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2022 Philadelphia Eagles - Leave Gannon in Arizona and let’s run through the NFC again in 2023. (1 Viewer)
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The deal may not be there when it's OTC or the Saints have other plans to make more moves. No way to spin it that the Eagles lost this trade.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I didn't say the Eagles lost the trade.
I said it would've been better to wait for 2 different reasons. Likely better compensation (albeit, not a sure thing) & it definitely would've made sense to wait to see who fell in this strong class.
To me, it was a deal a more established team should make instead of one trying to break through. The good news is you got enough in return as far as that goes (by itself).
wgoldsph
Footballguy
On one hand it's clearly a win for the eagles in a vacuum.
On the other hand... When exactly do the eagles plan to be a good team? It's great that they can keep accumulating draft picks but the East is wide wide wiiiiide open, and absolutely nobody is walking through that door.
On the other hand... When exactly do the eagles plan to be a good team? It's great that they can keep accumulating draft picks but the East is wide wide wiiiiide open, and absolutely nobody is walking through that door.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
NO saying "screw the future!" and trying to rebuild in the shorter term seems very on brand and makes some sense if you are a GM on the hot seat. Even if he isn't formally on the hot seat it may just be to the point he's been the GM in NO for twenty years.... does he really want to look down the barrel of a three year rebuild? Based on his tendencies in the past he'll do whatever it takes for instant gratification NOW. Maybe he looks at it as these three picks in the top 50 work out and give NO the foundation to move forward in the post Brees/Payton era. If they don't work out he walks away the way Sean Payton did.... leaving the next guy to extinguish the house fire he left in his wake with the least amount of salary cap space and little draft capital to fix the mess he made.
It's POSSIBLE he hits a homerun with every pick. The Brees/Payton/Loomis era has been kicking the can down the road for what feels like forever. If Loomis only hit's doubles or singles with these picks my guess is he isn't around to feel the pain in 2024. Maybe not even 2023. Isn't he also trying to fix the Pelicans AND the budget for the state of Louisiana? His "side jobs" may be more than enough for a guy sliding up close to 70yo.
PHI made a great trade for the future of the franchise. Loomis made a good trade if you are just going all-in, felt you had some bad beats, and aren't sure how much longer you'll be sitting at the table. We rush to anoint a "WINNER!" or a "LOSER!" in these trades but they aren't mutually exclusive. Restructuring the contracts of a team every year to go from a SB favorite, to a playoff favorite, to a playoff hopeful, to a team that might finish .500 sounds like a bleak future for a guy that made every move he could to have the best chance to win the SB every season. He's kind of been a GM the way Favre was a QB. This might be the last hail-mary of his career..... unless he hits on these 3 top-50 picks.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Love this trade. Anyone who thinks this is a bad trade really doesn't understand Football or a huge Hurts fan now getting a little worried. This trade accomplishes a few things and you weren't paying attention to how Howie and the Eagles operate with picks if you though they were keeping all 3 1's.
1. This trade gives them another pick in 23 which they wanted to do anyway. They also move up one pick higher and still kept the highest of 1st rounders they have.
2. This gives them flexibility in Next year to possible move up for one of the big guns at QB if they so chose so
3. Saints have a new Coach, Winston coming off an ACL and their schedule is brutal. Their team is incredible old and were barely above .5OO team most of the year
4. We gained another 1st next year and gained a 2nd in the year after
5. Lots of flexibility in the draft. Could see 18 being traded down to mid 2O's for a higher pick too.
Eagles set themselves up handsomely in the future on drafts and they won't have a lot of dead cap next year either. Saints could've just saved some of those pick assets with us by trading for Dillard and giving us a player they wouldn't need any longer we may need. This is a Howie Roseman masterpiece right here. Absolutely bellisimo!!!!
DJackson10
Footballguy
They weren't really competing this year with so many holes. Our schedule last year made us look better then we really were especially end of the season. You need a QB in the NFL to win and the Eagles know that. They weren't reaching for a QB this year to be irrelevant and mediocre for the next few yrs like many teams who THINK THEY NEED A QB RIGHT NOW will do and get desperate. Next years draft is more loaded in terms of possible Franchise QBs
DJackson10
Footballguy
They play both SB participants and the NFC West and AFC North this year I believe if I'm not mistaken. Their schedule is a nightmare of QBs to face with that terrible secondary. They were barely a 5OO team this past season and lost more guys. Winston is coming off an ACL, new coach, lost some key guys too and Kamara still has a court case and may face league discipline for his pre Pro Bowl pertaining extracurricular.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Not a guy you'd draft in the mid 1st. I've seen Mocks as high as late First but mostly early to mid 2nd rounder. If the Eagles believe Hurts is the guy they will need a slot guy which Dotson projects in the NFL and he'd be a fit but if Hurts isn't the guy I don't see how Dotson Fits the Eagles.
Thanks. I'll note that I specifically didn't mention a round to draft him in because I'm unsure where the consensus range to draft him is. If he falls to our second round pick I'd be happy with the selection. Prefer they stick to D in the 1st.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
-Says a lot, if the Saints were close to winning it all then I doubt Payton steps away.
I think the Saints with an interception prone QB are more likely to hand over a Top 10 pick next year which likely makes their 2nd Rd pick in '24 something like 33-34-35-36...I'll let other speculate but both of the future picks could be on the higher side of both those rounds.
-I do think the Eagles go underwhelmed a bit with where their 3 1st Rd picks were slotted and wanted to shuffle it up. I don't think 5th year options potentially in 2025-2026 had much to do with it but other have felt it might have played a part.
15-20...likely not getting the Top 1-2 WRs, likely not getting one of the Top Edge rushers or very top DBs so now you are almost reaching to fill needs and so they decided to roll the dice on future value.
Good move by the Philly FO but also feels like they were forced into this situation and or felt limited and wanted to expand their options, smart to get out ahead of this before it gets closer to the Draft.
-Saints could Draft a QB and decent WR with these picks since they seem to have a Defense from what others posted and they have a decent running game as well.
Never thought of this, but it's a good save face moment. This way no one can blast him for "why did you make that trade and let them take our guy!".
Shawnky
Footballguy
LOL
The irony of you saying someone doesn't know anything about football and then you typing this.
Then I remember you're that one who said Reagor would be a stud and Lamb a bust.
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Shawnky
Footballguy
I thought I already did. If they hit on these picks and Winston continues the progression he had last year, they'll be in line to take the division. They're considerably better than ATL and CAR and have no problems with TB in the regular season as we've seen the past 2 years. They even beat them with Trevor Siemian. This is still a playoff team with a great deal of talent on the roster. Their record last season is misleading considering the injuries and the QB carousel they endured.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Shawnky
Footballguy
Terpman22
Footballguy
I guess its you that is saying they are going to sweep the division. Not me. They went 4-2 in the division last year.
TBH, it seems that the pick is more likely to be in the top 15 then the bottom 17, and is almost certainly NOT in the bottom 8. NO isn't going to contend, though it wouldn't be a complete surprise if they snuck in as a WC or won a slightly depleted division
This was a no brainer. Philly isn't sold on Hurts, but with a weak division and a few other pieces wasn't likely to end up with a top 10 pick on their own...with no stud QB target this year and an honest desire to give Hurts another year to see if he can improve, the only answer was to move assets forward to next year. If Hurts is solid, GREAT! If he struggles, now they KNOW they'll have the firepower to land a (potential) franchise QB next year.
LOVE this strategy for philly, and it's doubtful it could have been much better come draft time.
Terpman22
Footballguy
This is very true, at least in my opinion. Working on a trade for days/weeks/months is much easier than some stuff that flies at you draft weekend. Can't express how much I really like this move. Saints are gonna stink next year (just a matter of how bad the smell of the stink is: just expired milk or the hot juice at the bottom of a dumpster in August).
dhockster
Footballguy
Salary cap was not a factor. The main reason I think the Eagle's made this trade is they like the QB's in next years draft better than this draft (as to most people) and if Hurts doesn't work out this year, they have ammunition to get a top QB. If Hurts does work out then they have an extra 1st round pick in a deep draft next year to draft at other positions.
Terpman22
Footballguy
This nails it, but also a main reason is this trade was too good to pass up, regardless of your QB position.
need2know
Footballguy
Miami is in the same boat, except there is little chance the SF pick Miami owns in 2023 is top 15, but there is a greater than 50-50 chance that the Eagle's NO pick is top 15, could even be top 10 with Winston at QB (or even a rookie).
I think Miami and the Eagles are borderline playoff teams, so the difference in their 2023 1st rounders will be those from other teams. Miami also has the NE 2023 3rd round pick.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Personally don't think he really fits them and the way that I believe the team is on Hurts right now he'd be a wasted pick. Plus most of our WR's are similar to Dotson. We need more of a Burks/London X type anyway.
DJackson10
Footballguy
This is part of the reason and the Eagles value draft picks more when there's a QB heavy draft. There's a few other teams who do this as well. This is because non QB prospects who could be higher picks tend to drop when the QBs go higher making the draft slots more valuable to those teams overall. Eagles are always thinking of Future cap and there was no way the Eagles were paying 3 1sts rounders at the end of their deals. If all 3 panned out that could really hamstring the cap. Especially if next year they end up with a future Franchise QB thats 4 guys in 2 yrs you pay big $$$ too.
I'm personally unimpressed with this years class overall. There's a few guys I love but no one I'm jumping up and down for. A lot more guys in this draft I hope PHI stays away from then anything. The media tends to overhype many of these prospects. Kyle Hamilton the ND safety is apparently falling. From people I know in the industry he sounds like the next "media loves him more then the guys who scout these guys all year long" types. Eagles are in a situation where they can draft BPA or trade down again if someone is desperate for someone. For the Eagles draft me a LB/CB/S/DL in the first and go from there. If you can trade back and accumulate more day 2 picks they should as that's where the real value in this draft is.
DJackson10
Footballguy
renesauz said:
I disagree with the bolded here. This is more or less the Eagles didn't have a good enough option to replace him this year so why not give him another year because he didn't play to the point where we were desperate for a QB and we aren't in a win now situation. If a readily replacement was on the market Hurts would be on a Different team either by now or at the draft already. The team doesn't want a Wentz/Hurts situation again so they are gonna act like he's being given a legit chance and do everything to give him the most success possible even if they already think he can't. Unless Hurts makes Josh Allen like strides this year he's a Dead Man walking on the roster. Essentially he's keeping the spot warm for the incoming rookie in '23.
DJackson10
Footballguy
dhockster said:
Also there's not many can't miss prospects in this years 1st round. Most of the value is in the middle rounds of this draft. You'll have avg joes like us who will say they love this or that guy in the first and the typical media scrum guys saying stuff to generate the TV ratings and clicks online but the reality is what the media experts think as opposed to the guys. who are scouting these guys 24/7 all year long can be completely different. Like I said in a post above I think Kyle Hamilton is a perfect example here. Just from people I've talked to Hamilton seems more like by fans and media then actual NFL scouts. That could be a taken a few ways.
1. Teams don't value the safety position like the fans and media do
2. Teams found something in Hamilton they didn't like making him drop
Lets take Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah last year. Picked much later do to an injury or medical issue scouts and teams saw and were privy to info the main media couldn't get. Trevor Moehrig the Safety out of TCU had an undisclosed back issue the media didn't pick up on till later in the draft when media started checking with sources why he was dropping. This happens every year.
DJackson10
Footballguy
SoBeDad said:
MIA has a surprisingly underrated Defense. Not saying it's elite but better then what many credit them for. Love the upgrades on offense they made and I'm probably a bigger believer in Tua then most.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Any idea if they’ll do the draft party again? It’s been a few years since I’ve gone and I’d like to this year if possible.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Id didn’t verify this but heard Vegas only has them at 7.5 wins or did a week ago. Not sure if it’s changed since than thought.
The Noid
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They are, and I have a few extra passes to give out, if anyone is interested. PM me.
The Noid
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I don’t think I’m as excited about the possibility of Mathieu as I should be. Turning 30, been on the market for awhile, probably would have to outbid NO in both years and dollars to land him.
But, maybe it’s just me
But, maybe it’s just me
DJackson10
Footballguy
I don’t think I’m as excited about the possibility of Mathieu as I should be. Turning 30, been on the market for awhile, probably would have to outbid NO in both years and dollars to land him.
But, maybe it’s just me
I'd take him depending on price. Nice little toy for Gannon and just a stop gap.
need2know
Footballguy
I don’t think I’m as excited about the possibility of Mathieu as I should be. Turning 30, been on the market for awhile, probably would have to outbid NO in both years and dollars to land him.
But, maybe it’s just me
I want him. We need secondary help badly
Wooderson
Fight The Power
I like the idea of getting Mathieu. He would help us no doubt. But I can't help think why? Why get a guy like this when I don't feel we are in win now mode. I hate years like this as it's feels like a throw away year. But IMO with Hurts and the way the team feels about Hurts we are just waiting our time to upgrade at QB and then make a run.
Who knows crazy years happen all the time in the NFL and I would be more fun to watch with him on the team I suppose.
Who knows crazy years happen all the time in the NFL and I would be more fun to watch with him on the team I suppose.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Never know whats gonna happen in a given year. Sure we can predict all we want, but teams "come out of nowhere" often. Sometimes I think we overlook the value of having a vet like him on our team, and especially if we were to draft a S round 1/2/3. Hypothetically speaking, Mathieu and Harris are here this year, but does anyone expect BOTH to be back in 2024, given their age? Gives us flexibility in a scenario like this.
The Noid
Avoid me!
Right, if we're giving him a 4/$55MM deal or something (29 yo Quandre Diggs just got $13MM/year from Seattle) I'll be concerned and not think that's a smart deal based on where we are as a team now and where he'll be as a player in a few year, but will still enjoy what he'll bring.
He's been out there this long which means his price might have to come down from what he wants, I just hope it's enough to make it good for us. But I have a feeling we're going to feel backed into a corner and have to overpay somehow, if he winds up here.
DJackson10
Footballguy
He's a veteran safety who has great communications skills on the Defense which many people don't value enough. He can do a lot of different things and even if he's here a year or 2 will help out the secondary and could be a good veteran to help whatever draft pick we get at the position develop. People don't realize the value a Vet like Honey Badger brings. I just wish Jalen Mills was still here because those 2 had a great relationship despite only I think playing a year together.
The Noid
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The Noid
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Speaking of former Oregon WRs and Olympian-wannabe-WRs that wore #11, Eagles signed WR/Olympian Devon Allen.
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Maggot Brain
Footballguy
Mathieu would immediately improve the defense. His pre-snap smarts is top notch. He'll play well into his mid 30's for that reason alone.
hahahah well played.
EDT: On that note, Rypien is the reason I became an Eagles fan in the first place. Was a backup here when I first got into the NFL.
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