2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (2 Viewers)

[Ghost Rider]

This thread is more proof that no matter how awful the actions of someone might be, someone on the internet will rush to defend. Poole being at fault in any way for being criminally assaulted is hysterical.

 

[SWC]

if you put kg and cp3 in a fight the only guys that would get worn out would be the poor souls who had to hold them back take that to the bank brochachos

 

[Zow]

bullies gonna bully until there are consequences

Golden State has enabled his ****ty behavior. why would he ever stop?

Bullies are gonna bully until somebody badder hits them back. If Dray ****s around too long he’ll get his but he knew what he was doing hitting the smaller guy. He’s a classic coward.

just like kg was take that to the bank hold me back bro hans

I assume to the American Savings and Loan Bank?

 

[Instinctive]

This thread is more proof that no matter how awful the actions of someone might be, someone on the internet will rush to defend. Poole being at fault in any way for being criminally assaulted is hysterical.

It's a hilarious indictment of people's ability to understand multiple truths at the same time.

Draymond Green was in the wrong. Is anyone defending that? I certainly am not.

Jordan Poole could have also done some things to avoid the situation.

Both are true.

 

[bryhamm]

This thread is more proof that no matter how awful the actions of someone might be, someone on the internet will rush to defend. Poole being at fault in any way for being criminally assaulted is hysterical.

who's defending him?

 

[mr. furley]

This thread is more proof that no matter how awful the actions of someone might be, someone on the internet will rush to defend. Poole being at fault in any way for being criminally assaulted is hysterical.

It's a hilarious indictment of people's ability to understand multiple truths at the same time.

Draymond Green was in the wrong. Is anyone defending that? I certainly am not.

Jordan Poole could have also done some things to avoid the situation.

Both are true.

yes, you're right. Poole could have immediately run away and hope that defused the situation. he could have punched first to avoid being punched. he could have not worn those shorts. he could have shoved Ron Adams in front of Draymond.

lots of ways Jordan Poole could have prevented being battered by someone. maybe next time he'll think twice about how he talks in practice. or who he talks to. or how he tries to prevent himself from being punched. the body has ways of shutting these things down if he doesn't want to get attacked next time.

 

[AAABatteries]

I’d be curious what would have happened if Poole had taken the shot and then beat the **** out of Green. Still just internal matter and no suspensions? The only scenario where Green shouldn’t be punished if it’s known that Poole was WAY over the line in his comments.

 

[Instinctive]

yes, you're right. Poole could have immediately run away and hope that defused the situation. he could have punched first to avoid being punched. he could have not worn those shorts. he could have shoved Ron Adams in front of Draymond.

lots of ways Jordan Poole could have prevented being battered by someone. maybe next time he'll think twice about how he talks in practice. or who he talks to. or how he tries to prevent himself from being punched. the body has ways of shutting these things down if he doesn't want to get attacked next time.

You're building a straw man and doing a great job of tearing it down. And ignoring the 6 very clear and definitely reasonable steps I put forth as obvious ways to avoid/prevent the situation.

Why is it so difficult for people to see that a conflict took two parties to happen? You really don't see that? Recognizing it doesn't mean you think Draymond Green is absolved of all responsibility and was in the right and Poole was wrong.

But it's not like the whole thing is 100% Green. Both things can be true at once. Green was totally in the wrong AND it seems really unlikely that Poole is totally innocent and without blame. He's not a guy getting his daily starbucks caught in a driveby intended for someone else.

 

[Instinctive]

If this was a negligence case in a contributory jurisdiction, I'd have a hard time believing someone could gather all the facts and then find that Poole didn't contribute at all to the situation.

 

[Anarchy99]

If this was a negligence case in a contributory jurisdiction, I'd have a hard time believing someone could gather all the facts and then find that Poole didn't contribute at all to the situation.

It's quite possible we don't know more than we do know. Maybe Poole and Green have had an adversarial relationship for a long time. Maybe the two have made comments about the other's choice of women. Maybe Poole decked Green in a different practice. We have no idea what the players were saying and why Green was running his mouth (other than Green being Green). We don't have any input or feedback from other players, coaches, or people at practice (ie witnesses) to help explain things. They have probably had a history, and we have no idea over what.

But IMO, based on the limited intel and video we have at our disposal, if we were to allocate fault, I would probably say Green was 85-90% at fault. I think Green was baiting Poole, and Poole took the cheese by pushing Green. In Green's mind, that made it GAME ON! and justified backing Poole against a wall and giving him a full force punch to the face. But I think there were limited options and realistic reactions available to Poole, as I think Green would have kept on him. Bottom line, this situation was going to erupt and have a bad outcome . . . either then or 5 minutes later. If Poole kept walking away and backing down and the team went back to practice, I think a very likely outcome is the two sparred on the court and a full-on brawl between the two would have broken out. To me, Green wanted to tussle and there was very little Poole could have done short of leaving practice altogether (and they could have gone at it the next day instead).

 

[mr. furley]

i mean, Draymond came out publicly and said it was on him. he's 100% the type of guy to shift blame whenever possible so i'd say for him to take all the responsibility tells you everything you need to know.

 

[Instinctive]

If this was a negligence case in a contributory jurisdiction, I'd have a hard time believing someone could gather all the facts and then find that Poole didn't contribute at all to the situation.

It's quite possible we don't know more than we do know. Maybe Poole and Green have had an adversarial relationship for a long time. Maybe the two have made comments about the other's choice of women. Maybe Poole decked Green in a different practice. We have no idea what the players were saying and why Green was running his mouth (other than Green being Green). We don't have any input or feedback from other players, coaches, or people at practice (ie witnesses) to help explain things. They have probably had a history, and we have no idea over what.

But IMO, based on the limit intel and video we have at our disposal, if we were to allocate fault, I would probably say Green was 85-90% at fault. I think Green was baiting Poole, and Poole took the cheese by pushing Green. In Green's mind, that made it GAME ON! and justified backing Poole against a wall and giving him a full force punch to the face. But I think there were limited options and realistic reactions available to Poole, as I think Green would have kept on him. Bottom line, this situation was going to erupt and have a bad outcome . . . either then or 5 minutes later. If Poole kept walking away and backing down and the team went back to practice, I think a very likely outcome is the two sparred on the court and a full-on brawl between the two would have broken out. To me, Green wanted to tussle and there was very little Poole could have done short of leaving practice altogether (and they could have gone at it the next day instead).

I pretty much fully agree with this. At least I'm not on crazy pills.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Why is it so difficult for people to see that a conflict took two parties to happen?

I understand you are not defending Green at all by saying Poole could have avoided the conflict. I just disagree with you on that part. It looks to me like Green was determined to beat him down no matter what - unless Poole ran away while Green was walking towards him (which is not realistic for 95% men, especially competitive athletes). If Poole says "sorry, my bad" and throws his arms up in the air, do you think that calms Green down? This was never a "heat of the moment" thing. Honestly just pushing the guy off lightly like Poole did should have ended it.
Green was determined to escalate that situation.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

We can all see that, can't we? It's not like he just lost his **** out of nowhere and went into a punching rage. What he did was wrong, and Poole clearly played a part and could have made different decisions too. How is this a controversial statement?

Serious question, what exactly could Poole have done to avoid it? Green walked to him, got chest to chest and face to face. Should he have raised his hand and called the coach over and said "Draymond is picking on me?" or just run away. He has zero choice really. Green was obviously looking for a fight and wasn't going to stop if Poole said "my bad" or whatever.

He pushed Green off as if to say "get the **** outta here" and Green then pushed back with more force to where there was plenty of space between them. It should have ended there but Green followed up and threw the punch. It was a no win situation for Poole once Draymond took that long walk over and tried to intimidate him.

He needed to be ready for a fight if he was going to push him off like that. A two-hand push like that almost always gets a return punch. I have seen this play out many times.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

We can all see that, can't we? It's not like he just lost his **** out of nowhere and went into a punching rage. What he did was wrong, and Poole clearly played a part and could have made different decisions too. How is this a controversial statement?

Serious question, what exactly could Poole have done to avoid it? Green walked to him, got chest to chest and face to face. Should he have raised his hand and called the coach over and said "Draymond is picking on me?" or just run away. He has zero choice really. Green was obviously looking for a fight and wasn't going to stop if Poole said "my bad" or whatever.

He pushed Green off as if to say "get the **** outta here" and Green then pushed back with more force to where there was plenty of space between them. It should have ended there but Green followed up and threw the punch. It was a no win situation for Poole once Draymond took that long walk over and tried to intimidate him.

He needed to be ready for a fight if he was going to push him off like that. A two-hand push like that almost always gets a return punch. I have seen this play out many times.

He was ready, I suppose. He then got pushed by a guy 40 pounds heavier which moved him back a foot or so, and was followed up with a punch.

You're missing the point which was some one saying Poole could have avoided the fight which makes your reply non-responsive.

 

[Anarchy99]

We can all see that, can't we? It's not like he just lost his **** out of nowhere and went into a punching rage. What he did was wrong, and Poole clearly played a part and could have made different decisions too. How is this a controversial statement?

Serious question, what exactly could Poole have done to avoid it? Green walked to him, got chest to chest and face to face. Should he have raised his hand and called the coach over and said "Draymond is picking on me?" or just run away. He has zero choice really. Green was obviously looking for a fight and wasn't going to stop if Poole said "my bad" or whatever.

He pushed Green off as if to say "get the **** outta here" and Green then pushed back with more force to where there was plenty of space between them. It should have ended there but Green followed up and threw the punch. It was a no win situation for Poole once Draymond took that long walk over and tried to intimidate him.

He needed to be ready for a fight if he was going to push him off like that. A two-hand push like that almost always gets a return punch. I have seen this play out many times.

I was involved in youth / AAU basketball for many years with my son. Normally if one guy pushed someone, the other guy would push back, and either they started jawing at each other or both sides started flailing at each other. I don't remember any incidents where one guy pushed and the other one brought the haymaker. Normally there would be jawing, pushing, and shoving. But not punching.

I've seen a lot of brewhahas break out over the years, whether it be at practice, a game, a tournament, in a parking lot, etc. I would guess split pretty evenly between guys on the same team and the opposition. The worst one involving our son was at an AAU tournament we drove hours and hours to get to. A kid on the other team drove the lane and my son fouled him pretty good (our coach had a no layups allowed policy). Problem was, the refs missed it and thought the kid just clanked the layup. A possession or two later, that same kid body checked my son against the wall on a fast break, and at that point it turned into full out punches with both players getting bloodied and bruised. The other player got ejected from the game (our son was allowed to keep playing as he was deemed as acting in self-defense). Problem was, our coach sent us home for the rest of the tournament for fighting and disrespecting the program. Nothing like driving 3:30 hours each direction for 3 or 4 minutes of basketball.

In a different tournament, a kid on the opposition was getting pissed because my son was making him look bad on the court. Away from the ball and behind the refs, the kid ran up to our son and threw an elbow from behind and clocked our son in the back of the head. He went down like and passed out for a minute or two. Someone caught it on video and that kid then got suspended for the rest of the season. Tempers can escalate in these situations, no doubt.

The all-time scariest incident was at a huge AAU tournament (at like 10 locations), in the game before ours, a brawl started between the players with some really racist comments getting flung left and right. That escalated to the coaches pounding on each other and then the parents fighting in the stands and then on the court. Threats were made, cops had to separate people, and shots ended up being fired in the parking lot (thankfully no one got shot), the place turned chaotic, and they cancelled the rest of the games that day. The point being, these situations can escalate really quickly.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

This thread is more proof that no matter how awful the actions of someone might be, someone on the internet will rush to defend. Poole being at fault in any way for being criminally assaulted is hysterical.

actually it shows the age of the posters as each generation has a different opinion

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

We can all see that, can't we? It's not like he just lost his **** out of nowhere and went into a punching rage. What he did was wrong, and Poole clearly played a part and could have made different decisions too. How is this a controversial statement?

Serious question, what exactly could Poole have done to avoid it? Green walked to him, got chest to chest and face to face. Should he have raised his hand and called the coach over and said "Draymond is picking on me?" or just run away. He has zero choice really. Green was obviously looking for a fight and wasn't going to stop if Poole said "my bad" or whatever.

He pushed Green off as if to say "get the **** outta here" and Green then pushed back with more force to where there was plenty of space between them. It should have ended there but Green followed up and threw the punch. It was a no win situation for Poole once Draymond took that long walk over and tried to intimidate him.

He needed to be ready for a fight if he was going to push him off like that. A two-hand push like that almost always gets a return punch. I have seen this play out many times.

I was involved in youth / AAU basketball for many years with my son. Normally if one guy pushed someone, the other guy would push back, and either they started jawing at each other or both sides started flailing at each other. I don't remember any incidents where one guy pushed and the other one brought the haymaker. Normally there would be jawing, pushing, and shoving. But not punching.

I've seen a lot of brewhahas break out over the years, whether it be at practice, a game, a tournament, in a parking lot, etc. I would guess split pretty evenly between guys on the same team and the opposition. The worst one involving our son was at an AAU tournament we drove hours and hours to get to. A kid on the other team drove the lane and my son fouled him pretty good (our coach had a no layups allowed policy). Problem was, the refs missed it and thought the kid just clanked the layup. A possession or two later, that same kid body checked my son against the wall on a fast break, and at that point it turned into full out punches with both players getting bloodied and bruised. The other player got ejected from the game (our son was allowed to keep playing as he was deemed as acting in self-defense). Problem was, our coach sent us home for the rest of the tournament for fighting and disrespecting the program. Nothing like driving 3:30 hours each direction for 3 or 4 minutes of basketball.

In a different tournament, a kid on the opposition was getting pissed because my son was making him look bad on the court. Away from the ball and behind the refs, the kid ran up to our son and threw an elbow from behind and clocked our son in the back of the head. He went down like and passed out for a minute or two. Someone caught it on video and that kid then got suspended for the rest of the season. Tempers can escalate in these situations, no doubt.

The all-time scariest incident was at a huge AAU tournament (at like 10 locations), in the game before ours, a brawl started between the players with some really racist comments getting flung left and right. That escalated to the coaches pounding on each other and then the parents fighting in the stands and then on the court. Threats were made, cops had to separate people, and shots ended up being fired in the parking lot (thankfully no one got shot), the place turned chaotic, and they cancelled the rest of the games that day. The point being, these situations can escalate really quickly.

I think the fight was probably inevitable. Green may have been too far gone for it not to happen. Where I am from, a two-handed shove like that is often met with a punch in return. All Poole could have done is walk away -- which may have led to a sucker punch anyway.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

In approximately 0.0% of workplaces in the US can you front up on someone, put your nose on their nose, punch them when they push you away, and get away with it. Or blame the other guy for 'escalating' it.

We're not at an AAU tournament here. Or a parking lot. We're at work. Doing work stuff. Getting paid for it.

 

[thecatch]

We can all see that, can't we? It's not like he just lost his **** out of nowhere and went into a punching rage. What he did was wrong, and Poole clearly played a part and could have made different decisions too. How is this a controversial statement?

Serious question, what exactly could Poole have done to avoid it? Green walked to him, got chest to chest and face to face. Should he have raised his hand and called the coach over and said "Draymond is picking on me?" or just run away. He has zero choice really. Green was obviously looking for a fight and wasn't going to stop if Poole said "my bad" or whatever.

He pushed Green off as if to say "get the **** outta here" and Green then pushed back with more force to where there was plenty of space between them. It should have ended there but Green followed up and threw the punch. It was a no win situation for Poole once Draymond took that long walk over and tried to intimidate him.

He needed to be ready for a fight if he was going to push him off like that. A two-hand push like that almost always gets a return punch. I have seen this play out many times.

I was involved in youth / AAU basketball for many years with my son. Normally if one guy pushed someone, the other guy would push back, and either they started jawing at each other or both sides started flailing at each other. I don't remember any incidents where one guy pushed and the other one brought the haymaker. Normally there would be jawing, pushing, and shoving. But not punching.

I've seen a lot of brewhahas break out over the years, whether it be at practice, a game, a tournament, in a parking lot, etc. I would guess split pretty evenly between guys on the same team and the opposition. The worst one involving our son was at an AAU tournament we drove hours and hours to get to. A kid on the other team drove the lane and my son fouled him pretty good (our coach had a no layups allowed policy). Problem was, the refs missed it and thought the kid just clanked the layup. A possession or two later, that same kid body checked my son against the wall on a fast break, and at that point it turned into full out punches with both players getting bloodied and bruised. The other player got ejected from the game (our son was allowed to keep playing as he was deemed as acting in self-defense). Problem was, our coach sent us home for the rest of the tournament for fighting and disrespecting the program. Nothing like driving 3:30 hours each direction for 3 or 4 minutes of basketball.

In a different tournament, a kid on the opposition was getting pissed because my son was making him look bad on the court. Away from the ball and behind the refs, the kid ran up to our son and threw an elbow from behind and clocked our son in the back of the head. He went down like and passed out for a minute or two. Someone caught it on video and that kid then got suspended for the rest of the season. Tempers can escalate in these situations, no doubt.

The all-time scariest incident was at a huge AAU tournament (at like 10 locations), in the game before ours, a brawl started between the players with some really racist comments getting flung left and right. That escalated to the coaches pounding on each other and then the parents fighting in the stands and then on the court. Threats were made, cops had to separate people, and shots ended up being fired in the parking lot (thankfully no one got shot), the place turned chaotic, and they cancelled the rest of the games that day. The point being, these situations can escalate really quickly.

I think the fight was probably inevitable. Green may have been too far gone for it not to happen. Where I am from, a two-handed shove like that is often met with a punch in return. All Poole could have done is walk away -- which may have led to a sucker punch anyway.

This ignores the context that the person being shoved instigated the whole thing by getting right up in the shover's intimate personal space. If responding to that aggressive move with a shove to clear space is cause to get punched in your circle, you hang out with a bunch of psychos.

 

[the moops]

He needed to be ready for a fight if he was going to push him off like that. A two-hand push like that almost always gets a return punch. I have seen this play out many times.

GTFO with this. That sort of "get the **** away from me" push happens all the ****ing time without it resulting in someone getting clocked in the face. Like in 99.9% of the time, it results in no punches being thrown.

 

[Instinctive]

In approximately 0.0% of workplaces in the US can you front up on someone, put your nose on their nose, punch them when they push you away, and get away with it. Or blame the other guy for 'escalating' it.

We're not at an AAU tournament here. Or a parking lot. We're at work. Doing work stuff. Getting paid for it.

This is a horrible take. Sports are not the same as your office job.


Edit: And, once again, I have seen ZERO people suggesting Poole is to blame or that he escalated it.

 

[SWC]

In approximately 0.0% of workplaces in the US can you front up on someone, put your nose on their nose, punch them when they push you away, and get away with it. Or blame the other guy for 'escalating' it.

We're not at an AAU tournament here. Or a parking lot. We're at work. Doing work stuff. Getting paid for it.

This is a horrible take. Sports are not the same as your office job.


Edit: And, once again, I have seen ZERO people suggesting Poole is to blame or that he escalated it.

brohan you cant say poole was partially at fault as i think you have before with saying he is to blame to some extent so help me figure out what you are saying take that to the ban bromigo

 

[Beef Ravioli Part 2]

I coached and spent time in the front office for 4 years at the college and NBA level.

@Instinctive , I would like to hear more about your gigs in the world of coaching and front office stuff!

 

[mr. furley]

In approximately 0.0% of workplaces in the US can you front up on someone, put your nose on their nose, punch them when they push you away, and get away with it. Or blame the other guy for 'escalating' it.

We're not at an AAU tournament here. Or a parking lot. We're at work. Doing work stuff. Getting paid for it.

This is a horrible take. Sports are not the same as your office job.


Edit: And, once again, I have seen ZERO people suggesting Poole is to blame or that he escalated it.

i think you've completely lost it

i get that some people like to play devil's advocate and argue opposite of the majority for fun, but maybe it's time to grow out of that.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

In approximately 0.0% of workplaces in the US can you front up on someone, put your nose on their nose, punch them when they push you away, and get away with it. Or blame the other guy for 'escalating' it.

We're not at an AAU tournament here. Or a parking lot. We're at work. Doing work stuff. Getting paid for it.

This is a horrible take. Sports are not the same as your office job.


Edit: And, once again, I have seen ZERO people suggesting Poole is to blame or that he escalated it.

i think you've completely lost it

i get that some people like to play devil's advocate and argue opposite of the majority for fun, but maybe it's time to grow out of that.

Did Aaron Donald get suspended for hitting someone with a helmet during training camp? And it was during a scrimmage with another team too.

 

[Instinctive]

I coached and spent time in the front office for 4 years at the college and NBA level.

@Instinctive , I would like to hear more about your gigs in the world of coaching and front office stuff!

Feel free to DM Walk a fine line of balancing doxxing myself with trying to share cool stuff i learned

 

[mr. furley]

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"I talked to a player that played against Charlotte this preseason, and the player told me, "That team is trash because LaMelo Ball is trash."

 

[Zow]

In approximately 0.0% of workplaces in the US can you front up on someone, put your nose on their nose, punch them when they push you away, and get away with it. Or blame the other guy for 'escalating' it.

We're not at an AAU tournament here. Or a parking lot. We're at work. Doing work stuff. Getting paid for it.

This is a horrible take. Sports are not the same as your office job.


Edit: And, once again, I have seen ZERO people suggesting Poole is to blame or that he escalated it.

brohan you cant say poole was partially at fault as i think you have before with saying he is to blame to some extent so help me figure out what you are saying take that to the ban bromigo

Eh, in this thread people apparently are able to say such ridiculous things as KG is a phony.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

In approximately 0.0% of workplaces in the US can you front up on someone, put your nose on their nose, punch them when they push you away, and get away with it. Or blame the other guy for 'escalating' it.

We're not at an AAU tournament here. Or a parking lot. We're at work. Doing work stuff. Getting paid for it.

you’ve never hung out with marines i take it

 

[Chris B.]

Edit: And, once again, I have seen ZERO people suggesting Poole is to blame or that he escalated it.

what the what?

 

[Navin Johnson]

In the same sentence you state some options and then claim they aren't options.

You think those were real options?

Yes?

 

[AAABatteries]

Fellas, reading the last several pages, I just got to say that the regular season can’t get here fast enough because we are in midseason form already.

 

[Navin Johnson]

JP3 finalizing 4 year/$140M deal with GS

 

[Gr00vus]

Lakers looked terrible last night (even accounting for Davis not playing). Westbrook had to exit the game with a hamstring injury, might be out a couple of weeks.

538 has their most likely record as 33 and 49. Sadly that doesn't look to be far off given where they're at right now.

 

[Yo Mama]

I’m out drinking and football watching today, but I plan on getting info out tomorrow on the 2022-2023 NBA draft I’m running.

It’s ok if we start drafting after games start this week since we need rosters to be final before we start (foreshadowing).

The goal is to gather drafters, get a google sheet set up, and give people time to prep and strategize, then we start drafting end of this week or early next week.

I’ll try to get a thread out there tomorrow with the format and rules.

 

[Capella]

Westbrook had to exit the game with a hamstring injury, might be out a couple of weeks.

Congrats?

 

[Navin Johnson]

And Wiggins apparently gets 4 year/$109M extension

 

[thecatch]

Lakers looked terrible last night (even accounting for Davis not playing). Westbrook had to exit the game with a hamstring injury, might be out a couple of weeks.

538 has their most likely record as 33 and 49. Sadly that doesn't look to be far off given where they're at right now.

It’s not their fault they have to keep playing the Kings.

 

[Eephus]

If Draymond opts in for 23-24, the GSW payroll and taxes will be over a half a billion dollars.

 

[Navin Johnson]

If Draymond opts in for 23-24, the GSW payroll and taxes will be over a half a billion dollars.

I thought I read that was the 24-25 figure if they max him

 

[Alex P Keaton]

And Wiggins apparently gets 4 year/$109M extension

That doesn’t seem like a bad contract. With the cap going up the next few years, Warriors should be able to trade that down the road if they want/need to.

 

[Eephus]

If Draymond opts in for 23-24, the GSW payroll and taxes will be over a half a billion dollars.

I thought I read that was the 24-25 figure if they max him

It's for 23-24 per Bobby Marks.

If Draymond opts in, they'll be $100M over the (current) salary cap and their tax bill would exceed their payroll.

 

[Navin Johnson]

And Wiggins apparently gets 4 year/$109M extension

That doesn’t seem like a bad contract. With the cap going up the next few years, Warriors should be able to trade that down the road if they want/need to.

The contract is very team friendly. Wiggins left a lot on the table

 

[SWC]

maybe they can trade draymond for mike tyson take that to the bank bromigos

 

[Yo Mama]

I’m out drinking and football watching today, but I plan on getting info out tomorrow on the 2022-2023 NBA draft I’m running.

It’s ok if we start drafting after games start this week since we need rosters to be final before we start (foreshadowing).

The goal is to gather drafters, get a google sheet set up, and give people time to prep and strategize, then we start drafting end of this week or early next week.

I’ll try to get a thread out there tomorrow with the format and rules.

Draft thread is live HERE.

Sign up losers

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Interesting extensions:

Kevin Porter Jr - 4 yrs, 82.5 million but with only $16 guaranteed and basically only guaranteed year-by-year going forward.

Nassir Little - 4 yrs, 28 million. seems like a ****ing steal for the Blazers. Amazed that he would take that.


Brandon Clarke - 4/52 about what you would expect

 

[Yo Mama]

Opening day bump

We still need some more drafters for our NBA salary cap draft.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Kevin Porter Jr - 4 yrs, 82.5 million but with only $16 guaranteed and basically only guaranteed year-by-year going forward

I didn’t realize such a contract was even allowed under the CBA.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Kevin Porter Jr - 4 yrs, 82.5 million but with only $16 guaranteed and basically only guaranteed year-by-year going forward

I didn’t realize such a contract was even allowed under the CBA.

it seems like it is basically 1 guaranteed year and 3 non-guaranteed years. It's basically the Hinkie special, though I'm not aware of anyone other than 2nd round picks or undrafted players ever taking that and also never seen this much nonguaranteed, but I think you can make any years or amounts non-guaranteed that you want. It's just a very rare situation where you would have enough leverage to get a player who might deserver that much money to agree to such a structure. I don't think that the CBA has that many requirements around guarantees in contracts.