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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (1 Viewer)

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KD is a PITA, but you guys making fun of him for wanting to go to a place to win and then not wanting that team to trade all their best players to get him so he has the best shot to win seems odd. 

Do you guys go to work everyday and hope they let go of all the best employees so your job is more difficult?

There is so much to make fun of him about, wanting to win seems like the last thing we should tease him about. 
I think it's more about the idea that a player can 1) force a trade and 2) demand what pieces are OK in that trade package.

Do you go to work one day and tell your company that you're quitting, but for you to agree to actually quit you'll need them to do the legwork to make sure you have a new position at a more stable company, you'll get a higher salary, and be expected to do less work?

 
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Due to the designated rookie rule, I believe that Adebayo and Mitchell can't be on the same team. Obviously if they were both part of the deal that wouldn't matter.
I believe teams can have more than one player on a rookie extension, but they can only roster one of them that was acquired by trade. Since the Nets traded for Simmons, they couldn’t trade for anyone else that signed a rookie extension.

 
FTR, I generally don't, just piling on since I saw the opportunity.

But nah, hell I don't care if he ran back to GS. I love KD as a player, have since he's been in the league. For my  :2cents:  , he's the greatest all-around scorer to ever pick up a basketball. Would love to see him win a few more rings.

Just bums me out a little on the personal side of things how similar he is to Kyrie. Not the crazy part, but how for whatever reason, he just seems like a dude that's always miserable. Not even from just a basketball standpoint, seems like he carries that attitude off the court too. Idk if the media pressure got to him somewhere along the way, but just seems like a dude who forgot how to smile & laugh.
It's still so bizarre to me that he was going to the length of creating fake profiles to defend himself to the trolls on social media. Great player that clearly has some mental health issues. 

 
It's still so bizarre to me that he was going to the length of creating fake profiles to defend himself to the trolls on social media. Great player that clearly has some mental health issues. 
In retrospect, I find it kind of funny that Durant was going online and defending himself under different names, and let's face, almost all of us post here at Football Guys under a pseudonym (my real name, for example, is not Ghost Rider :lol:  ), but his constant obsession with pushing back at any and all criticism is a little weird. But hey, it seems to work, as a good percentage of the sports media is seemingly afraid to criticize him now (see: Stephen A Smith who apparently was yelled at once by Durant's mom for it and now genuflects to him and will always blame everyone but Durant for almost anything), so his madness appears to have worked to some extent. 

 
In retrospect, I find it kind of funny that Durant was going online and defending himself under different names, and let's face, almost all of us post here at Football Guys under a pseudonym (my real name, for example, is not Ghost Rider :lol:  ), but his constant obsession with pushing back at any and all criticism is a little weird. But hey, it seems to work, as a good percentage of the sports media is seemingly afraid to criticize him now (see: Stephen A Smith who apparently was yelled at once by Durant's mom for it and now genuflects to him and will always blame everyone but Durant for almost anything), so his madness appears to have worked to some extent. 
Uh, yeah, my Woz/Zow name has nothing to do with my real name... 😐

 
I think it's more about the idea that a player can 1) force a trade and 2) demand what pieces are OK in that trade package.

Do you go to work one day and tell your company that you're quitting, but for you to agree to actually quit you'll need them to do the legwork to make sure you have a new position at a more stable company, you'll get a higher salary, and be expected to do less work?


When you are the best in the world you can do this stuff. The rest is apples to oranges. He isn't  just quitting, he is being traded. If you were the one the best in the world at what you do and your company was trading you then yes I expect you to have a say in where you go and who would be on your team. 

No idea where the higher salary or less work comes from. 

 
KD is a PITA, but you guys making fun of him for wanting to go to a place to win and then not wanting that team to trade all their best players to get him so he has the best shot to win seems odd. 

Do you guys go to work everyday and hope they let go of all the best employees so your job is more difficult?

There is so much to make fun of him about, wanting to win seems like the last thing we should tease him about. 
it honestly feels like video games have skewed people's perspectives so badly that reality is no longer part of the calculus

 
Frostillicus said:
What do you guys think about Pascal Siakam, Scottie Barnes, and 4 firsts for KD from Toronto?
I think it’s fair and I think that’s more than Toronto will want to give for KD

 
Frostillicus said:
What do you guys think about Pascal Siakam, Scottie Barnes, and 4 firsts for KD from Toronto?


I think Brooklyn  would/should  take that in a heart beat. I think that makes Toronto  a 2nd round out at best. 

 
Frostillicus said:
What do you guys think about Pascal Siakam, Scottie Barnes, and 4 firsts for KD from Toronto?
Wouldn't do it if Toronto.What remains with KD isn't winning him the East let alone NBA title.

Gobert was a massive overpay. And he himself is vastly overpaid. I mean, yay best twin towers since AD and Cousins I guess :shrug:  Dumpy franchises like MN gotta overpay

 
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LETS GET CRAZY!

Suns Get

Durant

Lakers Get

Kyrie

Harris

Curry

Jazz Get

Simmons

Ayton

Nets Get

Mitchell

Bridges

Cam Johnson

Westbrook

THT

Trade successful!

whosaysno?

 
er the cap is irrelevant. Nearly zero contenders act as under the cap teams. Luxury threshold is the only number that matters. 
It matters when you are trying to sign free agents.
Well yes. But sign and trades are far more prevalent than straight up free agent signings. There are almost zero contenders making space below the cap to sign free agents outright. Thats just not how things are done these days

 
KD is a PITA, but you guys making fun of him for wanting to go to a place to win and then not wanting that team to trade all their best players to get him so he has the best shot to win seems odd. 

Do you guys go to work everyday and hope they let go of all the best employees so your job is more difficult?

There is so much to make fun of him about, wanting to win seems like the last thing we should tease him about. 
I think it's more about the idea that a player can 1) force a trade and 2) demand what pieces are OK in that trade package.

Do you go to work one day and tell your company that you're quitting, but for you to agree to actually quit you'll need them to do the legwork to make sure you have a new position at a more stable company, you'll get a higher salary, and be expected to do less work?
There really is nothing to be gained by comparing pro sports scenarios to any of our work situations.  :2cents:

 
I hate that rule. 
Don’t sign that extra guaranteed year if you may not want to play it out and teams don’t sign guys to that if you aren’t committed to them because your trade options will be limited.  Seems like teams and players just go for that option automatically and don’t think it through. 

 
Well yes. But sign and trades are far more prevalent than straight up free agent signings. There are almost zero contenders making space below the cap to sign free agents outright. Thats just not how things are done these days
Disagree. Sign and trades are done more as cap filler when salaries don't match than to necessitate the signing of a free agent. 

 
Don’t sign that extra guaranteed year if you may not want to play it out and teams don’t sign guys to that if you aren’t committed to them because your trade options will be limited.  Seems like teams and players just go for that option automatically and don’t think it through. 
Yeah, the premise of the rule is to give small market teams more leverage, both in allowing the extra year and restricting player movement. Same as the super max. 

 
Didn't  they pull his QO? That makes him an unrestricted  free agent. Not much  they can do. 
I just see speculation/rumors that they will pull it. I don’t think they have a reason to pull it anytime soon unless they want to make a statement by doing so.
 

Perhaps it will eventually come down to how much the Hornets believe in him being able to handle his anger and other emotional issues with extended counseling and after a lengthy suspension. If they do and they can feel they can manage the public backlash, a team friendly contract might be reasonable. If they don’t? Look to sign-and-trade. If no takers, yeah, then pull the QO.

 
This is nothing more than my opinions on places where it might be fun to see KD get traded to. 

If I were the Pelicans—I would maybe consider a deal centered around Brandon Ingram for Durant.   You have a lineup with McCollum, a healthy Zion, Durant, and Jonas, Herbert Jones—that is very formidable—and I think would instantly put New Orleans in contender status.   The Pelicans do have young talent that they can throw in—Trey Murphy, Jaxson Hayes..etc. 

I think if the Hawks could maybe create a package around Deandre Hunter and John Collins  for him.   Trae, Dejounte, and KD would be a very solid trio.  The whole notion about questioning how Murray and Trae can co-exist because they seem ball dominant seems pretty unfounded to me.  Both of those guys were ball dominant out of necessity. The Hawks didn’t have any decent playmakers outside of Trae—so of course he handled the rock a lot.  However—he’s also a very willing passer—and I think the same of Dejounte.   

I know that these scenarios are probably not likely landing spots for KD—but I do think that either would be really fun—and could make a lot of sense. 

 
Disagree. Sign and trades are done more as cap filler when salaries don't match than to necessitate the signing of a free agent. 
Every year, there are only a couple teams that have max cap space available. And every year we see free agents go where they want to go, regardless of team's cap space. And they go there via sign and trades. They can be smaller deals, like Lonzo to CHI, or larger ones like Durant to GSW. But in both cases, the preferred method of building a championship roster is not to create max cap space and hope you can sign a superstar, but rather stay over the cap and make a trade.

 
Every year, there are only a couple teams that have max cap space available. And every year we see free agents go where they want to go, regardless of team's cap space. And they go there via sign and trades. They can be smaller deals, like Lonzo to CHI, or larger ones like Durant to GSW. But in both cases, the preferred method of building a championship roster is not to create max cap space and hope you can sign a superstar, but rather stay over the cap and make a trade.
Durant didn't go to GSW  in a sign and trade he was signed while GSW was operating under the cap, just as he later went to BKL who was operatiing under the cap.  Ball, otoh, while was acquired via sign and trade, was restricted, and had zero leverage unless NOP wasn't already planning on not matching a max offer sheet.

 
This is nothing more than my opinions on places where it might be fun to see KD get traded to. 

If I were the Pelicans—I would maybe consider a deal centered around Brandon Ingram for Durant.   You have a lineup with McCollum, a healthy Zion, Durant, and Jonas, Herbert Jones—that is very formidable—and I think would instantly put New Orleans in contender status.   The Pelicans do have young talent that they can throw in—Trey Murphy, Jaxson Hayes..etc. 

I think if the Hawks could maybe create a package around Deandre Hunter and John Collins  for him.   Trae, Dejounte, and KD would be a very solid trio.  The whole notion about questioning how Murray and Trae can co-exist because they seem ball dominant seems pretty unfounded to me.  Both of those guys were ball dominant out of necessity. The Hawks didn’t have any decent playmakers outside of Trae—so of course he handled the rock a lot.  However—he’s also a very willing passer—and I think the same of Dejounte.   

I know that these scenarios are probably not likely landing spots for KD—but I do think that either would be really fun—and could make a lot of sense. 


Those are good spots. I also like Portland. Dame, Grant, Nurkic and Durant. Use Simons, Sharpe, picks and salary filler. 

 
Durant didn't go to GSW  in a sign and trade he was signed while GSW was operating under the cap, just as he later went to BKL who was operatiing under the cap.  Ball, otoh, while was acquired via sign and trade, was restricted, and had zero leverage unless NOP wasn't already planning on not matching a max offer sheet.


That was a weird year for the cap when Durant went to GSW.  Durant went to Brooklyn  on a sign and trade for D. Russell. 

 
When you are the best in the world you can do this stuff. The rest is apples to oranges. He isn't  just quitting, he is being traded. If you were the one the best in the world at what you do and your company was trading you then yes I expect you to have a say in where you go and who would be on your team. 

No idea where the higher salary or less work comes from. 
I can see it from his perspective of course, but he’s also taking away any leverage from a team that paid him a max contract to rehab for one and a half seasons. There’s also the fact that he was a large part in creating most of the madness that took place during that era - but he then blames the front office for it and demands a trade all on his terms.

It’s just  not very nice.

 
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If I were the Pelicans—I would maybe consider a deal centered around Brandon Ingram for Durant.   You have a lineup with McCollum, a healthy Zion, Durant, and Jonas, Herbert Jones—that is very formidable—and I think would instantly put New Orleans in contender status.   The Pelicans do have young talent that they can throw in—Trey Murphy, Jaxson Hayes..etc. 
Zion Williamson has signed his five-year extension. To me, the Pelicans have sufficient pieces to get to that 55+ win level right now. Trading for Durant would gut the team and tear apart the culture being built.

Sharing this back-and-forth from a local Pelicans board:

Poster 1: WOW, and here 6 months ago I thought Zion wanted out. I think Zion saw what everyone else saw in this group. This is the most excited I’ve been about this team in a while.

Poster 2: Yeah I think he wanted out. Front office made some questionable choices in the player roster and Stan Van Gundy was awful.

IMO we can give Willie Green the credit for Zion staying. Green seems to be one of those rare people who, when in a supervisory role, can be friends with those under him while still being able to keep that division between friend and "boss" and keep the professional respect of those underneath him

I knew nothing about Willie Green when we started looking to fill the position, but the more I researched the more I liked him and he was who I was hoping would get the job.

While I don't want Durant here (for the price it would cost), think about this: When have the Pels EVER been listed as a top potential destination for any All-Star caliber player, much less a Top 10 player in the league, who was a FA or demanding a trade?

It's amazing how quickly Green has changed the culture on the team. Look at the type of players we are targeting for his system (granted part of it is luck in having the players you want available when you draft). Trey Murphy III, Herb Jones, Jose Alvarado, Dyson Daniels, and EJ Liddell all had/have a reputation of being smart, hard-nosed players with good work ethic, good character, and absolute dawgs on defense.

 
Durant


didn't go to GSW  in a sign and trade he was signed while GSW was operating under the cap, just as he later went to BKL who was operatiing under the cap.  Ball, otoh, while was acquired via sign and trade, was restricted, and had zero leverage unless NOP wasn't already planning on not matching a max offer sheet.


That was a weird year for the cap when


Durant


went to GSW. 


Durant


went to Brooklyn  on a sign and trade for D. Russell. 
Yea, I confused the GSW with the BRK deal.

This argument seems silly anyway. Nearly every contender goes into the offseason over the cap. Teams rarely try and duck below enough to have max cap space. 

 
It's been nothing but steps backwards.

What the hell do they do with Bridges?
I think the plan is basically to run it back and hope the young guys develop under Clifford :oldunsure:

They'd probably still like to bring Bridges back as a player, but I'd guess they just sit on their hands and wait for the dust to settle.

 
I can see it from his perspective of course, but he’s also taking away any leverage from a team that paid him a max contract to rehab for one and a half seasons. There’s also the fact that he was a large part in creating most of the madness that took place during that era - but he then blames the front office for it and demands a trade all on his terms.

It’s just  not very nice.
The fact they gave him that contract after a catastrophic injury and paid him to rehab, and now he is pulling this stuff in terrible form. 

 
The fact they gave him that contract after a catastrophic injury and paid him to rehab, and now he is pulling this stuff in terrible form. 


I disagree, because every team in the league was trying to hand him the same deal. 

He shows bad form for many, many other reasons though. 

 
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I disagree, because every team in the league was trying to hand him the same deal. 

He shows bad form for many, many other reasons though. 
If the limited info out there is correct - he wants out because the Nets had the nerve to tie Kyrie's extension/guaranteed money to you know...actually playing - not from injuries but from all the other nonsense.  If KD cant understand that after all the NEts did for him and Kyrie the last 3 yrs then hes a lost cause in my book.  

 
If the limited info out there is correct - he wants out because the Nets had the nerve to tie Kyrie's extension/guaranteed money to you know...actually playing - not from injuries but from all the other nonsense.  If KD cant understand that after all the NEts did for him and Kyrie the last 3 yrs then hes a lost cause in my book.  


I agree, another stupid thing he does. 

I am saying that people complaining about the rehab time and the amount of money they paid him to do that rehab isn't bad form. 

Every team that wanted to sign him knew he blew out his achillies, it was no secret, every team was willing to pay him the max and knew how long that injury takes to heal and the rehab. You can't hold that against him because it was all out in the open. 

 
I think Durant is doing this all wrong for the record. He is looking for his best chance to win the next year or three. 

I would be looking at Atlanta, New Orleans, Minnesota, Memphis and other young teams that have shown promise. 

Not only do you put them in the hunt for this coming season, but as those young players grow they could have 5 + year windows for titles and you can catch/pass Lebron and Curry for titles and lay a claim to best player of this era because right now he is a distance 3rd. 

 
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