of him?
Chris Paul for Westbrook straight up. OKC gets off an albatross salary a year earlier. Houston gets the younger and, arguably, better player.I say Straight swap for Harden. Salaries match.
I might have to buy NBATV to watch those two "play" togetherI'd be willing to give-up a protected first and chance for a team to swap first another year if it had to be done just to get out of the albatross of that deal. I heard Hou might be a destination though somehow someway. harden Westbrook together? Get the popcorn ready as that might be the best reality TV in yrs.
I always hate this stat being used by analyst. I saw this on Foxsports/ESPN/NBATV/etc pages all over social media when Lebron won with Clevland making it seem like amazing saying he did something Magic and MJ didn't do. It's a no #### Sherlock thank you captain obvious. Not a huge deal we just started an era like thisJordan (15 seasons): 6 championships, 6 Finals MVPs, 5 MVPs, ROY, DPOY, 10 1st team All NBA selections, and 9 1st team All Defensive selections; averaged 30.1 ppg for his career, which is #1 in NBA history
Leonard (8 seasons and counting): 2 championships, 2 Finals MVPs, 0 MVPs, 2 DPOYs, 2 1st team All NBA selections, and 3 1st team All Defensive selections; averaged 17.7 ppg in career to date
No matter what Leonard does this season, it does not put him in any serious conversation for GOAT. If he has 5 more dominant seasons, maybe it could happen, but they would have to be truly dominant, with a lot of earned honors/awards in addition to more championships. He has a long way to go just to crack the top 25 players of all-time, much less get into the GOAT conversation.
Leading 3 franchises to championships hasn't been done because we have only just reached this era of frequent movement of elite players between franchises. Someone will be the first to do it, but that by itself doesn't equate to GOAT discussion.
And, despite winning Finals MVP in 2013-14, Duncan was still the better player in that playoff run, averaging more points on better shooting, more rebounds, more assists, more blocks, and fewer turnovers. This past season was the only one in which Leonard was the alpha player on a championship team.
Something like Dragic and James Johnson for Westbrook.I'd like for Russ to end up in Miami. No clue what a trade with Houston would look like
That's it? Why would OKC do that?Something like Dragic and James Johnson for Westbrook.
I thought Staples had two separate home team locker rooms one for each team. I know in Milan The San Siro has one Locker room dedicated to AC and the Other Inter the Away team has it's own separate dressing room from the two.Nice didn't know about those. Did a quick search but mainly looked at Staples and jets/giants. Either way it's been quite some time and would be cool. A series with zero travel, the players swapping locker rooms ever few games, etc.