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2021 Houston Texans - (2 Viewers)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
jtd13
Footballguy
Why does Caserio look like he should be ferrying people across the river Styx?
Actually nevermind, that seems fitting for the current Texans GM.
Jayded
Footballguy
So I know it's an exercise in futility, but I'm curious to ask my fellow Texans fans.....
What if - we still had the roster we have right now AND we had kept our picks. Assume, for argument's sake, we had our 1st and 2nd round picks this year and were picking early in the draft.
What do you think Houston would or should have done? Also assume Watson is in the trouble he already is in too. Do we pick a QB at 3 or would we have tried to go for someone like Pitts or Sewell? I'm just curious as to what might have been for the Texans with a top 3 pick in this draft.
What if - we still had the roster we have right now AND we had kept our picks. Assume, for argument's sake, we had our 1st and 2nd round picks this year and were picking early in the draft.
What do you think Houston would or should have done? Also assume Watson is in the trouble he already is in too. Do we pick a QB at 3 or would we have tried to go for someone like Pitts or Sewell? I'm just curious as to what might have been for the Texans with a top 3 pick in this draft.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
You'd have taken that San Fran offer for the 3rd for sure.
If they had the 3 pick I think they would have really looked into this Watson thing deeper/quicker and tried to get some idea of if/what his punishment might be. I think you have to take a QB there though if you're Houston and you're picking at 3. If the Watson stuff clears and he agrees to stay in Houston (two massive IFS), then you can trade Lance/Fields and get a good return on them. (Could easily get a next year 1st + more picks probably from a team like Denver/Detroit)
If Watson is suspended, then you have a future QB to groom. If Watson is cleared but still refuses to play in Houston, then you can trade him for multiple high picks in the future and use those to build around Lance/Fields.
What good is a guy like PItts when you have so many holes and no franchise QB? I think they'd for sure go QB in your hypothetical situation.
GregR
Footballguy
Seth Payne story on the radio this morning. Back when Rick Smith was DC, think it was his last year in the league, he got to camp and was running with the 3rd string, and Smith was calling him by the wrong name.
Payne wondered what was going on. He was in a camp battle with Robaire Smith to be nose tackle. So, then at the end of camp Rick Smith (the GM) comes to him about taking a pay cut. As Seth put it, and then it all kind of made sense, they'd been trying to worry him to get him to take the pay cut when it was time.
He said no. They cut Robaire Smith.
This came out while talking about how Deshaun Watson might react to being made to practice with the third string, even they even let him practice at all (injury would derail whatever trade value he has after all). Anyway, just thought it was an interesting story. One that made me shake my head.
Payne wondered what was going on. He was in a camp battle with Robaire Smith to be nose tackle. So, then at the end of camp Rick Smith (the GM) comes to him about taking a pay cut. As Seth put it, and then it all kind of made sense, they'd been trying to worry him to get him to take the pay cut when it was time.
He said no. They cut Robaire Smith.
This came out while talking about how Deshaun Watson might react to being made to practice with the third string, even they even let him practice at all (injury would derail whatever trade value he has after all). Anyway, just thought it was an interesting story. One that made me shake my head.
Wondering what the compensation is, and how much guaranteed salary the Texans may be eating.
Warhogs
Footballguy
I would think they would be getting very little in return. I can't see a real reason for Green Bay to give up much of an asset for Cobb when they could just sign a free agent like Golden Tate. I would guess something like a 5th for Cobb and a 6th where they are in essence sliding down a round. I suppose if GB is picking late and HOU is early it might be a little more separation.
Honestly not sure I will even bother trying to watch this year. The team hasn’t felt this barren of talent since the expansion years, at least then you could hope for the future and were just happy to have a team again. Maybe the team surprises somehow but this feels like 2011-2013 era L-Astros level of pathetic coming up.
GregR
Footballguy
Yeah I've got tickets so no option really other than throw away the cost of the PSL to stop paying season prices. And I completely understand those who did so this year. Not sure if I'm going to last much longer if they keep making the kind of bonehead moves they have.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I knew individuals could be delusional but I didn't think it was possible for an entire organization.
Jayded
Footballguy
Why is it when the Texans look set up for a top pick does it have to be a year where one of the likely top 3 picks is a can’t miss DE?
This team needs a QB when we move on from Watson and I’d prefer Rattler far more than Howell next year. Hearing the affinity draft nicks have for Thibodeaux has me worried knowing our front office.
It’ll be the Lions and Texans fighting for the 1.1 and we better not screw it up.
This team needs a QB when we move on from Watson and I’d prefer Rattler far more than Howell next year. Hearing the affinity draft nicks have for Thibodeaux has me worried knowing our front office.
It’ll be the Lions and Texans fighting for the 1.1 and we better not screw it up.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
HOU would be crazy to move on until goodell spins his "giant roulette wheel of justice" and who knows when that will be?
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Report this morning that the Texans are open to the idea of trading any veteran players. Just off the top of my head, David Johnson(or Lindsay/Ingram/Burkhead), Brandin Cooks, Marcus Cannon, and Whitney Mercilus spring to mind as guys they could get something of value for. Probably a day 2 pick for Cooks.
Other possible available vets would include: Bradley Roby, Desmond King, maybe Justin Reid or Tytus Howard if they don't plan on signing them long-term?
Fantasy wise, Cooks would be a very interesting name, as he's an elite WR2, who is somewhat overmatched as a WR1. He's also a guy who has proven he can be effective in several different offenses. Johnson might be interesting too, especially if he were to end up on a team that would use him often in the passing game, as he's still elite there.
Teams I could see wanting Johnson: Ravens, Seahawks, Chiefs
With Dobbins going down, a more proven RB would be a nice complement to Gus, for a contending team. Seattle has an injury prone starter, and a lot of questions behind him. CEH is already banged up, and they didn't hesitate to add Bell last year, and Johnson has been more productive(and less disruptive) than him recently.
Teams I could see wanting Cooks: Ravens, Saints, Lions
Bateman and Hollywood are banged up, and its only a matter of time until Watkins is too. None of the young WRs(Boykin, Duvernay, Wallace) stepped up in camp/preseason. Ravens might have to get creative with the cap to make it work though. Who knows how long Michael Thomas will be out, and frankly if he'll be a Saint beyond 2021, Cooks adds a needed speed element that Winston has the arm to hit, and NO has never shied away from being aggressive. Lions have very little at WR, and Cooks had success with Goff. I get they are rebuilding, but at the very least Cooks would help evaluate if Goff is the guy for them. Also with a likely high draft pick, they might be able to get him for a 3.
Other possible available vets would include: Bradley Roby, Desmond King, maybe Justin Reid or Tytus Howard if they don't plan on signing them long-term?
Fantasy wise, Cooks would be a very interesting name, as he's an elite WR2, who is somewhat overmatched as a WR1. He's also a guy who has proven he can be effective in several different offenses. Johnson might be interesting too, especially if he were to end up on a team that would use him often in the passing game, as he's still elite there.
Teams I could see wanting Johnson: Ravens, Seahawks, Chiefs
With Dobbins going down, a more proven RB would be a nice complement to Gus, for a contending team. Seattle has an injury prone starter, and a lot of questions behind him. CEH is already banged up, and they didn't hesitate to add Bell last year, and Johnson has been more productive(and less disruptive) than him recently.
Teams I could see wanting Cooks: Ravens, Saints, Lions
Bateman and Hollywood are banged up, and its only a matter of time until Watkins is too. None of the young WRs(Boykin, Duvernay, Wallace) stepped up in camp/preseason. Ravens might have to get creative with the cap to make it work though. Who knows how long Michael Thomas will be out, and frankly if he'll be a Saint beyond 2021, Cooks adds a needed speed element that Winston has the arm to hit, and NO has never shied away from being aggressive. Lions have very little at WR, and Cooks had success with Goff. I get they are rebuilding, but at the very least Cooks would help evaluate if Goff is the guy for them. Also with a likely high draft pick, they might be able to get him for a 3.
Another bang up job by the brain trust in acquiring him, restructuring his contract, and then trading him away a few months later and eating said restructuring. I guess it’s good they cut bait early at least.
Jayded
Footballguy
Well if he isn't the answer and the other option was releasing him, at least we got something back. It essentially means we ended up trading McKinney for 2 6th round picks. If he couldn't even make this Texans team, no harm, no foul. I find it funny the Jets feel like they've found Carl Lawson's replacement with someone who wouldn't have made the Texans' roster.
I find that funny as well, all the blurbs in the news yesterday were all positive about the move for the Jets. I guess it was a cheap acquisition at least. For the Texans a 6th is better than nothing, but they are eating nearly $2 million in salary cap they didn’t have to because there was no need to restructure his contract.
McKinney cut by the Dolphins. Another trade in a long line of “one man’s trash is also another man’s trash.”
McKinney + 6th rounder after all this mess might just be ok with me after all.
GregR
Footballguy
Driskel, Buddy Howell, Veasy cut.
This list looks like it's still about 7 heavy:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-JWnMGWYAUq7Z8?format=png&name=medium
This list looks like it's still about 7 heavy:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-JWnMGWYAUq7Z8?format=png&name=medium
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
What's the CB pecking order heading into week 1? Is Desmond King starting... always a nice IDP piece if he's starting and returning kicks.
TY!
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GregR
Footballguy
As far as I know he is, probably some combo of him, Terrance Mitchell and Hargreaves. Not quite sure how it's going to shake out until they get out there though.
There's also Andre Roberts who might be returning kicks and punts. If he's on the roster he's likely there to be the returner. Though he's dealing with an injury too.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
You think Urban Meyer is going to just run his UDFA RB all day? I think he is going to air the ball out with his brand new toys, great confidence game for your new NFL-ready QB.
Manster
Footballguy
You don't think Robinson will be heavily involved? The Texans have the worst run defense in the league! I'm betting an easy hundy and a teeter.....plus a few receptions
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Oh, he'll be involved but Houston is horrible on all aspects of offense and defense. I think Lawrence has a bigger game, due to Urban Meyer wanting to run it up.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I hate Tyrod Taylor for WRs. Think he loves TE and RB check downs, but I could see Cooks getting some end of game work. Really hoping Phillip Lindsay can seize the RB1 and be involved in 3rd downs. Could benefit from some of those check downs.
Manster
Footballguy
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I was unfortunate to miss the turn on QB tiers I valued and then had some guys in higher tiers pluck Tannehill and Stafford... ended up with Trevor Lawrence. Not worried about his production this week.
If you are in a position where you are questioning your WR/Flex - I think most Jags WR's (Shenault/Jones/Chark) have promise. Robinson should have at least a TD, not sure on yards (as mentioned above).
I'm going for a Jags stack in DFS this week, because - it makes sense. Looking forward to the Urban Meyer is King conversation on ESPN for the following week... :X
Sammy Watkins had his best season with Tyrod. Tyrod actually has a good deep ball, his issues are more short area accuracy. Cooks is possibly going to see a career high in targets, though they'll almost certainly the worst quality of targets he's ever had. He's the only Texan I'd really want to own this season though, frankly I'm a little surprised he wasn't on the trade market.
I think Lindsay is almost a lock to NOT get 3rd down work. He's the worst pass catching RB on the roster. David Johnson is one of the best pass catching RB's in the NFL(its easily the strength of his game at this point) and Rex Burkhead and Mark Ingram have had good receiving seasons in the past.
dhockster
Footballguy
Lol, I don't disagree with you, it seems they are overpaying him. However, by trading away Roby, they will be freeing up about $9 million in cap space. So in the long run, they are not really hampering themselves against the cap as a lot of these one year veterans will be off the team next year, but it is not a really good look. And because unused cap dollars do roll forward, they are giving themselves a little bit less cap room in the future by overpaying some of these veterans now. I am hoping that Caserio knows what he is doing, but as of now, don't have any real proof that he does (or does not). We will just have to wait and see.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
It's been a couple of years since he played for the Bills, but his issue here was always that he was a very conservative QB. He's got a good NFL arm and can make the throws, but he never took any chances. He's an efficient-enough passer, 62.6% comp, 51/14 TD/INT ratio when he was with the Bills, but never really made teams pay with gunslinger Brett Favre-style traits. He's methodical, he doesn't turn the ball over, but he doesn't make the splash plays that you get from a player like Watson. the gripe with him is that he would never throw a receiver open. If the receiver's open, Tyrod will throw it....if the receiver is even remotely covered, he's going to his next progression.
I would agree with your general assessment that the quality of Cooks' targets will be....not great, for lack of a better descriptor.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I wouldn't take the data I pulled with his 3 best seasons including a roster of Sammy Watkins (before he sucked), Robert Woods, Charles Clay and LeSean McCoy to be any indication of the type of player he is now 6 years later, but different strokes for different folks, ya know?
I think he is inconsistent, looks to run or checkdown out of first read and that Cooks could see some production out of him due to garbage time only.
I don't think Tyrod Taylor is very good.
They still haven’t released what the compensation was for Roby, which usually means late-round picks at best. He may not be around long enough to contribute to this obvious rebuild so cutting his salary is a good idea, but I am concerned they may have just gave him away. He may not be a lockdown corner but he’s a solid guy, especially since he won’t be up against the top WR’s of opponents with the Saints with Lattimore there.
Pretty obvious that the tank for the #1 is in full motion, so why were wasting money on old men like Ingram, Burkhead, and now Amendola for example just makes no sense. Why not take chances on young UDFA’s or off other teams practice squads or waivers?
GregR
Footballguy
The Texans traded cornerback Bradley Roby to the Saints on Thursday for a 2022 third-round draft pick and a 2023 conditional sixth-round pick.
