the moops
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People are dumbLocal news ran a poll "Is LeBron the greatest of all time?"
96% said NO
Embarrassing to even run that poll
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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (2 Viewers)
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jvdesigns2002
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I feel like Anthony Davis is a huge part of it. I legit forgot that he was on the team last night. For a guy that has so much talent—it’s almost like he looks for ways to be invisible on the basketball court. Lebron played well, I thought even Westbrook showed some flashes of life, Rui had moments—but that entire game—it was like Davis should have been on “missing persons” posters. I feel like they can be a back end playoff team if he steps up and plays his game. If he continues to disappear—the Lakers probably don’t even make the play in tourney.
msudaisy26
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If I remember correctly Ghostguy is a very big LeBron fan. For the record I am not a LeBron fan and I don't think there was anything wrong with last night.
Jayrod
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AD is their best player. He is a 1st team all-NBA level player when healthy and involved.
LBJ is still playing at a high level, but the Lakers need to center their games around Davis to be at their best and have a chance to win in the playoffs.
Capella
Footballguy
Oh yea I was referring more to social media in general which was very toxic this morning. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
the moops
Footballguy
It was 11 minutes. And nobody liked Mcgwire
Jayrod
Footballguy
Sorry, time flies when you're jumping up-and-down and screaming at the top of your lungs for a while.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I think Davis has the potential to be their best player—but he’s been nothing short of trash this season. Stats might say one thing—but if you just watch the Lakers play—this season—his impact on the court has been far and few between. I don’t think the Lakers are game planning away from him. If he’s as good as most think he is—he needs to be an alpha and just command that his presence be felt. He just seems to go through the motions. I personally think he’s one of the most talented players in the league. At the same time—I think he’s one of the most disappointing players in the league.
Fortunately all Laker games are meaningless this year
identikit
Footballguy
We'll need an official-like referee (even low-level high school quality) to make the call on this rhubarb...
Anyone?
Bueller? Bueller?
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Kiddnets
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Listening to Kyrie have the stones to say he felt disrespected by Brooklyn tells me he hasnt learned a thing. He'll be good to get his extension and then the clown show will be back. So glad hes gone
One byproduct of him leaving is being able to see what Cam can do - the kid is a bona fide scorer - between him, Claxton's development and the 2 new pieces - I dont see why they cant make a run when KD returns. I hope he takes on the challenge instead of the Nets making a dumb move to appease him (anyone remember the horrific Gerald Wallace trade to appease Derron Williams?) - if KD is not on board trade him in the offseason for the best package. I would not deal Cam or Claxton under any circumstances - they should be building around them.
Should be an interesting deadline
One byproduct of him leaving is being able to see what Cam can do - the kid is a bona fide scorer - between him, Claxton's development and the 2 new pieces - I dont see why they cant make a run when KD returns. I hope he takes on the challenge instead of the Nets making a dumb move to appease him (anyone remember the horrific Gerald Wallace trade to appease Derron Williams?) - if KD is not on board trade him in the offseason for the best package. I would not deal Cam or Claxton under any circumstances - they should be building around them.
Should be an interesting deadline
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Bromigo
my pop and i watched this and my dad was a huge hank aaron fan and could see what was coming with respect to his record as well and we all knew mac was a cheater i mean there wasnt much doubt by the time he broke this record and i remember both of us sighing and being sad that a really educated baseball crowd of great fans in st louis was cheering for a guy that was a symbol of how steroids were ruining the game and destroying its history take that to the bank brohans
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Bromigo
i am aok with them stopping the game for lebron that is a big record and one of the best ever and former holder was there and he did it by being one of the best in the game for a really really really long time it was a good scene and sincerely anyone having a problem with it is just looking for a reason to have a problem and probably supports the chinese baloon take that to the bank bromigos
Long Ball Larry
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I've only seen one Lakers game this season - was at the game when LA beat the Bucks in Milwaukee in December. A. Davis had 40+ points and looked unstoppable, couldn't miss.
Frostillicus
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I'm really excited to see what happens when KD gets back. Good role players around him and Thomas and Claxton are starting to do some stuff. Let's see how far he bring a team on his own.
Dr. Octopus
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There is not one sports league that would not stop the game for a record like that. I didn't see the ceremony so maybe it was overblown but it was the "main event" of that game heading in - it's the reason most people were even watching the game.
Craig_MiamiFL
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Yeah no shot this happens. And I'm as harsh on Ayton as anyone with his disappearing acts. Don't deal a quarter for 2 dimes.
Craig_MiamiFL
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2020 NBA draft was crazy. Stocked with later draft finds and mind numbing early picks.
How different things could be right now for Golden State/Bulls/Suns. The Warriors/Suns picks in particular should have been no brainers.
How different things could be right now for Golden State/Bulls/Suns. The Warriors/Suns picks in particular should have been no brainers.
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Jayrod
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So on to actual NBA season talk....Here is the list of the top 16 title favorites right now
Current NBA betting odds / 538 odds / conference standing:
Celtics - +300-350 / 26% / 1st East
Bucks - +450-650 / 7% / 2nd East
Nuggets - +600-700 / 15% / 1st West
76ers - +900-1000 / 8% / 3rd East
Grizzlies - +1000-1200 / 9% / 2nd West
Warriors - +1200-1300 / 3% / 7th West
Clippers - +800-1400 / 2% / 4th West
Mavericks - +1200-1600 / 16% / 6th West
Suns - +1800-2000 / 3% / 5th West
Cavaliers - +2000-2200 / 4% / 4th East
Nets - +1800-2200 / 0.7% / 5th East
Pelicans - +2500-3000 / 0.7% / 8th West
Heat - +3000-4000 / 2% / 6th East
Lakers - +4000-6000 / 0.2% / 13th West
Kings - +6500-10000 / 0.1% / 3rd West
Hawks - +6500-13000 / 0.8% / 8th East
Playoff teams not included: Knicks, Bulls, Pacers, Timberwolves, Jazz
Some things that stand out to me:
Current NBA betting odds / 538 odds / conference standing:
Celtics - +300-350 / 26% / 1st East
Bucks - +450-650 / 7% / 2nd East
Nuggets - +600-700 / 15% / 1st West
76ers - +900-1000 / 8% / 3rd East
Grizzlies - +1000-1200 / 9% / 2nd West
Warriors - +1200-1300 / 3% / 7th West
Clippers - +800-1400 / 2% / 4th West
Mavericks - +1200-1600 / 16% / 6th West
Suns - +1800-2000 / 3% / 5th West
Cavaliers - +2000-2200 / 4% / 4th East
Nets - +1800-2200 / 0.7% / 5th East
Pelicans - +2500-3000 / 0.7% / 8th West
Heat - +3000-4000 / 2% / 6th East
Lakers - +4000-6000 / 0.2% / 13th West
Kings - +6500-10000 / 0.1% / 3rd West
Hawks - +6500-13000 / 0.8% / 8th East
Playoff teams not included: Knicks, Bulls, Pacers, Timberwolves, Jazz
Some things that stand out to me:
- The West is a crapshoot
- The East is top-heavy
- The Suns, Lakers & Hawks have been disappointments
- The Cavs, Pelicans and Kings are biggest surprises
- Nobody really believes in the Kings (3rd in West, but 15/16th best odds)
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ShamrockPride
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Very exciting season thus far. Of the current top 8 teams (by record), there is only 1 recent championship (MIL) among them. That new generation is starting to stake their claim.
Jayrod
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And MVP is a four-man race between Jokic, Embiid, Giannis & Doncic. No one else has a realistic shot without going on a historical run the rest of the year. Curry is maybe only one I consider actually capable of such a thing. Tatum, Morant & Mitchell are already playing about as well as could be expected and are on the outside looking in. LBJ and KD are just too old and worn down at this point to go on that kind of sustained run.
If I had to bet, I'd put my money on this order at season's end:
If I had to bet, I'd put my money on this order at season's end:
- Jokic
- Giannis
- Doncic
- Embiid
Kev4029
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I got curious after last night to look at where Lebron might end up all time in some other stats so I took a look and made some estimates. Here you go. Lebron in bold, the highest (or nearest) active player in italics.
Seasons
Vince Carter – 22 2. Garnett/Nowitzki/Parish/Willis – 21; 3. James/Haslem/Kareem/Kobe/Crawford – 20
This one is pretty self-explanatory – in 24-25, he’ll tie Carter for most seasons played, in 25-26, he’ll have the most seasons ever under his belt. Even as players are generally playing longer, hitting 20 seasons is going to be very rare.
Games
Parish – 1611; 2. Kareem – 1560; 3. Carter – 1541; 4. Nowitzki – 1522; 5. Stockton – 1504; 10. James – 1410; 42. Iguodala – 1226
Estimate: End of 22-23 – 1430 (9th all time); End of 23-24 – 1492 (6); End of 24-25 – 1554 (3); end of 25-26 – 1616 (1)
He can’t pass Parish until 25-26 – depending on games played each season, it could happen as soon as the first quarter of the 25-26 season. If he is exceedingly healthy next season, he could pass Stockton for #5. With the incredible health Lebron has had, the current league climate with rest, and the fact that there are no preps-to-pros players right now, there is nobody else currently playing that has any chance to top Lebron unless he retires after this season.
Minutes
Kareem – 57,446; 2. Malone – 54,852; 3. James – 53,742; 33. Paul – 41,009
Estimate: End of 22-23 – 54,462 (3); End of 23-24 – 56,570 (2); End of 24-25 – 58,430 (1)
Depending on how healthy he is this year and next, he has an outside chance of passing Kareem next year but it’ll take 36 mpg and playing all but 6 games through next season. Otherwise, likely to be toward the beginning of the 24-25 seasons. It would take over 41 mpg in all remaining 27 games to pass Malone for #2 this season. Like games played, I don't think anybody will ever touch Lebron's ultimate minutes record.
Assists
Stockton – 15,806; 2. Kidd 12,091; 3.Paul 11,283; 4. James 10,354
Estimate: End of 22-23 – 10,494 (4); End of 23-24 – 10,866 (4); End of 24-25 – 11,207 (4); end of 25-26 – 11,517 (3 or 4)
Lebron’s APG has tapered off a bit over the last few years. It’s possible that he picks up his average to move a little higher on this list, but I’m guessing he finishes his career at either #3 (if Paul either retires this season or after next season if he struggles through an injury plagued season) or right where he is at now. Westbrook is currently #10 all time with 9002, but I doubt he’ll get the combination of seasons and minutes to pass either Paul or Lebron. Other than Westbrook, Young and maaaybe Doncic have a chance to get to the 10k+ assist level - Haliburton might be a dark horse. Nobody is ever catching Stockton.
Rebounds
Wilt – 23,924; 5. Gilmore – 16,330; 10. Garnett – 14,662; 20. Barkley – 12,546; 30. Schayes – 11, 256; 35. James 10,584; 43. DeAndre Jordan – 10,305
Estimate: End of 22-23 – 10,753 (34); End of 23-24 – 11,218(31); End of 24-25 – 11,621 (26); end of 25-26 – 11,962 (24 – passing Rodman)
Efficiency and a relative lack of pace (as opposed to 50 years ago) is making this an impossible stat to compete with in the current NBA. I might have too much regression in his rebounding (I could see this stat growing on a per minute basis as he plays closer to the rim offensively and defensively), but even if he plays more games, more minutes, and maintains or even increases his reb/36, he’s probably looking closer to 20th all time. Currently, Gobert is at 7656 and Jokic is at 5987 - those are the only two in the league that I would even consider betting on passing Lebron with rebounds.
Steals
Stockton – 3265; 2. Kidd – 2684; 3. Jordan – 2514; 4. Paul – 2504; 5. Payton – 2445; 10. James – 2179
Estimate: End of 22-23 – 2199 (10); End of 23-24 – 2252 (9); End of 24-25 – 2295 (8); end of 25-26 – 2332 (6)
Lebron has no chance at ever getting higher than 6th unless he plays either into 26-27 and his average doesn’t slip much, or plays into 27-28 with more age-related regression. Paul will pass Jordan this year and will likely pass Kidd if he can play two more seasons. Passing Lebron will be very difficult for anybody currently in the league, passing Paul will be nearly impossible. Some players that are kinda sorta trending to making it a possibility - Haliburton, Edwards, LaMelo Ball... Nobody currently with more than 500 steals is a combination of prolific enough and young enough to get close.
Turnovers
1. James – 4926; 2. Malone - 4524; 3. Westbrook - 4372
Already #1! If he plays to 25-26, he should end up in the 5400-5500 range. Westbrook won’t play long enough to catch him but Doncic has an outside chance of catching him some day if he plays long enough and continues to average +/- 4 turnovers per game.
Seasons
Vince Carter – 22 2. Garnett/Nowitzki/Parish/Willis – 21; 3. James/Haslem/Kareem/Kobe/Crawford – 20
This one is pretty self-explanatory – in 24-25, he’ll tie Carter for most seasons played, in 25-26, he’ll have the most seasons ever under his belt. Even as players are generally playing longer, hitting 20 seasons is going to be very rare.
Games
Parish – 1611; 2. Kareem – 1560; 3. Carter – 1541; 4. Nowitzki – 1522; 5. Stockton – 1504; 10. James – 1410; 42. Iguodala – 1226
Estimate: End of 22-23 – 1430 (9th all time); End of 23-24 – 1492 (6); End of 24-25 – 1554 (3); end of 25-26 – 1616 (1)
He can’t pass Parish until 25-26 – depending on games played each season, it could happen as soon as the first quarter of the 25-26 season. If he is exceedingly healthy next season, he could pass Stockton for #5. With the incredible health Lebron has had, the current league climate with rest, and the fact that there are no preps-to-pros players right now, there is nobody else currently playing that has any chance to top Lebron unless he retires after this season.
Minutes
Kareem – 57,446; 2. Malone – 54,852; 3. James – 53,742; 33. Paul – 41,009
Estimate: End of 22-23 – 54,462 (3); End of 23-24 – 56,570 (2); End of 24-25 – 58,430 (1)
Depending on how healthy he is this year and next, he has an outside chance of passing Kareem next year but it’ll take 36 mpg and playing all but 6 games through next season. Otherwise, likely to be toward the beginning of the 24-25 seasons. It would take over 41 mpg in all remaining 27 games to pass Malone for #2 this season. Like games played, I don't think anybody will ever touch Lebron's ultimate minutes record.
Assists
Stockton – 15,806; 2. Kidd 12,091; 3.Paul 11,283; 4. James 10,354
Estimate: End of 22-23 – 10,494 (4); End of 23-24 – 10,866 (4); End of 24-25 – 11,207 (4); end of 25-26 – 11,517 (3 or 4)
Lebron’s APG has tapered off a bit over the last few years. It’s possible that he picks up his average to move a little higher on this list, but I’m guessing he finishes his career at either #3 (if Paul either retires this season or after next season if he struggles through an injury plagued season) or right where he is at now. Westbrook is currently #10 all time with 9002, but I doubt he’ll get the combination of seasons and minutes to pass either Paul or Lebron. Other than Westbrook, Young and maaaybe Doncic have a chance to get to the 10k+ assist level - Haliburton might be a dark horse. Nobody is ever catching Stockton.
Rebounds
Wilt – 23,924; 5. Gilmore – 16,330; 10. Garnett – 14,662; 20. Barkley – 12,546; 30. Schayes – 11, 256; 35. James 10,584; 43. DeAndre Jordan – 10,305
Estimate: End of 22-23 – 10,753 (34); End of 23-24 – 11,218(31); End of 24-25 – 11,621 (26); end of 25-26 – 11,962 (24 – passing Rodman)
Efficiency and a relative lack of pace (as opposed to 50 years ago) is making this an impossible stat to compete with in the current NBA. I might have too much regression in his rebounding (I could see this stat growing on a per minute basis as he plays closer to the rim offensively and defensively), but even if he plays more games, more minutes, and maintains or even increases his reb/36, he’s probably looking closer to 20th all time. Currently, Gobert is at 7656 and Jokic is at 5987 - those are the only two in the league that I would even consider betting on passing Lebron with rebounds.
Steals
Stockton – 3265; 2. Kidd – 2684; 3. Jordan – 2514; 4. Paul – 2504; 5. Payton – 2445; 10. James – 2179
Estimate: End of 22-23 – 2199 (10); End of 23-24 – 2252 (9); End of 24-25 – 2295 (8); end of 25-26 – 2332 (6)
Lebron has no chance at ever getting higher than 6th unless he plays either into 26-27 and his average doesn’t slip much, or plays into 27-28 with more age-related regression. Paul will pass Jordan this year and will likely pass Kidd if he can play two more seasons. Passing Lebron will be very difficult for anybody currently in the league, passing Paul will be nearly impossible. Some players that are kinda sorta trending to making it a possibility - Haliburton, Edwards, LaMelo Ball... Nobody currently with more than 500 steals is a combination of prolific enough and young enough to get close.
Turnovers
1. James – 4926; 2. Malone - 4524; 3. Westbrook - 4372
Already #1! If he plays to 25-26, he should end up in the 5400-5500 range. Westbrook won’t play long enough to catch him but Doncic has an outside chance of catching him some day if he plays long enough and continues to average +/- 4 turnovers per game.
the moops
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This is regular season games. I don't know why this is the record and not total games played.
If you include playoffs it is
Kareem 1797
Parish 1795
Stockton 1686
Lebron 1667
So Lebron is 130 away. He will get another 20+ this year. Unlikely to get any playoff games this year, so will be a tad over 100 away. 70 games next year, plus maybe 10 playoff games. So yea, he doesn't get there until 25/26 but likely does so real early in the season
Kev4029
Footballguy
Draft Kings current odds are Jokic (-145), Embiid (+300), Giannis (+750), Doncic (+850), Tatum (+1200), everybody else +4500 or worse.
- Jokic is -140ish on the betting websites for a reason. He's averaging 24.7/11.3/10.2 on .706 TS for the best offense in the history of the NBA for the team that is running away with the Western Conference.
- Giannis has a slim outside chance - the Bucks and Giannis have been playing much better with Connaughton and Middleton back in the lineup. Connaughton was killing them when he first got back, but he's played much better in the new year. I think the betting odds are a bit behind here as the Bucks aren't getting the recognition the deserve the last month.
- If Embiid can significantly outmatch Jokic in late March when they play again, there might be a big narrative bump that gives him a chance but I think he's a bit of a sell high on the odds as the 76ers are kind of playing above their heads and Embiid just scored 40-whatever points on Jokic.
- I don't think Doncic has a shot any more. If he shares the ball with Irving (likely too the benefit of wins), his stats go down. If he doesn't share the ball more with Irving, the Mavs are going to either flounder or completely combust.
- Curry has zero chance of even getting back into the conversation. Nobody is going to give a player that ends up with fewer than 60 games played consideration. Even if he comes back in 5 or 6 games and averages 35 ppg on the best shooting of his career and the Warrior end the season with 50 wins or something (meaning they go 22-6 to close out the season INCLUDING the games he'll be out) he still won't have a case.
jvdesigns2002
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The game where Steph Curry broke the 3 point record was stopped for several minutes—and that was on the road in Madison Square Garden. Ray Allen and Reggie Miller were both there—and the celebration took place right when Curry hit the record breaking shot. I feel like that celebration easily took 5-10 minutes—and this is a far greater record than that. Just seems odd that nobody seemed to care about how that celebration was handled.it’s probably the nba’s most important individual record. They stop baseball games when Rickey Henderson sets stolen base records.
People truly will find a way to complain about anything with this guy.
msudaisy26
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That because he didn't want to be on anyone's lawn.
Alex P Keaton
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Anarchy99
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Basketball Reference has the Top 5 MVP candidates as:
Jokic - 70.0%
Embiid - 7.7%
Doncic - 6.3%
Giannis - 6.1%
Tatum - 3.9%
General Malaise
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Bromigo
i wonder how many points lew had in college add those two together and maybe it is a more fair discussion i guess take that to the bank brohans
Frostillicus
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The Lakers, Jazz and Timberwolves are in discussions on a three-team deal that would send D’Angelo Russell to the Lakers, Russell Westbrook and draft compensation such as a first-round pick to Utah and Mike Conley Jr. to Minnesota, sources tell me and
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Bromigo
in fairness to gm its so dark on that video maybe it was a bank shot you dont even know take that to the bank brochachoYou lying sack of ****.
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Frostillicus
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I think i l ike it.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Russell has been quite good this year, but I like the Conley get for the Wolves. I really don't want D-Lo on a long term deal after a career year(ish) contract year and Conley is signed for another year.
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Bromigo
now that i think about it that doesnt work because the college season is a lot shorter and it isnt against nba players so i dont know but its worth at least considering take that to the bankshot brohans
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Bromigo
this is like a game me and my friends used to play back in the day and we would have an old brown paper bag from lunch full of maybe a banana peel and maybe a sanwhich curst and we would throw it at eachother shouting who wants the garbage so this is like a nba game of who wants the garbage but russell westbook is the garbage take that to the bank brochachos
identikit
Footballguy
That's why the Lakers want Russell.
the moops
Footballguy
Quite good is a huge overstatement. He has been not typical bad. That's all
Major
Footballguy
Decent 3 point shooter. I think that's why they want him.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Also Swaggy P is gone, so the locker room should be just peachy.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
So the Lakers are in the classic sell low buy high on DeAngelo?
Gr00vus
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They're in panic mode trying to fill their albatross contract roster spot now that Westbrook's deal is expiring.
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