2021 Buffalo Bills - Same as it ever was*** (2 Viewers)

[Mr. Peterson]

So Tyrod Taylor. Anything to see there? I know some people who are quite high on him. Say he's very athletic but also throws a real nice ball. Only knock on him was that he's smaller.

 

[BlueDredSo]

Getting Easley and Wynn back is pretty awesome. Easley is a beast on special teams and Wynn showed some promise last year.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

So Tyrod Taylor. Anything to see there? I know some people who are quite high on him. Say he's very athletic but also throws a real nice ball. Only knock on him was that he's smaller.

I'm pleased that we now have at least one QB on our roster who has not yet developed a record of proven mediocrity or worse on the field.

 

[humpback]

So Tyrod Taylor. Anything to see there? I know some people who are quite high on him. Say he's very athletic but also throws a real nice ball. Only knock on him was that he's smaller.

That's far from the only knock on him, but the more lottery tickets they get at the position, the better.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So Tyrod Taylor. Anything to see there? I know some people who are quite high on him. Say he's very athletic but also throws a real nice ball. Only knock on him was that he's smaller.

That's far from the only knock on him, but the more lottery tickets they get at the position, the better.

The NFL.com draft profile says that he has erratic accuracy, makes too many questionable decisions, and may have problems reading defenses. So basically a shorter EJ Manuel.

But I agree, grab those lottery tickets. You never know, some guys it just seems to click for after a few years and Taylor has been in the league for a while now and hasn't proven to be mediocre at least.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Eagles trying to trade Evan Mathis apparently. I wonder if he could be had cheap. Cap hit isn't crazy. He'll look real good next to Glenn on the left side.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Eagles trying to trade Evan Mathis apparently. I wonder if he could be had cheap. Cap hit isn't crazy. He'll look real good next to Glenn on the left side.

Do the Bills have any more Ducks or Sooners to offer?

 

[ScottNorwood]

So maybe the Bills could've signed Murray for the same money as McCoy and kept Alonso. Or, even better, spend those millions of dollars on a more important position.

OK that's my last whine on the subject.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So maybe the Bills could've signed Murray for the same money as McCoy and kept Alonso. Or, even better, spend those millions of dollars on a more important position.

OK that's my last whine on the subject.

I think McCoy is a much more special RB than Murray. Yeah, Murray had a great year last year, but that O-line was responsible for a huge portion of that. He also has a major injury history that needs to be taken into account. Last year was the first year he managed to stay healthy all year and he has not only had more touches than McCoy over the last 3 years, he's older as well.

My bet is that last year was the anomaly for both RBs and that the Bills bought low on McCoy and the Eagles bought high on Murray.

 

[GroveDiesel]

FWIW, looking at last year's FA decisions, I think Whaley and the Bills deserve some leeway. They got hammered for letting Byrd go and it's pretty clear that was the right move. They got hammered for letting Levitre walk the year before and that looks like it was the right move too. Graham was an excellent signing last year. The Sheppard for Hughes trade was a home run. Chris Williams was probably not a great move and Orton was pretty blah as well.

Overall, I think they've done above average at the very least in free agency.

 

[Devine Intervention]

Saying we could've had Murray and alanso is assuming Murray would've signed in buffalo even for more money.

I think trading was a great move because buffalo doesn't have the draw other cities have and it takes away that risk that no one wants go come here and we even more over pay

 

[ChuckLiddell]

So maybe the Bills could've signed Murray for the same money as McCoy and kept Alonso. Or, even better, spend those millions of dollars on a more important position.

OK that's my last whine on the subject.

I think McCoy is a much more special RB than Murray. Yeah, Murray had a great year last year, but that O-line was responsible for a huge portion of that. He also has a major injury history that needs to be taken into account. Last year was the first year he managed to stay healthy all year and he has not only had more touches than McCoy over the last 3 years, he's older as well.

My bet is that last year was the anomaly for both RBs and that the Bills bought low on McCoy and the Eagles bought high on Murray.

Was there really that much of a dfference in the OLs?

Jeff Haseley retweeted
Nathan Jahnke ‏@PFF_NateJahnke 3m3 minutes ago
In 2014 DeMarco Murray and LeSean McCoy both had 2.15 yards before contact/attempt. Murray averaged 2.53 after contact while McCoy just 2.06

 

[humpback]

So maybe the Bills could've signed Murray for the same money as McCoy and kept Alonso. Or, even better, spend those millions of dollars on a more important position.

OK that's my last whine on the subject.

I think McCoy is a much more special RB than Murray. Yeah, Murray had a great year last year, but that O-line was responsible for a huge portion of that. He also has a major injury history that needs to be taken into account. Last year was the first year he managed to stay healthy all year and he has not only had more touches than McCoy over the last 3 years, he's older as well.

My bet is that last year was the anomaly for both RBs and that the Bills bought low on McCoy and the Eagles bought high on Murray.

Huh? McCoy has more touches in the last 3 years than Murray, and while Murray is a whopping 5 months older, he has been in the league for 2 fewer years.

It's almost impossible for the Bills to have "bought low" on McCoy, considering he's likely to be the highest paid RB in the NFL over the next 4-5 years.

 

[humpback]

Ugh, now Miami is negotiating a long term extension with Clay.

 

[OC Zed]

Ugh, now Miami is negotiating a long term extension with Clay.

This isn't the end of the world. They can still get good value with Gresham or Cameron if it comes to that.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So maybe the Bills could've signed Murray for the same money as McCoy and kept Alonso. Or, even better, spend those millions of dollars on a more important position.

OK that's my last whine on the subject.

I think McCoy is a much more special RB than Murray. Yeah, Murray had a great year last year, but that O-line was responsible for a huge portion of that. He also has a major injury history that needs to be taken into account. Last year was the first year he managed to stay healthy all year and he has not only had more touches than McCoy over the last 3 years, he's older as well.

My bet is that last year was the anomaly for both RBs and that the Bills bought low on McCoy and the Eagles bought high on Murray.

Was there really that much of a dfference in the OLs?

Jeff Haseley retweeted

Nathan Jahnke ‏@PFF_NateJahnke 3m3 minutes ago

In 2014 DeMarco Murray and LeSean McCoy both had 2.15 yards before contact/attempt. Murray averaged 2.53 after contact while McCoy just 2.06

Having watched a large number of Eagles games last year, I think PFF is way off on their offensive line rankings and numbers. They were not very good all year.

FootballOutsiders ranked the Eagles as the 30th ranked rushing O-line last year. Dallas was #1.

Philly was 29th ranked in runs stuffed (1 being best, 32nd worst).

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Ugh, now Miami is negotiating a long term extension with Clay.

This isn't the end of the world. They can still get good value with Gresham or Cameron if it comes to that.

This. Not too concerned about missing out on Clay.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Ugh, now Miami is negotiating a long term extension with Clay.

This isn't the end of the world. They can still get good value with Gresham or Cameron if it comes to that.

This. Not too concerned about missing out on Clay.

Agreed. I really wasn't digging the rumored $7-8M a year for Charles Clay. $3-4M maybe, but not $7-8M.

Rumor seems to be that they are interested in Fasano now.

Seems to me they're valuing blocking over pass catching for their TE.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Cameron signs with Cleveland (and pretty big money too). Let's hope we have something up our sleeves.

 

[OC Zed]

Ugh, now Miami is negotiating a long term extension with Clay.

This isn't the end of the world. They can still get good value with Gresham or Cameron if it comes to that.

This. Not too concerned about missing out on Clay.

Agreed. I really wasn't digging the rumored $7-8M a year for Charles Clay. $3-4M maybe, but not $7-8M.

Rumor seems to be that they are interested in Fasano now.

Seems to me they're valuing blocking over pass catching for their TE.

The Bills wanted Fasano in addition to Clay.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Any chance we just get Chandler back cheaper?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Ugh, now Miami is negotiating a long term extension with Clay.

This isn't the end of the world. They can still get good value with Gresham or Cameron if it comes to that.

This. Not too concerned about missing out on Clay.

Agreed. I really wasn't digging the rumored $7-8M a year for Charles Clay. $3-4M maybe, but not $7-8M.

Rumor seems to be that they are interested in Fasano now.

Seems to me they're valuing blocking over pass catching for their TE.

The Bills wanted Fasano in addition to Clay.

That seemed like pure speculation to me.

 

[humpback]

Ugh, now Miami is negotiating a long term extension with Clay.

This isn't the end of the world. They can still get good value with Gresham or Cameron if it comes to that.

Since when does "ugh" mean "end of the world", lol?

I like Clay a lot, much better than those other two (Cameron not an option anymore btw, and he was far from good value).

 

[humpback]

Ugh, now Miami is negotiating a long term extension with Clay.

This isn't the end of the world. They can still get good value with Gresham or Cameron if it comes to that.

This. Not too concerned about missing out on Clay.

Agreed. I really wasn't digging the rumored $7-8M a year for Charles Clay. $3-4M maybe, but not $7-8M.

Rumor seems to be that they are interested in Fasano now.

Seems to me they're valuing blocking over pass catching for their TE.

His tender would pay him $7M this year- $3-$4M was never on anyone's radar.

Fasano was terrible last year (blocking too). No thanks.

Looks like Cameron is actually signing with Miami, which means Clay is still available.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

This has been one of the weirdest free agency periods ever.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

This has been one of the weirdest free agency periods ever.

I agree. Not only has this Bills offseason been crazy, but the entire NFL offseason has been as well.

 

[GroveDiesel]

This has been one of the weirdest free agency periods ever.

Yup. Totally insane offseason. If you're a Bills fan or Eagles fan, your head has been spinning for a week now.

I can't even imagine how awful Browns fans feel right now. Their big moves have been Josh McCown, Brian Hartline, and Thad Lewis.

People that like Mike Pettine should probably keep him away from bridges and sharp objects right now.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm not sure the Dolphins signed who they think they signed:

https://twitter.com/salsports/status/576203457805312000

How does your official Twitter account screw up a major FA signing's name?!

 

[OC Zed]

Ugh, now Miami is negotiating a long term extension with Clay.

This isn't the end of the world. They can still get good value with Gresham or Cameron if it comes to that.

This. Not too concerned about missing out on Clay.

Agreed. I really wasn't digging the rumored $7-8M a year for Charles Clay. $3-4M maybe, but not $7-8M.

Rumor seems to be that they are interested in Fasano now.

Seems to me they're valuing blocking over pass catching for their TE.

The Bills wanted Fasano in addition to Clay.

That seemed like pure speculation to me.

I believe one of the beat writers reported that yesterday.

 

[FUBAR]

I'm not sure the Dolphins signed who they think they signed:

https://twitter.com/salsports/status/576203457805312000

How does your official Twitter account screw up a major FA signing's name?!

he's a fan of The League?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I can't even imagine how awful Browns fans feel right now. Their big moves have been Josh McCown, Brian Hartline, and Thad Lewis.

Oof.

 

[GroveDiesel]

From the sound of it, the Bills are the odds on favorite to land Harvin. Dude has had some locker room issues so I'm no fan of that, but there's no question that the talent would be pretty impressive.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Where would Harvin fit in? He doesn't want to be a gadget player and focus on WR. He's obviously not close to Sammy, but would he overtake Woods as number 2? Slide into slot as number 3?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Where would Harvin fit in? He doesn't want to be a gadget player and focus on WR. He's obviously not close to Sammy, but would he overtake Woods as number 2? Slide into slot as number 3?

I'm not sure how Harvin is supposed to fit our offense either, other than as a gadget/return guy. I'd rather have Woods at #2.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Where would Harvin fit in? He doesn't want to be a gadget player and focus on WR. He's obviously not close to Sammy, but would he overtake Woods as number 2? Slide into slot as number 3?

I'm not sure how Harvin is supposed to fit our offense either, other than as a gadget/return guy. I'd rather have Woods at #2.

He or Woods could be a slot receiver. Either way I like it.

 

[humpback]

If he's dirt cheap fine, but he comes with tons of baggage. If this was the typical 6-win Bills team on the past I'd be in favor of this type of swing-for-the-fences move, but this would have the potential to blow up spectacularly.

 

[humpback]

So the Bills don't want Chandler but the Pats do.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

So the Bills don't want Chandler but the Pats do.

He's guaranteed to catch at least one game-winning TD against us next year. You can write the script now.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So the Bills don't want Chandler but the Pats do.

He's guaranteed to catch at least one game-winning TD against us next year. You can write the script now.

Yup. When the Pats acquire a player from a former AFC East team, you can be sure that other team screwed up.

 

[Donnybrook]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Oh boy: Bills reached agreement on 1-year deal with WR Percy Harvin, per source. Buffalo spending bills; add Harvin, McCoy, Incognito.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Could be a solid add. I've always loved his game. Of the remaining FAs he's probably #1 talent-wise.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I'm only 36 and been an avid fan since I was a kid, but this is easily the craziest off season I can remember for the Bills. We can be dangerous.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

This is the first move I like.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I'm hoping we didn't overpay him. We still have to get a TE and possibly another OL upgrade.

There's only one TE I really like in this draft and I believe he'll be gone before we're up at 50. Does Roman care if his TE's can catch?

 

[jurb26]

So are all these weapons basically a final straw for Manuel or what?

 

[flysack]

Not sure how much impact a mercurial WR in a run-heavy offense can make, beyond the return game.

All these additions are snazzy and neato, but I'd be a heck of a lot happier if they signed a high quality OG than Percy Harvin.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

It's not either/or. They already chose to spend big on RB and pass on Iupati/Franklin/Boling. A 1yr Harvin deal has nothing to do w/ that.

 

[flysack]

It's not either/or. They already chose to spend big on RB and pass on Iupati/Franklin/Boling. A 1yr Harvin deal has nothing to do w/ that.

Yes. You're very perceptive. I'd still be happier in a hypothetical scenario if they signed a good OG rather than Harvin. The point being he's a rather superfluous signing.

Happier now?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Aand now there are reports that the Niners are making a late play for Harvin.

There are going to be a lot of agents that are going to have a tough time finding teams to deal with them next season.

 

[Drinkin Buddy]

It's not either/or. They already chose to spend big on RB and pass on Iupati/Franklin/Boling. A 1yr Harvin deal has nothing to do w/ that.

Yes. You're very perceptive. I'd still be happier in a hypothetical scenario if they signed a good OG rather than Harvin. The point being he's a rather superfluous signing.

Happier now?

I agree the money would have been better spent on Barksdale, Wisniewski, or Blalock. RT or Guard are needs imo. Kouandjio may be moved to guard plus I think it's more likely they choose a Guard at pick 50.