2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (2 Viewers)

[Gr00vus]

Lakers shot 55.56% from 2, 25% from 3 (on 40 3PA). I think the overall point stands.

 

[SWC]

one guy who was consistently a cheap shot artist was kevin garnett take that to the bank bromigos

 

[Major]

Overreaction time but man Paolo looks like the franchise-caliber player the Magic haven’t had since Dwight left. Franz seems like he could be a very good player for a playoff-caliber team and Suggs was not the 2021 Suggs last night.

With Carter, Isaac, Fultz and two first-round picks this year they could seriously have a foundation. Only took them a decade.

And if Bol Bol keeps showing up

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I watched the Lakers vs Warriors game last night and I didn’t think that the Lakers had a massive lack of talent outside of Lebron and AD. They had solid moments where they played good defense and when they were disciplined and stayed in their lane on offense—they showed flashes. However—imo their biggest problem was shot selection. Even at his age—Lebron is at his best when he aggressively attacks the basket. AD‘s biggest advantage comes from when he uses his size and quickness to get to the basket. Even Westbrook had his best moments when he was aggressive and tried to get to the basket. However, the Lakers seemed to shoot themselves in the foot by launching three pointer after three pointer. I think Lebron took 9 or 10 himself. Out of the Lakers 93 field goal attempts last night—40 were 3’s. If you remove their 3 point attempts—they went 30/53 from the field from 2 point range. If they stay healthy, and if Darvin Ham can manage to keep them disciplined on the offensive end—I think the Lakers could be a playoff team. However—if they continue to jack up 30-40 three point shots per game—this team will be gone fishing by the time the playoffs start.

I thought the same thing. None of those three are at their best shooting jumpers.

They have to play inside out, with the emphasis on inside, scoring around the basket, running breaks to finish at the basket. They simply don't have the personnel to run a modern, analytics optimal style offense that emphasizes 3 point shooting. They don't have competent 3 point shooters. They'll have to lean into that, focus on what they do have, or there are going to be lots of nights like last night and they'll be a sub .500 team.

Ham obviously has no idea what his rotation will be, what his most cohesive personnel groups are, where people are supposed to be on offense or defense. He gets a bit of a grace period since they gave him essentially an entirely new set of puzzle pieces that haven't played together, but he'll need to figure it out in a couple months.

Pretty sure this will be another wasted season for LeBron and Davis though. The Warriors' 10th guy is better than the Lakers' 4th guy, this roster just isn't good enough.

I agree with most of what you said. A well coached team is one where the coach emphasizes to the players to understand the strengths of the team —and to utilize those strengths to impose their will on the game. In regard to the offensive end of the floor, the biggest weakness of the Lakers is 3-point shooting. Everybody (including the Lakers players) knows this. If the best way to be successful is to feast on your strengths and to minimize the effects of your weaknesses—the formula for the Lakers needs to be to limit how many 3-point field goals they take. Looking at last nights game. The Warriors will probably be the best (or one of the best) 3-point shooting teams this season—and can possibly go down as one of the better 3-point shooting teams in the history of the NBA. They took only five more 3-point field goal attempts than the Lakers did last night. Their biggest strength on the offensive end is 3-point shooting, and the Lakers biggest weakness on the offensive end is 3-point shooting—yet the Lakers took only five fewer 3-point field goals than they did. This is not a talent problem—this is poor decision making. This is an identity crisis problem.

It's a lot easier said than done. Your opponent likely knows you can't shoot the three as well and will be jamming the lane, limiting the effectiveness of whatever interior tactics you are utilizing and daring you to shoot the three. Probably easier to teach your guys to shoot than to come up with a scheme that might work against 2-3 guys playing you one-in-one-out.

The Lakers shot over 60% from the field in 2point range in that game.

No they didn't

Yes they basically did. The Lakers went 40-94 from the field against the Warriors. Out of those field goals—they went 10-40 from the 3 point line. You take their 3 point shooting out of those numbers—they went 30-54 from 2 point range= 56%. They went 25% from 3 point range. I see those stats and I see a team that needs to keep pounding the ball inside and get into 2 point range. Sure—maybe they can improve their 3-point shooting and get it to 30-33%—but nothing about that stat set tells me that they should be taking 40 3’s per game.

 

[identikit]

56% isn't 'over 60%'

This shouldn't even have to be posted.

Keep on arguing with false numbers, please.

Oy

 

[Desert_Power]

56% isn't 'over 60%'

This shouldn't even have to be posted.

Keep on arguing with false numbers, please.

Oy

56% of the time it works everytime.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Embiid looks way out of shape. Hardly in the paint at all

 

[jvdesigns2002]

56% isn't 'over 60%'

This shouldn't even have to be posted.

Keep on arguing with false numbers, please.

Oy

My point was that the Lakers are wonderful inside of the 3 point line and they are terrible outside of the 3 point line. if you think that them shooting 56% from the 2 point line versus my initial miscalculation of 60% somehow proves that point wrong—so be it. I’m not sure what happened to this place. So far in tonights game—-they are 31-81 from the field and out of those they are 9-39 from three. They are 22-42 from 2 point range at this point in the game= 52%, and 23% from 3. Nearly half of their field goal attempts tonight are from 3. The same dynamic that I mentioned Is happening tonight. For a team that is a garbage 3 point shooting team—they shoot way too many of them. But that’s fine—just crucify me for being 4% off because it completely invalidates my point if that makes you feel better.

 

[Major]

Westbrook 0-11 tonight

 

[Gr00vus]

Westbrook 0-11 tonight

Beverly wasn't much better.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Found this fun nugget at the end of last night’s recap on ESPN:

Lakers coach Darvin Ham said he briefly spoke to Westbrook about the guard's claim that coming off the bench possibly contributed to his preseason hamstring injury because he didn't know how to warm up properly for a reserve role after spending the previous 13 years as an NBA starter. Ham said he and the Lakers “would in no way, shape or form put a player in harm's way."

 

[identikit]

Found this fun nugget at the end of last night’s recap on ESPN:

Lakers coach Darvin Ham said he briefly spoke to Westbrook about the guard's claim that coming off the bench possibly contributed to his preseason hamstring injury because he didn't know how to warm up properly for a reserve role after spending the previous 13 years as an NBA starter. Ham said he and the Lakers “would in no way, shape or form put a player in harm's way."

I think Ham is not for long....

Lebron will fire him

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Westbrook 0-11 tonight

Beverly wasn't much better.

Yup. People just single out Russell. Westbrook was horrid on the offensive end, but he also had 5 steals . With that said—the combination of westbrook, Beverly, and Nunn went 1-25 from the field. Out of those 25 shots—they went 1-16 from the 3 point line.

 

[SWC]

Westbrook 0-11 tonight

thats wonderful take that to the bank brohans

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Well the Kings lost their home opener to a bad Blazers team, so it appears my optimism was misplaced. On the positive side, they did run some fun 4 guards + Sabonis lineups and Fox was mostly great.

That's because the Blazers are a better team than the Kings.

Friendly wager that the Kings have a better record?

*Not a Kings fan, I am just drinking the Bill Simmons Kool-Aid and think you're wrong.

I like it. $25 or something more interesting like Oregon's finest IPA vs Arizona's best (I don't know what Arizona does well other than scream VOTER FRAUD)

FYI, Vegas Odds for O/U win totals have Portland at 40 and Sac at 33.....

Oh. Uh oh I should have checked that.

But for those stakes let’s do it. Arizona makes some great IPA!

I’ll get you some local mother road or dark sky if Lillard surprises me.

Wilderness FTW

 

[Zow]

Well the Kings lost their home opener to a bad Blazers team, so it appears my optimism was misplaced. On the positive side, they did run some fun 4 guards + Sabonis lineups and Fox was mostly great.

That's because the Blazers are a better team than the Kings.

Friendly wager that the Kings have a better record?

*Not a Kings fan, I am just drinking the Bill Simmons Kool-Aid and think you're wrong.

I like it. $25 or something more interesting like Oregon's finest IPA vs Arizona's best (I don't know what Arizona does well other than scream VOTER FRAUD)

FYI, Vegas Odds for O/U win totals have Portland at 40 and Sac at 33.....

Oh. Uh oh I should have checked that.

But for those stakes let’s do it. Arizona makes some great IPA!

I’ll get you some local mother road or dark sky if Lillard surprises me.

Wilderness FTW

Wilderness is good.

 

[Capella]

Redeem Team doc on Netflix is awesome. Kobe running through Pau’s screen to set the tone was incredible.

 

[Juxtatarot]

On a more important topic, what do we think about Thanasis picking Giannis’s nose?

 

[SWC]

Redeem Team doc on Netflix is awesome. Kobe running through Pau’s screen to set the tone was incredible.

it was a pretty dang good documentary but not as good as the original dream team one also i found it funny that carlos the traitor lyer boozer kept trying to put himself in the conversation with the big dogs on the team i was like hey carlos you stink no one thinks of you when they think of the redeem team now why dont you go lie your way out of cleveland again you traitor take that to the bank brohans

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Wizards are playoff team this year. Beal is a shell of what he was 4 years ago. And Porzingis has to stay healthy. But the addition of a real point guard and the younger free agent additions looked great the other day. Still think the Johnny Davis draft pick was horrid. He simply won't play many minutes IMO.

 

[SWC]

fyi per basketball reference the fakers shot a little over 35 percent overall last night and 20 percent from 3 last night against the clippers so i guess they shot about 60 percent from 2 take that to the bank brohans

 

[Frostillicus]

one guy who was consistently a cheap shot artist was kevin garnett take that to the bank bromigos

Starting to think the real cheap shot artist is SWC.

 

[SWC]

also on that redeem team was deron williams who well a decent player was such a jackass that he forced jerry sloan to literally retire from basketball he never coached again and died in 2020 jerry sloan was a legend and deron williams is not and never will be take that to the bank brohans

 

[SWC]

one guy who was consistently a cheap shot artist was kevin garnett take that to the bank bromigos

Starting to think the real cheap shot artist is SWC.

hold me back bro take that to the bank bromigo

 

[Major]

Westbrook 0-11 tonight

Beverly wasn't much better.

Yup. People just single out Russell. Westbrook was horrid on the offensive end, but he also had 5 steals . With that said—the combination of westbrook, Beverly, and Nunn went 1-25 from the field. Out of those 25 shots—they went 1-16 from the 3 point line.

You'd think shooting 0-10 would deter him from taking a 3 in the final minutes with the game at stake. Nope.

 

[identikit]

56% isn't 'over 60%'

This shouldn't even have to be posted.

Keep on arguing with false numbers, please.

Oy

My point was that the Lakers are wonderful inside of the 3 point line and they are terrible outside of the 3 point line. if you think that them shooting 56% from the 2 point line versus my initial miscalculation of 60% somehow proves that point wrong—so be it. I’m not sure what happened to this place. So far in tonights game—-they are 31-81 from the field and out of those they are 9-39 from three. They are 22-42 from 2 point range at this point in the game= 52%, and 23% from 3. Nearly half of their field goal attempts tonight are from 3. The same dynamic that I mentioned Is happening tonight. For a team that is a garbage 3 point shooting team—they shoot way too many of them. But that’s fine—just crucify me for being 4% off because it completely invalidates my point if that makes you feel better.

No issue with your point.

Just your bad math.....then you doubling down on the same bad math

 

[ShamrockPride]

Westbrook 0-11 tonight

Beverly wasn't much better.

Yup. People just single out Russell. Westbrook was horrid on the offensive end, but he also had 5 steals . With that said—the combination of westbrook, Beverly, and Nunn went 1-25 from the field. Out of those 25 shots—they went 1-16 from the 3 point line.

You'd think shooting 0-10 would deter him from taking a 3 in the final minutes with the game at stake. Nope.

Bricklaying is hard work.

 

[General Malaise]

Well the Kings lost their home opener to a bad Blazers team, so it appears my optimism was misplaced. On the positive side, they did run some fun 4 guards + Sabonis lineups and Fox was mostly great.

That's because the Blazers are a better team than the Kings.

Friendly wager that the Kings have a better record?

*Not a Kings fan, I am just drinking the Bill Simmons Kool-Aid and think you're wrong.

I like it. $25 or something more interesting like Oregon's finest IPA vs Arizona's best (I don't know what Arizona does well other than scream VOTER FRAUD)

FYI, Vegas Odds for O/U win totals have Portland at 40 and Sac at 33.....

Oh. Uh oh I should have checked that.

But for those stakes let’s do it. Arizona makes some great IPA!

I’ll get you some local mother road or dark sky if Lillard surprises me.

Love it. Team with the better record wins, tie breaker head to head. Wager stakes are an assortment of local goodies including but not limited to IPAs. Good luck!

 

[Schmeabs]

Jaden Ivey is going to be a very good player in the league.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Pels 2-0 who's next?

 

[Jayrod]

So I am watching the Warriors versus
Nuggets, and all I can think about is how badly I want a punch draymond green in the nuts so hard he can never reproduce.

I seriously can't think of a player in any sport in history that I have disliked more than that guy.

 

[Jayrod]

So I am watching the Warriors versus
Nuggets, and all I can think about is how badly I want a punch draymond green in the nuts so hard he can never reproduce.

I seriously can't think of a player in any sport in history that I have disliked more than that guy.

And on the flip side, two NBA people I enjoy the most, Nikola Jokic and Doris Burke are on the game.

Go Nuggets.

 

[Frostillicus]

Utah 2-0 with wins over divison favorites Denver and Minnesota. I read someone said Utah has too many professionals to effectively tank. Maybe they have enough professionals to actually threaen for a playoff spot?

Or maybe we just chalk this up to two teams trying to integrate major additions and not getting it quite right and Utah being able to take advantage. Either way I really didn't the Jazz to be winning the division at any point this year.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Utah 2-0 with wins over divison favorites Denver and Minnesota. I read someone said Utah has too many professionals to effectively tank. Maybe they have enough professionals to actually threaen for a playoff spot?

Or maybe we just chalk this up to two teams trying to integrate major additions and not getting it quite right and Utah being able to take advantage. Either way I really didn't the Jazz to be winning the division at any point this year.

I think that it’s awesome that Utah is playing so hard and so collectively for their new coach. With that said—I do not expect it to last. While the players, coaches, fans enjoy it when their team wins, in this case—this goes against the wishes of the organization. They want better draft picks. If the team keeps over-achieving, management will step in and sabotage them (trading away talent, players magically getting injured...etc). I’m curious to see how long this rush they are on lasts before management steps in and works their ”magic”.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Poole gets steamrolled on that play. Draymond runs over to check on him. “Did he get you the same place I got you?”

 

[Jayrod]

Joker with a 26/12/10 triple double in a win over over Golden State & Draymond.

Celtics win and Warriors lose, what a start to the weekend!

 

[Insomniac]

So I am watching the Warriors versus
Nuggets, and all I can think about is how badly I want a punch draymond green in the nuts so hard he can never reproduce.

I seriously can't think of a player in any sport in history that I have disliked more than that guy.

Are you too young to remember Rick Barry?

 

[Frostillicus]

Utah 2-0 with wins over divison favorites Denver and Minnesota. I read someone said Utah has too many professionals to effectively tank. Maybe they have enough professionals to actually threaen for a playoff spot?

Or maybe we just chalk this up to two teams trying to integrate major additions and not getting it quite right and Utah being able to take advantage. Either way I really didn't the Jazz to be winning the division at any point this year.

I think that it’s awesome that Utah is playing so hard and so collectively for their new coach. With that said—I do not expect it to last. While the players, coaches, fans enjoy it when their team wins, in this case—this goes against the wishes of the organization. They want better draft picks. If the team keeps over-achieving, management will step in and sabotage them (trading away talent, players magically getting injured...etc). I’m curious to see how long this rush they are on lasts before management steps in and works their ”magic”.

Oh for sure.

 

[dickey moe]

So I am watching the Warriors versus
Nuggets, and all I can think about is how badly I want a punch draymond green in the nuts so hard he can never reproduce.

I seriously can't think of a player in any sport in history that I have disliked more than that guy.

Are you too young to remember Rick Barry?

Why hate on Rick Barry?

 

[Yo Mama]

Utah 2-0 with wins over divison favorites Denver and Minnesota. I read someone said Utah has too many professionals to effectively tank. Maybe they have enough professionals to actually threaen for a playoff spot?

Or maybe we just chalk this up to two teams trying to integrate major additions and not getting it quite right and Utah being able to take advantage. Either way I really didn't the Jazz to be winning the division at any point this year.

Ainge is going to have to start attaching draft picks in trades to get rid of some of these guys that keep helping the Jazz accidentally win.

 

[Insomniac]

So I am watching the Warriors versus
Nuggets, and all I can think about is how badly I want a punch draymond green in the nuts so hard he can never reproduce.

I seriously can't think of a player in any sport in history that I have disliked more than that guy.

Are you too young to remember Rick Barry?

Why hate on Rick Barry?

Other than the underhand free throws?

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Another season. Another year making boatloads off these

 

[Frostillicus]

Heat 1-2
Sixers 0-3
Spurs 2-1
Jazz 2-0
Blazers 2-0
Lakers 0-2

Let's overreact to stuff!

 

[Jayrod]

Heat 1-2
Sixers 0-3
Spurs 2-1
Jazz 2-0
Blazers 2-0
Lakers 0-2

Let's overreact to stuff!

3-0

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Cleveland is a slyly good team.

They came into Chicago and rolled over the Bulls with fundamentally strong guard play by Mitchell, tough defense, ridiculous 3 point shooting (almost 60%) and Kevin Love who has embraced a 6th Man role.

They are going to be trouble for the Eastern Conference.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Pistons-Pacers was a pretty cool game for a preview of what might be Eastern Conference semis in a couple of years.

Mathurin was just on fire.

 

[Instinctive]

Went to the home opener for Dallas last night. AAC was ROCKING. Fantastic atmosphere. And my god did the Mavs look like they had a lot of fun. Everybody was cooking, Hardaway's back in action, Wood looked good (on both ends), Luka got blown by some but also had some great defensive plays...everybody passing...it's gonna be an awesome year.

No JJJ, no Brooks for Memphis. Bunch guys I never heard of, which is unusual given the amount I follow the NBA. Bane looked good - man he should be on Dallas I'm still annoyed he isn't. Donnie trying to big dog Haralabob legit cost us a fantastic player. Morant, without knowing his final statline, seemed totally snuffed out by DoeDoe and Reggie with Wood and Javale on the backline.

I love this team already. Wood looks like he has a lot of fun, Luka is Luka, and I love Javale. Was sad we didn't resign him a couple years ago.

 

[Frostillicus]

Oh Lakers. Up 102-97 with 1:52 left and the ball. Next 3 shots: Patrick Beverley well-covered no chance 3, Lebron well guarded step back fadeaway three, and Westbrook open 16 footer. And like that it's Blazers up 104-102 with 12 seconds left.

 

[mr. furley]

Went to the home opener for Dallas last night. AAC was ROCKING. Fantastic atmosphere. And my god did the Mavs look like they had a lot of fun. Everybody was cooking, Hardaway's back in action, Wood looked good (on both ends), Luka got blown by some but also had some great defensive plays...everybody passing...it's gonna be an awesome year.

No JJJ, no Brooks for Memphis. Bunch guys I never heard of, which is unusual given the amount I follow the NBA. Bane looked good - man he should be on Dallas I'm still annoyed he isn't. Donnie trying to big dog Haralabob legit cost us a fantastic player. Morant, without knowing his final statline, seemed totally snuffed out by DoeDoe and Reggie with Wood and Javale on the backline.

I love this team already. Wood looks like he has a lot of fun, Luka is Luka, and I love Javale. Was sad we didn't resign him a couple years ago.

in Donnie's defense, Haralabob is a tremendous femenine cleansing product and i bet it got really old listening to him talk

 

[Major]

Oh Lakers. Up 102-97 with 1:52 left and the ball. Next 3 shots: Patrick Beverley well-covered no chance 3, Lebron well guarded step back fadeaway three, and Westbrook open 16 footer. And like that it's up 104-102 with 12 seconds left.

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