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2022 FBG, 172 to 1 Beatles Countdown 1-25 lists... And 173 to 1 Countdown from 1-64 lists! (1 Viewer)

Yesterday
2022 Ranking: 10
2022 Lists: 35
2022 Points: 577
Ranked Highest by: OH Dad (1) Son1 (1) @lardonastick (2) @fatguyinalittlecoat (2) Slug (2) @PIK95 (3) @Tom Hagen (3) @MAC_32 (3) @falguy (4) @Yankee23Fan (4) @AAABatteries (4) @Wrighteous Rayhub (4) @ekbeats (4) Daughter (5) @pecorino (5) 
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 15/16/225

Getz: Two #1 and One #24 votes from finishing #4. Twenty more votes and 352 more points than 2019, to gain five slots.
FIFTEEN Top FIVE votes. One three songs had more.
23 Top 10 votes.
Although it came close to finishing #4, it was really never close while counting the votes. It was ranked very well on 8 of the last 11 ballots that came in. 


Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  24

2019 write-up:

Yesterday (Help!, 1965)

I didn't purposefully rank "Helter Skelter" and "Yesterday" next to each other, but I like the way this turned out, showing the incredible diversity of the Beatles and in particular the breadth of Paul's songwriting talent.  As Yankee mentioned above, Paul somehow developed this reputation as the soft, "ballad" guy despite having written songs that in my opinion showed much wider range than the others, so he wanted to write the hardest rock song he could, specifically to out-rock The Who, and I think he accomplished that.

But we're not here to talk about "Helter Skelter"!  We've moved on!  Instead I'll discuss what is merely the most covered and most played song in history.  The song was innovative at the time for using a string quartet, redefining what "pop" or "rock" could be.  It was also the first solo song by a Beatle, since no others joined Paul on the recording.  Unlike when they were going their separate ways on, for instance, the White Album, this wasn't a sign of splintering of the group, but instead was confirmation of its strength and security.  It's not that Paul didn't want to include anyone else, but that when he played the song to the others, they liked it and couldn't come up with any way to improve upon it, suggesting to Paul that he should record it solo.  Paul recorded his vocal and guitar in only a couple of takes, thinking the song was done.  

Naturally, it was George Martin who then suggested adding the string quartet instead of finishing there, which Paul was initially skeptical of, believing that it wouldn't be proper for a rock group.  Martin convinced him to give it a try, assuring Paul they would just drop the string part if it didn't work.  They sat down together the next day at Martin's house to see if they could sketch it out.  Paul described this collaboration:  “We’d sit down and it would be quite straightforward because I’d have a good idea of how I wanted to voice it.  Or George would show me possibilities... There was just one point in it where I said, ‘Could the cello now play a slightly bluesy thing, out of the genre, out of keeping with the rest of the voicing?’  George said, ‘Bach certainly wouldn’t have done that, Paul.’  I said, ‘Great!’  I mean, obviously it was my song, my chords, my everything really, but because the voicing now had become Bach’s, I needed something of mine again to redress the balance.  So I put a 7th in, which was unheard of.  It’s what we used to call a blue note, and that became a little bit well known.  It’s one of the unusual things in that arrangement.”  (You can hear this "blue note" just after "she wouldn't say" in the second bridge.) 

The melody for "Yesterday" first came to Paul in a dream.  When he awoke, it seemed so familiar that Paul was afraid he had inadvertently copied an existing song, so he played it for a few friends who all confirmed they'd never heard it before.  The lyrics didn't come in the dream, though; as a placeholder, he initially sang the opening lines as "scrambled eggs, oh, my baby, how I love your legs."  I still sing the song aloud as "scrambled eggs" to amuse myself juvenilely.  

I love that this song is more subtle than many of the other Paul "love" songs.  I do appreciate how the song establishes itself immediately with the word "yesterday," followed by a 1/2 beat too long pause, to tell us that we're going to spend the rest of our time evoking loss.  We don't really know what happened - the song actually has few differing lyrics - but somehow it still kindles a compelling sense of loss without those descriptors.  The song also doesn't reach a resolution, as John pointed out in an interview as a possible flaw, but that doesn't make it incomplete.  So much of life remains unresolved that I think this sense of its being incomplete is what makes the song so universally understood and appreciated.  Who among us hasn't had a relationship end in an unsettled fashion?  I'd expect we all have experienced that feeling of an incomplete ending, for which we'll not ever get the answers we want.  

In terms of the music itself, of course I love Paul's simple but poignant delivery.  It's amazing that the guy who shredded in "Helter Skelter" can also capture such loneliness in a pure way, without being at all overwrought.  The string arrangement, again a breakthrough at the time, is my favorite of George Martin's arrangements, though some credit goes to Paul for this as well; in agreeing to the strings, he insisted that they remain pure and without any vibrato. The arrangement's perfection is in supplementing the song without intruding on it, always finding ways to bring us back onto the vocal; for instance, listen for how the viola(s) provide a low harmony beginning partway through the third verse.   And the melody...ohhhhh, uncomplicated as it might seem on the surface, there's so much going on, from the hopeful rise of the first line of each verse followed by the melancholic fall of the second...  The way the last line of the verse enhances the longing and despondency by the drop off, "yes-ter-da-a-a-ay"...  The descending bass notes as a counterpoint to Paul's vocal rise on "had to go"...  

This is a song that, now that I've written it out, I wish I had put higher.  Damn it.

Fun fact:  Before recording it himself, Paul offered the song to two singers, Billy J. Kramer and Chris Farlowe, who each rejected it.  Maybe a not-so-fun fact for those two guys.

Fun story:  Paul was especially (understandably) proud of this song, which sometimes drove the other Beatles crazy.  Paul claimed George once said, "Blimey, he's always talking about 'Yesterday'; you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody."  But it was John who was sometimes irritated and sometimes amused by always being congratulated for his work on a song that he had little or nothing to do with:  "I sat in a restaurant in Spain and the violinist insisted on playing 'Yesterday' right in my ear.  Then he asked me to sign the violin.  I didn't know what to say so I said 'OK,' and I signed it, and Yoko signed it.  One day he's going to find out Paul wrote it.  But I guess he couldn't have gone from table to table playing 'I Am The Walrus.'"

Mr. krista:  ""It's anti-nostalgia.  Not every break-up song can evoke regret like this.  It reminds me of my favorite genre of literature, which can be described as 'old man sits in chair and reckons with troubling past and then either dies or doesn't, whichever is most tragic.'  I usually don’t like the strings, but these seem in service of the song. I’d like to hear a naked version. I like hearing super-successful person in despair.  It’s such a special song.  When they’re just like everyone…regretting…"

Suggested cover:  Marvin Gaye

2022 Supplement:  In 2019, I said I wish I had ranked this higher, and indeed in 2022 I have vaulted it all the way…checks notes…one slot above where it was last time.  Baby steps.

Paul has described falling out of bed and finding this song in his consciousness as “like finding a £10 note on the street.”  I’d say it was more like finding a £1,000,000,000 note* on the street given how lucrative the song became, but who am I to quibble.  Paul worked on this so much during the filming of Help!, including composing the middle eight on set, that Richard Lester threatened to take the piano away if he heard the song again.  Paul’s ascribes some of Lester’s annoyance to the fact that it still had the “scrambled eggs” lyrics at the time.  During a break in the filming, Paul and Jane Asher went on holiday in Portugal, and in the back seat of the car during the three or so hours to their villa, Paul worked out the lyrics to the song,** going for something sad because he thought people liked sad songs.  Although for years Paul didn’t think this was about his mother, he now realizes that a lot of the lines might have subconsciously have been about that loss – “Why she had to go I don’t know, she wouldn’t say” or even the line about not being half the man he used to be, since he’d lost his mother half a life ago.  He identified this song that’s become more poignant for him as he’s grown older and has so many more “yesterdays” than he had as a 22-year-old.

Fun fact:  Paul worked with Delia Derbyshire possibly to make this into an electronic avant-garde thingie, but they eventually went back to the original arrangement instead.  Shades of McCartney II to come?

*Fun fact I just learned:  “The Bank of England £100,000,000 note, also referred to as Titan, is a non-circulating Bank of England banknote of the pound sterling used to back the value of Scottish and Northern Irish banknotes. It is the highest denomination of banknote printed by the Bank of England.”

**Writing or reading in any seat in a car, but particularly the back, would be insta-hurl for me.  You feeling me, simey and Pip’s wife?

Guido Merkins

Songwriting can very much be an activity that you sit down and do and sometimes the results can be very good.  Also, what can happen is sometimes a song can come to you without very much effort from the songwriter.

Paul McCartney wakes up one morning with the melody going around his head and he’s not sure what it is.  He goes to the piano and finds the chords and starts making up words “Scrambled eggs, oh baby how I love you legs….”  Paul goes around to the other Beatles and George Martin and everyone he knows and asks if they know this song.  None of them do.  So Paul starts to finish a song that came to him in a dream.  This song would only become the most recorded song in the history of music.  Not bad for a dream.

Yesterday is a song that sounds like it’s always existed.  I can see why Paul thought it might be a standard or something that he heard from his Dad because it sounds a bit like that.  In any event, when it came to the recording, George Martin and the other Beatles agreed that drums didn’t belong on it and none of them really thought they could add anything to Paul’s acoustic guitar, but Martin thought strings might be appropriate.  Paul didn’t want anything too extravagant that might verge on schmaltz, so Martin suggested a string quartet.  Paul thought it was a good idea.  Paul suggested that the last verse the quartet would go to this kind of sad, bluesy thing and Martin thought that sounded corny, but they tried it and it’s the best part of the song, IMO (around 2 minutes in).

Obviously a great song.  So why wasn’t it a single?  Well, Paul explained that they were a rock and roll band and didn’t think it was appropriate to be released as a single.  Also, it was just Paul on the record so Paul didn’t want that either.  So they just stuck it on the B side of the Help album.  Another case where the embarrassment of riches is on full display.
I love everything about Yesterday, the strings, the melody, Paul's vocals but mostly I love "Why she had to go I don't know she wouldn't say I said something wrong, now I long for yesterday".  Sometimes people grow apart and breakups are mutual and sometimes one person decides it isn't working and the other is left with what Paul conveys in this song.  A sense of longing to recapture what you lost, but also guilt and confusion trying to figure out what you did wrong to make the person you cared about so much stop wanting to be with you.  It's such a simple song but it captures that feeling perfectly. 

 
1 Eleanor Rigby (12)
2 And Your Bird Can Sing (31)
3 Two Of Us (41)
4
5 Taxman (22)
6 Get Back (26)
7 Ticket to Ride (16)
8
9 I've Just Seen a Face (14)
10 Don't Let Me Down (25)
11 Day Tripper (32)
12 Hey Bulldog (30)
13 Tomorrow Never Knows (17)
14 Drive My Car (62)
15 Come Together (20)
16 Happiness is a Warm Gun (39)
17 Strawberry Fields Forever (13)
18 Savoy Truffle (80)
19 I've Got A Feeling (46)
20 A Hard Day's Night (15)
21 Back in the USSR (40)
22 Penny Lane (24)
23
24 Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds (55)
25 Wait (117)
 

 
I love everything about Yesterday, the strings, the melody, Paul's vocals but mostly I love "Why she had to go I don't know she wouldn't say I said something wrong, now I long for yesterday".  Sometimes people grow apart and breakups are mutual and sometimes one person decides it isn't working and the other is left with what Paul conveys in this song.  A sense of longing to recapture what you lost, but also guilt and confusion trying to figure out what you did wrong to make the person you cared about so much stop wanting to be with you.  It's such a simple song but it captures that feeling perfectly. 


if I want to think of a "feeling and sad song" there are plenty - but this was probably my first one

 
Eleanor Rigby (From "Yellow Submarine")
2022 Ranking: 12
2022 Lists: 33
2022 Points: 497
Ranked Highest by: @heckmanm (1) Son2 (1) @Binky The Doormat (2) @Getzlaf15 (2) Daughter (2) @jamny (3) @Ilov80s (4) Rob (5) OH dad (6) @DocHolliday (7) @Wrighteous Ray hub (7) @MAC_32 (7) @AAABatteries (8) @Just Win Baby (8) @Shaft41 (9) @Ted Lange as your Bartender (9) @BobbyLayne (10) Slug (10)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 7/22/319


ause I’m not sure anybody would assume opera was fair game for a rock record, until Rigby.
There aren't a lot of songs in existence that I can say make me feel uncomfortable but this one does.   I can't listen to it, its an immediate turn the dial for me.  

 
Shea Stadium

First time I've found a YT with the entire concert.

3:48 - Twist and Shout
5:28 - I Feel Fine
8:00 - Dizzy Miss Lizzy
11:15 - Ticket To Ride
13:47 - Act Naturally
16:47 - Can’t Buy Me Love
19:23 - Baby’s In Black
22:03 - A Hard Day’s Night
25:05 - Help!
27:41 - I’m Down

 
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3 Yesterday (10)

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5

6 You've Got to Hide Your Love Away (19)

7 The Long and Winding Road (23)

8

9 Help! (11)

10 And Your Bird Can Sing (31)

11

12 I've Just Seen a Face (14)

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14

15 A Hard Day's Night (15)

16

17 If I Needed Someone (76)

18 All You Need is Love (54)

19 Don't Let Me Down (25)

20 Things We Said Today (37)

21 I Want To Hold Your Hand (21)

22 Revolution (36)

23 And I Love Her (45)

24 Hey Bulldog (30)

25 Eleanor Rigby (12)

 
pecorino said:
I go away for a weekend and miss lots of fireworks here. I'll echo Pip's sentiments about Tomorrow Never Knows, my #1. He said it all perfectly. I'll add a note. Sometimes I like to listen to a performer's entire catalog in order. Usually takes a few weeks as I don't listen to them exclusively. IIRC, Miles Davis took me over a year. Anyway, try a little experiment (I find the effect will be heightened if you abstain from listening to the band for several weeks first). Try listening to all of the Beatles albums in order. Theirs is easy to do in a couple of days. Tomorrow Never Knows is a clear turning point for the band and, since they're the greatest band in history, a clear turning point in popular music more broadly. It's under three minutes in length, but a complete game-changer. It's listenable  but experimental. It's trippy but somehow makes sense.

Have you dug into Michael Hedges, yet? I'm telling you, get on it. Tuning/Banter/Gospel/Tomorrow Never Knows
When I got the entire catalog on CD for my birthday when I was in college, I did indeed listen to the albums in chronological order. That did have an effect on how I feel about certain songs.

 
I'll never forget actually learning how to waltz in our Social Dancing class in college. I remember I was a crusty punk who hadn't seen a shower in a while, dancing with my Southern debutante girlfriend, quite the pair, waltzing along while the older gentleman that ran our class said "1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3."

Still love the waltzes. I've forgotten how. I wish the dances lived forever in time and memory. 

 
Getzlaf15 said:
25:05 - Help!


This could be the best version I've ever heard of this song. Paul and George on harmonies live is sublime. The energy is a perfect pick-me-up for the sadder and more introspective lyrics. 

And, on cue, everyone goes crazy upon its conclusion. 

 
My LIst

1    
2    
3    Get Back (26)
4    Yesterday (10)
5    
6    The Long And Winding Road (23)
7    Help! (11)
8    Can't Buy Me Love (49)
9    
10    Come Together (20)
11    
12    A Hard Day's Night (15)
13    
14    When I'm Sixty-Four (73)
15    Don't Let Me Down (25)
16    Paperback Writer (47)
17    I Saw Her Standing There (43)
18    Got To Get You Into My Life (27)
19    
20    I Want To Hold Your Hand (21)
21    Tell Me What You See (111)
22    
23    
24    I've Got A Feeling (46)
25    Eleanor Rigby (12)

 
5 of the last 10 songs have come from Help!    :thumbup:

Remaining songs: 

Please Please Me
    Misery
    Chains
    Ask Me Why
    Baby It's You
    A Taste Of Honey
    There's A Place
    
With the Beatles:
    Little Child
    Please Mister Postman
    Hold Me Tight
    I Wanna Be Your Man
    Devil In Her Heart
    
A Hard Day’s Night:
    When I Get Home
    
Beatles for Sale:
    Words Of Love
    Honey Don't
    Everybody's Trying To Be My Baby
    
Help!:
    Act Naturally
    
    
Rubber Soul:
    Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)
    In My Life
    
Revolver:
    Doctor Robert
    
Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band:
    A Day In The Life
    
Magical Mystery Tour:    
    
The Beatles (aka White Album):
    Wild Honey Pie
    While My Guitar Gently Weeps
    Piggies
    Sexy Sadie
    Revolution 1
    Honey Pie
    Good Night
    
Yellow Submarine:
    Only A Northern Song
    
Abbey Road:
    Something
    Here Comes The Sun
    Medley
    Her Majesty
    
Let It Be:
    Dig It
    Let It Be
    Maggie Mae
    One After 909
    
Singles
    Hey Jude
    I'll Get You
    Matchbox
    Slow Down
    The Inner Light
    Yes It Is

 
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fatguyinalittlecoat said:
One poster compared the Zeppelin thread to this one and said this one was "more fun."  I didn't think that was very fair to @Anarchy99 - he has put in a lot of work on that thread and is doing it alone and has provided a lot of great fun and entertainment.  I responded with the following:
That was me and it wasn't meant to be a dig at Anarchy at all. I just think the Beatles are more fun and there's a lot more sense of community and good natured ribbing and "inside" jokes here. People take Zeppelin a lot more seriously it seems (which is fine). I do think some people in there think way too highly of their own opinions - but that's message board life for you.

I did a Stones one and I am able to admit the Beatles thread was much more fun than mine - so it wasn't the insult to Anarchy that you kind of implied it was - and it was kind of unfair for you to turn it into that to be honest. It was just a throw away comment to show I got so into this thread I kind of forgot about that one.

ETA: In fact this paragraph was in the opening post:

This thread will not nearly be as good as krista’s thread for three reasons: 1. The Stones are not nearly as beloved or revered as the Beatles are; 2. Krista is a much better writer than I am; and 3. I am not married to Mr. krista so there will be no solicited input from him. Unsolicited input is welcomed though.

 
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Getzlaf15 said:
a certain amount of jiggery-pokery.”  I was just about to deem this a “Paul-ism” but googled and found that it is actually a real term!  Well will you look at that!
and so it is! who knew!  

might be difficult working this into everyday conversation but I'll hafta try

 
That was me and it wasn't meant to be a dig at Anarchy at all. I just think the Beatles are more fun and there's a lot more sense of community and good natured ribbing and "inside" jokes here. People take Zeppelin a lot more seriously it seems (which is fine). I do think some people in there think way too highly of their own opinions in there - but that's message board life for you.

I did a Stones one and I am able to admit the Beatles thread was much more fun than mine - so it wasn't the insult to Anarchy that you kind of implied it was. It was just a throw away comment to show I got so into this thread I kind of forgot about that one.
Well they are just a Blues cover band.   :D

 
2022 Supplement

Dear Prudence,

You fell just shy of my top 25 in 2022 after a surprise appearance at #18 in 2019.  It’s not you; it’s me.  I still value your contributions, but other songs have really stepped up their game in the ensuing years, some even going so far as to have three-part documentaries made about them.  Ultimately it’s that kind of initiative and determination that I’m looking for in a song.  Hope to see you again in 2025.

Warmest regards,

k4


Getzlaf15 said:
Eleanor Rigby (From "Yellow Submarine")

2022 Supplement:  So only a “crazy person” would visit the Eleanor Rigby tombstone?  Obviously.  [Scribbles out entries in July 2022 itinerary.]
I don't comment on the write-ups often but these are gold! Gold Jerry!

:lmao:

 
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This could be the best version I've ever heard of this song. Paul and George on harmonies live is sublime. The energy is a perfect pick-me-up for the sadder and more introspective lyrics. 

And, on cue, everyone goes crazy upon its conclusion. 
Help! was number 9 on my list.    It’s a great rock song bursting with energy.   The Beatles can do it all and do it well.   Songs like this make me chuckle when I hear that the Beatles are driven by vocals and the Stones are a guitar band. It’s another Beatles song that I had to learn on guitar.   

 
Getzlaf15 said:
Help! [Blackpool Night Out, ABC Theatre, Blackpool, United Kingdom]
2022 Ranking: 11
2022 Lists: 40
2022 Points: 511
Ranked Highest by: @Getzlaf15 (3) @whoknew (4) Doug (4) @AAABatteries (5) @Uruk-Hai (7) @falguy (7) @Ilov80s (7) @Murph (8) @Yankee23Fan (8) @fatguyinalittlecoat (8) @Westerberg (8) @Tom Hagen (9) @DocHolliday (9) @ekbeats (9) @John Maddens Lunchbox (10) @krista4 (10) @Just Win Baby (10)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 10/21/272

 
My #7.  As K4 said the counter melodies make this song. Without them it's a pretty average Beatles song. I suppose the same could be said for many/most songs. A key aspect is there and without it you don't have much.  Strings in Eleanor Rigby. Drum fills in many songs, Come together and A Day In The LIfe come to mind. etc.  

 
Doing some prep for the next song, I went back to some old, saved versions of my google spreadsheet....

Jan 21 - 25 lists in - Hey Bulldog was #11.   10/156
Jan 25 - 35 lists in - Hey Bulldog was #16
Feb 9 - 59 lists in - Hey Bulldog was #28.  - 16/198

So 10 votes in first 25 cast, then 6 in next 34.  :kicksrock:

 
Norwegian Wood
2022 Ranking: 9
2022 Lists: 37
2022 Points: 597
Ranked Highest by: @whoknew (2) Craig (2) @Gr00vus (3) @Dennis Castro (3) @Man of Constant Sorrow (4) @wikkidpissah (4) @pecorino (4) @Dr. Octopus (5) @worrierking (6) @John Maddens Lunchbox (6) Worth (6) @Ilov80s (6) @AAABatteries (7) @Ted Lange as your Bartender (7)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 6/25/332

Getz: Just 31 points from 4th place! That’s one first place vote and one 19th vote away from finishing in 4th place (628 pts). Or two 10th place votes. 20 votes from the #6-11 slots.

This song got off to an incredible start while tabulating the ballots.

Jan 21 - 25 votes in - had 17 votes/293 points. FIVE points from being in 1st place. 68% of all ballots at that time. It was a clear three horse race at that moment.

Jan 25 - 35 votes in - 22 votes/357 points. 4th place at this time, but all four songs are so close, that every list that comes in changes the #1-4 order, and each of the four songs is in the #1 spot a few times after each new list changes the order. At this point, I was thinking #1 was a possibility.

Feb 9 - 59 votes in - 34 votes/544 points. 12 votes in the last 24 and still holding down 4th quite well.

Feb 13 - 71 votes in(final) - 37 votes/598 points. Only three of the final 12 vote for it. (a 7th, 8th, and 9th) In those final 12 ballots, it slowly fades all the way to 9th.

Krista4

My 2019 ranking:  7

2019 write-up:

Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) (Rubber Soul, 1965)

It’s my favorite song about an affair and my favorite song featuring arson, but only my second favorite Beatles song with “bird” in the title!  

This song hooks me immediately with that opening lyric, one of my top Beatles lyrics: “I once had a girl or should I say she once had me.”  Though John later acknowledged the song was about an affair, he claimed not to remember its being about any specific woman; he also stated that he had no idea where the title of the song came from.  Given that this was written in John’s self-described “Dylan phase,” it’s not surprising that the lyrics are more abstract and ambiguous in a Dylan fashion. John also made the lyrics purposefully cryptic so as not to upset his wife about the subject matter.  As a result, though, Beatles fans have spent 50+ years debating the meanings of each line, including the “I lit a fire” line, which some people believed referred to starting a fire in a fireplace or lighting up a joint.  But Paul has confirmed instead that it indeed meant the protagonist burned everything to the ground as an act of revenge. 

Musically this song is most notable for George’s sitar work, the first time a Beatle played a sitar on one of their songs.  Inspired by a Ravi Shankar record, George had bought a poor-quality sitar from a local shop and started messing around with it.  When they’d finished the backing track for this song, the guys thought it still needed something, so George pulled it out.  It’s hard to imagine now how a sound so crucial to this song was basically an afterthought.  And as with so many other groundbreaking ideas from the band, once the Beatles did it, everyone else did, too.

This is a song I love not for any one element but overall atmosphere and mood.  While it’s all beautiful – this is one of my favorite melody lines, and the harmonies switched to a minor key on the bridge are gorgeous – it’s also feels furtive and slightly off balance.  The waltz time ( @rockaction alert!) would suggest a more straightforward narrative, but instead the lyrics make the song’s ambience allusive.  On top of that impressionistic atmosphere are placed unusual elements such as the sitar, adding to the uncertainty.  It’s extraordinarily mature and complex songwriting for such an early time in their careers, and the musical presentation of the ideas is perfectly.

Mr. krista:  "Clearly an amazing song.  Hardly any English language did that.  It’s no wonder Haruki Murakami wrote a whole novel about it.  For such a song that was his straightest, least weird novel.  Everything works in accord with one another.  You couldn’t pull one aspect out and have it still remain.  It all seems necessary."

Suggested cover:  Lots of jazz artists have covered this one, which makes sense.  I like this Kurt Elling version.

2022 Supplement:  That title?  Well, John never said what it was all about, though as mentioned above the song was about an affair, but Paul has given an explanation:  “So it was a little parody really on those kinds of girls who, when you’d go to their flat, there would be a lot of Norwegian wood. It was pine really, cheap pine. But it’s not as good a title, ‘Cheap Pine,’ baby. It was completely imaginary from my point of view, but in John’s it was based on an affair he had. This wasn’t the decor of someone’s house, we made that up. So she makes him sleep in the bath and then finally in the last verse I had this idea to set the Norwegian wood on fire as revenge, so we did it very tongue in cheek.”  The subject of the affair in question is thought to be either Sonny Freeman or Maureen Cleave.

Since the time of my last write-up, I learned that, when Ravi Shankar heard this first use of sitar on a Beatles record, he was wholly unimpressed, comparing it to “an Indian villager trying to play the violin when you know what it should sound like.”  George admitted he had just been learning at the time, and of course his sitar work grew and improved immensely throughout his career, including by learning from and collaborating with Shankar.  I still dig it in this song, since I don’t know much better.

Take one of this song was released in the Anthology series and sounds pretty darn good, though the sitar way up in the mix is too much for me:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuJZYI5qomk

Guido Merkins

It is no secret that all of the Beatles, but especially John Lennon, were fans of Bob Dylan.  John started channeling Dylan as far back as I’m A Loser on 1964’s Beatles For Sale album.  Dylan was a primary influence on John beginning to write more autobiographically.

So in 1965 John wrote a song called Norwegian Wood which is about an affair he is having.  But he writes the song in kind of a hazy style to obscure the fact that he is cheating on his wife.  The song is just a standard Dylan type song, but it needs something.  So George Harrison, who had discovered Indian music, decided to try a sitar on the song.  So he finds the notes he’s looking for and they add it to the song and what results is a first.  The first time a sitar is played on a rock record.  Now this is in dispute a bit because other groups used Indian sounds on a record, like the Kinks and Yardbirds both using sitar-like sounds, but not actual sitars.  So Norwegian Wood is the first to use an actual sitar, but others used Indian music before the Beatles.

In any event, the sitar changes the record from just a standard acoustic song to something slightly exotic and strange.  My favorite parts are the sitar, obviously, and the lead and harmony vocals.  Also I love the ambiguity of the lyrics, What is Norwegian Wood, exactly and what does it have to do with the song.  The parenthetical title This Bird Has Flown is said in the final verse, so that makes some sense.  Bird being British slang for woman.  But John loved to play around with words and I’ve heard it suggested that he was, in his own jumbled up way, saying “Knowing she would.”  But that’s just speculation and as far as I know, nobody ever asked John.  Also, when he “lit a fire”, was he relaxing by her fireplace, or did he decide to burn down her house because she left him hanging?  Once again, nobody ever asked John that I am aware.

Final note, there is an outstanding version of Norwegian Wood on Anthology 2 that is, to my ears, every bit as good, if not better than the version on Rubber Soul.  It’s in a different key and features the sitar more prominently.  Why they decided to re-record it, I’ll never know.

 
Guess The Final Order Of The Top 15 Contest (after song #9)

Tom Hagen-11

fatguyinalittlecoat-9

Shaft41-9

Binky The Doormat-8

Heckmanm-7

falguy-7

Murph-6

landrys hat-6

lardonastick-6

Pip's Invitation-5

ekbeats-5

Simey-5

BobbyLayne-4

5 = exact guess, 3 = one off either way, 1 = guess made Top 15

 

Norwegian Wood

Tom Hagen-5

falguy-5

Shaft41-1

fatguyinalittlecoat-1

ekbeats-1

Simey-1

Binky The Doormat-1

lardonastick-1

BobbyLayne-1

landrys hat-1

Murph-

Heckmanm-

Pip's Invitation-

 
These six have all eight songs left to be posted:

 

66 --Dinsy Ejotuz---17

67 --Just Win Baby---17

68 --falguy---17

69 --Ilov80s---17

70 --Tom Hagen---17

71 --pecorino---17

 
1.      

2.      Two Of Us (41)

3.      

4.      If I Needed Someone (76)

5.      Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) (9)

6.      I've Got A Feeling (46) 

7.      Got To Get You Into My Life (27)

8.      Hey Bulldog (30)

9.      Oh! Darling (59)

10.   

11.   She Loves You (38)

12.  

13.   I've Just Seen A Face (14)

14.   

15.   Tomorrow Never Knows (17)

16.   Across The Universe (18)

17.   Don't Let Me Down (25)

18.   We Can Work It Out (29)

19.   Rain (42)

20.   I Want To Hold Your Hand (21)

21.   Eleanor Rigby (12)

22.   With A Little Help From My Friends (44)

23.   She's Leaving Home (63)

24.   

25.   I Want You (She's So Heavy) (60)

 
Take one of this song was released in the Anthology series and sounds pretty darn good, though the sitar way up in the mix is too much for me:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuJZYI5qomk
 

Final note, there is an outstanding version of Norwegian Wood on Anthology 2 that is, to my ears, every bit as good, if not better than the version on Rubber Soul.  It’s in a different key and features the sitar more prominently.  Why they decided to re-record it, I’ll never know.
@krista4

We both like that version, but you think the sitar is too far up in the mix....and that's precisely why I like it.

That's why it's fun to have both of our perspectives.....Not the first time, but this one struck me, for some reason

 
The Chalky 6?
At this point, I have no clue on the Chalk race with all the songs in it..

Each of those will get 1,348 more chalk points.  (165+166+167..... +172)

It's impossible to figure out right now with 40 votes each song and all those points.

Those six should do very well in the Top 25 ChalkyChalk standings.

 
At this point, I have no clue on the Chalk race with all the songs in it..

Each of those will get 1,348 more chalk points.  (165+166+167..... +172)

It's impossible to figure out right now with 40 votes each song and all those points.

Those six should do very well in the Top 25 ChalkyChalk standings.
I didn't want to say Fab 6 due to copyright infringements.  

 
Norwegian Wood
2022 Ranking: 9
2022 Lists: 37
2022 Points: 597
Ranked Highest by: @whoknew (2) Craig (2) @Gr00vus (3) @Dennis Castro (3) @Man of Constant Sorrow (4) @wikkidpissah (4) @pecorino (4) @Dr. Octopus (5) @worrierking (6) @John Maddens Lunchbox (6) Worth (6) @Ilov80s (6) @AAABatteries (7) @Ted Lange as your Bartender (7)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 6/25/332


i've heard the smell and fog of pot smoke equated to a Norwegian wood.

it will always signify an important mood to me - sitting on the floor with women, digging the sounds, the smoke, the conviviality.....the vibe, prepared to communicate as equals (even tho the motive might be more insidious). we listened to a LOT of records this way, for several years after, for no really good reason but to be together, see eye-to-eye, on a thing. this is the mood which created, and was eventually destroyed by, Carole King's Tapestry.

 
I ranked this song as my #9 favorite. I love the satir in it. I think the song has a folkish feel to it, and the story has a nice melody backing it. The singing, as usual, is great. I remember this being my favorite Beatles song for a couple years in college. 

What Norwegian Wood means in the song is up for debate, but I do know a lot of houses such as the paneling, hardwood floors, and furniture in England were made of Norwegian Wood. Scandinavian style houses are still built around there.

 
Norwegian Wood
2022 Ranking: 9
2022 Lists: 37
2022 Points: 597
Ranked Highest by: @whoknew (2) Craig (2) @Gr00vus (3) @Dennis Castro (3) @Man of Constant Sorrow (4) @wikkidpissah (4) @pecorino (4) @Dr. Octopus (5) @worrierking (6) @John Maddens Lunchbox (6) Worth (6) @Ilov80s (6) @AAABatteries (7) @Ted Lange as your Bartender (7)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 6/25/332

Getz: Just 31 points from 4th place! That’s one first place vote and one 19th vote away from finishing in 4th place (628 pts). Or two 10th place votes. 20 votes from the #6-11 slots.

This song got off to an incredible start while tabulating the ballots.

Jan 21 - 25 votes in - had 17 votes/293 points. FIVE points from being in 1st place. 68% of all ballots at that time. It was a clear three horse race at that moment.

Jan 25 - 35 votes in - 22 votes/357 points. 4th place at this time, but all four songs are so close, that every list that comes in changes the #1-4 order, and each of the four songs is in the #1 spot a few times after each new list changes the order. At this point, I was thinking #1 was a possibility.

Feb 9 - 59 votes in - 34 votes/544 points. 12 votes in the last 24 and still holding down 4th quite well.

Feb 13 - 71 votes in(final) - 37 votes/598 points. Only three of the final 12 vote for it. (a 7th, 8th, and 9th) In those final 12 ballots, it slowly fades all the way to 9th.

Krista4

My 2019 ranking:  7

2019 write-up:

Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) (Rubber Soul, 1965)

It’s my favorite song about an affair and my favorite song featuring arson, but only my second favorite Beatles song with “bird” in the title!  

This song hooks me immediately with that opening lyric, one of my top Beatles lyrics: “I once had a girl or should I say she once had me.”  Though John later acknowledged the song was about an affair, he claimed not to remember its being about any specific woman; he also stated that he had no idea where the title of the song came from.  Given that this was written in John’s self-described “Dylan phase,” it’s not surprising that the lyrics are more abstract and ambiguous in a Dylan fashion. John also made the lyrics purposefully cryptic so as not to upset his wife about the subject matter.  As a result, though, Beatles fans have spent 50+ years debating the meanings of each line, including the “I lit a fire” line, which some people believed referred to starting a fire in a fireplace or lighting up a joint.  But Paul has confirmed instead that it indeed meant the protagonist burned everything to the ground as an act of revenge. 

Musically this song is most notable for George’s sitar work, the first time a Beatle played a sitar on one of their songs.  Inspired by a Ravi Shankar record, George had bought a poor-quality sitar from a local shop and started messing around with it.  When they’d finished the backing track for this song, the guys thought it still needed something, so George pulled it out.  It’s hard to imagine now how a sound so crucial to this song was basically an afterthought.  And as with so many other groundbreaking ideas from the band, once the Beatles did it, everyone else did, too.

This is a song I love not for any one element but overall atmosphere and mood.  While it’s all beautiful – this is one of my favorite melody lines, and the harmonies switched to a minor key on the bridge are gorgeous – it’s also feels furtive and slightly off balance.  The waltz time ( @rockaction alert!) would suggest a more straightforward narrative, but instead the lyrics make the song’s ambience allusive.  On top of that impressionistic atmosphere are placed unusual elements such as the sitar, adding to the uncertainty.  It’s extraordinarily mature and complex songwriting for such an early time in their careers, and the musical presentation of the ideas is perfectly.

Mr. krista:  "Clearly an amazing song.  Hardly any English language did that.  It’s no wonder Haruki Murakami wrote a whole novel about it.  For such a song that was his straightest, least weird novel.  Everything works in accord with one another.  You couldn’t pull one aspect out and have it still remain.  It all seems necessary."

Suggested cover:  Lots of jazz artists have covered this one, which makes sense.  I like this Kurt Elling version.

2022 Supplement:  That title?  Well, John never said what it was all about, though as mentioned above the song was about an affair, but Paul has given an explanation:  “So it was a little parody really on those kinds of girls who, when you’d go to their flat, there would be a lot of Norwegian wood. It was pine really, cheap pine. But it’s not as good a title, ‘Cheap Pine,’ baby. It was completely imaginary from my point of view, but in John’s it was based on an affair he had. This wasn’t the decor of someone’s house, we made that up. So she makes him sleep in the bath and then finally in the last verse I had this idea to set the Norwegian wood on fire as revenge, so we did it very tongue in cheek.”  The subject of the affair in question is thought to be either Sonny Freeman or Maureen Cleave.

Since the time of my last write-up, I learned that, when Ravi Shankar heard this first use of sitar on a Beatles record, he was wholly unimpressed, comparing it to “an Indian villager trying to play the violin when you know what it should sound like.”  George admitted he had just been learning at the time, and of course his sitar work grew and improved immensely throughout his career, including by learning from and collaborating with Shankar.  I still dig it in this song, since I don’t know much better.

Take one of this song was released in the Anthology series and sounds pretty darn good, though the sitar way up in the mix is too much for me:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuJZYI5qomk

Guido Merkins

It is no secret that all of the Beatles, but especially John Lennon, were fans of Bob Dylan.  John started channeling Dylan as far back as I’m A Loser on 1964’s Beatles For Sale album.  Dylan was a primary influence on John beginning to write more autobiographically.

So in 1965 John wrote a song called Norwegian Wood which is about an affair he is having.  But he writes the song in kind of a hazy style to obscure the fact that he is cheating on his wife.  The song is just a standard Dylan type song, but it needs something.  So George Harrison, who had discovered Indian music, decided to try a sitar on the song.  So he finds the notes he’s looking for and they add it to the song and what results is a first.  The first time a sitar is played on a rock record.  Now this is in dispute a bit because other groups used Indian sounds on a record, like the Kinks and Yardbirds both using sitar-like sounds, but not actual sitars.  So Norwegian Wood is the first to use an actual sitar, but others used Indian music before the Beatles.

In any event, the sitar changes the record from just a standard acoustic song to something slightly exotic and strange.  My favorite parts are the sitar, obviously, and the lead and harmony vocals.  Also I love the ambiguity of the lyrics, What is Norwegian Wood, exactly and what does it have to do with the song.  The parenthetical title This Bird Has Flown is said in the final verse, so that makes some sense.  Bird being British slang for woman.  But John loved to play around with words and I’ve heard it suggested that he was, in his own jumbled up way, saying “Knowing she would.”  But that’s just speculation and as far as I know, nobody ever asked John.  Also, when he “lit a fire”, was he relaxing by her fireplace, or did he decide to burn down her house because she left him hanging?  Once again, nobody ever asked John that I am aware.

Final note, there is an outstanding version of Norwegian Wood on Anthology 2 that is, to my ears, every bit as good, if not better than the version on Rubber Soul.  It’s in a different key and features the sitar more prominently.  Why they decided to re-record it, I’ll never know.
My #11.  I'm a little hit or miss with George's Indian influenced choices but the Sitar is so perfect for this song. 

 
I'm waiting for my Chalky McChalkerson alias to be approved.
If you really made one, you might be waiting a bit. I tried to make a new name for k4's mom when she was having a hard time being approved via registering, and mine wasn't being approved either. I asked joe about it, and he looked into it since he isn't the one in charge of approving people, and it turns out mine was being held up due to my IP being basically flagged, because a name under that IP already exist (me). They were going to have to look into seeing if I was creating an alias from being suspended. That's what I was told. They ended up approving it.  Anyway, if Wrighteous Ray 2.0 every gets suspended for being a bad girl, I have an alias for her. 

 
Let It Be
2022 Ranking: 8
2022 Lists: 40
2022 Points: 598
Ranked Highest by: @Yankee23Fan (1) Daughter (1) @falguy (2) @Dinsy Ejotuz (2) @Wrighteous Ray (2) @prosopis (3) @Murph (4) Holly (4) @MAC_32 (4) @ekbeats (5) @Just Win Baby (5) @BobbyLayne (6) @Shaft41 (7) Son2 (7)
2019 Ranking/Lists/Pts: 8/20/306

Getz:  Beat (binky massaged) the “Wood” out by one point for 8th.  Only RingoBingoTN on my list. I had it at #5 in 2009.
Double the votes and almost double the points from 2019, yet stayed #8 again.


Krista4
My 2019 ranking:  38


2019 write-up:

Let It Be (Let It Be, 1970)

There's nothing I need to say about what I love about this song, since pretty much every other human loves it, and many musicians have described it as a perfect song.  It's such a beautiful vocal; one of my favorites from Paul.  The build on the chorus is gorgeous and compelling; I love how a new texture is added with each repeat.  The backstory is sweet, with Paul having written it during the White Album sessions when his mother came to him in a dream to let him know that things would be all right even though they were ####ty at the time:  "One night during this tense time I had a dream I saw my mum, who'd been dead 10 years or so. And it was so great to see her because that's a wonderful thing about dreams: you actually are reunited with that person for a second...  In the dream she said, 'It'll be all right.' ... I felt very blessed to have that dream. So that got me writing the song 'Let It Be.' I literally started off 'Mother Mary', which was her name, 'When I find myself in times of trouble', which I certainly found myself in."

The reason it's not as high for me as it is for most people is that the lyrics don’t do it for me like they do for others.  As someone who's not religious or spiritual, I don't connect with the lyrics on that level, nor do I feel the encouragement or self-help notions from them that Paul was expressing.  The words "let it be" don't do anything for me.  As a result, while I think it's a beautiful song, it doesn't grab me or move me at all.  Another downside to the song for me is the guitar solo, which sounds cheesy to me and doesn't compare favorably to the guitar parts in other Beatles songs.  Finally, it's a tiny quibble but I dislike the way Paul swallows the "l" about half the times he says "Let it be," after the "speaking words of wisdom" or "whisper words of wisdom" parts (two turns of phrase that I do like, though).  " 'et it be."  Hurts my ears.

That last paragraph makes it seem like I don't enjoy the song; obviously I do for it to rank this highly.  I simply don't enjoy it as much as others, since I fully expect it to be in the top five of the consensus.   

Mr. krista:  "[After playing him the naked version]  I like guitar solo a lot in that version. It was more kind of mrar-mrar, a little more rocking.  It just doesn’t do it for me the way it does most of humanity.  It’s just a fantasy, like if you just wait an answer will come. Mother Mary doesn’t whisper things to do.  People search for answers.  Whisper words – such a lame line.  I’m sure it meant something to Paul McCartney."

Suggested cover:  Does it matter?  Does anything really matter anymore now that I've gone and done this?  

2022 Supplement:  One of the rare instances where hearing a song in the Get Back documentary didn’t vault it into my top 25, but still I gained a renewed appreciation for this song hearing Paul tinkering with it seemingly unnoticed in the background, and then John singing his own version:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2F1p5id8w8  Damn, what a ####### song.

Paul has said that Sting told him this song wasn’t appropriate for Live Aid because it implied inaction when action was required.  Paul said that, to the contrary, this song is not complacent but “about having a sense of the complete picture, about…the global view.”  Paul recalls that the song was written in a time of stress, as the band was heading toward a breakup, and it was taking its toll on all of them.  But being “northern lads,” they just bottled it up and let it go.  “Grin and bear it,” they said.   Then he had a dream about his mother, saw her “beautiful, kind face,” and “immediately felt at ease, loved and protected.”  Just her visage in a dream brought him to a peaceful and comforting place, brought his spirits up, as she told him that would everything would be all right, and he could “let it be.”

:cry:

As to the religious overtones, Paul understands them, but as someone who is not religious in any conventional sense, they aren’t intended.  He does, however, believe is some sort of helpful higher force, and acknowledges that “this song becomes a prayer, or mini-prayer.  There’s a yearning somewhere at its heart.  And the word ‘amen’ itself means ‘so be it’ – or ‘let it be’.”

Guido Merkins

On the Let It Be album John announces, “now we’d like to do Hark The Angels come…” before Paul starts singing the hymn like Let It Be.

People hear the words “Mother Mary” and they assume Paul is talking about the Blessed Mother, but in reality, Paul is talking about his own mother, whose name was Mary and who had died when Paul was 14.  He had a dream one night where his mother appeared to him and told him to “let it be.”  The gradual disintegration of the Beatles was weighing heavy on Paul, who was always, IMO, the Beatles biggest advocate.  It is well established that John and George were losing interest after the touring stopped for various reasons.  By 1968 and the sessions for The Beatles album, tension was at its height.  Around this time, based on the dream Paul had, he wrote Let It Be.  Paul found his mother’s message to be very comforting and so this song was very personal to Paul.

Let It Be has a very similar chord progression to Pachabel’s Canon.  Lots of songs do, actually.  Look up “Pachelbel Rant” on youtube for a funny demonstration of this phenomenon.  Let It Be is a classic piano ballad that seem to flow out of McCartney effortlessly (Hey Jude, Maybe I’m Amazed, Back Seat of My Car, My Love, etc).  There are a few different versions of this song out there.  The main difference between them is the guitar solo.  Let It Be, single, and Let It Be Naked all have different versions.  I’m not the biggest fan of the strings and such by Phil Spector on the Let It Be album, but it’s still my favorite version because of the smoking guitar solo by George.  Comparatively speaking, the other two’s solos are rather boring.  If I could put together my dream version, it would be the single version with the solo from the album.   

 
I'll never forget actually learning how to waltz in our Social Dancing class in college. I remember I was a crusty punk who hadn't seen a shower in a while, dancing with my Southern debutante girlfriend, quite the pair, waltzing along while the older gentleman that ran our class said "1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3."

Still love the waltzes. I've forgotten how. I wish the dances lived forever in time and memory. 
What a great story Rock.  Brought a smile to my face on a hectic Monday afternoon.

 
Fab 6 become Fab 9.

These nine have all seven songs left.

 

63 --Alex P Keaton---18

64 --Gr00vus---18

65 --turnjose7---18

66 --Dinsy Ejotuz---18

67 --Just Win Baby---18

68 --falguy---18

69 --Ilov80s---18

70 --Tom Hagen---18

71 --pecorino---18

 
Guess The Final Order Of The Top 15 Contest (after song 😎

Tom Hagen-14

Shaft41-12

fatguyinalittlecoat-10

falguy-10

Binky The Doormat-9

Heckmanm-8

ekbeats-8

lardonastick-7

Murph-6

landrys hat-6

Pip's Invitation-6

Simey-6

BobbyLayne-5

5 = exact guess, 3 = one off either way, 1 = guess made Top 15

 

Let It Be

Tom Hagen-3

falguy-3

Shaft41-3

ekbeats-3

fatguyinalittlecoat-1

Simey-1

Binky The Doormat-1

lardonastick-1

BobbyLayne-1

Heckmanm-1

Pip's Invitation-1

landrys hat-

Murph-

 
We have seven songs left. A few people have all 7 - but that means they have 7 songs left from their Top 25.

Of the six songs remaining from my Top 25, none are lower (Binky: higher) than 8th.

#1, #2, #4, #5. #7, #8

You need 3-4 bottles of Poland Spring to get through mine.

 
I believe I remember reading somewhere that Jimmy Page claimed to have had a sitar six months before George Harrison, but just couldn’t figure out how to tune it. No idea if that’s true.

 
We have seven songs left. A few people have all 7 - but that means they have 7 songs left from their Top 25.

Of the six songs remaining from my Top 25, none are lower (Binky: higher) than 8th.

#1, #2, #4, #5. #7, #8

You need 3-4 bottles of Poland Spring to get through mine.
@lardonastick  and @Just Win Baby have 5 of top 7
Slug has 5 of top 8

@Alex P Keaton also has 6 of top 8.

That missing song "appears" that it will cost you the Top 25 ChalkyChalk race. 

 

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