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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (3 Viewers)

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Ayo is killing it for the Bulls. I was high on him and absurd he fell to mid 2nd but he's doing a lot better so soon than I thought. Hell of a "backup" option for Lonzo/Lavine/DeRozan.

Not saying he'll have same career but a tireless worker that's "good at everything great at none" ala Jimmy Butler. If he's anywhere close to as efficient at 3s as he is now, could see him being an All Star in the future. Big leap of faith but it's the one question I had for him coming into league as he's good at everything else and relentless worker.

Edit: And it's crazy how much Karnišovas has turned the franchise around in under 2 years.

 
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Craig_MiamiFL said:
Ayo is killing it for the Bulls. I was high on him and absurd he fell to mid 2nd but he's doing a lot better so soon than I thought. Hell of a "backup" option for Lonzo/Lavine/DeRozan.

Not saying he'll have same career but a tireless worker that's "good at everything great at none" ala Jimmy Butler. If he's anywhere close to as efficient at 3s as he is now, could see him being an All Star in the future. Big leap of faith but it's the one question I had for him coming into league as he's good at everything else and relentless worker.

Edit: And it's crazy how much Karnišovas has turned the franchise around in under 2 years.
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Being able to watch a decent Bulls team, and also watch the next steps in Ayo's career has really been fun.  

 
This Clippers/Nuggets game has been awesome. Nobody deserved to lose this one - even the full court bomb at the end of OT got rim. I only watched to see Jokic complete a Double Double for my parlay and got lucky it went to OT for the bet, but otherwise I was neutral. Great freaking game.

 
Desert_Power said:
Miles Bridges feeling it today
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Terry Rozier feeling it last night.

Right now Charlotte has FIVE players in the top 50 in scoring.

Bridges 23

Ball 26

Rozier 32

Hayward 43

Oubre 47

I can't even wrap my head around how that's possible.

 
Juxtatarot said:
If only they could defend.
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Over my head, but local radio guys are saying there's been a huge improvement recently (team offense is down) and that's why the wins are starting to pile up.  Huge meaning bottom 1-3 teams to bottom 1/3 level.

 
Juxtatarot said:
If only they could defend.
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Celtics were cold as a team last night from 3 and got a ton of open looks.

If they would have stopped chucking and attacked the rim, they could have easily won the game even with Charlotte's offensive output and without their starting center.

Tatum was a disaster.

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Ayo is killing it for the Bulls. I was high on him and absurd he fell to mid 2nd but he's doing a lot better so soon than I thought. Hell of a "backup" option for Lonzo/Lavine/DeRozan.

Not saying he'll have same career but a tireless worker that's "good at everything great at none" ala Jimmy Butler. If he's anywhere close to as efficient at 3s as he is now, could see him being an All Star in the future. Big leap of faith but it's the one question I had for him coming into league as he's good at everything else and relentless worker.

Edit: And it's crazy how much Karnišovas has turned the franchise around in under 2 years.
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Truly a joy to watch.  

 
Watched some of the Celtics-hornets last night. I was maybe little too high on Oubre, but holy moly i miss all of the Tatum love in this thread. Dude is disastrous, though he is great at sitting on stationary bikes and complaining to refs like a middle school kid 

 
modogg said:
Watched some of the Celtics-hornets last night. I was maybe little too high on Oubre, but holy moly i miss all of the Tatum love in this thread. Dude is disastrous, though he is great at sitting on stationary bikes and complaining to refs like a middle school kid 
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I don't know that I've ever been super high on Tatum.  He is a supreme talent, but seems too caught up in style points than wins.  Sure he likes to win and will try to, but not at the expense of looking cool doing it.  Even his idol, Kobe, understood that winning comes first and the rest will follow.

 
Jayrod said:
I don't know that I've ever been super high on Tatum.  He is a supreme talent, but seems too caught up in style points than wins.  Sure he likes to win and will try to, but not at the expense of looking cool doing it.  Even his idol, Kobe, understood that winning comes first and the rest will follow.
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offdee said:
What exactly is the deal with Zion?  Just a fat afterthought at this point? 
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it does seem like the younger generation coming in is a little too influenced with sports center and coaches/programs bending to players whim for whatever reasons (hate to say it is money, but could be to appease players to get attn and money to their programs) 

we can include Ben Simmons with this conversation though I still like the kid. Just seems that there is an entitlement built in to some players coming in and it is very focused on individual play rather than team play. And based on stats rather than actual play. Not trying to paint any of the 3 above as committed to this, but it does seem like the adjustment from the high school and college game to playing pro has become bigger downfall for some higher talents recently. 
 

it’s fun to think about some other guys like Embiid and Booker. They both started their careers leaning a bit into that way of being in the NBA, and have made great adjustments to being little more team and professional (though booker yelling at the raptors mascot for making too much noise wasn’t a great look) 

I guess point is teams should try to find a better assessment process for some of these top prospects. Just seems like some are emotionally immature or whatever and are not adapting to professional life as well. I guess this has also been an issue too, and maybe this is more due to the growth of 24 hour news and the internet. 

 
Looks like Caruso is going to out multiple weeks after that ridiculous foul from Grayson Allen. He deserves a lengthy suspension as well.

 
sucks he is injured sorry to see it bulls fans i have said before that rooting for allen is not cool for me take that to the bank brohans

 
Frostillicus said:
The Wolves are favored by 3 against the Nets tonight. That is really, really, something. Like, holy s word we've come a long way. 
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I mean, they were on the road without their best player.  But I digress. 

 
i am still amazed that the NBA felt they had to intervene and force the Sixers to get rid of Sam Hinkie, yet the Sacremento Kings are allowed to continue as is. 

almost funnier, is how much Jalen Brown and Tatum are padding their stats with a 40 pint lead. i mean you wonder why no one in Boston can develop as a player or why others wouldn't want to play there. You are up 40+ since the 2nd quarter, yet Tatum and Brown stay in and take shot after shot. Would this not be the time to get all of the underdeveloped 1st round picks at the end of the Boston bench in to get some minutes? i mean if Sac gets with-in 20 you can always put Tatum and Brown back in. Just is pretty gross

ETA: sheesh, thank you Ime for finally getting some sort of common sense in play

 
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Wizards just blew a 35 point lead and lost. Lol.

Collapse included having the ball with a 3 point lead with 5 seconds to go. Committed a 5 second violation on the inbounds, then fouled on a 3-pointer to give the Clips a 4-point play and go-ahead lead.

 
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Don Quixote said:
Wizards just blew a 35 point lead and lost. Lol.
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Possibly the worst gag in the history of the NBA.  And I'm not overreacting.  It was horrid.  They also had a 6 point lead with 8 seconds to go.  And Kennard puts up 7 points.  And Beal fouls with 1 second on clock.  And twice couldn't get the ball inbounds in last 8 seconds.  Uggh.

This is a team I thought was going places.  But all that has happened is their depth has hurt them.  Every time a player comes back (Bertans, Bryant, Rui) they get worse.  They have 6 SGs (Beal, Dinwiddie, Neto, KCP, Kispert, Holiday) and 6 PFs of various skill sets (Bryant, Rui, Bertans, Harrell, Kuzma, Avdija) and 1 C (Gafford).

It reminds me of a youth AAU team where the coach has no idea who to play.  Nor do I.  The players are all so equally average.

The team needs a real PG.  And I'd ship Beal to get it done.  He won't be back next year.  May as well get something

 
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whoknew said:
Cade has 32/6/8 tonight v Denver. Pretty exciting for Pistons fans to finally have someone like him.
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Finished 34/8/8 on 54% from the field and 6/9 from 3. Plus 2 steals and 4 blocks. He’s going to be a problem next year. A little more experience, muscle, consistency and getting the jumper fine tuned and he’s got All NBA 1st Team type of ceiling before too long.

 
The NBA is in trouble.  Terrible product.  I'm boycotting any games live until they fix it.  Enough players miss because of COVID.  Kyrie Irving is the ultimate joke.  But until they fix this load management once and for all it will continue to spiral.  In no other sport that I know of do players sit games when healthy.  Maybe a starting catcher on a 12 straight night homestand may miss once.  That's it.  It is such BS.  If the divas don't want to play every other night go to 3 games a week max.  And then have carrots/sticks in either collective bargaining or their individual contracts that is tied to games/minutes played.  Like innings pitched in baseball.  It's obvious nobody cares about the regular season.  So just shorten it.

Didn't Wilt Chamberlain play every minute during a season? I mean - c'mon.  What a rip off.  Silver needs to earn his money.

 
The Mavericks look like a bottom 3rd team tonight vs Golden State.  I know the Warriors are good and they are on the road, but there isn't a Maverick that looks good at all tonight.  Porzingis got ejected for kicking the ball into the stands after he dropped a pass out of bounds that should have led to a dunk.

 
Judge Smails said:
....  But until they fix this load management once and for all it will continue to spiral.  In no other sport that I know of do players sit games when healthy....
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IIRC, someone did some calculations on the number of times Kevin Garnett jumped after the whistle was blown to call a dead play.

The argument was that if Garnett expended less effort, he'd have extended his career by a few years. I've seen that same discussion point for Shaq. That if he had some kind of weight control in the 2nd half of his career, that his last five years wouldn't have been so injury marred and he would have played longer if he wanted to do so. ( The availability of functional centers was different in his playing era, even towards the end)

It's not hard to see what's going on here. Players like Kawhi Leonard are trying to game for one more long term extension if they can stretch out their playing careers. The Over 36 Rule was changed to the Over 38 Rule, which squeezed out that last huge contract that Chris Paul got. Point to note that Paul, LBJ and Melo were all the heads of the players side of the NBPA at the time.

Someone like Luke Garza, a 2nd round pick and had to fight for a roster spot, has no choice but to play hard all the time for stay in the league. But look at someone like Jamal Crawford. Played for a long time but didn't even bother on defense and didn't play hard unless he could pad his stats.

It's a game where NBA players want to live in the city they want, get the teammates they want, get the coach they want, play when they want and get paid what they want.

During the labor war right after The Decision, David Stern went on Bill Simmons' podcast and said something very interesting. He said give the NBPA their share of the negotiated BRI and then let them decide how to divide it. Honestly Stern was kind of a marketing genius at times. That's really the "hot fix" to turn this entire apple cart over.

 
Desert_Power said:
Looks like Caruso is going to out multiple weeks after that ridiculous foul from Grayson Allen. He deserves a lengthy suspension as well.
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I know I'm late as I was in timeout but Allen should be suspended for as long as Caruso is out. Not sure what I'm more PO'd about. How no one on the Bulls stood up for him or the fact the league gave Allen a slap on the wrist of 1 game. Bucks are lucky this isn't old school era because Allen's head would be on a swivel and the rest of that game the bucks probably take out Giannis for his own safety because Rodman would've been fouling him a little harder then usual just to send a message. Ridiculous. This is why punks like Allen get away with this today. No one in the league wants to stand up for their teammates or get dirty. It's why I cheered Jokic for what he did earlier in the year. Some clown takes a cheap shot he better be prepared and not turn him back. 

Either way it's crazy how Allen gets a slap on the wrist. Then he has a smugness walking away. Blatant it was intentional. If I was out there I'd have been running over to slap that grin off his face. 

Edit: I'm also not advocating for injuring other teams players. I'm more so talking about sticking up for your teammates giving a little extra without crossing the line out there. Because many players don't do this guys like Allen think they can get away with their cheap shots. Ya think Allen is going to try his BS on Jokic? Nah he know he don't want that smoke so he's going to go for easier targets. Until we get more players reacting like Jokic guys like Allen will continue to do this. 

 
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Alex P Keaton said:
Nobody who is a Bucks fan should enjoy rooting for Allen
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If I'm the bucks since the league wouldn't have balls I'd suspend him myself or cut him from the team just to show there's no room for that behavior. By keeping him on the roster they are setting themselves up for retaliation or someone like Giannis becoming a target. Not saying it will happen but it is an division rival, someone made a dirty play that someone is out for a very long time etc. However the way Bucks twitter went about it they don't seem to care they employ a punk or intentionally injured someone. 

 
GordonGekko said:
IIRC, someone did some calculations on the number of times Kevin Garnett jumped after the whistle was blown to call a dead play.

The argument was that if Garnett expended less effort, he'd have extended his career by a few years. I've seen that same discussion point for Shaq. That if he had some kind of weight control in the 2nd half of his career, that his last five years wouldn't have been so injury marred and he would have played longer if he wanted to do so. ( The availability of functional centers was different in his playing era, even towards the end)

It's not hard to see what's going on here. Players like Kawhi Leonard are trying to game for one more long term extension if they can stretch out their playing careers. The Over 36 Rule was changed to the Over 38 Rule, which squeezed out that last huge contract that Chris Paul got. Point to note that Paul, LBJ and Melo were all the heads of the players side of the NBPA at the time.

Someone like Luke Garza, a 2nd round pick and had to fight for a roster spot, has no choice but to play hard all the time for stay in the league. But look at someone like Jamal Crawford. Played for a long time but didn't even bother on defense and didn't play hard unless he could pad his stats.

It's a game where NBA players want to live in the city they want, get the teammates they want, get the coach they want, play when they want and get paid what they want.

During the labor war right after The Decision, David Stern went on Bill Simmons' podcast and said something very interesting. He said give the NBPA their share of the negotiated BRI and then let them decide how to divide it. Honestly Stern was kind of a marketing genius at times. That's really the "hot fix" to turn this entire apple cart over.
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Or tell players to grow up this is a big boy world and life isn't always fair. The NBA is a mess in general. The players literally run the league and the owners act like they are fixing things but putting band aids on stuff that needs surgery and stitches and starting to get infected without proper treatment. 

 
Embiid quietly having an MVP level season.  They need to move Simmons for a "closer" though.  The James Harden sign-and-trade sounds fun and all, but they could potentially contend this season with the right piece.  Embiid or Harden could be hurt next season, and then this is a wasted year.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Embiid quietly having an MVP level season.  They need to move Simmons for a "closer" though.  The James Harden sign-and-trade sounds fun and all, but they could potentially contend this season with the right piece.  Embiid or Harden could be hurt next season, and then this is a wasted year.
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Which “closers” do you think might be attainable at the deadline?

 
Juxtatarot said:
Which “closers” do you think might be attainable at the deadline?
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Nobody at the Beal or Butler level.  But they clearly will need someone who can create their own shot, handle the ball, and not be afraid to take a clutch 3.  They don't have a go-to guy on the outside.  This person doesn't need to be a multi-time all-star to push the team to championship level, especially if you are not giving up anything else really other than Simmons.

Jaylen Brown costs more than Simmons, so they may not go that route.  But all the other names we have heard.  I don't think they want to move Tobias.  I think Embiid likes playing with him, and he is a real leader in the locker room.

So it's the return of Jerami Grant, Brandon Ingram, Caris Levert, Haliburton and Hield etc.

 
There was no value in trading Simmons early.  They have created a market with the leaks.  It could backfire with teams having Morey-Fatigue, but I think one of those deals gets done where Morey was asking for the moon.

 
As much as I dislike LeBron, I have to give him some credit.

He has passed Dirk to move into #3 all time in minutes played.  In an era where guys sit out constantly for minor issues, he has been an absolute rock.  He is finally showing some signs of slowing, but if he plays 2 more seasons at 31 mpg, he'll pass Karl Malone next season and Kareem the season after that.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Embiid quietly having an MVP level season.  They need to move Simmons for a "closer" though.  The James Harden sign-and-trade sounds fun and all, but they could potentially contend this season with the right piece.  Embiid or Harden could be hurt next season, and then this is a wasted year.
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Harden I don't get at all. he's essentially a locker room cancer himself. He doesn't put a lot of effort on defense and his numbers are down as the refs aren't awarding his flopping. He's also 32. This would be another knee jerk reaction by the sixers here and getting a guy at more so closer to the end of his career then in his prime. Harden is a decent player but I wouldn't want him anywhere near a young team. The guy is the definition of the prima donna's in the NBA these days. 

 
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