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Honestly I would see Lovie in the same vein as Culley. Just a placeholder while they rebuild and until who they really want is available or comes along.

Surely they are telling McCown to go get a position coaching job or something to get some experience this season so when they finally hire him in a few years it’s not a total media cluster#### on its face.

 
Got your wish Buckna. Looks like it is Lovie, but I totally agree with you that this is a placeholder hire.

I’m annoyed that we go through all the fuss of firing Culley to continue with someone already on staff. This team also could use an offense minded coach IMO. Oh well, onto more losing it would appear. 

 
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Buckna said:
Honestly I would see Lovie in the same vein as Culley. Just a placeholder while they rebuild and until who they really want is available or comes along.

Surely they are telling McCown to go get a position coaching job or something to get some experience this season so when they finally hire him in a few years it’s not a total media cluster#### on its face.
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If you're going to hire a place holder then why bother firing Culley?

 
MTskibum said:
Everyone should be completely honest about the texans. The head coach does not matter, they are a dumpster fire and will be one of the worst teams in the league even with a great coach.

Might as well hire Lovie and let him get 2 losing seasons and then move onto a different coach.
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They might as well have kept Culley.

 
Foosball God said:
If you're going to hire a place holder then why bother firing Culley?
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It's not like this came about by well thought out strategy.  It was bungling from one step to the next.  They thought they'd get that guy so got rid of Culley. Then realized the backlash if they did and bailed out to the safest choice they could come up with.

I've been struggling with how I even feel. I think I wish they'd just hired McCown and let Easterby have his way and then if it fails they finally clean house with him.  Because yeah, now it feels like it's just going to get prolonged. They won't fire Lovie in a year because of how it went with Culley. But in two years or three? Probably, short of him doing fantastic.

I've not been as high on Caldwell as a lot of people, but I'd have rather they went and got him, left Lovie as DC and promote Pep to OC as they did.

 
I have to wonder why Flores didn’t wait to file. If the Texans had chosen him, he might have still done it but it’d have put the brass in an even more awkward position. 

It’s syncing in and I like this hire even less. It’s been hard to care about this franchise since BOB bungled Hopkins away, but losing JJ and hiring Culley sealed the spiral. 

Lovie isn’t the answer, just more of the same. It just means we fans have to wait at least 2-3 more years before we care again. This hire is just one more nail. I really hope the McNairs sell when this continues to not improve so we can have our team back. 

 
Okay, I am not going to argue with anyone who thinks Cal McNair is incompetent. He is. And keeping Jack Easterby around with significant influence on McNair will make it hard for the Texans to make good organizational decisions to make them a winning franchise.

HOWEVER:

In the short term, I think the Texans will be improved in 2022 for the following reasons:

1) Pep Hamilton, OC: Pep has helped develop Andrew Luck and Justin Hebert, and did a good job with Davis Mills last year as a 3rd round rookie QB. I can't help but think that any offense Hamilton runs will be better than the holdover Bill O'Brien offense that the Texans ran with Tim Kelly last year.

2) Lovie Smith, HC: Lovie will be a significant upgrade over David Culley. He was 83-66 as Bears head coach, going to one Super Bowl and 2 NFC championship games with 2 different QB's (Rex Grossman and Jay Cutler). He only lasted 2 years in Tampa Bay, but in his second season had the Bucs at 6-6 before losing their last 4 games with a rookie QB (Winston). Basically, he was fired because the Bucs were worried about losing their offensive coordinator genius, Dirk Koetter, so they fired Lovie and promoted Dirk. The one thing that Lovie's defenses always seem to do is take the ball away. In 15 seasons as DC or head coach, 14 out of the 15 seasons, Lovie's defenses were in the top half of the league in takeaways, and 10 out of the 15 seasons, they were in the the top 10 in takeaways (finishing 1st in takeaways 3 times). Takeaways make it a lot easier to win games.

3) Nick Casserio, GM: In his first draft, Nick ended up with 5 draft picks: 2 3rds, 2 5ths, and a 6th round pick. All 5 of his draft picks contributed in 2021. Davis Mills, Nico Collins, and Brevin Jordan could be significant contributors to the offense in 2022. Casserio currently has 9 draft picks in 2022 with 2 picks in the 3rd round and 3 picks in the 6th round (no 5th round pick). He could also add to the 2022 draft picks if he can move Deshaun before the 2022 draft. While I don't think that is likely, it is still a possibility.

4) Laremy Tunsil, LT: Tunsil played 5 games in 2021 before suffering a thumb injury which kept him out the rest of the season. While the injury was only supposed to keep Tunsil out 4 to 8 weeks, it is believed he sat out the remainder of the season because he didn't want to risk further injury in a lost season. So either the Texans will get back a pro bowl tackle back in 2022, or they will trade him before the draft and probably get an additional 1st or 2nd round draft pick. Tunsil is only 27 years old.

So I think the Texans have a lot of things going for them to improve in 2022. Assuming the draft goes well, I think they should win 6 to 8 games. I don't think that means they will necessarily continue to ascend to a playoff team in subsequent years, but in the short term, they should be better.

 
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I wonder if they would have hired McCown if Flores had waited to file the lawsuit.
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Jayded said:
I have to wonder why Flores didn’t wait to file. If the Texans had chosen him, he might have still done it but it’d have put the brass in an even more awkward position. 

It’s syncing in and I like this hire even less. It’s been hard to care about this franchise since BOB bungled Hopkins away, but losing JJ and hiring Culley sealed the spiral. 

Lovie isn’t the answer, just more of the same. It just means we fans have to wait at least 2-3 more years before we care again. This hire is just one more nail. I really hope the McNairs sell when this continues to not improve so we can have our team back. 
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honestly, it seems like they chose to hire the least controversial black dude. 

 
I think Lovie > Culley, and Pep > Tim Kelly.  Those two are upgrades. Losing James Campen probably isn't good. He's highly regarded as an O-line coach but I don't know if he had the freedom to make changes or was stuck in the remnant BOB/Kelly system. 

I mean it's an upgrade but not really a desirable situation either. I won't put it past Lovie ending up doing well after they have some players, but neither do I think this gives them a coaching advantage over the majority of the league.

Casserio seemed to do decently on the players he brought in. There are some free agents that did well enough to be worth a roster spot. Though there's still a ton of dysfunction in the front office. 

I'd just as soon they trade Tunsil and get Evan Neal from the draft at tackle, assuming he doesn't go top two. 

We currently have $35m in dead money for 2022, and sit middle of the pack in cap room.  

 
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GregR said:
I think Lovie > Culley, and Pep > Tim Kelly.  Those two are upgrades. Losing James Campen probably isn't good. He's highly regarded as an O-line coach but I don't know if he had the freedom to make changes or was stuck in the remnant BOB/Kelly system. 

I mean it's an upgrade but not really a desirable situation either. I won't put it past Lovie ending up doing well after they have some players, but neither do I think this gives them a coaching advantage over the majority of the league.

Casserio seemed to do decently on the players he brought in. There are some free agents that did well enough to be worth a roster spot. Though there's still a ton of dysfunction in the front office still. 

I'd just as soon they trade Tunsil and get Evan Neal from the draft at tackle, assuming he doesn't go top two. 

We currently have $35m in dead money for 2022, and sit middle of the pack in cap room.  
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I am warming up to this as well. Tear it completely down, Tunsil won't be around by the time this team is respectable. His remaining salary and guaranteed $ is reasonable to trade away. Maybe take Neal and start him a RT for a year and trade Tunesil next year when he's in the last year of his contract? Unfortunately, I do think the Jags take Neal, but there is a lot of time for things to change between now and the draft. Maybe trade Cooks mid-season?

We still have no clarity on the Watson situation, supposedly the AG was going to make their recommendation a few weeks ago for pursuing any possible criminal charges and still nothing. Miami looks out on Watson given the firestorm in the news there now. I am thinking more and more any trade will involve more future picks than 2022 picks pushing any rebuild out another year or two.

 
I agree with the rest of you. We need to go full rebuild mode. Tunsil was brought in to protect Watson. Unless we think we have a playoff caliber team (we don't), we need to get the value out of him now.

Honestly, I don't even think we yet need OL help like Evan Neal. I think this whole draft needs to be about weapons - offensively and defensively. There isn't really a QB to consider that is clearly better than Mills (though Willis is rocketing up boards), so we need to go after our WR1/2 in a class loaded with WRs and DBs where there is top talent like Hamilton available.

Stock pile the weapons this year, assess what Mills really looks like after a full year, and then next year either go OL high because we aren't going to improve enough in 2022 to be anywhere near the playoffs, or if we're really that bad and Mills regresses, we grab Stroud/Young and reboot at QB too.

 
Jayded said:
I agree with the rest of you. We need to go full rebuild mode. Tunsil was brought in to protect Watson. Unless we think we have a playoff caliber team (we don't), we need to get the value out of him now.

Honestly, I don't even think we yet need OL help like Evan Neal. I think this whole draft needs to be about weapons - offensively and defensively. There isn't really a QB to consider that is clearly better than Mills (though Willis is rocketing up boards), so we need to go after our WR1/2 in a class loaded with WRs and DBs where there is top talent like Hamilton available.

Stock pile the weapons this year, assess what Mills really looks like after a full year, and then next year either go OL high because we aren't going to improve enough in 2022 to be anywhere near the playoffs, or if we're really that bad and Mills regresses, we grab Stroud/Young and reboot at QB too.
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Yeah, true BPA is probably the best approach as they need help everywhere. There are some studly looking defensive playmakers at the top of this draft I would definitely be just as happy with.

Obviously ideal scenario is somebody trading up for the 3 for Willis or another QB but it takes 2 to tango. If we could get a package like what SF gave up for Lance plus trade Watson for a haul that could really set the team up for success if they don't blow the picks.

 
The Texans are hiring former Buffalo assistant Jacques Cesaire as defensive line coach, a person with knowledge of the situation said Monday. Cesaire, who played nine seasons for the Chargers on the defensive line, has been the Bills' assistant defensive line coach for the past two seasons.
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If The Texans can actually get something for Watson and Mills pans out, they could actually be decent in a couple years. 
 

Maybe. 

 
Buckna said:
Yeah, true BPA is probably the best approach as they need help everywhere. There are some studly looking defensive playmakers at the top of this draft I would definitely be just as happy with.

Obviously ideal scenario is somebody trading up for the 3 for Willis or another QB but it takes 2 to tango. If we could get a package like what SF gave up for Lance plus trade Watson for a haul that could really set the team up for success if they don't blow the picks.
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unpopular opinion maybe but drafting a QB high this year doesn’t make sense for Houston. trading up for one makes less sense imo  

 
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-OZ- said:
unpopular opinion maybe but drafting a QB high this year doesn’t make sense for Houston. trading up for one makes less sense imo  
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Might have misunderstood me, I wasn’t talking about Houston taking one but ideal scenario would be someone trading up for one in Houston’s slot but “that takes two to tango” so some team would have to be actually interested in trading up. These QBs likely aren’t worth trading up for based on consensus scuttlebutt but still a lot of run up to the draft hype building season left.

 
Buckna said:
Might have misunderstood me, I wasn’t talking about Houston taking one but ideal scenario would be someone trading up for one in Houston’s slot but “that takes two to tango” so some team would have to be actually interested in trading up. These QBs likely aren’t worth trading up for based on consensus scuttlebutt but still a lot of run up to the draft hype building season left.
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Yep 👍🏽

 
Chris Conley signed an extension.  Phillip Dorsett and Davion Davis previously got extensions at WR as well.

 
I really want a full reboot, uniforms and all. Headed out with the family on spring break vacation and ended up driving through Gonzales to head to destination. Every time I get the same idea…

Someone please tell the Texans to ditch the bull motif in favor of the Gonzales cannon. There might be trademark issues going full bore, but how cool would Texans’ merchandise be with the “come and take it” lens?

While we’re at it, take back the Oilers blue too please. At least ditch the AAF/XFL uniforms we’ve used the past 20 years. It’s time to mix it up. Who’s with me?

 
NFC South rivals the Carolina Panthers and New Orleans Saints will meet with Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson over the next 48 hours, a league source told ESPN's Adam Schefter. Houston can agree to a trade at any time, but it could not be made official until the new league year starts at 4 p.m. on Wednesday.

 
Defensive tackle Maliek Collins is signing back with the Texans on a 2-year $17 million deal that includes $8.5 million guaranteed, per @DrewJRosenhaus and @RyanMatha.

Defensive back Desmond King is signing back with the Texans on a 2-year, $7 million deal, including $3.5 million fully guaranteed

 
The Texans have restructured offensive tackle Laremy Tunsil’s contract to clear $8.4 million salary cap space.

In a story first reported by NFL Media, Tunsil’s cap figure has been reduced from $26.1 million to $17.7 million.

 
The Tunsil restructure makes it seem unlikely then that they might try to move him, as they took money that a trade partner would be responsible for, and turned it into something the Texans would keep on their cap. 

Unless, I suppose, they were willing to take the cap hit to up his trade attractiveness, give current cap room for better picks in compesnation.

 
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GregR said:
The Tunsil restructure makes it seem unlikely then that they might try to move him, as they took money that a trade partner would be responsible for, and turned it into something the Texans would keep on their cap. 

Unless, I suppose, they were willing to take the cap hit to up his trade attractiveness, give current cap room for better picks in compesnation.
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FWIW, Tunesil posted a video clip on Twitter from Wolf of Wall Street about not resigning from his job. So my guess is this is to free up space to take on whatever players the Texans are getting in return for Watson maybe?

Edit: They didn’t touch Tunesil’s 2023 salary so he could still be a trade candidate next year.

 
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Justin Reid signed with the Chiefs. They keep signing our safeties away (not that Reid had any desire to stay.)

Clears the way for potentially S Kyle Hamilton at pick #3 now (or 6 if they get that from Carolina.) If we don’t get 6 from Carolina and end up with a pick in the ‘teens, fingers crossed we can trade down a few spots from 3 for even more picks. Lots of guys in the top 10 that would be great picks for our bare bones roster.

 
The Texans have traded an unspecified future late-round draft pick selection for Jets linebacker Blake Cashman, a person with knowledge of the transaction said Wednesday. The deal marks the first trade by the franchise since the start of the NFL’s new league year began. 

Cashman becomes the fifth linebacker under contract for the Texans, which re-signed Christian Kirksey to a two-year deal last week. Cashman, 25, is a former fifth-round pick who has started in seven games, played in 14 and recorded 49 career tackles with the Jets in three seasons.

 
The Texans have signed linebacker Jalen Reeves-Maybin to a two-year, $7.5 million deal, a person with knowledge of the contract said Thursday.

The franchise has now acquired two linebackers since the new league year began Wednesday, when general manager Nick Caserio traded an unspecified late-round pick to the Jets for Blake Cashman.

Reeves-Maybin, 27, is a former fourth-round pick who played in 70 games for the Lions in five seasons, started in 14 and recorded a total of 172 tackles, eight tackles for loss and a half-sack while forcing four fumbles.

 
The Texans have signed former Chargers offensive lineman Scott Quessenberry to a one-year, $1.2 million deal, a person with knowledge of the transaction said Wednesday. The franchise has now signed or retained six offensive linemen during the free agency period.

Quessenberry, 26, is a former fifth-round pick who played in 63 games, started in 10, in the last four seasons with the Chargers. His oldest brother, David, is a former Texans sixth-round pick who now plays for the Titans, and his older brother Paul is currently under contract with Houston as a tight end.

 
Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson has decided that he wants to play for the Cleveland Browns, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

The Browns and Texans are still finalizing the trade compensation, but the Texans are expected to receive three first-round picks, a third-round pick and a fourth-round pick while sending a fifth-round pick back to Cleveland along with Watson, league sources told ESPN.

The Browns are also set to give Watson a new five-year, $230 million contract, sources told Schefter. He would receive $184 million over the first four years of his new contract -- a $48 million raise over what he was scheduled to make under his current contract.

The full $230 million is guaranteed, sources said, setting a record for highest guarantee given to an NFL player.

 
On the low-end in return for Watson by a bit IMO. They did get the 3 1sts though so not completely horrible.

Time to move on and see what they do with them. Not confident in the slightest in the people around Caserio but let’s see what he can do. A move down from #3 would be ideal IMO, it’s a weak QB class but multiple teams are currently without a dance partner at QB. If they stay put I would like Hamilton at Safety at 3 and then BPA at 13. Hopefully somebody in the top 10 falls. I’d shy away from WR just because there are a lot of them so taking likely the 1st or 2nd one off the board that high would be poor value IMO. Get a WR at the top of the 2nd or just hang with Cooks for 2022 and wait for another year.

 
I was hoping they'd trade Tunsil and save the cap room and get some more picks. I don't expect this is going to be a fast turn around probably going to just waste his best years and a lot of cap on non-playoff seasons. I hope Casserio proves me wrong.

Also hoping Evan Neal is there at 3. I'm an ND fan, grew up near campus, so I'd love Hamilton but I'd be happier trading down and getting him. Was hoping Deshaun would go to Carolina and we'd get the 1.6 and maybe get lucky and get him there. 

 
They need to trade Tunsil now and aim to tank 2022. We need Stroud or Young. Mills will be decent, but I seriously doubt he’ll ever be a franchise guy, so the sooner we get that guy, the better. 

Tunsil came to block for Watson. Without him, get the trade value out of him and completely start over. 

 
Jayded said:
They need to trade Tunsil now and aim to tank 2022. We need Stroud or Young. Mills will be decent, but I seriously doubt he’ll ever be a franchise guy, so the sooner we get that guy, the better. 

Tunsil came to block for Watson. Without him, get the trade value out of him and completely start over. 
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Agreed.  Just hard to stomach what we gave up for him. If you think about it, the Watson trade is almost a wash after originally trading up for him and then sending the picks for Tunsil (doubt we'll get anything similar in return).  

It would hurt to see a balance sheet of all the Texans transactions the past 5-10 years.  All that talent/potential dwindled down to this and only a few Wild Card wins to show for it.  Oh well, time to 'trust the process' and move on. 

 
Problem is they just restructured Tunsil so they don’t appear to have any intention of trading him this year. They didn’t touch his numbers for next year which is the last year of his contract though so wonder if they see the writing on the wall. Hopefully he stays healthy this year and they can move him for a decent pick in 2023. After playing only 5 games this past season the offers probably weren’t great to trade him.

 
Yes they basically pushed $8.4m of his salary onto next year's cap. Which if they were going to trade him, they'd have left the contract and another team would be responsible for that amount.

I've run the gamut of emotions today. Relief Watson's leaving. Upset there weren't players in in the trade on top of the picks. Some disgust that Watson got what he did from the Browns and how it all went down. 

Right now I'm just a bit numb. Which is what I was for most of last season and probably will be for the coming year. 

 
Yup, it’s time for fans to show displeasure with their wallets. I’m glad I got to Houston to see one of JJ’s final games a few years ago, but they won’t get a dime until they show me they care again. 

Leave NRG empty next year and make them really realize what they’ve done to us fans. 

 
Aaron Wilson

@AaronWilson_NFL

Source: Texans expected to re-sign veteran linebacker Kamu Grugier-Hill to a one-year, $4 million contract. This move gives Texans defense an athletic, instinctive productive linebacker coming off breakout season:

 
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