Not trying to put words in your mouth, but this is what I read from all that you wrote the last two days: Hurts may have the stats of a high-level passer, but he isn't really a high-level passer. He is only performing like one because of how good he is as a runner.
At this stage of his career, without a mutha ****ing doubt. right now he is a capable passer who is working within the scheme. He is NOT an elite passer. Look man, you dont have to like my opinion. Its mine and I own it.
I read an interesting take in the World Cup thread. The USA does not produce elite soccer players despite the population because we raise them as part-time players up until they go pro, whereas in other nations the players dedicate their life to soccer at 14. Same theory with this. I just prefer my QBs to be naturally gifted passers, not guys who are naturally gifted runners who try to develop their passing game in the late stage of their career in the NFL.
Ive praised him. Ive pointed out all his positives. Because you disagree with me, Im a hater.
So by your broad definition, doesnt that also make you a hater?
if you think he's already developed into a "high-level" passer then we going to just have to agree to disagree.
You have a litany of PASSING stats that were laid out that factually put his current performance this season among the top of all the QBs, but you disagree that he is performing as a high-level passer. So you either choose to believe those facts are wrong or you want to discount them to fit your agenda. Someone should coin a word for that...
I think SteadyMobbin is calling this year a fluke...a la the RGIII year. Only time will tell if he's right or wrong.
Not at all. They are an incredibly well-put-together team. Very good Oline, probably collectively the best DLine. Great receiving corp. One of the best CBs in the league and above average LBs.
I also have praised the lunatic head coach of yours. I think hes a brilliant offensive mind.
But Im just a
hater.
keep it up bud. you may get nominated for hater of the year.
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@STEADYMOBBIN 22 You've actually been so much more objective, friendly, and a much better poster over the last couple years and are usually a nice change from other Dallas fans in here, but this stuff is pretty contrary to all of that.
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@The Noid is one of the most knowledgeable and level headed fans I've seen on these boards. He'll give credit or criticism where it's due, and is bringing up a lot of stats and numbers that it seems you're just simply ignoring. I do hope you come around on that.
2. No one here is even saying that Hurts is the best QB in the league, but it seems like you and Djax are acting like we are worshiping the ground he walks on. In fact, listen to all the professionals, analysts, writers, etc out there, everyone is saying how great he is doing. Yes they're not all smart, but these people do this for a living so if there's such a unanimous thought on him, it might be worth listening to)
3. Not sure if you've followed along, but your defense of Djax is strange given how you seem to be a pretty observant poster lately. Every time Jalen had a great play (I'm sure even you will admit he's had some great plays, right?), his response is "wow what a blown coverage!". It's clear as day that no matter WHAT happens, he'll find an issue with Hurts. That's not 'blasting someone for his opinion".... that's being annoyed at someone who is so obsessed with being right that nothing in the world would change his mind. I know you're bright enough that you can at least see that, and understand where the criticism of his posts come from.
4. I don't love all the "well your qb sucks too" back and forth stuff that some fans are giving you about the Cowboys. Don't think that's really relevant. I think it just seems convenient that you're a Cowboys fan and one of 2 people who are voicing all these doubts/complaints/skeptical thoughts/etc about Hurts (and the other is well known for digging in as hard as he can). If you were a Steelers or Bengals fan, I doubt you'd be here posting pages of negative things about a 2nd round QB who is the MVP frontrunner and has his team at 10-1 (And no, please don't twist that as me/us thinking he is the best qb in the league or that vegas odds mean he's the best).
Hope you come around, you have in the past and it's been refreshing.
Appreciate the kind words. Ill address each by number:
1) I haven't ignored his numbers - I can find some to fit my narrative, (such as Hurts throwing the 3rd least amount of passes over 20 yards or if numbers mean everything, does this mean that Hurts is better than Rodgers since his number suck? Of course not.) Numbers dont mean everything but some people state them as if they're an end-all to the whole picture. Im not finished with that post yet.
2) Well if we arent allowed to be objective and can only say the positives and pretend there are no negatives, it does indeed seem like you guys are worshipping the ground he works on. Heaven forbid I try and offer constructive criticism of his skills Ill get labeled a hater. I think I have been incredibly complimentary of him while still providing honest takes on his talent. I am truly impressed by his game and willingness to become a better player. I think thats actually his most impressive trait, second only to his running ability.
3) I like DJax. Much like Hurts, he isnt perfect.
He's incredibly judgmental, critical, stubborn and he hasn't become "self aware" as I like to call it but he is very smart, he has impeccable morals and I just think hes a good egg. I enjoy my interactions with him. I admit I have a soft spot for him so I am biased.
4) Agreed on the first part (about the anti cowboys/Prescott stuff not being relevant). I can understand why you would say that Im biased and maybe I am predisposed to be more critical of other teams in the division but you'll have to take my word for it, when the game isn't on, I couldn't care less about that stuff. I simply pay attention to the Skins, Giants and Eagles more on Sundays.
I come in this thread because Ive grown to like you guys. I love your passion. I like how active you guys are. The Cowboys thread is virtually nonexistent I just want to talk football and I want to discuss it with others who love the sport as I do or once did. I think now I just love the idea of the sport and how I would run things but thats another story.
The only guys Ive actually not had a down to earth conversation is that JetMaxx dude. Terman22 can be obnoxious, but so can I and his last post showed me he can be cool.
It isnt that I dislike Hurts, in fact the more I learn about him the more I respect him. His personality is.....bland. But I dont find him to be unlikeable.