2021 Philadelphia Eagles - Queued up a playlist of our greatest zits throughout the season for final game (2 Viewers)

[Terpman22]

For many of us, in Goedert we trust. He made a great catch in the same game with 2 drops. Hurts passer rating must be off the charts when targeting Goedert.

Yeah, he will work it out. He's already a stud TE in the league in my mind/eyes, although the fantasy football crowd would disagree. Pretty much the prototypical tight end that does EVERYTHING ++, but yeah gotta work on the dropsies. Big fan of double gun Goedert

 

[Bigboy10182000]

here are Hurts' stats for the year:

Thomas R. Petersen

@thomasrp93

Jalen Hurts' accuracy in 2021: • On target throws: 78.6 % (8th in NFL) • Bad throws: 13.6 % (3rd lowest in NFL) • Dropped passes: 5.7 % (5th highest in NFL) #Eagles (Via PFR)

That is some of his stats and they seem “good” until you look at the entire league. I think we can all say he’s improved from last year to this year and not to take anything away from him, MANY players have. The coaching staff has done well and our schedule has helped too. 
 

I think the argument with Hurts is what else do people want?

Personally I want a lot and I don’t think it’s unreasonable. For starters we have all watched this game for a long time. We have a TON of experience here with this type of QB to have a general idea of what to expect or where he is in comparison to them. Who do you see him similar to out of Cunningham, McNabb or Vick? With hindsight were you pleased with them here or did you want more?

The one thing I learned from Wentz’s time here was to temper my expectations for progression. With the way he started, I expected massive leaps year to year and was certain he’d be a great. With that said, Hurts has a QBR and rating in the 20’s. Around names like Bridgewater, Heinekie and Daniel Jones. What if he only improves slightly? Are you content with having a starting QB who’s in the bottom half of the league? In a passing league he is 28th in YPG, sandwiched in between Tua and Davis Mills. 

To put it short- I’m happy he’s progressed and I think he can win games at this level with how we use him. But I 100% want and need more if this is to be sustainable. Both can be true at the same time. 

 

[JetMaxx]

That play is a perfect example of exactly what he is—a single read QB who is late a lot of times in getting the ball out.

The broadcast and many will harp on Goedert being open when in fact the ball had to be out a second faster to Quez. The ball should have been out when the safety flattened. He was late getting the ball out. When you go back and watch the play, he’s still in his drop when the ball should be out  

Hurts (and, many, many QB’s) are good at explaining what they saw and what should have been done.  Not all process it and execute the same. 

I’ve been a big Hurts guy from the start, love his character, work ethic and talent aside from his arm strength. With that said, he is slow seeing and reading the field and poor at timing throws that would greatly benefit a guy like Smith who creates separation out of his breaks. Hurts has improved but IMO the jury is still out as to whether he is the caliber of passer that a team with Super Bowl aspirations must have. 

 

[Insein]

We'll see how does down the stretch, in the playoffs and all next year. After that the book will be out on whether he is improving and has a higher ceiling or he is what he is. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

We'll see how does down the stretch, in the playoffs and all next year. After that the book will be out on whether he is improving and has a higher ceiling or he is what he is. 

The book will be out on him and Sirianni starting next year with a full off-season of tape. We presumably will have a tougher schedule as well so next year will answer a lot of questions. 

 

[Amused to Death]

We'll see how does down the stretch, in the playoffs and all next year. After that the book will be out on whether he is improving and has a higher ceiling or he is what he is. 

Exactly where I'm at. I just put a positive spin on it.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I cannot fathom how you guys think Hurts is a quarterback. I see the stats posted above but IMO they are misleading. These running backs playing QB have their way for a bit because the threat to run opens things up but once teams take away the crossing patterns it’s curtains. His instincts are atrocious. Also, after a few years the legs and speed go and then you are left with Marc Brunel, the redskins years. 

At some point of a critical game you need a passer to make a extremely difficult pass and asking a guy who’s main attributes are running to make such a important and difficult pass seems….. dumb. See those two last plays of the game for the Baltimore. Both  plays were there and a better passer would have completed them. 

Just my two cents and I know nobody asked. I’m not crapping on the Eagles, just talking football philosophy. 

 

[Terpman22]

I cannot fathom how you guys think Hurts is a quarterback. I see the stats posted above but IMO they are misleading. These running backs playing QB have their way for a bit because the threat to run opens things up but once teams take away the crossing patterns it’s curtains. His instincts are atrocious. Also, after a few years the legs and speed go and then you are left with Marc Brunel, the redskins years. 

At some point of a critical game you need a passer to make a extremely difficult pass and asking a guy who’s main attributes are running to make such a important and difficult pass seems….. dumb. See those two last plays of the game for the Baltimore. Both  plays were there and a better passer would have completed them. 

Just my two cents and I know nobody asked. I’m not crapping on the Eagles, just talking football philosophy. 

So you're comparing a 2nd round QB that was a Heisman Runnerin his 2nd year, 1st year as a starter that is trending up and  is progressing and not a finished product to a critical play made by an undrafted FA QB who had his very first start in November this year. Seems....dumb. Just my two cents and I know nobody asked and I'm not crapping on your terrible QB evaluation and apples to oranges comparisons, just talking football philosophy. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

So you're comparing a 2nd round QB that was a Heisman Runnerin his 2nd year, 1st year as a starter that is trending up and  is progressing and not a finished product to a critical play made by an undrafted FA QB who had his very first start in November this year. Seems....dumb. Just my two cents and I know nobody asked and I'm not crapping on your terrible QB evaluation and apples to oranges comparisons, just talking football philosophy. 

You called my comparison crappy and terrible. Then ended it, condescendingly by mocking me. 

Doesn’t hurt my feelings and says quite a bit about you. I just won’t talk football with you if you can’t handle a little criticism of some dude you’re not related to.

 

[Terpman22]

You called my comparison crappy and terrible. Then ended it, condescendingly by mocking me. 

Doesn’t hurt my feelings and says quite a bit about you. I just won’t talk football with you if you can’t handle a little criticism of some dude you’re not related to.

All good. Not worried about feelings. You don't think Hurts is a QB by mockingly calling him a running back right? And then compared him to a guy with zero pedigree b/c that is getting spot starts b/c the guy they used to call a running back that won an MVP is now out with Covid. But please go on about your QB evaluation, says a lot about you, as a QB eye. Feelings get hurt sometimes, and silly hot takes need to be cooled off from time to time. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Also, after a few years the legs and speed go and then you are left with Marc Brunel, the redskins years. 

I don’t think that’s a good comp. Jalen is already a better or comparable passer and a WAY better runner than Brunnell ever was. Brunnell won a lot early on too for how he was  I do think him and Hurts have that in common 

Some will disagree with your overall post but many in this area feel the same way about him. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

All good. Not worried about feelings. You don't think Hurts is a QB by mockingly calling him a running back right? And then compared him to a guy with zero pedigree b/c that is getting spot starts b/c the guy they used to call a running back that won an MVP is now out with Covid. But please go on about your QB evaluation, says a lot about you, as a QB eye. Feelings get hurt sometimes, and silly hot takes need to be cooled off from time to time. 

I get it. I don’t parrot the same crap everyone else does but It’s not a hot take. It’s the truth. If you disagree that’s fine but the only one who is being emotional and getting all up in their feels is you. 

Hurts is not a quarterback. He is a better runner than he is a quarterback. Is that up for debate? So he’s a running back playing quarterback. Since your brought him up, neither is Lamar Jackson. Neither was RGIII which I also called - in 2012. None of which have won anything besides a MVP and none of which will win anything meaningful. 

These dudes are (sometimes) awesome running college stuff during the regular season. Teams generally don’t change their entire defensive identity for one to two games per season when they face pure running QBs. During the playoffs, when defenses are better and they spend all their time prepping for a win at all costs game, these dudes get smoked. 

Since you’re hung up on what round people were drafted and their pedigree - Hurts is exactly the same dude who got run out of Alabama when he was replaced by a better passer. 
 

You may not like it but that’s the straight dope. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I don’t think that’s a good comp. Jalen is already a better or comparable passer and a WAY better runner than Brunnell ever was. Brunnell won a lot early on too for how he was  I do think him and Hurts have that in common 

Some will disagree with your overall post but many in this area feel the same way about him. 

I think it’s a good comparison. Theyre both ~60% guys who can run. Brunell didn’t play in the same pass happy league and also didn’t have the read option to rely on but I don’t think he would have been any worse reading the DE/OLB than Hurts has shown to be. 
 

Brunell slightly better passer, Hurts slightly better runner. Both = meh.

 

[DJackson10]

It's not insulting to you. You hated and have been bashing Hurts since day one.  So no, no one believes you are honestly reviewing tape and basing your dislike him off it. We get it, you hate the guy. But we're not looking at you for honest evaluations of him, so don't be "insulted" by it. 

I've been calling out Hurts weaknesses since college. It is kind of insulting and not holding myself accountable. There were a lot of people who watch tape and do it for a living who said the same about the play. So Hurts is basically saying those guys don't know how to do their job. Honestly this is the only time I've had an issue with his comments since being here. He's a one read QB right now who has to improve on that a lot more. 

Honestly Hurts right here gave the Seth Joyner comment of "I play the game you don't so you can't have an opinion" bit here with those comments. Not like anyone isn't saying anything we aren't already. And as someone who does play Madden yeah I'm insulted by it. I actually liked that feature but the supposed Expert gamers were too challenged by the feature so Madden got rid of it as they were thinking about their $$$$ on that. However that's not the people who called Hurts on it out or the only ones on him missing a wide open guy. Literally EVERYONE DID. Just say I need to do a better job of reading field. It's something I can learn from. We don't need the "this was the play X and why I threw there." Just take accountability and move forward. The Video game comment is just a copout honestly. 

 

[DJackson10]

same, and definitely a good point looking at the season as a whole. i remember DJackson pointing out how he wouldn't pass in the middle of the field, and he was right. luckily that only was for the first 2 games of the season (i believe) and he has become much better throughout the year. 

This was going on since his rookie year in those 4 starts. I don't know what changed but it is a nice change. 

I think the argument with Hurts is what else do people want? i think you need to look at the window of the team, and they have some old vets, but they have some good young talent too. If they were like they were a year or 2 ago, trading for one of the older vets could be a good move. but i think with the current team Hurts makes sense for next year. he seems to have the right work ethic and desire to be better, and we don't hear the rumors like we did years past with discontentment in the locker room. 

I've only seen a few things he's improved on but I don't see him ever being the guy. My issue is the things he needs to improve I don't think he ever will. I think he's going to be a one read QB most of his career who continually struggles to be consistent on a game to game bases. Will have issues reading pre and post snap defenses and always have timing issues with where the ball should go. Hurts needs a team built around him with a top 5 dominate Defense, dominate O-Line and Run game and WRs. I also think Hurts lack of deep ball strength and timing is a negative and doesn't help us exploit the speed we have at WR so teams aren't going to play soft coverage which opens up the run game more knowing there's no real threat of a guy beating them deep. I also don't trust him to be a guy if needed to rely on him winning a game with his arm. With his athleticism he's going to win a game or two we should've lost but I think he's also going to lose us a lot more games we should've won as well. 

My biggest concern isn't just Hurts but us getting that top 10 type defense to surround him with. I don't remember who it was but I thought the Teddy Bridgwater/Tyrod Taylor ceiling comparison was pretty good. He's talented enough to bridge gap you or high end Back up QB, but he's never going to be a guy who you should rely on to carry you. There's nothing wrong with that. I just prefer getting a Franchise QB in there who can hopefully be here for at least a decade where you can set it and forget about it, instead of questioning the position every year to upgrade. 

I don't need Aaron Rodgers back there but if I can get a Big Ben or Phillip Rivers I'm cool with that. I just want consistency with my QB and know if we had to he can carry the team on his back especially in bigger games. Heck I'll take a steady Matt Ryan career at QB. I'm not asking for the next Future HoFer here. I just want the most important position on the team not be questioned every off season of is he or isn't he the guy. And honestly I think thats what many people want. 

 

[babydemon90]

I cannot fathom how you guys think Hurts is a quarterback. I see the stats posted above but IMO they are misleading. These running backs playing QB have their way for a bit because the threat to run opens things up but once teams take away the crossing patterns it’s curtains. His instincts are atrocious. Also, after a few years the legs and speed go and then you are left with Marc Brunel, the redskins years. 

At some point of a critical game you need a passer to make a extremely difficult pass and asking a guy who’s main attributes are running to make such a important and difficult pass seems….. dumb. See those two last plays of the game for the Baltimore. Both  plays were there and a better passer would have completed them. 

Just my two cents and I know nobody asked. I’m not crapping on the Eagles, just talking football philosophy. 

Literally, we are ALL saying if he is going to be a long term starter he's going to have to keep improving?
He's no worse then Dak was year 2 before the Cowboys got him Amari and invested heavily in weapons for him.  No one here thinks if he stays at this level it's fine.  We're saying its an improvement from last year, and we hope the improvement trend continues.

 

[DJackson10]

That is some of his stats and they seem “good” until you look at the entire league. I think we can all say he’s improved from last year to this year and not to take anything away from him, MANY players have. The coaching staff has done well and our schedule has helped too. 
 

Personally I want a lot and I don’t think it’s unreasonable. For starters we have all watched this game for a long time. We have a TON of experience here with this type of QB to have a general idea of what to expect or where he is in comparison to them. Who do you see him similar to out of Cunningham, McNabb or Vick? With hindsight were you pleased with them here or did you want more?

The one thing I learned from Wentz’s time here was to temper my expectations for progression. With the way he started, I expected massive leaps year to year and was certain he’d be a great. With that said, Hurts has a QBR and rating in the 20’s. Around names like Bridgewater, Heinekie and Daniel Jones. What if he only improves slightly? Are you content with having a starting QB who’s in the bottom half of the league? In a passing league he is 28th in YPG, sandwiched in between Tua and Davis Mills. 

To put it short- I’m happy he’s progressed and I think he can win games at this level with how we use him. But I 100% want and need more if this is to be sustainable. Both can be true at the same time. 

I didn't see Cunningham his whole career and I was young but from what I do remember and have gone back and studied I was content with his level. Randall just had some ego issues he needed tone down a bit and the coaching hires that were made after Buddy Ryan was gone were questionable at best and I think hindered Randall's growth. 

McNabb i liked but always frustrated that he never had a #1 till the end of his career. Those Eagles teams remind me of the DRose/Noah/Deng/Butler Bulls without all the injuries every year to the star players. Both were one bigger name away from competing for the league Title constantly and maybe win 1 or 2 titles. 

Vick: I thought he was the most overrated Player in the NFL ever not named Joe Namath till Lamar Jackson came along. Hated the signing and never thought he should've played again ever. Happy he turned his life around but that was it. I know a lot of people were frustrated with McNabb but he won us playoff games where Vick didn't and I hated Vick's hero ball try to make something out of nothing style each play. Vick had one really good season here that looked a lot better because of the Madden like Numbers you put up on Rookie mode in the first half and then played on All Madden/Legend difficulty the second Half and struggled big time going back to many old habits. Because of the first half #s his overall numbers didn't look as bad. I likened it to Cam Newton's MVP Season when they went to the SB and he had awful first half numbers. Got super hot in the 2nd half where his numbers looked much better then they really could've been 

As for Hurts If he's Vick at all I'm not liking it. If he's McNabb and we get a defense similar to McNabb with better weapons I'm totally fine, especially if Hurts is consistent each year. Cunningham I'd be ecstatic but I just don't see that happening. 

 

[Deamon]

I've been calling out Hurts weaknesses since college. It is kind of insulting and not holding myself accountable.

You don't "hold yourself accountable" unless you're "right".

Remember when you called Parsons a terrible pick and said how bad he was?  Then when you've been asked since then what your honest thoughts are on him, you've ignored them.  Care to weigh in on what you think of his play now and if he was a great pick or not? 

(I'm sure you won't but will continue to bash Hurts)

 

[DJackson10]

The book will be out on him and Sirianni starting next year with a full off-season of tape. We presumably will have a tougher schedule as well so next year will answer a lot of questions. 

People keep forgetting this. Outside of Dal and TB who have we really beat? A lot of mediocre to horrible teams. I know I know you can only beat the teams you play on your schedule etc etc but it's a good point. Next year we'll face tougher competition and Hurts as well as this team as a whole will get tested. We'll find a lot out about where we measure with the rest of the league presumable after the season ends next year. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I didn't see Cunningham his whole career and I was young but from what I do remember and have gone back and studied I was content with his level. Randall just had some ego issues he needed tone down a bit and the coaching hires that were made after Buddy Ryan was gone were questionable at best and I think hindered Randall's growth. 

McNabb i liked but always frustrated that he never had a #1 till the end of his career. Those Eagles teams remind me of the DRose/Noah/Deng/Butler Bulls without all the injuries every year to the star players. Both were one bigger name away from competing for the league Title constantly and maybe win 1 or 2 titles. 

Vick: I thought he was the most overrated Player in the NFL ever not named Joe Namath till Lamar Jackson came along. Hated the signing and never thought he should've played again ever. Happy he turned his life around but that was it. I know a lot of people were frustrated with McNabb but he won us playoff games where Vick didn't and I hated Vick's hero ball try to make something out of nothing style each play. Vick had one really good season here that looked a lot better because of the Madden like Numbers you put up on Rookie mode in the first half and then played on All Madden/Legend difficulty the second Half and struggled big time going back to many old habits. Because of the first half #s his overall numbers didn't look as bad. I likened it to Cam Newton's MVP Season when they went to the SB and he had awful first half numbers. Got super hot in the 2nd half where his numbers looked much better then they really could've been 

As for Hurts If he's Vick at all I'm not liking it. If he's McNabb and we get a defense similar to McNabb with better weapons I'm totally fine, especially if Hurts is consistent each year. Cunningham I'd be ecstatic but I just don't see that happening. 

Cunningham was ruined by the lack of coaching. Buddy Ryan had no interest in developing him or coaching offense.  Randel Cunningham was an amazing athlete and should have been an all timer. 

 

[DJackson10]

I cannot fathom how you guys think Hurts is a quarterback. I see the stats posted above but IMO they are misleading. These running backs playing QB have their way for a bit because the threat to run opens things up but once teams take away the crossing patterns it’s curtains. His instincts are atrocious. Also, after a few years the legs and speed go and then you are left with Marc Brunel, the redskins years. 

At some point of a critical game you need a passer to make a extremely difficult pass and asking a guy who’s main attributes are running to make such a important and difficult pass seems….. dumb. See those two last plays of the game for the Baltimore. Both  plays were there and a better passer would have completed them. 

Just my two cents and I know nobody asked. I’m not crapping on the Eagles, just talking football philosophy. 

This is where I'm at. Baltimore's Issues right now aren't just Lamar Jackson though. It was a good pick at the time because Baltimore had a great Run game and a top 10- top 5 Defense which IMHO are the best for a guy like Lamar and Hurts because I think their primes are right as they enter the league and falls off from there. These guys are win now type draft picks. If you want to throw away developing a QB you can have for the next decade possible for a win now at all costs approach if that's how your team is built these are the guys to have. 

I see people constantly arguing how Lamar won the MVP. Ok good for him but in the playoffs he looked like he'd never played QB in his life. Baltimore's D is questionable at best, I know they got RB injuries but that team was headed in a possible rebuild mode faster then anyone honestly. I think they'd be insane to give Lamar a huge contract. 

Lets go with another example. Colin Kaepernick. There were issues after he signed his extension of not practicing hard and not being the best of teammates however he went into a perfect storm. Honestly they traded Alex Smith to gamble on a win now approach. Top 3 D, great Run game and offensive line. They made it to the Super Bowl but when it came time for SF to rely on CK's arm he couldn't win it. After the book was out and teams took those running lanes away, the crossing routes and SF had talent thin out you saw what CK was. A glorified RB playing QB who had a better threat to throw the ball as a wildcat option then really starting at the QB position. 

A lot of fans want to BuT jOsH aLlEn? But I think he's an exception to this rule. I thought he was a really good prospects who got stereotyped because of him coming from a smaller school. Allen improved big time and he also went to the perfect team. Perfect HC and OC and a team with a good Defense that has become better. Run game questionable outside of Allen himself but a ton of good receiving targets. 

Fans like these Running QBs because they make the game exciting. Hey I loved seeing Randall Cunningham run but IMHO these other guys are just posers and you'll never see something like that again in this league. You were lucky if you were alive to see him play and the amount of disrespect he gets constantly from people is mind boggling. THere's no Lamar's, No Vick's, No RGIIIs Etc if it wasn't for Randall. I just find many of these guys frustrating as I grow older. I don't care if he makes watching Football fun. Fun to me is being a contender at this point in my fan hood. I want to be competing for titles or at least in the hunt to win Conference titles and get to the SB. Let the Lions of the NFL teams have "the fun" running QBs of the NFL. because god only knows those fanbases need something to cheer for. 

 

[DJackson10]

Cunningham was ruined by the lack of coaching. Buddy Ryan had no interest in developing him or coaching offense.  Randel Cunningham was an amazing athlete and should have been an all timer. 

I don't think it was Ryan as much as it was them Hiring Kotite to replace him was. From what I remember reading in a book I have greatest Eagles ever. I think Ray Didenger mentioned a name of another coach who was in the running or many thought was perfect for Cunningham was. The Name escapes me but if memory serves me right most weren't blaming Ryan as much as it was the hiring of Kotite rather then another coach to replace Ryan. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Literally, we are ALL saying if he is going to be a long term starter he's going to have to keep improving?
He's no worse then Dak was year 2 before the Cowboys got him Amari and invested heavily in weapons for him.  No one here thinks if he stays at this level it's fine.  We're saying its an improvement from last year, and we hope the improvement trend continues.

That’s all fair. I would worry that he’s going to win just enough to keep things from progressing and in the end you’ll need to start the whole process of developing a young QB when you already have a lot of good skill players and a very good OL. The defense just needs a full draft dedicated to it and it should be better than solid. 

But hey, what do I know, I think Menshew is your best QB and has a future in this league. I don’t think coaches like his eccentricities.  

 

[DJackson10]

Literally, we are ALL saying if he is going to be a long term starter he's going to have to keep improving?
He's no worse then Dak was year 2 before the Cowboys got him Amari and invested heavily in weapons for him.  No one here thinks if he stays at this level it's fine.  We're saying its an improvement from last year, and we hope the improvement trend continues.

I can't speak for him but perhaps he's making a general public statement and not just this thread. 

I literally today saw some fan on Reddit (OP locked it because he couldn't take constructive criticism) that was about the Peterson PFF tweet. 

One fan came in said (And I''ll go line by line here

"Stats mean nothing we need to tamper expectations since Hurts is in his first year and looks much better then his predecessor did"

Hurts is in his 2nd year as a starter. Wentz actually started 16 games in his rookie year and then would've been league MVP in his 2nd year if not for tearing his knee and had the Eagles with the best record in the NFL. At the time no one was really questioning if Wentz was the guy or not. Most actually believed we found our franchise QB already. Hurts hasn't come close to what he did yet

"Watching Hard Knocks I actually realized who Wentz really is a below AVG QB. Only Good QB under Frank Reich and every play is specifically designed to his abilities and disabilities"

Ok if you actually know the game a good coach actually coaches to his players abilities. The BEST COACHES DESIGN PLAYS SPECIFICALLY TO WHAT FITS THEIR PLAYERS BEST ABILITIES TO ALLOW THEM THE POTENTIAL OF HIGHER SUCCESS. If Wentz Is below avg I guess we can say that about Hurts because the Eagles are doing the same thing with Hurts. The only thing you told anyone in these two sentences is you learned coaches designed plays to fit players best abilities but took it to the wrong level of thinking this makes a player bad for some reason? 

"Would I like him back instead of Hurts? NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yes he had that many exclamation points in there.. Lets get to the sentence itself. Who pissed in his cereal this morning? Did Wentz do something person to this guy? He seems pretty upset. Never wanting a guy back but emphatically saying it and wanting a guy in his 2nd year who hasn't really proven if he's really the guy or an AVG Starter? Ok 

this is the type of statement I expect to see someone on WIP make. There's also a ton of people on social media saying Hurts is a franchise QB etc. So again I can't speak for Steady himself on where he went with his comment but I'm taking a wild guess and say it's a general statement because my Twitter TL is filled with a lot of Hurts Apologists in my Eagles mentions constantly as well as comments on Facebooks Eagles pages etc. 

Thankfully I've seen a big more level headed from people coming out more. But these are definitely some of the stuff floating around out there. 

 

[DJackson10]

But hey, what do I know, I think Menshew is your best QB and has a future in this league. I don’t think coaches like his eccentricities.  

Speaking of Minshew I was surprised and forgot about this report until you said something. Surprised it wasn't posted in here unless I missed it. 

From this past Sunday 

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen said Sunday that Minshew went into Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni’s office after the Week 13 game and asked what it will take for him to earn the starting job going forward. Sirianni told Minshew it is “not going to happen” and that the team is committed to Hurts for the remainder of the season

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

You don't "hold yourself accountable" unless you're "right".

Remember when you called Parsons a terrible pick and said how bad he was?  Then when you've been asked since then what your honest thoughts are on him, you've ignored them.  Care to weigh in on what you think of his play now and if he was a great pick or not? 

(I'm sure you won't but will continue to bash Hurts)

Ill speak for Djax. He has previously addressed it. He doesn’t like Parsons because of the alleged accusations about his college locker behavior.

The accuser, Isaiah Humphries sued the school, coach and other players but oddly did not name Micah Parsons in the suit, which was later dismissed.

So that’s why DJax doesn’t like him. You guys (should) know DJax well enough by now to figure out that his mind is made up and he believes Parsons is a bad guy.

DJax is a principled man and nothing Parsons does on the field and no amount of arguing or convincing is going to change that. 

 

[Deamon]

Ill speak for Djax. He has previously addressed it. He doesn’t like Parsons because of the alleged accusations about his college locker behavior.

The accuser, Isaiah Humphries sued the school, coach and other players but oddly did not name Micah Parsons in the suit, which was later dismissed.

So that’s why DJax doesn’t like him. You guys (should) know DJax well enough by now to figure out that his mind is made up and he believes Parsons is a bad guy.

DJax is a principled man and nothing Parsons does on the field and no amount of arguing or convincing is going to change that. 

Nah, was more wanting to know if Djax thought Parson's was a terrible player on the field like he stated earlier in the year.  Nothing about off the field stuff.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Speaking of Minshew I was surprised and forgot about this report until you said something. Surprised it wasn't posted in here unless I missed it. 

From this past Sunday 

That’s kinda F’d up, especially considering they traded for him. I mean I’m all for telling him he hasn’t proven he’s better but to close the door on a player flat out goes against everything most coaches preach. 
 

With that said this isn’t anything that’s out of the ordinary in the NFL. The NFL isn’t much different than most workplaces where there is nepotism and politics over what’s right and wrong. I know a former Cowboys player who told me his story and how he was told he earned the job only for it to be taken away by a FA signing. Follow the money. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Nah, was more wanting to know if Djax thought Parson's was a terrible player on the field like he stated earlier in the year.  Nothing about off the field stuff.

Im totally with you but that’s not how DJax operates. I don’t think he’s reached the point being adept at separating one from the other.  

 

[Deamon]

Im totally with you but that’s not how DJax operates.  

Ahh, I see now from reading above that you guys have buddied up over your "Hurts/Jackson/Athletic QB's suck" stance.  Maybe you can ask him why he still thinks the DPOY is a terrible player on the field, or why he predictably dodges any question where he might have been wrong on a call he made.  Guy loves to brag and gloat more than any other poster on these boards lol.  He legit said Parson's was a terrible pick, and that Hurts will be a terrible pick unless he's the league MVP lol

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

@DJackson10 -Am I right about why you don’t like Parsons? If you can separate the college hazing accusations for a sec, you can admit that Parsons is a helluva player, right? 

 

[need2know]

I cannot fathom how you guys think Hurts is a quarterback. I see the stats posted above but IMO they are misleading. These running backs playing QB have their way for a bit because the threat to run opens things up but once teams take away the crossing patterns it’s curtains. His instincts are atrocious. Also, after a few years the legs and speed go and then you are left with Marc Brunel, the redskins years. 

At some point of a critical game you need a passer to make a extremely difficult pass and asking a guy who’s main attributes are running to make such a important and difficult pass seems….. dumb. See those two last plays of the game for the Baltimore. Both  plays were there and a better passer would have completed them. 

Just my two cents and I know nobody asked. I’m not crapping on the Eagles, just talking football philosophy. 

I like hurts more than most but i have to agree.   I think he continues to get a bit better but at this point we know what he is and he has serious limitations.   Qb is the most important position and you cannot just settle for average if you want to win.   

Some compare him to young dak and I don't see much of that.  Dak was a far better passer and you saw flashes earlier in his nfl career than what we have seen with hurts.

That said the crop of qbs stinks this year and he's still most likely better than those coming out.   Until a better option arises I'm cool sticking with him.

 

[Terpman22]

I think it’s a good comparison. Theyre both ~60% guys who can run. Brunell didn’t play in the same pass happy league and also didn’t have the read option to rely on but I don’t think he would have been any worse reading the DE/OLB than Hurts has shown to be. 
 

Brunell slightly better passer, Hurts slightly better runner. Both = meh.

Year 1: 12/27, 95 yards 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 6 rush, 7 yards 1 TD

Year 2: 201/346, 2168, 15 TDs, 7 ints, 67 rush, 480 yards 4 TDs

Year 3 353/557, 4367 yards, 19 TDs, 20 INTs, 80 rush, 396 yds, 3 TDs 

 

[Terpman22]

I didn't see Cunningham his whole career and I was young but from what I do remember and have gone back and studied I was content with his level. Randall just had some ego issues he needed tone down a bit and the coaching hires that were made after Buddy Ryan was gone were questionable at best and I think hindered Randall's growth. 

McNabb i liked but always frustrated that he never had a #1 till the end of his career. Those Eagles teams remind me of the DRose/Noah/Deng/Butler Bulls without all the injuries every year to the star players. Both were one bigger name away from competing for the league Title constantly and maybe win 1 or 2 titles. 

Vick: I thought he was the most overrated Player in the NFL ever not named Joe Namath till Lamar Jackson came along. Hated the signing and never thought he should've played again ever. Happy he turned his life around but that was it. I know a lot of people were frustrated with McNabb but he won us playoff games where Vick didn't and I hated Vick's hero ball try to make something out of nothing style each play. Vick had one really good season here that looked a lot better because of the Madden like Numbers you put up on Rookie mode in the first half and then played on All Madden/Legend difficulty the second Half and struggled big time going back to many old habits. Because of the first half #s his overall numbers didn't look as bad. I likened it to Cam Newton's MVP Season when they went to the SB and he had awful first half numbers. Got super hot in the 2nd half where his numbers looked much better then they really could've been 

As for Hurts If he's Vick at all I'm not liking it. If he's McNabb and we get a defense similar to McNabb with better weapons I'm totally fine, especially if Hurts is consistent each year. Cunningham I'd be ecstatic but I just don't see that happening. 

Randall just didn't study. He liked being a Superstar. He had a skillset at the time no one could touch and he knew it. Kind of insulting to us fans that he didn't take it seriously until he got to Minnesota. 

 

[TampaMike19]

You got as good a shot as any now with Gibson on covid and Kirk on covid 

 

[Terpman22]

You got as good a shot as any now with Gibson on covid and Kirk on covid 

Playoff berths and higher draft picks, brought to you by unvaxxed Quarterbacks....

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I don't think it was Ryan as much as it was them Hiring Kotite to replace him was. From what I remember reading in a book I have greatest Eagles ever. I think Ray Didenger mentioned a name of another coach who was in the running or many thought was perfect for Cunningham was. The Name escapes me but if memory serves me right most weren't blaming Ryan as much as it was the hiring of Kotite rather then another coach to replace Ryan. 

Dear lord even I cringe when I see the name Kotite. :shudder: 

One way or another it was coaching. Randall might have been an ego maniac but it’s a coaches responsibility to rein them in. As Parcells once said, “if it hurts your feelings, that’s too bad.”

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Randall just didn't study. He liked being a Superstar. He had a skillset at the time no one could touch and he knew it. Kind of insulting to us fans that he didn't take it seriously until he got to Minnesota. 

He didn’t have a coaching staff who forced him to take it seriously when he was here. Buddy had no interest in offense and was fine with the offense being “just let Randall do his thing.” Kotite had no idea what he was doing. 

 

[JetMaxx]

He didn’t have a coaching staff who forced him to take it seriously when he was here. Buddy had no interest in offense and was fine with the offense being “just let Randall do his thing.” Kotite had no idea what he was doing. 

Losing his QB coach Doug Scovil during the ‘89 season had a detrimental impact on Cunningham’s development. Apparently he was the one guy that could get through to him. 

 

[Deamon]

sitting in 8th now.... half a game back of sf and washington.  Planting my flag now and calling us getting the 7 seed with an 8-9 record.  (Then getting crushed round 1 of course)

slight adjustment and saying 7th seed at 9-8 now haha

 

[fred_1_15301]

slight adjustment and saying 7th seed at 9-8 now haha

The post you quoted was from Dec 5th.  Watching the Eagles now, do you believe that they would crushed in round 1?  I feel like a lot has changed the past few weeks and they look a lot better.  Sure the teams they face in the playoffs will be better than Washington and NY but with that offensive line and an improving defense, I think this team can hold their own against most teams in the league.  

 

[Deamon]

The post you quoted was from Dec 5th.  Watching the Eagles now, do you believe that they would crushed in round 1?  I feel like a lot has changed the past few weeks and they look a lot better.  Sure the teams they face in the playoffs will be better than Washington and NY but with that offensive line and an improving defense, I think this team can hold their own against most teams in the league.  

Ya they look a lot better than they did Dec 5th.  I still think they will lose but maybe 'crushed' is the wrong word.

There's actually a pretty good shot we get the 6 seed too.  Either way its setting up for a game vs Dallas, Tampa, or the Rams.

 

[G-King]

Ahh, I see now from reading above that you guys have buddied up over your "Hurts/Jackson/Athletic QB's suck" stance.  Maybe you can ask him why he still thinks the DPOY is a terrible player on the field, or why he predictably dodges any question where he might have been wrong on a call he made.  Guy loves to brag and gloat more than any other poster on these boards lol.  He legit said Parson's was a terrible pick, and that Hurts will be a terrible pick unless he's the league MVP lol

Djackson10 called him over rated and a horrible pick as an off the ball linebacker. He also says Dak is overrated and hasn’t done anything, even in college. Last I checked, Dak is one guy among the other 22 on the field that it takes to win and has done way more than his share to get the job done. As far as Parsons, well that one man wrecking crew has proved he was the Steal of the Draft. The common denominator in DJackson10’s hate is their uniforms. If they were Eagles, he would be telling about how they all love to meet for dinner weekly at his cousins bosses neighbors local diner.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Ya they look a lot better than they did Dec 5th.  I still think they will lose but maybe 'crushed' is the wrong word.

There's actually a pretty good shot we get the 6 seed too.  Either way its setting up for a game vs Dallas, Tampa, or the Rams.

With your oline line, as long as they stay committed to the run they could be very dangerous. I mean personally I hope my cowboys play you instead of Rogers or Brady but I would still be ####ting my pants

Happy New Years!

 

[Insein]

Djackson10 called him over rated and a horrible pick as an off the ball linebacker. He also says Dak is overrated and hasn’t done anything, even in college. Last I checked, Dak is one guy among the other 22 on the field that it takes to win and has done way more than his share to get the job done. As far as Parsons, well that one man wrecking crew has proved he was the Steal of the Draft. The common denominator in DJackson10’s hate is their uniforms. If they were Eagles, he would be telling about how they all love to meet for dinner weekly at his cousins bosses neighbors local diner.

Not Parsons. He hates Penn State. 

 

[JetMaxx]

With your oline line, as long as they stay committed to the run they could be very dangerous. I mean personally I hope my cowboys play you instead of Rogers or Brady but I would still be ####ting my pants

Happy New Years!

Playing the weak QB in the playoffs is always at the top of the wish list

 

[babydemon90]

Ya they look a lot better than they did Dec 5th.  I still think they will lose but maybe 'crushed' is the wrong word.

There's actually a pretty good shot we get the 6 seed too.  Either way its setting up for a game vs Dallas, Tampa, or the Rams.

I'm still nervous about defense playing a good QB.  When we played good QB's, we ended up giving up 85% completion rates and no forced punts. Yea, we've looked better - we've also played a long string of some of the worst QB's alive. 

 

[DJackson10]

Ill speak for Djax. He has previously addressed it. He doesn’t like Parsons because of the alleged accusations about his college locker behavior.

The accuser, Isaiah Humphries sued the school, coach and other players but oddly did not name Micah Parsons in the suit, which was later dismissed.

So that’s why DJax doesn’t like him. You guys (should) know DJax well enough by now to figure out that his mind is made up and he believes Parsons is a bad guy.

DJax is a principled man and nothing Parsons does on the field and no amount of arguing or convincing is going to change that. 

Parson's wasn't named in he actual suit per say but I also know some people close to the situation there saying Parsons and others were involved and got defended. It's just another example of colleges covering up situations to protect star players. Similar to any other college.. This is the same program where Joe Paterno knew Sean lee and Paul Pozlusny were taking PEDs like candy as well as Dan Connor. Connor I can say for a fact was doing them from HS through college because his school is in my district so I saw Connor for 3 yrs and his HS Strath Haven was involved in numerious accusations of coaches giving players PEDs and other issues (Were always twice as big as everyone else in the league) and multiple people had caught coaches giving or encouraging PED use at the school. But considering our league wasn't hardcore football like the Prep and others no one tried to take it further. 

So with that said I wasn't surprised with Connor or Sean Lee's injury history in the NFL. A lot of it was attributed to excessive use at the youth and college level of PED use by both. 

I also had a friend who went to class with a few PSU players who were never in class but got passing grades and overheard his professor talking with Paterno one day when he (my friend) went to see her. Overheard them closed door Paterno you know what will happen if my guys don't pass your class despite attending right? He only caught the tail end of it. According to people I know closet the PSU program nothing has changed there since the Sandusky situation. Franklin isn't the god like figure Joepa was but basically everything still runs through the football team I had a cousin who attended East Stroudsburg where James Franklin went and lived in the general area growing up Franklin did so I know a few people who know JF personally

My stuff on PSU isn't do to just biased and stuff. It's based on a lot of info I'd checked with numerious sources within that program. It's based on info I've received not necessary given to the general public for various and obvious reasons. My one neighbor got blackballed as he was a disciplinarian at PSU because he went against JoePa and University trying to discipline his players for something they should've been. Paterno got the person fired and black balled from ever doing his job again based on lies. 

This is also why I'm pretty opinionated on Jamis Winston. Had a friend on a Lax Scholarship there and a metal acquaintance I know from someone went to a party with FSU alumni and boosters and the FSU defense attorney's husband in the Winston case was there. He was literally bragging to people very openinly how they run the town and that Winston got off the hook and how the University owes his wife big time for the title game win because if it wasn't for her Winston would've been in prison.

Unfortunately theres an incredible dirty side of college football. I've admitted multiple times Florida was lucky to not get disciplined for the stuff Urban Meyer did while there. Ive also admitted if the Government did an independent investigation into the NCAA as a whole they could probably shut down college sports perminatedly with the skeletons these universities have in the closet. The thing is scouts and teams get this info from sources just like mine too to make decisions as well. 

 

[DJackson10]

That’s kinda F’d up, especially considering they traded for him. I mean I’m all for telling him he hasn’t proven he’s better but to close the door on a player flat out goes against everything most coaches preach. 
 

With that said this isn’t anything that’s out of the ordinary in the NFL. The NFL isn’t much different than most workplaces where there is nepotism and politics over what’s right and wrong. I know a former Cowboys player who told me his story and how he was told he earned the job only for it to be taken away by a FA signing. Follow the money. 

Not sure I believe a lot of Mort's report honestly. He's sugar coated Philly stories before including a few of the Carson stories. What I could see happened was Minshew asked if there was a chance to start and Nick telling him we're staying with Hurts for now for the remainder of the season 

 

[DJackson10]

@DJackson10 -Am I right about why you don’t like Parsons? If you can separate the college hazing accusations for a sec, you can admit that Parsons is a helluva player, right? 

I'm more so on Parsons that he was drafted as a LB but do to injuries had to change positions and is a better edge rusher. I think Dal lost some value at the LB position drafting him there but gained a better edge rusher than expected. He got absolutely embarrassed by Brady and TB in the first game of the year and I think had he stayed at that position I don't think he'd be as successful as he is now. I'd like to see consistency going into the next year. I think people are over the top on best Def player rookie wise of all time and such stuff right now but I guess it's expected since he's on the Cowboys. Good player sure but I'm glad we got Devonta Smith instead. 

But yes the college hazing is part of it. However there's other issues with Parsons as well not publicly known such as the fact he seems to not care at times when things don't go his way or takes the game as seriously as he should. Those concerns grew more when he took the year off in 2020 for COVID then declared for the draft. There's been speculation from some of my sources that Franklin and the team told Parsons to opt out to let the heat from the accusations die down publicly and just go to the draft the following year though. They are unconfirmed reports but this is stuff I've heard from people I know. There were other behavioral issues with him as well. If it wasn't for these red flags he probably goes top 3 in the draft. Some also expressed concern he might get in more legal trouble in the NFL if he doesn't mature as well. 

My biggest issue though is more so our area overrates the PSU prospects constantly. I've heard the hype on multiple PSU players that never pained out in the NFL level. People couldn't see why Parsons wasn't a top 5 pick and dropped didn't realize the concerns with him. Our they brushed off the allegations just like they brushed off Paterno not doing enough with Sandusky. There's a cult like issue with PSU supporters and alumni though. 

Parsons is a really good DE/Edge Rusher but I really liked the other LB you got in Jabril Cox who I think is an overall better LB at the NFL level and had he played top level football for more then 2 yrs instead of playing at North Dakota St for 2 yrs prior I think he would've ended up a top 10 LB pick. So I think Dal got a steal there. I think if he comes back well from the knee surgery you got a really great LB there. Pains me to say it too and I was banging the table for the Eagles to take him in the 2nd round.