2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (4 Viewers)

[Yo Mama]

This whole Joker-Ishbia thing just reminds me how much better the bubble was without all of these guys court-side.

Did you forget Westbrook trying to fight with Rondo’s brother and a bunch of babies?

 

[Desert_Power]

Zeller is terrible. Heat need to find a way to avoid giving him minutes.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Julius Randle sucks

 

[Desert_Power]

This whole Joker-Ishbia thing just reminds me how much better the bubble was without all of these guys court-side.

Did you forget Westbrook trying to fight with Rondo’s brother and a bunch of babies?

I guess, just feels like this happens alot lately. Gets on my nerves a bit. Rondo's brother seems like a tool.

Ishbia, flailing aside, seems to have handled that whole thing well though.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

The sheer unwillingness of NBA players to block out never fails to astound me.

 

[Zow]

This whole Joker-Ishbia thing just reminds me how much better the bubble was without all of these guys court-side.

Did you forget Westbrook trying to fight with Rondo’s brother and a bunch of babies?

I guess, just feels like this happens alot lately. Gets on my nerves a bit. Rondo's brother seems like a tool.

Ishbia, flailing aside, seems to have handled that whole thing well though.

I agree he's said and done all the right things since.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

This is some of the worst basketball I’ve ever seen.

 

[dickey moe]

GP Jr. pulling a Paul Pierce?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

GP Jr. pulling a Paul Pierce?

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[dickey moe]

Lol Draymond improvising like Magic Johnson.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Lakers with 1 foul so far in 21 minutes. Lol.

 

[offdee]

GP Jr. pulling a Paul Pierce?

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Exactly my first thought. Ooops, poop.

 

[trader jake]

Get that Austin Reeves style "charge draw" attempt out of the NBA. It's a total ******** play that put Steph Curry at serious injury risk. See also Giannis and Ja earlier this postseason.

I'm also talking to Marcus Smart, Kyle Lowry, Kevin Love, and any other player that consistently pulls that crap. Move the charge circle out and enforce the defender being in front of the offensive player before they start to go up.

 

[offdee]

GP Jr. pulling a Paul Pierce?

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Exactly my first thought. Ooops, poop.

Just saw a clip of Gary Payton Jr throwing up but keeping it in his mouth while he finished off the defensive possession …that’s why he ran off.

 

[dickey moe]

Nasty

 

[Desert_Power]

Breathless feel to this game.

 

[trader jake]

Lonnie Walker is the new Russell Westbrook.

 

[The Gator]

Love Curry, exceptionally dumb decision.

 

[dickey moe]

Bad deep shots by LeBron and Curry down the stretch.

 

[msudaisy26]

Green is awesome.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Lonnie Walker filling it up and leads Lakers to W

GS absolutely abusing AD on high screens but he did great job 1v1 Curry on perimeter that 2nd to last possession. Thought GS got away from taking advantage of AD on those high screens. Do it everytime and completely gas him.

Easy call. Curry threw it away

 

[Desert_Power]

Green is awesome.

Another big end of game blunder from Green.

 

[The Gator]

Bad long shots by LeBron and Curry down the stretch.

One point down, let’s hoist up a ****ty chance.

 

[dickey moe]

Warriors have been so damn sloppy.

 

[dickey moe]

Dumb. We're the Warriors all out of timeouts?

 

[thecatch]

I have no words for that Draymond play.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

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[ShamrockPride]

Klay hurt em tonight. Simple as that. Just kept launching from deep.

It just feels like GS doesn't have any anwsers for this team right now (and Kerr's been trying). I'm sure they'll grab next game...they're champions and fighters, but I'd be surprised if this thing got to 7.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Lonnie Walker did helluva job picking up Bron/AD. Both of whom were gassed and werent moving well. He and Reeves stepped up big

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Walker Cuatro was the difference. Crazy!

 

[Desert_Power]

Steph had a helluva game, but the lack of a real second option on the offense hurt a lot tonight.

 

[Frostillicus]

Lebron was -10 tonight. Lakers win this easily if they would have just benched him.

 

[trader jake]

Steph had a helluva game, but the lack of a real second option on the offense hurt a lot tonight.

The Warriors just didn't trust their advantages in the 4th quarter. They got plenty of good looks thru 3 quarters, but started going with too much iso in the 4th. When they drove and kicked, they got wide open shots.

 

[msudaisy26]

Either Kerr or Draymond are stupid. That is two games with the game on the line and and they left the ball in the hands of Draymond over Curry on a dribble hand off. Either Kerr called it that way or Green is improvising. I am about 80 percent sure it is Green.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Steph had a helluva game, but the lack of a real second option on the offense hurt a lot tonight.

The Warriors just didn't trust their advantages in the 4th quarter. They got plenty of good looks thru 3 quarters, but started going with too much iso in the 4th. When they drove and kicked, they got wide open shots.

Yup. No idea why a veteran team would do that. Or why a “great coach” like Kerr wouldn’t steer them back to what was working.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

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Lonnie Walker 4th QTR: 15
le last 3 games combined: 11

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Either Kerr or Draymond are stupid. That is two games with the game on the line and and they left the ball in the hands of Draymond over Curry on a dribble hand off. Either Kerr called it that way or Green is improvising. I am about 80 percent sure it is Green.

The defensive gurus on the Twitters are saying that Lebron sniffed out the play and yelled for Davis to switch off Wiggins and onto Klay, which Green was clearly not expecting--he was looking to hit Klay for a corner three.

 

[Frostillicus]

Either Kerr or Draymond are stupid. That is two games with the game on the line and and they left the ball in the hands of Draymond over Curry on a dribble hand off. Either Kerr called it that way or Green is improvising. I am about 80 percent sure it is Green.

I'll have to rewatch the play to be sure, but I'm pretty sure that was by design tonight. Draymond is supposed to fake the handoff and drive and kick either to the corner or a cutter from the wing and the Lakers had both guys blanketed with nowhere for Draymond to go. That's why that pass was to nobody with nothing on it. He had no where to go with the ball.

 

[Frostillicus]

I can't find a good replay yet, but in the crappy one I found it looks like Klay is in the corner with Wiggins cutting. Draymond is supposed to find one as he turns down the baseline but AD and Lebron shut that down.

Also credit to Reaves sticking on Moody and not helping on Draymond's drive. Lakers basically said "go ahead big fella"

 

[Frostillicus]

Ohhh as soon as Lebron sees Curry didn't get the hand-off he points to AD to get to the corner for Klay and swallows up Wiggins himself. That dude is smart.

 

[Yo Mama]

Schroeder is the best/worst

 

[Capella]

0 points for Poole. Maybe Draymond was right.

 

[the moops]

That whole 5-10 area of the all-time list is always a pretty tough one to rank. Duncan definitely has an argument there. So do contemporaries like Kobe, Shaq, and now Steph. I think what Tim did with the Spurs is pretty highly rated by most fans.

Yeah I did this the other day and it’s so hard. I think I had Duncan at nine.

Correction, Duncan was ten.

My top ten:
MJ
Lebron
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Shaq
Wilt
Kobe
Bird
Duncan

Terrible list

 

[Zow]

That whole 5-10 area of the all-time list is always a pretty tough one to rank. Duncan definitely has an argument there. So do contemporaries like Kobe, Shaq, and now Steph. I think what Tim did with the Spurs is pretty highly rated by most fans.

Yeah I did this the other day and it’s so hard. I think I had Duncan at nine.

Correction, Duncan was ten.

My top ten:
MJ
Lebron
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Shaq
Wilt
Kobe
Bird
Duncan

Terrible list

Terrible? Really?

I could see argument for moving some guys up and some down but terrible? C'mon.

 

[msudaisy26]

Either Kerr or Draymond are stupid. That is two games with the game on the line and and they left the ball in the hands of Draymond over Curry on a dribble hand off. Either Kerr called it that way or Green is improvising. I am about 80 percent sure it is Green.

I'll have to rewatch the play to be sure, but I'm pretty sure that was by design tonight. Draymond is supposed to fake the handoff and drive and kick either to the corner or a cutter from the wing and the Lakers had both guys blanketed with nowhere for Draymond to go. That's why that pass was to nobody with nothing on it. He had no where to go with the ball.

Either Kerr or Draymond are stupid. That is two games with the game on the line and and they left the ball in the hands of Draymond over Curry on a dribble hand off. Either Kerr called it that way or Green is improvising. I am about 80 percent sure it is Green.

The defensive gurus on the Twitters are saying that Lebron sniffed out the play and yelled for Davis to switch off Wiggins and onto Klay, which Green was clearly not expecting--he was looking to hit Klay for a corner three.

Then I was wrong about Green improvising, but it is a bad call by Kerr for a lot of reasons.
LeBron and the Lakers knew the play, Green's decision making has been horrible these playoffs, so putting it in his hands is a bad idea, Green also isn't a threat to score there, the Lakers know he is going to pass it and Klay was terrible all game and especially in the last couple of minutes.

The ball has to go to Curry or if you run that play at least five the ball to Wiggins or someone who is a threat to score a quick 2. The Warriors (mainly Kerr) out smarted themselves a couple times now and it may have cost them the series.

 

[Instinctive]

That whole 5-10 area of the all-time list is always a pretty tough one to rank. Duncan definitely has an argument there. So do contemporaries like Kobe, Shaq, and now Steph. I think what Tim did with the Spurs is pretty highly rated by most fans.

Yeah I did this the other day and it’s so hard. I think I had Duncan at nine.

Correction, Duncan was ten.

My top ten:
MJ
Lebron
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Shaq
Wilt
Kobe
Bird
Duncan

Terrible list

Terrible? Really?

I could see argue for moving some guys up and some down but terrible? C'mon.

I assumed it was in jest, given this is the #HOTTAKESHERE thread


I'd argue Bird and Duncan are both a bit too low and should be ahead of Shaq. Not sure Kobe is really deserving of a top 10 spot either.

 

[The Z Machine]

I'd argue Bird and Duncan are both a bit too low and should be ahead of Shaq. Not sure Kobe is really deserving of a top 10 spot either.

Some of this comes down to how the player played at their peak vs. how they played over their entire career. Maybe your top 10 values continued contribution over the course of their career. Maybe your top 10 values peak performance and how dominate that player was at their best.

IMO, peak Shaq was better than peak Duncan. Shaq was essentially unguardable at his peak and the rules in place at the time. Remember, Hack-a-Shaq? When the guy is hitting 60% of his FGs, all from like 3' from the basket and he shoots 50% from the FT line... do the math. Duncan was never that dominant. Without looking at the stats, I think Shaq better on D during his peak, getting more blocks, more rebounds than Duncan. I think he affected the opposition slightly more than Duncan.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

That whole 5-10 area of the all-time list is always a pretty tough one to rank. Duncan definitely has an argument there. So do contemporaries like Kobe, Shaq, and now Steph. I think what Tim did with the Spurs is pretty highly rated by most fans.

Yeah I did this the other day and it’s so hard. I think I had Duncan at nine.

Correction, Duncan was ten.

My top ten:
MJ
Lebron
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Shaq
Wilt
Kobe
Bird
Duncan

Terrible list

Terrible? Really?

I could see argue for moving some guys up and some down but terrible? C'mon.

I would t worry about it. Teh moopers is like the anti-Lego movie dude.

 

[Tau837]

I'd argue Bird and Duncan are both a bit too low and should be ahead of Shaq. Not sure Kobe is really deserving of a top 10 spot either.

Some of this comes down to how the player played at their peak vs. how they played over their entire career. Maybe your top 10 values continued contribution over the course of their career. Maybe your top 10 values peak performance and how dominate that player was at their best.

IMO, peak Shaq was better than peak Duncan. Shaq was essentially unguardable at his peak and the rules in place at the time. Remember, Hack-a-Shaq? When the guy is hitting 60% of his FGs, all from like 3' from the basket and he shoots 50% from the FT line... do the math. Duncan was never that dominant. Without looking at the stats, I think Shaq better on D during his peak, getting more blocks, more rebounds than Robinson. I think he affected the opposition slightly more than Robinson.

Are you comparing Shaq to Duncan or Robinson here? I assume you meant Duncan.

Among the things you said here, I disagree that Shaq was at any point in his career better defensively than Duncan.

• Shaq made the All Defensive 2nd team 3 times and never made 1st team. Duncan made the All Defensive 1st team 8 times and 2nd team 7 times. There is no comparison there.
• Also, a quick glance at what I would guess to be their 5 year peaks shows that Duncan had higher defensive rebounding, block, and steal percentages in those respective periods.
• In addition, IMO Duncan was a better defender in ways that didn't easily translate to the box score, such as being a better help defender.
• On top of that, Duncan was much more available than Shaq, who missed nearly a full regular season worth of games in his peak period. So Duncan played a lot more high quality defensive minutes.

Bottom line, IMO Duncan was a much better defender, both in their respective peak periods and throughout their careers.

 

[The Z Machine]

I'd argue Bird and Duncan are both a bit too low and should be ahead of Shaq. Not sure Kobe is really deserving of a top 10 spot either.

Some of this comes down to how the player played at their peak vs. how they played over their entire career. Maybe your top 10 values continued contribution over the course of their career. Maybe your top 10 values peak performance and how dominate that player was at their best.

IMO, peak Shaq was better than peak Duncan. Shaq was essentially unguardable at his peak and the rules in place at the time. Remember, Hack-a-Shaq? When the guy is hitting 60% of his FGs, all from like 3' from the basket and he shoots 50% from the FT line... do the math. Duncan was never that dominant. Without looking at the stats, I think Shaq better on D during his peak, getting more blocks, more rebounds than Robinson. I think he affected the opposition slightly more than Robinson.

Are you comparing Shaq to Duncan or Robinson here?

oops, multitasking.