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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (2 Viewers)

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Have more keystrokes ever been more wasted on a marginal player on a hapless franchises than Simmons and the Sixers?  He's a horrible person on an irrelevant team.  Move on.  Please. 

 
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Jonathan Giovany on local Philly radio on Ben Simmons

Some key notes

*Sixers knew Ben's issues but drafted him as common of teams thinking they can fix his issues on shooting and Defense

* In Reality that draft was really weak and the guys who you could say were good from that draft the Sixers couldn't justify taking at #1 

* Doesn't blame them for taking Ben 

* Blames them for not holding the guy accountable to where Ben acted like a Prima Donna

*NBA draft is really hard and maybe in hindsight should've traded the pick

 
after the bucks curry is my favorite player to watch and then lillard i just really enjoy watching thoaw two then probably doncich and dirantula take that to the bank brohans 
Morant is probably my favorite player to watch. Can't wait to see how good he is in a few years at the ripe old age of ~26yo if he doesn't have any injuries.

 
Nice to see the refs really zoned in on the new rules.  Trae Young jerks backwards into Hardaway Jr, and the refs don’t call Young for a foul.  Clearly was a play that the new rule was designed specifically to address.  “Shocking.”
Wait, NBA refs are no longer going to call fouls on stars jumping into defenders?! I would guess that will decrease the number of FT attempts in an average game by about half.

What's next, will they actually call traveling?

 
The NBA has always been a pretty entertaining soap opera.  As far as episodes go, this one is above average.
Yeah, I'm not sure if "Curry is good at basketball" is really all that earth shattering news.

The melt-down in PHI is something I don't remember seeing before(but I don't follow the NBA all the closely). Perhaps more importantly there is some farcical new vignette nearly every day. I'm more interested on how it ends than anything else but stranger things keep happening by the day.

Compare that to the other big news stories of the day. Nationwide manhunt because a blonde 20yo deceased. Camera pans to swamp..... "Still no sign".

 
Yeah, I'm not sure if "Curry is good at basketball" is really all that earth shattering news.

The melt-down in PHI is something I don't remember seeing before(but I don't follow the NBA all the closely). Perhaps more importantly there is some farcical new vignette nearly every day. I'm more interested on how it ends than anything else but stranger things keep happening by the day.

Compare that to the other big news stories of the day. Nationwide manhunt because a blonde 20yo deceased. Camera pans to swamp..... "Still no sign".
Well today he is supposed to meet with team officials prior to the shoot around.  They should have suspended him for two games so that the distraction this week had one less “decision” to be dealt with. 
 

Yesterday Morey said this could go on for 4 years. He either plays or they trade him for an impact player. I guess the point is, don’t sign your max deal just because you want the most money available and expect to be able to demand a trade if you didn’t want to be there in the first place. 

 
Well today he is supposed to meet with team officials prior to the shoot around.  They should have suspended him for two games so that the distraction this week had one less “decision” to be dealt with. 
 

Yesterday Morey said this could go on for 4 years. He either plays or they trade him for an impact player. I guess the point is, don’t sign your max deal just because you want the most money available and expect to be able to demand a trade if you didn’t want to be there in the first place. 
Morey should be fired if he can’t resolve this in a year, let alone four. How could dragging this out four years be in the best interest of the team and organization? 

Morey is probably just posturing.

 
Shams Charania

@ShamsCharania

Sources: Ben Simmons spoke to Doc Rivers, Joel Embiid and entire 76ers team today and accepted everyone needs to take responsibility, including himself — but Simmons informed them all that he’s not mentally ready to play yet and needs time.

 
Adrian Wojnarowski

@wojespn

Simmons has to be evaluated now and next steps will be based upon the determination of medical professionals, sources tell ESPN.

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@wojespn

Ben Simmons met with Sixers' medical professionals and coach Doc Rivers today and informed them that he's not mentally ready to play to his expectations now, sources tell ESPN. He also talked to his teammates today.

 
Shams Charania

Sources: Ben Simmons spoke to Doc Rivers, Joel Embiid and entire 76ers team today and accepted everyone needs to take responsibility, including himself — but Simmons informed them all that he’s not mentally ready to play yet and needs time.


Sooooo, essentially no update since the playoffs?

 
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The Sixers have been fining Simmons for missing games, practices and meetings -- nearing $2 million this season -- but there is a provision in the collective bargaining agreement that protects players' salary for failing to render services "if such failure has been caused by the player's mental disability."

Medical experts and arbitration here we come.

 
We've come a long way with respecting mental health concerns.  I'm glad this is occurring.

That said, nobody ####### believes Ben Simmons and this bull####.  His showing up unannounced on a game day to report and his subsequent act in practice told us all we needed to know.

 
The Sixers have been fining Simmons for missing games, practices and meetings -- nearing $2 million this season -- but there is a provision in the collective bargaining agreement that protects players' salary for failing to render services "if such failure has been caused by the player's mental disability."

Medical experts and arbitration here we come.


he hasnt laid the groundwork for the claim, so it looks like he's gonna throw himself on the Naomi Osaka woodpile. might work, might not. someone should tell him to say the word Aspergers or initials ASD (even if he has yet to be diagnosed, and i dont think he has) and all that cheddah will roll in unobstructed and nobody can do nuttin. as y'all know, i already believe he has a developmental associative disorder of some kind, but buzzwords will win his case a lot quicker than evals. of course, i dont want him to win this case - jussayin  i could win it for him easy

 
We've come a long way with respecting mental health concerns.  I'm glad this is occurring.

That said, nobody ####### believes Ben Simmons and this bull####.  His showing up unannounced on a game day to report and his subsequent act in practice told us all we needed to know.
Simmons becoming the test case for this is the worst thing that could occur for the mental health movement.

 
Shams Charania

@ShamsCharania

Sources: Ben Simmons spoke to Doc Rivers, Joel Embiid and entire 76ers team today and accepted everyone needs to take responsibility, including himself — but Simmons informed them all that he’s not mentally ready to play yet and needs time.
Tobias Harris

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And we’ll respect his privacy and space during this time. When he’s ready, we will embrace our brother with love and handle our business on the court. That's it, that's all.

 
We've come a long way with respecting mental health concerns.  I'm glad this is occurring.

That said, nobody ####### believes Ben Simmons and this bull####.  His showing up unannounced on a game day to report and his subsequent act in practice told us all we needed to know.


I'm not by any means a knowledgeable person as to mental health issues and diagnosis, but it seems at least plausible that he has been dealing with some mental health issues, right? He's proven his physical skill bona fides, so I guess I think it kind of has to be something going on upstairs.

 
I'm not by any means a knowledgeable person as to mental health issues and diagnosis, but it seems at least plausible that he has been dealing with some mental health issues, right? He's proven his physical skill bona fides, so I guess I think it kind of has to be something going on upstairs.
The plausibility is exactly why he and his team went with this strategy next.  Something tells me his issues would clear up the second he was traded.

As someone else noted above, Ben Simmons is going to end up being the worst ambassador for better mental health in the NBA.  That's what happens when someone misrepresents themselves so clearly as Ben Simmons and his people are.  My default is almost always empathy for the players and their families for what they have to endure to be a high-level professional athlete.  This is a rare example so aggressious to be insulting.

Insulting because national media and those in the game will, at minimum, have to take it somewhat serious or risk being called out (unlike a random poster on a message board), but it's even more insulting to fellow players, coaches, and staff that make their living in a highly competitive and pressure-soaked environment.  Especially those that really do have to deal with mental health issues as a result...not those driven by a continued strategy to force their way out of town and/or a desire to get paid until they are successful.

 
I'm not by any means a knowledgeable person as to mental health issues and diagnosis, but it seems at least plausible that he has been dealing with some mental health issues, right? He's proven his physical skill bona fides, so I guess I think it kind of has to be something going on upstairs.


Is having anxiety as a sports superstar mental illness though?  Or just part of the stress of the job that is required to be dealt with as part of the job description?   Maybe I could hit a 95mph fastball if I wasn't scared of getting hit in the head and failing in front of 60,000 people.  

 
I'm not by any means a knowledgeable person as to mental health issues and diagnosis, but it seems at least plausible that he has been dealing with some mental health issues, right? He's proven his physical skill bona fides, so I guess I think it kind of has to be something going on upstairs.


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could be he's got anxiety/depression/something and he isn't handling millions of fans, the sports media attention, his own organization destroying him 24/7 for months on end and he's just had enough.

that's a lot of pressure.. and, yes, lots of other athletes perform under pressure but everyone is wired differently.

if he's going through the wringer and can't take it.. but he gets traded and things settle down.. then suddenly he performs well, it doesn't mean he tanked in Philadelphia (necessarily).  could just mean he found a better fit mentally, emotionally, etc.

i know i mocked his suckiness and think he's over-rated, but i'd never attack the guy personally on Twitter, Facebook, at games, etc. unfortunately there are hundreds of media outlets and millions of other people who have absolutely no problem doing just that and they dngaf if he kills himself because of it.. they'll just label him weak while wearing their green Mental Health Awareness ribbons.

 
I'm not by any means a knowledgeable person as to mental health issues and diagnosis, but it seems at least plausible that he has been dealing with some mental health issues, right? He's proven his physical skill bona fides, so I guess I think it kind of has to be something going on upstairs.
i have worked in the mental health industries for years, and i would say that 90% of Ben's issues derive from a mental health block. it is an official Axis 1 diagnosis, can't say for sure. 

but it is insane how much everyone from media to fans are dumping on this dude, likely making the mental health issues worse. i would probably say that is a contributor to why Ben has not improved on some of his game over the last few years. 

and it is also embarrassing how there are so many people undermining the mental health issues. I would have to strike back by suggesting they may be "mental midgets", but when i hear national people say things like "everyone has anxiety, he has to just get over it", it is unbelievably ignorant. there are varying degrees of anxiety, and i can't claim at all to have any idea where Ben is at with his mental approach, but i do know he saw a sports psychologist for some time in the past. 

It is frustrating beyond belief when everyone loves to hate and pile on Ben, but since his possible mental health issues are not easy for all to see, people just blow it off

Anxiety is one of those things that should be viewed more on a spectrum, rather than an "on and off" switch. people think you have anxiety or you don't, and they think their anxiety is the same as everyone else's. 

 
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:goodposting:

could be he's got anxiety/depression/something and he isn't handling millions of fans, the sports media attention, his own organization destroying him 24/7 for months on end and he's just had enough.

that's a lot of pressure.. and, yes, lots of other athletes perform under pressure but everyone is wired differently.

if he's going through the wringer and can't take it.. but he gets traded and things settle down.. then suddenly he performs well, it doesn't mean he tanked in Philadelphia (necessarily).  could just mean he found a better fit mentally, emotionally, etc.

i know i mocked his suckiness and think he's over-rated, but i'd never attack the guy personally on Twitter, Facebook, at games, etc. unfortunately there are hundreds of media outlets and millions of other people who have absolutely no problem doing just that and they dngaf if he kills himself because of it.. they'll just label him weak while wearing their green Mental Health Awareness ribbons.
what's interesting is looking back to the Markelle Fultz situation in Philly too. he isn't a superstar all of a sudden, but his game has certainly improved (ignoring injuries of course) once he has been able to play somewhere else. the difference with Fultz though is that he never had this mountain of crap poured on him like Ben has got for years, and exponentially worse for the last 4 months.

practically bullying mentality/group think at it's "best"

 
I'm not by any means a knowledgeable person as to mental health issues and diagnosis, but it seems at least plausible that he has been dealing with some mental health issues, right? He's proven his physical skill bona fides, so I guess I think it kind of has to be something going on upstairs.


Is having anxiety as a sports superstar mental illness though?  Or just part of the stress of the job that is required to be dealt with as part of the job description?   Maybe I could hit a 95mph fastball if I wasn't scared of getting hit in the head and failing in front of 60,000 people.  


I'm really not qualified to speak about this other than on a very low level, and I've never even heard this guy speak - not once I'm sure, not read an interview or anything else.  I just think a guy who's been given this golden ticket in life, and then worked his butt off so hard for so many years to fully develop and exploit his talent to get to the top of an extremely rare group of  superstar professionals, then seemingly wigs out like this - that seems to me to be some form of mental illness.  If he really just wanted to get out of town and move to a different team, there's a ton of precedent out there as to how that can be done and I'm sure he has access to agents and reps who could have guided him through that process.

 
i have worked in the mental health industries for years, and i would say that 90% of Ben's issues derive from a mental health block. it is an official Axis 1 diagnosis, can't say for sure. 

but it is insane how much everyone from media to fans are dumping on this dude, likely making the mental health issues worse. i would probably say that is a contributor to why Ben has not improved on some of his game over the last few years. 

and it is also embarrassing how there are so many people undermining the mental health issues. I would have to strike back by suggesting they may be "mental midgets", but when i hear national people say things like "everyone has anxiety, he has to just get over it", it is unbelievably ignorant. there are varying degrees of anxiety, and i can't claim at all to have any idea where Ben is at with his mental approach, but i do know he saw a sports psychologist for some time in the past. 

It is frustrating beyond belief when everyone loves to hate and pile on Ben, but since his possible mental health issues are not easy for all to see, people just blow it off

Anxiety is one of those things that should be viewed more on a spectrum, rather than an "on and off" switch. people think you have anxiety or you don't, and they think their anxiety is the same as everyone else's. 
Agreed.  I keep going back and forth on if Ben actually has these issues or if he's faking it.  There's lots of evidence on both sides of the argument.  Obviously always thought the Ben hate was unnecessary and had that mob mentality.  I do wonder if this is all calculated by his agent, but would feel awful if that wasn't the case.  The fact that Harris defended him after he spoke to the team makes me wonder a bit though.... the details of that talk or what Ben told them probably will never be released.  At this point I'd rather just move on, it hurts my head trying to figure out if I feel bad for him or think he's just being conniving. 

 
I mean, is he "not mentally ready to play" because he assumed that he would have been traded and he needs to come to terms with himself and the fact that he has to play on the Sixers for the foreseeable future?  Or is there something else?

 
I mean, is he "not mentally ready to play" because he assumed that he would have been traded and he needs to come to terms with himself and the fact that he has to play on the Sixers for the foreseeable future?  Or is there something else?
not sure we'll ever know.  Which is frustrating as a sports fan.... because people get enjoyment out of either loving or hating a player.

 
I'm really not qualified to speak about this other than on a very low level, and I've never even heard this guy speak - not once I'm sure, not read an interview or anything else.  I just think a guy who's been given this golden ticket in life, and then worked his butt off so hard for so many years to fully develop and exploit his talent to get to the top of an extremely rare group of  superstar professionals, then seemingly wigs out like this - that seems to me to be some form of mental illness.  If he really just wanted to get out of town and move to a different team, there's a ton of precedent out there as to how that can be done and I'm sure he has access to agents and reps who could have guided him through that process.
I feel like he did follow the playbook on how to force your way out of town and Morey refused to play along. Most teams would have taken the best deal and not let it come to this.  For better or worse, the Sixers don't seem to operate like most teams.

 
Shams Charania

@ShamsCharania

Sources: Ben Simmons spoke to Doc Rivers, Joel Embiid and entire 76ers team today and accepted everyone needs to take responsibility, including himself — but Simmons informed them all that he’s not mentally ready to play yet and needs time.


This just proves the players today are a lot weaker. Also I don't think Ben has any mental illness keeping him from the team. There's a page In the CBA that if a player can prove he is mentally unwell the team can't dock his pay and he can get it back. 

 
Morey should be fired if he can’t resolve this in a year, let alone four. How could dragging this out four years be in the best interest of the team and organization? 

Morey is probably just posturing.


He also risks getting other players on the team namely Joel Embiid frustrated to the point of wanting out. I know Joel said some nice things prior to the game but that sounds like someone in PR wrote that as a CYA. 

 
We've come a long way with respecting mental health concerns.  I'm glad this is occurring.

That said, nobody ####### believes Ben Simmons and this bull####.  His showing up unannounced on a game day to report and his subsequent act in practice told us all we needed to know.


Ben is all about Ben 24/7. 

 
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