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I don't know about the rumors, but Harris has a lot of value this year. He is an expiring deals and can also help you win if you are a contender. If Philly traded him they wouldn't have to attach anything to it.
Harris is a fine player and can help teams, but he makes 39 million dollars, which means he is overpaid by like 20 million. Nobody is giving up anything for him besides equally bad money. And if PHI wants to net something positive in trading him, they will have to attach something
i agree with this, unless there is a team that has multiple role players signed for 2 or more years and they are just looking to tear it down. i don't know if that team exists, but that would be the only way that i could see the sixers getting positive value without attaching something else of value.
 
More clarity to Michael Malone's post-game 2 comments. Some may call it "desperate" and "frustrated." Others may call it transparent and treating your players like mature men capable of handling the truth.

Q: "Michael, after Game 2, you were critical, up here, of your players...and I know that's not the first time in eight years, that you've done that...how do you decide when to come out here and say those kinds of things about your players?'

A: "Honesty isn't critical, I think it was an honest assessment of the game. And before I came out here and spoke to you guys, I had the same conversation with our players. Never once will I come into a press conference and say something to you that I haven't [already] spoken to our team about.

"And our players owned it. I asked them after the game, why did we lose tonight? And they told me, we didn't play hard enough. They told me we didn't play disciplined enough."

 
Aaron Gordon today on his coach's comments (3:43)

Q: "Malone mentioned that the film session this morning was 'pretty honest,' at this stage of the game how vital is honesty and accountability...?"

A: "It's important...ya gotta call a spade a spade, ya gotta call it like you see it. It's the only way you're gonna get better and make the necessary adjustments. It's about taking accountability, looking inward first, and then moving from there."

 
Joking about DJax’s source aside, Liberty Ballers had an interesting article about the value Tobias Harris and his large expiring contract could have going into this new CBA. Things will get harsher in 24-25, so there will be teams looking to clear long term salary this year. Link
 
Joking about DJax’s source aside, Liberty Ballers had an interesting article about the value Tobias Harris and his large expiring contract could have going into this new CBA. Things will get harsher in 24-25, so there will be teams looking to clear long term salary this year. Link

Shhhh, he isn't worth anything.
 
Joking about DJax’s source aside, Liberty Ballers had an interesting article about the value Tobias Harris and his large expiring contract could have going into this new CBA. Things will get harsher in 24-25, so there will be teams looking to clear long term salary this year. Link

Shhhh, he isn't worth anything.
I so wish he'd get his ring already

I don't want any regrets for the big time baller
 
Joking about DJax’s source aside, Liberty Ballers had an interesting article about the value Tobias Harris and his large expiring contract could have going into this new CBA. Things will get harsher in 24-25, so there will be teams looking to clear long term salary this year. Link
So Philly bloggers think he’s a valuable asset. I’m … unconvinced.
 
Joking about DJax’s source aside, Liberty Ballers had an interesting article about the value Tobias Harris and his large expiring contract could have going into this new CBA. Things will get harsher in 24-25, so there will be teams looking to clear long term salary this year. Link
So Philly bloggers think he’s a valuable asset. I’m … unconvinced.

We aren't talking like a bunch of first and pick swaps, but if Philly decides to move him I bet they get a couple of rotational guys or a protected first.
 
Joking about DJax’s source aside, Liberty Ballers had an interesting article about the value Tobias Harris and his large expiring contract could have going into this new CBA. Things will get harsher in 24-25, so there will be teams looking to clear long term salary this year. Link
So Philly bloggers think he’s a valuable asset. I’m … unconvinced.

We aren't talking like a bunch of first and pick swaps, but if Philly decides to move him I bet they get a couple of rotational guys or a protected first.
Maybe a couple of rotational guys on bad contracts.
 
Joking about DJax’s source aside, Liberty Ballers had an interesting article about the value Tobias Harris and his large expiring contract could have going into this new CBA. Things will get harsher in 24-25, so there will be teams looking to clear long term salary this year. Link
So Philly bloggers think he’s a valuable asset. I’m … unconvinced.
Liberty ballers is a good site. That being said, I’m not sure they are saying that he’s a valuable asset, just trying to give an alternative perspective on his value in light of the new rules. I had looked at several of the teams they mentioned earlier today on spotrac and was hard pressed to find a real match.

Terry Rozier and Cody Martin or hardway/bertans (vomit) seem like the only semi plausible paths.
 
Joking about DJax’s source aside, Liberty Ballers had an interesting article about the value Tobias Harris and his large expiring contract could have going into this new CBA. Things will get harsher in 24-25, so there will be teams looking to clear long term salary this year. Link
So Philly bloggers think he’s a valuable asset. I’m … unconvinced.

We aren't talking like a bunch of first and pick swaps, but if Philly decides to move him I bet they get a couple of rotational guys or a protected first.
Maybe a couple of rotational guys on bad contracts.

I doubt it. New CBA makes that 39 million expiring look very nice.
 
Joking about DJax’s source aside, Liberty Ballers had an interesting article about the value Tobias Harris and his large expiring contract could have going into this new CBA. Things will get harsher in 24-25, so there will be teams looking to clear long term salary this year. Link
So Philly bloggers think he’s a valuable asset. I’m … unconvinced.
Liberty ballers is a good site. That being said, I’m not sure they are saying that he’s a valuable asset, just trying to give an alternative perspective on his value in light of the new rules. I had looked at several of the teams they mentioned earlier today on spotrac and was hard pressed to find a real match.

Terry Rozier and Cody Martin or hardway/bertans (vomit) seem like the only semi plausible paths.
Agreed - that was the point of the article I found interesting: that expiring contracts might hold more value this year than they have the past couple years. It’s going to be really hard to have three max (or near max) players on a team any more.

From a Philly perspective, they won’t get great assets back in return for Harris, but they probably won’t have to add any to get rid of him. They’d probably be wise to break his contract spot into a couple pieces if they do plan on keeping Harden at or near the max.
 
Joking about DJax’s source aside, Liberty Ballers had an interesting article about the value Tobias Harris and his large expiring contract could have going into this new CBA. Things will get harsher in 24-25, so there will be teams looking to clear long term salary this year. Link
So Philly bloggers think he’s a valuable asset. I’m … unconvinced.

We aren't talking like a bunch of first and pick swaps, but if Philly decides to move him I bet they get a couple of rotational guys or a protected first.
Maybe a couple of rotational guys on bad contracts.

I doubt it. New CBA makes that 39 million expiring look very nice.
Yes, very nice if you have ****ty 39 million dollars that extends beyond next year.

If you have a decent player(s) that make a combined 39 million that team is better off trading that into someone's cap space for a late first or some 2nd round picks rather than take on Harris contract
 
Listen to Malone's own words. To call out your own team for 2 dog games in a row at home and question their effort to open the NBA Finals...that would not be my approach.
It sounds desperate IMHO, I doubt Spo would take that open approach thru the media and IMO it shows a stark contrast in coaching styles.
I am not pounding down on Malone, he had to get thru the Western Conference and endless hype on the opposition, Denver was practically the underdog the whole way
And now they are big time favorites, huge leads in both games and yet it's 1-1 going back to Miami.
Maybe the huge leads do indicate how much better Denver is and the head coach is simply frustrated they missed an opportunity to hit the gas
Malone is just fine. Comments like these and similar from the media only reflect an ignorance and lack of familiarity with Malone's coaching style. He has frequently pounded the team publicly (but never specific individuals) for being complacent/unfocused/lazy, which is well-known to be the Nuggets' Achilles heel.

And if you think what he said after game 2 was "desperate" (Lol), just do some research from earlier in the season and prior years.

From the first week of the season...

“We were embarrassing tonight,” head coach Michael Malone said after the Nuggets’ recent blowout 135-110 loss at the Portland Trail Blazers. “It was a poor effort after that first quarter, did not defend at all. We can’t guard one-on-one right now at all.”

“We gave up 60-plus points in the paint, we gave up 48 points off threes, we put them on the foul line 31 times, they had 20-plus in transition,” Malone lamented, checking off box after box on a fairly exhaustive list of defensive transgressions the Nuggets committed against Portland.

“We did zero defensively tonight.”
It only took 1 word to turn you inside out on the Nuggets, I wrote a lot of other words that were not in any way trying to make him sound like a bad coach.
But let's not aim all our frustration at MoP, there have been plenty in the media that have been outspoken about how he is coaching and unleashing thru the media despite the fact he apparently does it on a nightly basis according to you and many of the Denver Nuggets fans, have not heard a lot of national media that say this is par for the course for Malone but he definitely has folks speaking out and saying that Coach Mike does this a lot.

You do understand what you're defending and saying, right? It somewhat corners Malone and what happens if embarrassing his team in the media doesn't work, what's next? And not taking any responsibility for the loss, all on the players, just a new one for many NBA fans. I was speaking out that it sounded to me somewhat desperate. It might work out great for Denver, they are 1-seed trying to edge out an 8-Seed, even if they win the NBA title, they are humongous favs coming into the Series and I would argue if the Heat even win 2 games they are doing pretty well in this Finals Series short handed.

-Good luck in Game 3 Stone, nothing personal buddy, love your passion :thumbup:
 
what is the over under in games missed for Ja's suspension? Silver's wording was rather ominous I thought.
the way it feels like this works is every punishment has to be exponentially greater than the one before it.

i'm going full season with a possible lifetime ban. then the next NBA player seen flashing a gun on camera just gets executed by Silver on live tv.
 
Listen to Malone's own words. To call out your own team for 2 dog games in a row at home and question their effort to open the NBA Finals...that would not be my approach.
It sounds desperate IMHO, I doubt Spo would take that open approach thru the media and IMO it shows a stark contrast in coaching styles.
I am not pounding down on Malone, he had to get thru the Western Conference and endless hype on the opposition, Denver was practically the underdog the whole way
And now they are big time favorites, huge leads in both games and yet it's 1-1 going back to Miami.
Maybe the huge leads do indicate how much better Denver is and the head coach is simply frustrated they missed an opportunity to hit the gas
Malone is just fine. Comments like these and similar from the media only reflect an ignorance and lack of familiarity with Malone's coaching style. He has frequently pounded the team publicly (but never specific individuals) for being complacent/unfocused/lazy, which is well-known to be the Nuggets' Achilles heel.

And if you think what he said after game 2 was "desperate" (Lol), just do some research from earlier in the season and prior years.

From the first week of the season...

“We were embarrassing tonight,” head coach Michael Malone said after the Nuggets’ recent blowout 135-110 loss at the Portland Trail Blazers. “It was a poor effort after that first quarter, did not defend at all. We can’t guard one-on-one right now at all.”

“We gave up 60-plus points in the paint, we gave up 48 points off threes, we put them on the foul line 31 times, they had 20-plus in transition,” Malone lamented, checking off box after box on a fairly exhaustive list of defensive transgressions the Nuggets committed against Portland.

“We did zero defensively tonight.”
It only took 1 word to turn you inside out on the Nuggets, I wrote a lot of other words that were not in any way trying to make him sound like a bad coach.
But let's not aim all our frustration at MoP, there have been plenty in the media that have been outspoken about how he is coaching and unleashing thru the media despite the fact he apparently does it on a nightly basis according to you and many of the Denver Nuggets fans, have not heard a lot of national media that say this is par for the course for Malone but he definitely has folks speaking out and saying that Coach Mike does this a lot.

You do understand what you're defending and saying, right? It somewhat corners Malone and what happens if embarrassing his team in the media doesn't work, what's next? And not taking any responsibility for the loss, all on the players, just a new one for many NBA fans. I was speaking out that it sounded to me somewhat desperate. It might work out great for Denver, they are 1-seed trying to edge out an 8-Seed, even if they win the NBA title, they are humongous favs coming into the Series and I would argue if the Heat even win 2 games they are doing pretty well in this Finals Series short handed.

-Good luck in Game 3 Stone, nothing personal buddy, love your passion :thumbup:
Meh. It's impossible to respond to any of this since your knowledge base appears to be a single press conference and listening to a bunch of media talking heads. So maybe just stick to commenting on your own team since your hot takes on the Nuggets, their coach and their fans are clearly misinformed.
 
what is the over under in games missed for Ja's suspension? Silver's wording was rather ominous I thought.
Yesterday I saw a report that Ja's camp is expecting 30 games. They're claiming that the gun in question was a toy.:doh:

If that is in fact their claim, and they make that claim to the NBA, the NBA should respond by doubling the proposed suspension since Ja obviously doesn't get the fact that it doesn't matter whether it was a toy or not.
 
Listen to Malone's own words. To call out your own team for 2 dog games in a row at home and question their effort to open the NBA Finals...that would not be my approach.
It sounds desperate IMHO, I doubt Spo would take that open approach thru the media and IMO it shows a stark contrast in coaching styles.
I am not pounding down on Malone, he had to get thru the Western Conference and endless hype on the opposition, Denver was practically the underdog the whole way
And now they are big time favorites, huge leads in both games and yet it's 1-1 going back to Miami.
Maybe the huge leads do indicate how much better Denver is and the head coach is simply frustrated they missed an opportunity to hit the gas
Malone is just fine. Comments like these and similar from the media only reflect an ignorance and lack of familiarity with Malone's coaching style. He has frequently pounded the team publicly (but never specific individuals) for being complacent/unfocused/lazy, which is well-known to be the Nuggets' Achilles heel.

And if you think what he said after game 2 was "desperate" (Lol), just do some research from earlier in the season and prior years.

From the first week of the season...

“We were embarrassing tonight,” head coach Michael Malone said after the Nuggets’ recent blowout 135-110 loss at the Portland Trail Blazers. “It was a poor effort after that first quarter, did not defend at all. We can’t guard one-on-one right now at all.”

“We gave up 60-plus points in the paint, we gave up 48 points off threes, we put them on the foul line 31 times, they had 20-plus in transition,” Malone lamented, checking off box after box on a fairly exhaustive list of defensive transgressions the Nuggets committed against Portland.

“We did zero defensively tonight.”
It only took 1 word to turn you inside out on the Nuggets, I wrote a lot of other words that were not in any way trying to make him sound like a bad coach.
But let's not aim all our frustration at MoP, there have been plenty in the media that have been outspoken about how he is coaching and unleashing thru the media despite the fact he apparently does it on a nightly basis according to you and many of the Denver Nuggets fans, have not heard a lot of national media that say this is par for the course for Malone but he definitely has folks speaking out and saying that Coach Mike does this a lot.

You do understand what you're defending and saying, right? It somewhat corners Malone and what happens if embarrassing his team in the media doesn't work, what's next? And not taking any responsibility for the loss, all on the players, just a new one for many NBA fans. I was speaking out that it sounded to me somewhat desperate. It might work out great for Denver, they are 1-seed trying to edge out an 8-Seed, even if they win the NBA title, they are humongous favs coming into the Series and I would argue if the Heat even win 2 games they are doing pretty well in this Finals Series short handed.

-Good luck in Game 3 Stone, nothing personal buddy, love your passion :thumbup:
Meh. It's impossible to respond to any of this since your knowledge base appears to be a single press conference and listening to a bunch of media talking heads. So maybe just stick to commenting on your own team since your hot takes on the Nuggets, their coach and their fans are clearly misinformed.
Again Stone, you focused on and dialed down on 1-word, I said it looks desperate...just My opinion. It also was echo'd a lot in the National Media, it's not just the MoPinion
You were quick to respond and say it happens all the time but when the national media that covers it, I assume they have heard many Coach MM pressers, they are the ones who pointed it out and while Coach Mike has perhaps gotten great production in the past from saying these things...I think it would have been a better move to accept at least some of the blame even if he lays into them into the locker room. If Miami pulls the unbelievable as an 8-seed, is Coach MM worried about his job security? We saw the Bucks fire their head coach, the 76ers said good bye to Doc, the Celtics are under pressure to make a change although it sounds like they are retaining Maz.

-Let's put it another way...if this proven tactic during the regular season does not work out in the post season...where does Malone go in Game 4 if the Big Favs don't storm the building in Game 3? What happens next is my real question...MM already threw the players under the bus, the coach is saying that the game plan won't change and this is the best he can come up with. (What happens behind the curtains and closed doors is another matter altogether)
I'm not bashing the coach, i'm just posting about what his actions have been thus far.
Let's talk about the Nuggets and Heat, I understand your passion and wanting to defend the head coach, well noted.

I still feel like the Heat are lucky to be here, it's all house money for them at this point. I felt like the Series would split 2-2 but I thought the Heat would win Game 1 or hoped they would. The opp was there for them but they failed to make wide open shots, many more of them went thru in Game 2. It does not appear as though Denver made a lot of changes but I have one heat stat for you and it's about Jimmy Butler

Butler guarded Murray in the Half Court just 3 times in Game 1
Butler guarded Murray in the Half Court 35 times in Game 2

That to me is a clear adjustment and something I am looking for from Malone, to this point it feels mostly like an over confident Head Coach that feels like the game plan he put in place is more than enough to win this Series, maybe Malone is right since Murray still was able to put up a game tying shot as time expired. Miami could easily be down 2-0 and I doubt we would be jawing back and forth right now.

Enjoy Game 3 Stone, don't let me get you rattled
Here's a fun video you might have not seen, JuJu Gotti from the LeBatard troop and this Jena Garcia who covers the Nuggets...oh my!


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what is the over under in games missed for Ja's suspension? Silver's wording was rather ominous I thought.
Yesterday I saw a report that Ja's camp is expecting 30 games. They're claiming that the gun in question was a toy.:doh:

If that is in fact their claim, and they make that claim to the NBA, the NBA should respond by doubling the proposed suspension since Ja obviously doesn't get the fact that it doesn't matter whether it was a toy or not.
Fully expect around a half season suspension with some wording that Ja Morant isn't guaranteed to be back, but with no further incidents would be.

The post-incident interviews and actions taken this season were clearly more cosmetic than anything and after this latest incident nobody is buying anything Ja or his people say. It's now about what he does (or, better yet, doesn't do) moving forward.

As an NBA fan, do I like what Ja has done? No. Do I feel he's represented the league, his team, or himself in a great light with all these incidents? Of course not. All that said, I'm a little uncomfortable with how many people seem fine with any sports league taking away a player's ability to earn a living due to things that are not illegal and/or haven't resulted in a conviction.

Maybe that's just a personal reaction to how the NFL has chosen to run their personal conduct policies and investigations under Roger Goodell. Where each one seems less transparent, full of more lies and other logical errors, and is generally just more insulting to anyone that spends a few minutes really thinking about what they continuously try to sell their fans. From deflategate, to the bounty scandle, and numerous owner transgressions over the years (and many, many, many, many more examples).

That doesn't mean this Ja Morant suspension with the NBA won't end up being the best thing for him, and the league, long-term. I'm just hesitant to bury a young man for making mistakes while everyone seemingly is climbing over the last talking head to tell us all how bad of a person he is or how idiotic he is, etc. Hopefully there's a middle ground where he can really learn from this, make changes, and strive again on and off the court. I just don't think some of the more draconian punishments make much sense, nor do I especially trust any sports league to find that correct balance where transparency and a strict process should be adhered to.
 
@Ministry of Pain You need to quit talking about the national media. They didn't watch the Nuggets until the Nuggets whooped up on the Lakers. Mark Jackson didn't even put Jokic on his MVP ballot. Lisa Salters admitted on national TV that she had never seen Jokic play live until these playoffs and was unaware how good he is. Just yesterday Stephen A Smith called Jokic a big tub of lard. These are prominent national media tasked with covering this series. They are NOT credible to evaluate this team.
 
All that said, I'm a little uncomfortable with how many people seem fine with any sports league taking away a player's ability to earn a living due to things that are not illegal and/or haven't resulted in a conviction.

People all the time lose their ability to earn money from their job when they have done something stupid that is not considered illegal and they still have been suspended or fired for it. Private businesses can put in any rules they like that their employees have to follow. Those rules have nothing to do with what the government considers legal or not.
 
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As an NBA fan, do I like what Ja has done? No. Do I feel he's represented the league, his team, or himself in a great light with all these incidents? Of course not. All that said, I'm a little uncomfortable with how many people seem fine with any sports league taking away a player's ability to earn a living due to things that are not illegal and/or haven't resulted in a conviction.
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No one is taking away his ability to earn a living. There are numerous basketball leagues in the world and I'm sure some others would offer him a job. If I did something my work thought represented them poorly I could just as easily be punished. In all likelihood that punishment would be termination and not just a suspension, especially if it were a second offense for the same transgression. So I'm not uncomfortable with the NBA's reaction to this at all. Ja is getting treated better than most of us would if we did the same things he has.
 
@Ministry of Pain You need to quit talking about the national media. They didn't watch the Nuggets until the Nuggets whooped up on the Lakers. Mark Jackson didn't even put Jokic on his MVP ballot. Lisa Salters admitted on national TV that she had never seen Jokic play live until these playoffs and was unaware how good he is. Just yesterday Stephen A Smith called Jokic a big tub of lard. These are prominent national media tasked with covering this series. They are NOT credible to evaluate this team.
Hi John, actually I think I have done an outstanding job utilizing what the national media is discussing on ESPN, TNT, NBATV, local beat writers and local media.
I even have a JuJu Gotti clip that I have pasted into this thread to lighten it up some.
I see very little from others to back up their opinions and the ammo thus far is to start ripping MoP/The Poster vs any of the actual substance.
So I grab clips from Youtube and the like, it's OK if others don't agree with me of course.

"These are prominent national media...They are NOT credible"
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
-I find this very funny and I agree with you in theory, however...

Anytime I want to give an opinion in the SP, if I don't have a direct link then I just get lambasted for having a strong opinion
So in the NBA thread, I opt to try and post different opinions based on the national narrative and I get roasted for that too.
This place lives in hypocrisy, just saying

An 8-seed has managed to crash the party after they were down to their 2nd play-in game and still only managed to win in the closing minutes.
They've knocked out a 1-seed and a 2-seed in their conference on the way to the Finals and managed to steal a game in Denver before opening at home.
Miami lost to the Dallas Mavericks in their first season with LeBron-DWade and Bosh, they had to swallow a very bitter pill, still the next season it took heroics in the ECF, down 3-2 to the Boston Celtics and I'm simply saying that for many teams, it takes a bitter loss. Perhaps Game 2 was more than enough for Denver?
 
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Listen to Malone's own words. To call out your own team for 2 dog games in a row at home and question their effort to open the NBA Finals...that would not be my approach.
It sounds desperate IMHO, I doubt Spo would take that open approach thru the media and IMO it shows a stark contrast in coaching styles.
I am not pounding down on Malone, he had to get thru the Western Conference and endless hype on the opposition, Denver was practically the underdog the whole way
And now they are big time favorites, huge leads in both games and yet it's 1-1 going back to Miami.
Maybe the huge leads do indicate how much better Denver is and the head coach is simply frustrated they missed an opportunity to hit the gas
Malone is just fine. Comments like these and similar from the media only reflect an ignorance and lack of familiarity with Malone's coaching style. He has frequently pounded the team publicly (but never specific individuals) for being complacent/unfocused/lazy, which is well-known to be the Nuggets' Achilles heel.

And if you think what he said after game 2 was "desperate" (Lol), just do some research from earlier in the season and prior years.

From the first week of the season...

“We were embarrassing tonight,” head coach Michael Malone said after the Nuggets’ recent blowout 135-110 loss at the Portland Trail Blazers. “It was a poor effort after that first quarter, did not defend at all. We can’t guard one-on-one right now at all.”

“We gave up 60-plus points in the paint, we gave up 48 points off threes, we put them on the foul line 31 times, they had 20-plus in transition,” Malone lamented, checking off box after box on a fairly exhaustive list of defensive transgressions the Nuggets committed against Portland.

“We did zero defensively tonight.”
It only took 1 word to turn you inside out on the Nuggets, I wrote a lot of other words that were not in any way trying to make him sound like a bad coach.
But let's not aim all our frustration at MoP, there have been plenty in the media that have been outspoken about how he is coaching and unleashing thru the media despite the fact he apparently does it on a nightly basis according to you and many of the Denver Nuggets fans, have not heard a lot of national media that say this is par for the course for Malone but he definitely has folks speaking out and saying that Coach Mike does this a lot.

You do understand what you're defending and saying, right? It somewhat corners Malone and what happens if embarrassing his team in the media doesn't work, what's next? And not taking any responsibility for the loss, all on the players, just a new one for many NBA fans. I was speaking out that it sounded to me somewhat desperate. It might work out great for Denver, they are 1-seed trying to edge out an 8-Seed, even if they win the NBA title, they are humongous favs coming into the Series and I would argue if the Heat even win 2 games they are doing pretty well in this Finals Series short handed.

-Good luck in Game 3 Stone, nothing personal buddy, love your passion :thumbup:
Meh. It's impossible to respond to any of this since your knowledge base appears to be a single press conference and listening to a bunch of media talking heads. So maybe just stick to commenting on your own team since your hot takes on the Nuggets, their coach and their fans are clearly misinformed.
Again Stone, you focused on and dialed down on 1-word, I said it looks desperate...just My opinion. It also was echo'd a lot in the National Media, it's not just the MoPinion
You were quick to respond and say it happens all the time but when the national media that covers it, I assume they have heard many Coach MM pressers, they are the ones who pointed it out and while Coach Mike has perhaps gotten great production in the past from saying these things...I think it would have been a better move to accept at least some of the blame even if he lays into them into the locker room. If Miami pulls the unbelievable as an 8-seed, is Coach MM worried about his job security? We saw the Bucks fire their head coach, the 76ers said good bye to Doc, the Celtics are under pressure to make a change although it sounds like they are retaining Maz.

-Let's put it another way...if this proven tactic during the regular season does not work out in the post season...where does Malone go in Game 4 if the Big Favs don't storm the building in Game 3? What happens next is my real question...MM already threw the players under the bus, the coach is saying that the game plan won't change and this is the best he can come up with. (What happens behind the curtains and closed doors is another matter altogether)
I'm not bashing the coach, i'm just posting about what his actions have been thus far.
Let's talk about the Nuggets and Heat, I understand your passion and wanting to defend the head coach, well noted.

I still feel like the Heat are lucky to be here, it's all house money for them at this point. I felt like the Series would split 2-2 but I thought the Heat would win Game 1 or hoped they would. The opp was there for them but they failed to make wide open shots, many more of them went thru in Game 2. It does not appear as though Denver made a lot of changes but I have one heat stat for you and it's about Jimmy Butler

Butler guarded Murray in the Half Court just 3 times in Game 1
Butler guarded Murray in the Half Court 35 times in Game 2

That to me is a clear adjustment and something I am looking for from Malone, to this point it feels mostly like an over confident Head Coach that feels like the game plan he put in place is more than enough to win this Series, maybe Malone is right since Murray still was able to put up a game tying shot as time expired. Miami could easily be down 2-0 and I doubt we would be jawing back and forth right now.

Enjoy Game 3 Stone, don't let me get you rattled
Here's a fun video you might have not seen, JuJu Gotti from the LeBatard troop and this Jena Garcia who covers the Nuggets...oh my!


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It's all good, MoP. I'm nowhere close to rattled.

Denver is a small market team. And as @John123 adroitly points out, the Finals is the very first time most of the national/international media has even seen Denver play live, much less actually listen to a MM presser.

So when the national media hears a trigger word like "effort," it goes viral and gets blown way out of proportion because they have zero context of how the man has communicated transparently with his team on a daily basis for eight years. To a person, each of the Nuggets players (Joker, Murray, AG, MPJ) have echoed the exact same sentiment as Malone in their own pressers, but used more PC words such as "energy and intensity," "discipline," "focus" and "miscommunication." Regardless, Malone is all about self-reflection, so I have no doubt he is aware of this and will self-correct and choose his words more carefully moving forward now that he sees the potential for distraction the media piranhas can create.

The Nuggets have reached the Finals for the first time in franchise history. Even in the remote scenario of a Heat gentlemen's sweep it is ludicrous to think Malone's job is in jeopardy.

As for the game from a Nuggets perspective, I'm not worried about offensive X's and O's at this point. The first priority is to get locked in and play with focus and intensity on the defensive end for a full 48 minutes. Every player on the team knows if they do that they simply will not lose.

Good luck to the Heat. The Miami story is incredible, and most in Denver have nothing but great respect for the Coach Spo and the players.
 
Ja is getting treated better than most of us would if we did the same things he has.
Almost all of us could wave a gun around on Instagram and our work would never know, so I disagree that he is getting treated better

This isn't really relevant. It's still a risk, and if they found out there would be consequences, likely much worse than Ja is facing. That's the risk one takes, including Ja. And Ja should know that anything he does is put under a microscope, especially after his incident in Denver.
 
Listen to Malone's own words. To call out your own team for 2 dog games in a row at home and question their effort to open the NBA Finals...that would not be my approach.
It sounds desperate IMHO, I doubt Spo would take that open approach thru the media and IMO it shows a stark contrast in coaching styles.
I am not pounding down on Malone, he had to get thru the Western Conference and endless hype on the opposition, Denver was practically the underdog the whole way
And now they are big time favorites, huge leads in both games and yet it's 1-1 going back to Miami.
Maybe the huge leads do indicate how much better Denver is and the head coach is simply frustrated they missed an opportunity to hit the gas
Malone is just fine. Comments like these and similar from the media only reflect an ignorance and lack of familiarity with Malone's coaching style. He has frequently pounded the team publicly (but never specific individuals) for being complacent/unfocused/lazy, which is well-known to be the Nuggets' Achilles heel.

And if you think what he said after game 2 was "desperate" (Lol), just do some research from earlier in the season and prior years.

From the first week of the season...

“We were embarrassing tonight,” head coach Michael Malone said after the Nuggets’ recent blowout 135-110 loss at the Portland Trail Blazers. “It was a poor effort after that first quarter, did not defend at all. We can’t guard one-on-one right now at all.”

“We gave up 60-plus points in the paint, we gave up 48 points off threes, we put them on the foul line 31 times, they had 20-plus in transition,” Malone lamented, checking off box after box on a fairly exhaustive list of defensive transgressions the Nuggets committed against Portland.

“We did zero defensively tonight.”
It only took 1 word to turn you inside out on the Nuggets, I wrote a lot of other words that were not in any way trying to make him sound like a bad coach.
But let's not aim all our frustration at MoP, there have been plenty in the media that have been outspoken about how he is coaching and unleashing thru the media despite the fact he apparently does it on a nightly basis according to you and many of the Denver Nuggets fans, have not heard a lot of national media that say this is par for the course for Malone but he definitely has folks speaking out and saying that Coach Mike does this a lot.

You do understand what you're defending and saying, right? It somewhat corners Malone and what happens if embarrassing his team in the media doesn't work, what's next? And not taking any responsibility for the loss, all on the players, just a new one for many NBA fans. I was speaking out that it sounded to me somewhat desperate. It might work out great for Denver, they are 1-seed trying to edge out an 8-Seed, even if they win the NBA title, they are humongous favs coming into the Series and I would argue if the Heat even win 2 games they are doing pretty well in this Finals Series short handed.

-Good luck in Game 3 Stone, nothing personal buddy, love your passion :thumbup:
Meh. It's impossible to respond to any of this since your knowledge base appears to be a single press conference and listening to a bunch of media talking heads. So maybe just stick to commenting on your own team since your hot takes on the Nuggets, their coach and their fans are clearly misinformed.
Again Stone, you focused on and dialed down on 1-word, I said it looks desperate...just My opinion. It also was echo'd a lot in the National Media, it's not just the MoPinion
You were quick to respond and say it happens all the time but when the national media that covers it, I assume they have heard many Coach MM pressers, they are the ones who pointed it out and while Coach Mike has perhaps gotten great production in the past from saying these things...I think it would have been a better move to accept at least some of the blame even if he lays into them into the locker room. If Miami pulls the unbelievable as an 8-seed, is Coach MM worried about his job security? We saw the Bucks fire their head coach, the 76ers said good bye to Doc, the Celtics are under pressure to make a change although it sounds like they are retaining Maz.

-Let's put it another way...if this proven tactic during the regular season does not work out in the post season...where does Malone go in Game 4 if the Big Favs don't storm the building in Game 3? What happens next is my real question...MM already threw the players under the bus, the coach is saying that the game plan won't change and this is the best he can come up with. (What happens behind the curtains and closed doors is another matter altogether)
I'm not bashing the coach, i'm just posting about what his actions have been thus far.
Let's talk about the Nuggets and Heat, I understand your passion and wanting to defend the head coach, well noted.

I still feel like the Heat are lucky to be here, it's all house money for them at this point. I felt like the Series would split 2-2 but I thought the Heat would win Game 1 or hoped they would. The opp was there for them but they failed to make wide open shots, many more of them went thru in Game 2. It does not appear as though Denver made a lot of changes but I have one heat stat for you and it's about Jimmy Butler

Butler guarded Murray in the Half Court just 3 times in Game 1
Butler guarded Murray in the Half Court 35 times in Game 2

That to me is a clear adjustment and something I am looking for from Malone, to this point it feels mostly like an over confident Head Coach that feels like the game plan he put in place is more than enough to win this Series, maybe Malone is right since Murray still was able to put up a game tying shot as time expired. Miami could easily be down 2-0 and I doubt we would be jawing back and forth right now.

Enjoy Game 3 Stone, don't let me get you rattled
Here's a fun video you might have not seen, JuJu Gotti from the LeBatard troop and this Jena Garcia who covers the Nuggets...oh my!


:thumbup:
It's all good, MoP. I'm nowhere close to rattled.

Denver is a small market team. And as @John123 adroitly points out, the Finals is the very first time most of the national/international media has even seen Denver play live, much less actually listen to a MM presser.

So when the national media hears a trigger word like "effort," it goes viral and gets blown way out of proportion because they have zero context of how the man has communicated transparently with his team on a daily basis for eight years. To a person, each of the Nuggets players (Joker, Murray, AG, MPJ) have echoed the exact same sentiment as Malone in their own pressers, but used more PC words such as "energy and intensity," "discipline," "focus" and "miscommunication." Regardless, Malone is all about self-reflection, so I have no doubt he is aware of this and will self-correct and choose his words more carefully moving forward now that he sees the potential for distraction the media piranhas can create.

The Nuggets have reached the Finals for the first time in franchise history. Even in the remote scenario of a Heat gentlemen's sweep it is ludicrous to think Malone's job is in jeopardy.

As for the game from a Nuggets perspective, I'm not worried about offensive X's and O's at this point. The first priority is to get locked in and play with focus and intensity on the defensive end for a full 48 minutes. Every player on the team knows if they do that they simply will not lose.

Good luck to the Heat. The Miami story is incredible, and most in Denver have nothing but great respect for the Coach Spo and the players.
Same here, I also want to make a few points for you and John that should lend some credence and validity to everything you are saying and so you know I'm not naive.

-First of all, most of the fans that will pack that arena tonight, most of them didn't have a clue about the Joker prior to this series, I'm sure he has their attention now. You don't have to believe me but the average Miami Heat fan is long asleep by the time TNT is running the 10:30 Western Conference game of the week. I highly doubt many of them gave the respect to the Denver Nuggets that they should.

-I didn't have a clue that Coach Mike was so openly aggressive towards his players in the media right after games, it shocked me and then I heard others in the media echo my thoughts so I thought I better point to it or share how it made me feel initially. I understand he has done this during the regular season but I think Playoff Basketball requires some new wrinkles. I understand why you are so passionate and feel this is part of the normal protocol in Denver. I would like to see some humility in this Coach and it would be interesting to hear what happens IF Denver loses 1 of the next 2 games.

-I think Game 3 is more of a must win for the Heat, mostly because they play Game 4 on Friday Night, less than 48 hours turnaround and I feel the schedule has worked well so far for them.
-The Heat benefitted from an extra day of rest before Games 1, 2 and again at home in Game 3. Game 4 is Fri Night with less than 48 hours turnaround. Miami feels like the team that needs the extra rest.
 
what is the over under in games missed for Ja's suspension? Silver's wording was rather ominous I thought.
Yesterday I saw a report that Ja's camp is expecting 30 games. They're claiming that the gun in question was a toy.:doh:

If that is in fact their claim, and they make that claim to the NBA, the NBA should respond by doubling the proposed suspension since Ja obviously doesn't get the fact that it doesn't matter whether it was a toy or not.
Fully expect around a half season suspension with some wording that Ja Morant isn't guaranteed to be back, but with no further incidents would be.

The post-incident interviews and actions taken this season were clearly more cosmetic than anything and after this latest incident nobody is buying anything Ja or his people say. It's now about what he does (or, better yet, doesn't do) moving forward.

As an NBA fan, do I like what Ja has done? No. Do I feel he's represented the league, his team, or himself in a great light with all these incidents? Of course not. All that said, I'm a little uncomfortable with how many people seem fine with any sports league taking away a player's ability to earn a living due to things that are not illegal and/or haven't resulted in a conviction.

Maybe that's just a personal reaction to how the NFL has chosen to run their personal conduct policies and investigations under Roger Goodell. Where each one seems less transparent, full of more lies and other logical errors, and is generally just more insulting to anyone that spends a few minutes really thinking about what they continuously try to sell their fans. From deflategate, to the bounty scandle, and numerous owner transgressions over the years (and many, many, many, many more examples).

That doesn't mean this Ja Morant suspension with the NBA won't end up being the best thing for him, and the league, long-term. I'm just hesitant to bury a young man for making mistakes while everyone seemingly is climbing over the last talking head to tell us all how bad of a person he is or how idiotic he is, etc. Hopefully there's a middle ground where he can really learn from this, make changes, and strive again on and off the court. I just don't think some of the more draconian punishments make much sense, nor do I especially trust any sports league to find that correct balance where transparency and a strict process should be adhered to.
How many professional athletes own a hand gun? I'm guessing it's a high number of people with the amount of money that most of them are worth.
I don't want youngsters to see Ja Morant waving a gun around, it's not a good look.

At the same time, Morant is just 23 yrs old last I looked and like many his age, perhaps he doesn't always act like a wise man in his Mid 50s. He doesn't have wisdom yet but the NBA could easily get him turned right and instead of just suspending him, get him rehabilitated if that's what you feel he needs.

Show him how much fun he can have firing his guns at a professional shooting range, educate him on the destructive nature of guns with people younger than he is and that idolize him. Maybe he doesn't quite grasp or understand how much influence he has on others, and maybe he doesn't really care at the moment but that is the job of Adam Silver. Don't just chastise this guy but make him an ally not an enemy.
 
what is the over under in games missed for Ja's suspension? Silver's wording was rather ominous I thought.
the way it feels like this works is every punishment has to be exponentially greater than the one before it.

i'm going full season with a possible lifetime ban. then the next NBA player seen flashing a gun on camera just gets executed by Silver on live tv.
does he use a gun for the execution or not take that to the bank bromigo
 
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