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2022-23 NBA Thread: “you’ll never let me down like the Heat did”, Miami fan says to giant pile of cocaine (2 Viewers)

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Doc Rivers keeps getting head coaching jobs. :loco:

It's not all on him, but a lot of this outcome is.
Doc's results at this point speak for themself. He is kind of the Marty Schottenheimer of the NBA. I'd go Jeff Fisher, but the truth is Doc's teams usually do better in the regualr season and underachieve in the playoffs.

Doc won a championship. There's your difference.
 
I'd be stunned if Lakers get past Denver. I think they'll bury the Lakers/AD with Jokic-Murray high screens (along with great movement w/o the ball).
Yea and that’s going to wear AD out for the offensive end.

I don’t see how anybody beats Denver. Their offense is just off the charts good.
imo, the biggest reason lakers won in 2020 is Dwight howard and Denver's secondary players.

Jokic having to muscle around Howard most of the game, wore him down, and more importantly allowed David to play off (for the most part).
 
I'd be stunned if Lakers get past Denver. I think they'll bury the Lakers/AD with Jokic-Murray high screens (along with great movement w/o the ball).
Yea and that’s going to wear AD out for the offensive end.

I don’t see how anybody beats Denver. Their offense is just off the charts good.
imo, the biggest reason lakers won in 2020 is Dwight howard and Denver's secondary players.

Jokic having to muscle around Howard most of the game, wore him down, and more importantly allowed David to play off (for the most part).
I would say it was more AD hitting jumpers the whole post season like he was Dirk. AD wasn't a good jump shooter before and hasn't been since.
 
I enjoy Kwame Brown’s content, but was that one actually impressive? It was just Brown colorfully calling Morant an idiot (repeatedly).
I thought the NBA Youngboy reference was smart given the rapper’s legal issues and calling Ja NBA Dumbboy gave me a laugh.
 
are there any reliable sites for watching really old NBA games?

i want some context around some of these outrageous rebound numbers from games in the 50s/60s. yeah, i know teams were shooting like 19% and no one could dunk but how does Hambone "Rum Runner" Jones notch 19 pts and 47 rebounds in a playoff game?

sure there were a lot of rebounding opportunities, but were the opposing center and power forward totaling 60+ rebounds in the same game as well?? were teams firing up a shot and only the opposing big man was allowed to grab the miss?
 
Harden led league in assists and still can drop 40+ on occasion. He will get another big contract.

I'll be surprised if he doesn't. But who? Bad teams aren't going to sign him hoping he is the answer. Good teams don't need him. And the middle of the road teams ... he doesn't fit many. Maybe a team like Atlanta or New Orleans? It'll be interesting.
Exactly. Which legitimate contender is going to sign Harden and convince themselves he can elevate them to a title?
 
are there any reliable sites for watching really old NBA games?

i want some context around some of these outrageous rebound numbers from games in the 50s/60s. yeah, i know teams were shooting like 19% and no one could dunk but how does Hambone "Rum Runner" Jones notch 19 pts and 47 rebounds in a playoff game?

sure there were a lot of rebounding opportunities, but were the opposing center and power forward totaling 60+ rebounds in the same game as well?? were teams firing up a shot and only the opposing big man was allowed to grab the miss?
How old? Plenty of NBA games going back to the 80s on YouTube
 
Harden led league in assists and still can drop 40+ on occasion. He will get another big contract.

I'll be surprised if he doesn't. But who? Bad teams aren't going to sign him hoping he is the answer. Good teams don't need him. And the middle of the road teams ... he doesn't fit many. Maybe a team like Atlanta or New Orleans? It'll be interesting.
Exactly. Which legitimate contender is going to sign Harden and convince themselves he can elevate them to a title?
Would take a sign and trade but, Clippers?
 
Harden led league in assists and still can drop 40+ on occasion. He will get another big contract.

I'll be surprised if he doesn't. But who? Bad teams aren't going to sign him hoping he is the answer. Good teams don't need him. And the middle of the road teams ... he doesn't fit many. Maybe a team like Atlanta or New Orleans? It'll be interesting.
Exactly. Which legitimate contender is going to sign Harden and convince themselves he can elevate them to a title?
Perhaps Memphis could be interested in a shorter term contract especially if Ja gets some sort of lengthy suspension. They already will let Dillon Brooks go, and they if they lose Ja for significant time—they could use a player that can score and set up players like Jaren Jackson and Bane.

Also—Chicago could use a proper distributor type player with the uncertainty around Ball. They would probably have to do a sign and trade.

The Pelicans could also be a possibility. They could use a bonafide point guard type player that would allow McCollum to play his natural position.
 
Harden led league in assists and still can drop 40+ on occasion. He will get another big contract.

I'll be surprised if he doesn't. But who? Bad teams aren't going to sign him hoping he is the answer. Good teams don't need him. And the middle of the road teams ... he doesn't fit many. Maybe a team like Atlanta or New Orleans? It'll be interesting.
Exactly. Which legitimate contender is going to sign Harden and convince themselves he can elevate them to a title?
Perhaps Memphis could be interested in a shorter term contract especially if Ja gets some sort of lengthy suspension. They already will let Dillon Brooks go, and they if they lose Ja for significant time—they could use a player that can score and set up players like Jaren Jackson and Bane.

Also—Chicago could use a proper distributor type player with the uncertainty around Ball. They would probably have to do a sign and trade.

The Pelicans could also be a possibility. They could use a bonafide point guard type player that would allow McCollum to play his natural position.
I figured Pelicans would be an interesting CP3 landing spot.
 
If Philly and their fans are done with Embiid we will take him in Detroit, I am sure about 25ish other teams feel the same way.
Yea I doubt Sixers management is done with him. But as a fan base, we're done with his ********. All his antics that we've been playing off and ignoring knowing full well wed hate them if another team did them, that's all done. He needs to get his **** together, grow the **** up and maybe win a damn meaningful playoff series.
I get being frustrated, I do. But your team lost a series in 7 games to a really good team. It happens. You had playoff life and hopes extended into mid-May. The team I root for was done in Feb.
This. I'm as upset as anyone, this stings and sucks and we didn't play as well as we should have.

That said, I believe "choking" is when the team that is SUPPOSED to win, loses. Boston was favoured in all 7 games this series and absolutely was the favourite and the team that was "supposed" to win.

Good perspective, here. There's an old saying in football that goes something like "The other team has guys on scholarship too". Boston a damn good team. Plus, you have the Eagles to fall back on relatively soon! Living in a town with one pro sports team, it's awfully bleak when the Blazers are bad and it ain't all glitz and glamor when they're decent either.
Definitely cheering for Portland to win the lottery. Spend a lot of time in that city and I cheer for the Blazers after Philly.
 
are there any reliable sites for watching really old NBA games?

i want some context around some of these outrageous rebound numbers from games in the 50s/60s. yeah, i know teams were shooting like 19% and no one could dunk but how does Hambone "Rum Runner" Jones notch 19 pts and 47 rebounds in a playoff game?

sure there were a lot of rebounding opportunities, but were the opposing center and power forward totaling 60+ rebounds in the same game as well?? were teams firing up a shot and only the opposing big man was allowed to grab the miss?
How old? Plenty of NBA games going back to the 80s on YouTube
He literally says 1950’s/60’s in his post.
 
Living in a town with one pro sports team
Uh, Timbers are still around right?

Guys, are we really calling MLS "Pro Sports". Come on.
Yea for me you have the big four sports because those are the best leagues in the world at that sport. MLS is legitimately like the 8th-10th best soccer league in the world. But people like it so who am I to argue.

This is accurate but the difference is in the scale I think.

There are over 200 first division soccer leagues in the world. It seems a bit harsh to call the ~8th best league out of ~200 not professional or trash but every one has their own opinion on what they consider professional I guess.

Some one mentioned the world cup before. Only the big 5 leagues in Europe (England, Italy, Germany, France, Spain) sent more current players to the WC than MLS did. And there were also a ton of players who started in MLS who moved on to the big 5 leagues that also went.
 
Not sure how realistic this is, but if I was Philly I'd go get Nick Nurse and find some depth to go along with Embiid and Harden.
 
Not sure how realistic this is, but if I was Philly I'd go get Nick Nurse and find some depth to go along with Embiid and Harden.
Josh Harris may be too busy dealing with a $6B purchase of a completely dysfunctional franchise to worry about his mostly adequate coach in PHI. Biggest hope there is Harden doesn't take his player option. for all his skills he's a cancer in the playoffs when they don't give him the flop on shot foul calls.
 
The way I see it, Denver needs to win both of the first two home games. If LA gets one I liken them to win the series.

Jokic / Murray will try and PnR the Lakers to death, it’ll be interesting how much we see Lebron guarding Jokic and if he can stay w him.

I think Denver can win this in 6 but they’ve got to come out hot tonight and ride the home crowd
 
I’m also surprised at reading all the Embiid hate above. I thought he had a pretty solid series. Harden is the guy to #### on, he quit on the team on multiple games (his otherworldly Game 1 being the outlier)
 
The Timbers have a good following here but let's be honest - MLS is Single A baseball at best. At least with Single A, some of those kids might become stars. MLS is broken down pros chasing a paycheck or guys who were never any good. Look at the World Cup rosters of where the guys play league - its like 2-3% MLS and those guys usually play for Costa Rica or Honduras. MLS is trash.

Thorns games are much better for my money. Those are legit players.
I know you're trolling me and that this is an NBA thread, but c'mon, GM.

Single A? Those kids aren't getting paid squat. Here's some young players and their ages that started in MLS and moved to bigger leagues and what the buying clubs paid for their rights.

Daryl Dike (21) - Orlando City SC to West Bromwich Albion for $9.5 million + 20% sell-on clause
Jozy Altidore (19) - NYRB to Villarreal for $10 million
Gaga Slonina (18) - Chicago Fire FC to Chelsea for up to $15 million
Brenden Aaronson (19) - Philadelphia Union to RB Salzburg for $14 million
Ricardo Pepi (19) - FC Dallas to Augsburg for $20 million
Alphonso Davies (18) - Vancouver Whitecaps FC to Bayern Munich for up to $22 million

All these players were brought up through the MLS academies and all play for the USA or Canada. The MLS has made huge strides in their player development in the last ~5 years. It's now a league where young players are recruited to go to European leagues. While not supplying the quantity (or quality) of Argentina or Brazil, MLS is the 3rd leading supplier of young talent to European leagues in the Americas.
 
I’m also surprised at reading all the Embiid hate above. I thought he had a pretty solid series. Harden is the guy to #### on, he quit on the team on multiple games (his otherworldly Game 1 being the outlier)
The dude disappeared when it counted. For an MVP, that's ungood.
 
Boston going for back to back analytics titles after being the clear favorite to win last year. So they've already proven that doesn't mean jack squat.


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    RAPTOR    ELO    BPI    Bref    AVG
BOS    54    60    72.7    63.2    62.5
DEN    28    17    13.2    24.2    20.6
LAL    09    14    13.5    07.3    11.0
MIA    09    09    00.7    05.3    06.0
 
are there any reliable sites for watching really old NBA games?

i want some context around some of these outrageous rebound numbers from games in the 50s/60s. yeah, i know teams were shooting like 19% and no one could dunk but how does Hambone "Rum Runner" Jones notch 19 pts and 47 rebounds in a playoff game?

sure there were a lot of rebounding opportunities, but were the opposing center and power forward totaling 60+ rebounds in the same game as well?? were teams firing up a shot and only the opposing big man was allowed to grab the miss?
How old? Plenty of NBA games going back to the 80s on YouTube
50s/60s when dudes were putting up absolutely nonsensical rebounding numbers

apparently Bill Russell averaged like 19 and 38 in an entire playoff run or something
 
I’m also surprised at reading all the Embiid hate above. I thought he had a pretty solid series. Harden is the guy to #### on, he quit on the team on multiple games (his otherworldly Game 1 being the outlier)
None of the Sixers should be getting crapped on for their performance this playoff. The Celtics were one of the favorite teams to win it all before the season started, they were the best team in the league to start the season, they had a higher seed entering the playoffs, and they were the favorites to win every game against a Sixers team that had Embiid missing for one game and playing on a grade 2 knee sprain for 6 games. Even if Embiid was fully healthy—the Celtics would have been favored to win the series. Harden basically single handedly won the Sixers two games against one of the elite teams in the league. At this point in his career—that’s probably about the best you can expect from him. I know this will probably be a tough take to swallow—but the Sixers with Embiid missing one game, and being hobbled for 6 more probably over exceeded expectations by taking Boston to 7. Sure, I know that it is frustrating when a team has a chance to close somebody out and is unable to do so—but in this case—the better, deeper, and healthier team won.
 
Boston going for back to back analytics titles after being the clear favorite to win last year. So they've already proven that doesn't mean jack squat.


Code:
    RAPTOR    ELO    BPI    Bref    AVG
BOS    54    60    72.7    63.2    62.5
DEN    28    17    13.2    24.2    20.6
LAL    09    14    13.5    07.3    11.0
MIA    09    09    00.7    05.3    06.0
That's a full season of data. I'm not saying it's meaningless, but let's get real Lakers with Westbrook and without Westbrook are very different teams.
 
the better, deeper, and healthier team won.
True.

Also true that the Sixers were horrible in Q4 in game 6 and Q3 in game 7. They had chances to close it out, even one at home, and they failed to do so. That is undeniable.
I agree—and I admit that it’s frustrating. However, I do think the “sky is falling” attitude about the Sixers is a bit odd. Embiids health is a huge part of the success of that franchise. If Embiid was fully healthy and was moving around and being his dominant self and choked away two close out opportunities—then I would say that some anger and questioning is warranted. However, we’re talking about the inferior team that was playing with their franchise player injured. The fact that the Sixers battled hard enough to almost win under those circumstances is objectively more positive than negative imo. Is anybody trashing Giannis for not being able to lead his team to beat an 8 seed while injured? I get that losing sucks—but we can’t be associating legitimate injury with meaning a “lack of heart”, a “lack of effort” or that he doesn’t “want to win”..etc.
 
I’m also surprised at reading all the Embiid hate above. I thought he had a pretty solid series. Harden is the guy to #### on, he quit on the team on multiple games (his otherworldly Game 1 being the outlier)
He averaged 25.5/9.0/2.0 while shooting 42% from the field and 20% from three. And he was objectively awful on both sides of the court in Game 7 - part of what flipped the game was the Celtics putting him in pick and roll over and over again in the second half and Tatum torched him. All of that while he was 1-6 in the second half.

So some of it is recency bias as he was terrible in Game 7 and was a non-factor in the last 5 minutes or whatever of Game 6 when he didn't even touch the ball, but for whatever reason (knee injury, being a "choker", just having a bad game, whatever), he was a huge part of their collapse at the end of Game 6 and all of Game 7.
 
I was going to comment about the crazy climate change in media coverage in about 48 hours. BOS was going to have to can Mazzulla, Tatum will forever come up small, and Brown was getting shipped out of town. Two days later, it's Doc is done, Harden's gone, and Joel may not want to stick around. I get it . . . that's the difference between winning and losing.

Also curious why Embiid isn't getting called out more. He wasn't particularly great the past couple of games. Sure, he hasn't been 100% against BOS, but he was the MVP. He's now 5-6 in playoff series and hasn't made it out of the 2nd round. Harden has been getting called out as not being a great playoff leader and has folded multiple times. But Joel hasn't exactly been stellar in the post season.

From what I saw, Embiid was often content to linger on the perimeter on the weak side of the court in the last two games against Boston while his teammates possessed the ball on the opposite side of the court. He didn't come to the ball, he didn't post up much, and there were times when he had Smrt covering him. Not only that, when shots went up, he just stood there and watched and let everyone else battle for a rebound. I don't get how he was not fully engaged. If he is the alpha on the team, he would have made himself be available and front and center. But for some reason he didn't. So, sure, he's right that he can't win on his own and that he didn't touch the ball in the last 4 minutes of Game 6. But he made very little attempt to get the ball or get under the basket where no one could do much with him.
Embiid is getting destroyed here in Philly today. People feel betrayed because so many went to the wall defending this guy only for him to come up so small. Then on top of it his comments about he and James can't do it alone. **** that, man. You just scored 15 points in a game 7 for your ****ing legacy and you're blaming Harris, Maxey, Tucker et al for failing you?! I'm done with this guy.
That quote has been taken way out of context. If you listen to him answer that question in full, he isn't at all throwing the team under the bus.

That said, I am kind of loving all the people ****ting on Embiid after the way he pushed for the MVP in the media then dodged Jokic in Denver.
The dodging Jokic thing is the worst take of all time. Did Jokic then dodge all the other teams when he rested like half of the final 10 games of the season? And don't even pretend he was "injured"

The MVP voting was an absolute landslide. If it was close then I could see ppl saying someone else should have won but it was 73-15.
Jokic definitely sandbagged the last 10-12 games or whatever of the season (which was the right move for the team, they still got the #1 seed and they were the best rested team in the NBA going into the playoffs) and I think Embiid deserved the MVP. But, Embiid was out in the media talking **** (including the day before the Nuggets-Sixers game) and talking himself up all year as the deserving MVP and how the media isn't fair to him. To play the games on either side of the Nuggets matchup but to miss the Nuggets game was a total ***** move. It's Dillon Brooks-lite - he talks himself up then doesn't back it up when it matters. I love some good **** talking, but it comes off super weak when you don't back it up.
 
I do think the “sky is falling” attitude about the Sixers is a bit odd.
I wouldn't go that far, but it does seem all those years of tanking (i.e. The Process) was mostly for nothing. Embid is the deserved MVP and is one of the bright spots to come out of the tank strategy, but never getting out of the second round couldn't have been the ultimate goal.
 
I do think the “sky is falling” attitude about the Sixers is a bit odd.
I wouldn't go that far, but it does seem all those years of tanking (i.e. The Process) was mostly for nothing. Embid is the deserved MVP and is one of the bright spots to come out of the tank strategy, but never getting out of the second round couldn't have been the ultimate goal.
It was not. The goal was championships or at least a team that could compete for one. 10 years and we're in the exact same spot.
 
Woj saying there is a very real possibility that Harden ends up in Houston.
I think it happens. They want an ‘adult’ in the room, well wait that’s not him, but at least a guy who can put the ball in a spot where their young guys can score. He can do that, he gets to go back to a city he loves and has no pressure to win. Houston will overpay for him too.
 
I do think the “sky is falling” attitude about the Sixers is a bit odd.
I wouldn't go that far, but it does seem all those years of tanking (i.e. The Process) was mostly for nothing. Embid is the deserved MVP and is one of the bright spots to come out of the tank strategy, but never getting out of the second round couldn't have been the ultimate goal.
Thought the process was a good strategy, they just screwed it up by letting the Colangelos run it.
 
I do think the “sky is falling” attitude about the Sixers is a bit odd.
I wouldn't go that far, but it does seem all those years of tanking (i.e. The Process) was mostly for nothing. Embid is the deserved MVP and is one of the bright spots to come out of the tank strategy, but never getting out of the second round couldn't have been the ultimate goal.
Thought the process was a good strategy, they just screwed it up by letting the Colangelos run it.
They = Adam Silver
 
are there any reliable sites for watching really old NBA games?

i want some context around some of these outrageous rebound numbers from games in the 50s/60s. yeah, i know teams were shooting like 19% and no one could dunk but how does Hambone "Rum Runner" Jones notch 19 pts and 47 rebounds in a playoff game?

sure there were a lot of rebounding opportunities, but were the opposing center and power forward totaling 60+ rebounds in the same game as well?? were teams firing up a shot and only the opposing big man was allowed to grab the miss?
yes, the pace of play was nuts with the number of possessions per game and I do think that for the most part, just the centers were under the basket.
 
I’m also surprised at reading all the Embiid hate above. I thought he had a pretty solid series. Harden is the guy to #### on, he quit on the team on multiple games (his otherworldly Game 1 being the outlier)
The dude disappeared when it counted. For an MVP, that's ungood.
I disagree there. He got beat up pretty good by a better BOS team. Centers are easier to double and get physical with. We are about to see how Jokic handles it when LA beats the crap outta him. But when it happens the #1B has to step up. And Harden rolled out 17, 13, and 9 in the last 3 games. So a $45M player posted a 13 ppg average in 3 meaningful games? Harden is a ghost when it matters. This isn't new. In BRK last year he put up 14 and 11 in the last 2 playoff games vs MIA. Year before that vs MIL he put up 5, 16, and 22 in the last 3 playoff games. From a guy that averages about 24 ppg in the regular season. There's a reason Harden's teams have never won a title despite having players like KD, Westbrook, Irving, and Embiid by his side.
 
I was going to comment about the crazy climate change in media coverage in about 48 hours. BOS was going to have to can Mazzulla, Tatum will forever come up small, and Brown was getting shipped out of town. Two days later, it's Doc is done, Harden's gone, and Joel may not want to stick around. I get it . . . that's the difference between winning and losing.

Also curious why Embiid isn't getting called out more. He wasn't particularly great the past couple of games. Sure, he hasn't been 100% against BOS, but he was the MVP. He's now 5-6 in playoff series and hasn't made it out of the 2nd round. Harden has been getting called out as not being a great playoff leader and has folded multiple times. But Joel hasn't exactly been stellar in the post season.

From what I saw, Embiid was often content to linger on the perimeter on the weak side of the court in the last two games against Boston while his teammates possessed the ball on the opposite side of the court. He didn't come to the ball, he didn't post up much, and there were times when he had Smrt covering him. Not only that, when shots went up, he just stood there and watched and let everyone else battle for a rebound. I don't get how he was not fully engaged. If he is the alpha on the team, he would have made himself be available and front and center. But for some reason he didn't. So, sure, he's right that he can't win on his own and that he didn't touch the ball in the last 4 minutes of Game 6. But he made very little attempt to get the ball or get under the basket where no one could do much with him.
Embiid is getting destroyed here in Philly today. People feel betrayed because so many went to the wall defending this guy only for him to come up so small. Then on top of it his comments about he and James can't do it alone. **** that, man. You just scored 15 points in a game 7 for your ****ing legacy and you're blaming Harris, Maxey, Tucker et al for failing you?! I'm done with this guy.
That quote has been taken way out of context. If you listen to him answer that question in full, he isn't at all throwing the team under the bus.

That said, I am kind of loving all the people ****ting on Embiid after the way he pushed for the MVP in the media then dodged Jokic in Denver.
The dodging Jokic thing is the worst take of all time. Did Jokic then dodge all the other teams when he rested like half of the final 10 games of the season? And don't even pretend he was "injured"

The MVP voting was an absolute landslide. If it was close then I could see ppl saying someone else should have won but it was 73-15.
Jokic definitely sandbagged the last 10-12 games or whatever of the season (which was the right move for the team, they still got the #1 seed and they were the best rested team in the NBA going into the playoffs) and I think Embiid deserved the MVP. But, Embiid was out in the media talking **** (including the day before the Nuggets-Sixers game) and talking himself up all year as the deserving MVP and how the media isn't fair to him. To play the games on either side of the Nuggets matchup but to miss the Nuggets game was a total ***** move. It's Dillon Brooks-lite - he talks himself up then doesn't back it up when it matters. I love some good **** talking, but it comes off super weak when you don't back it up.
Not sure if trolling, sarcastic, biased, or just don't know what you're talking about.
 
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