2022 Philadelphia Eagles - Leave Gannon in Arizona and let’s run through the NFC again in 2023. (1 Viewer)

[jasvic]

I'm tempted to put Wentz's 2017 season under the same microscope so we can show how he was a bum all along, he just got lucky or played bad teams or whatever other excuse.

Wentz played some great defenses and teams that year. The Eagles schedule that year going into the season was ranked tied for the top 1O in hardest schedules. This year it's was ranked as one of the softest schedules in the league.

'17 Eagles Opp win % .461
'22 Eagles Opp win % (as of now) .462

wow one hundredth of a percentage point better is this before or during the season though? In other words similar schedule strength so no one has an argument there.

Now you're just gaslighting me so I'm done and apologies to everyone else for my helping to muddy the waters here.

 

[jasvic]

Couple random thoughts. Eagles signed 2 injury replacements to the practice squad so they can take advantage of the 3 call-up rule. Personally I love the extra roster flexibility the NFL has now, but wonder if they'll revert back to pre-covid rules because teams are getting smart with abusing it like this.

Some people questioned the Bears being a trap game for the Eagles, but I'm thinking the Jaguars might be a trap for Dallas. You know they're looking forward to the rematch and Parsons is already running his mouth about the Eagles 2 weeks prior. Does Dougie P help us out with an upset?

 

[Tom Hagen]

Where I disagree with DJackson10 is when he claims you can't win with a Dak Prescott level QB. There are like maybe 10 quarterbacks on the planet better than Dak, if it's absolutely impossible to win with someone at his level the NFL is broken.

The margin for error is a lot greater with Mahomes but teams with good protection and good defense can still win with a top 10-15 QB. If Hurts settles in at a Dak level of production, I would rather have that then trade him and start all over again with a Zach Wilson or Trey Lance. And like it or not guys like Carr, Tannehill and Cousins are making $30+ million so you are going to pay the position no matter what unless you just constantly churn guys on rookie deals.

 

[renesauz]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

IF it were just 'wait and see' many folks here wouldn't be as critical of the posts. The fact that it's gotten into the realm of 'trade him for ???'. That's just not rational talk in today's NFL. and I suspect you know this.

All Im saying is that he has made his point. Yall have made yours, maybe we should all move on and see how things play out. You think one thing, he thinks another, that doesn't make his opinion any less rational than yours.

This is a philosophical debate, not a personal one. I look at things as if I were the one running the team. I fully admit that how I would run a team would be vastly different than most.

Im not in the building but if you ask me today, after seeing how the similar situations with Prescott and Cousins played out I would be in the camp of trying to sign Hurts sooner than later. If the Eagles (gasp,) win the SB, I would in no way want to pay $50-$60 million per season. I would then go into the "irrational" prospect of trading him. Just because Hurts is blowing up right now doesn't mean this is what he will be for 15 years or even next year. In fact, no way in hell will he be the threat to run as a power runner in the next few years. I know you guys think that doesn't help but I strongly disagree to put it lightly. The NFL is a nasty business and they eventually figure everyone out.

And all we are saying is that it is HE who is beating the dead horse here. We get it. You hate Hurts. He lets the hate go and/or stops incessantly talking about him the way he does, do you think we keep piling on? I don't.

The bolded, I can at least debate football with you and well, that is an irrational take for sure. The better Hurts performs, the MORE likely you are to trade him? Weird. How much do you think it's going to cost to rebuild the team when a large number, if not all players take a look at "well, the Eagles will just trade you instead of pay you" not to mention it being 1. MVP or 2nd place MVP 2. Super Bowl Champ 3. Most likely SB MVP if they are champs. Do you realize how CRAZY you sound? It would crater the entire locker room and we'd be left with nothing. Maybe that is the hope.

The only thing I can say "I agree" on is the power running. But how do you know how long he will last? He doesn't take the hits Cam Newton did, and the NFL even more protects players/QB's now that even when Cam was slamming into LB's. We have no other QB to judge as a comparison, unless there is another former powerlifter QB that we know squats 600lbs etc.

Also, on the theme of "eventually he will not be the running QB later that he is today" I can agree. When that happens? Who knows. But isn't it fair to assume by the time that happens he will be a much much improved passer? Still just I don't think 40 starts under his belt into his career. Considering the giant leap in his development from his first full year starting to this year, I think its fair to say he is definitely not a finished product, we don't yet know his ceiling, and there is still a lot of room for growth.

He's already had several games where he didn't run much...and he's been better from the pocket then Cam ever was. He tends to avoid the big open field hits better. The
power runs" (QB sneak type stuff) may tail off some but the fear he'll be a lesser QB with a few more years on him seems over-stated.

 

[fred_1_15301]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

IF it were just 'wait and see' many folks here wouldn't be as critical of the posts. The fact that it's gotten into the realm of 'trade him for ???'. That's just not rational talk in today's NFL. and I suspect you know this.

All Im saying is that he has made his point. Yall have made yours, maybe we should all move on and see how things play out. You think one thing, he thinks another, that doesn't make his opinion any less rational than yours.

This is a philosophical debate, not a personal one. I look at things as if I were the one running the team. I fully admit that how I would run a team would be vastly different than most.

Im not in the building but if you ask me today, after seeing how the similar situations with Prescott and Cousins played out I would be in the camp of trying to sign Hurts sooner than later. If the Eagles (gasp,) win the SB, I would in no way want to pay $50-$60 million per season. I would then go into the "irrational" prospect of trading him. Just because Hurts is blowing up right now doesn't mean this is what he will be for 15 years or even next year. In fact, no way in hell will he be the threat to run as a power runner in the next few years. I know you guys think that doesn't help but I strongly disagree to put it lightly. The NFL is a nasty business and they eventually figure everyone out.

I look at the team like I was running it not as a fan. Thats gonna piss people off for sure.Some people will agree with some of the opinions and other opinions they won't. I'm not in the party of lets back up the truck after one good season though. If I saw ways of making this team better for next year and 8 yrs from now I'm making a move. I want the team to be good for yrs not 1-4 good yrs. Extending a guy just because of one good year or backing up the truck for a player on last year of his deal and plays well in a contract year aren't good traits to have as a GM. Hurts has been great this year. My Question is can he do this every year? If I'm hesitant about it I think about making moves that I see that image.

I personally would've handle the whole Wentz/Doug/Howie situation much different. Get a vet Back up in Here and draft a developmental guy later in the draft. Go Eagles old school guy plays well he won't be the starter here trade him rinse and repeat I'd take the opinion of my coach but I still got final say on the roster with my Owner. You just don't draft a Developmental QB in the 2nd round. What if this was DAL and this past draft DAL Drafted Corral, Picket, Riddle or Howell in the 1st 2 rounds as a Dev QB? I think DAK wouldn't be too happy and with what occurred say that QB played great you got yourself a controversy.

A lot of people think like fans not like a GM or owner. Thats great and all but makes it harder to discuss actual things NFL teams look at. Teams are always looking at upgrades everywhere in case something happens. No guarantees in this league and its why I love the NFL. Any Given Sunday.

I'm also not drafting an RB Top 5 nor am I spending outrageous money to keep Sanders. I'd actually look into seeing if CINCY keeps Perine and make him my lead back. I'm keeping options open for other things. People say they wouldn't trade Hurts but what if HOU came up with 3 1st including this year 's #1 Dameon Pierce and one other piece for one of our 2 1st rounders Hurts and one of our Back up OL guys. You got a chance to take Bryce Young in the draft. You're lying if you aren't taking that deal. 2 first rounders for a team who probably will be picking top 1O for the next few yrs a young starting back and another piece plus 2 extra first? I'd take that constantly. Now that's a dumb move by HOU GM but I'm keeping options open and an open mind.

Well if that type of offer from Houston was on the table, I think the Eagles GM would have to give it a think. But I thought earlier in the thread you had pondered a Hurts/Carr trade including maybe a swap of picks? I apologize if I misinterpreted that. If so, would you make that deal today?

 

[babydemon90]

He's not getting traded. There's no universe where that happens.
I can buy into the argument of let's see what he does next year to make sure its sustainable. The issue then is it'll be even more expensive - so they have to weigh that. There does seem to be precedent though for QB's that aren't drafted in the first round. Cousins and Prescott both even got the franchise tag.

 

[DJackson10]

I'm tempted to put Wentz's 2017 season under the same microscope so we can show how he was a bum all along, he just got lucky or played bad teams or whatever other excuse.

Wentz played some great defenses and teams that year. The Eagles schedule that year going into the season was ranked tied for the top 1O in hardest schedules. This year it's was ranked as one of the softest schedules in the league.

'17 Eagles Opp win % .461
'22 Eagles Opp win % (as of now) .462

wow one hundredth of a percentage point better is this before or during the season though? In other words similar schedule strength so no one has an argument there.

Now you're just gaslighting me so I'm done and apologies to everyone else for my helping to muddy the waters here.

gaslighting you? I'm basically saying the same argument could be made for both it looks like. I also asked if that percentage is for currently or before the season. I'm asking a question.

 

[DJackson10]

You guys are just piling on at this point. He has an opinion and you guys are taking shots at him just because he doesn’t agree with you.

Just because he wants to see what happens when the team isn’t loaded around him doesn’t mean he’s a hater or a moron or crazy.

Shame on all of you. Typical tribalism.

IF it were just 'wait and see' many folks here wouldn't be as critical of the posts. The fact that it's gotten into the realm of 'trade him for ???'. That's just not rational talk in today's NFL. and I suspect you know this.

All Im saying is that he has made his point. Yall have made yours, maybe we should all move on and see how things play out. You think one thing, he thinks another, that doesn't make his opinion any less rational than yours.

This is a philosophical debate, not a personal one. I look at things as if I were the one running the team. I fully admit that how I would run a team would be vastly different than most.

Im not in the building but if you ask me today, after seeing how the similar situations with Prescott and Cousins played out I would be in the camp of trying to sign Hurts sooner than later. If the Eagles (gasp,) win the SB, I would in no way want to pay $50-$60 million per season. I would then go into the "irrational" prospect of trading him. Just because Hurts is blowing up right now doesn't mean this is what he will be for 15 years or even next year. In fact, no way in hell will he be the threat to run as a power runner in the next few years. I know you guys think that doesn't help but I strongly disagree to put it lightly. The NFL is a nasty business and they eventually figure everyone out.

I look at the team like I was running it not as a fan. Thats gonna piss people off for sure.Some people will agree with some of the opinions and other opinions they won't. I'm not in the party of lets back up the truck after one good season though. If I saw ways of making this team better for next year and 8 yrs from now I'm making a move. I want the team to be good for yrs not 1-4 good yrs. Extending a guy just because of one good year or backing up the truck for a player on last year of his deal and plays well in a contract year aren't good traits to have as a GM. Hurts has been great this year. My Question is can he do this every year? If I'm hesitant about it I think about making moves that I see that image.

I personally would've handle the whole Wentz/Doug/Howie situation much different. Get a vet Back up in Here and draft a developmental guy later in the draft. Go Eagles old school guy plays well he won't be the starter here trade him rinse and repeat I'd take the opinion of my coach but I still got final say on the roster with my Owner. You just don't draft a Developmental QB in the 2nd round. What if this was DAL and this past draft DAL Drafted Corral, Picket, Riddle or Howell in the 1st 2 rounds as a Dev QB? I think DAK wouldn't be too happy and with what occurred say that QB played great you got yourself a controversy.

A lot of people think like fans not like a GM or owner. Thats great and all but makes it harder to discuss actual things NFL teams look at. Teams are always looking at upgrades everywhere in case something happens. No guarantees in this league and its why I love the NFL. Any Given Sunday.

I'm also not drafting an RB Top 5 nor am I spending outrageous money to keep Sanders. I'd actually look into seeing if CINCY keeps Perine and make him my lead back. I'm keeping options open for other things. People say they wouldn't trade Hurts but what if HOU came up with 3 1st including this year 's #1 Dameon Pierce and one other piece for one of our 2 1st rounders Hurts and one of our Back up OL guys. You got a chance to take Bryce Young in the draft. You're lying if you aren't taking that deal. 2 first rounders for a team who probably will be picking top 1O for the next few yrs a young starting back and another piece plus 2 extra first? I'd take that constantly. Now that's a dumb move by HOU GM but I'm keeping options open and an open mind.

Well if that type of offer from Houston was on the table, I think the Eagles GM would have to give it a think. But I thought earlier in the thread you had pondered a Hurts/Carr trade including maybe a swap of picks? I apologize if I misinterpreted that. If so, would you make that deal today?

I was basically saying who'd I'd consider trading Hurts for. I think a lot of people underrate Carr as he's never had a great coach or team around him. He's a guy with the right coaching I think can be a really good QB with untapped potential. I said I'd trade Hurts for him but Carr would have to be packaged with other things for me to consider making that trade higher contract, Hurts is cheaper.

 

[The Noid]

Hurts is cheaper.

We’re in the last weeks of Hurts having a cheap contract. This MVP caliber season has obliterated even the widely-held stance of “Let’s have him prove it next year before paying him.” And him being a second round pick (instead of a 1st, with a 5th year option) is the main reason.

Next season is his last year on his rookie deal. So it can only go one of three ways, none of which come “cheap”:

1. A big contract extension doesn’t get done before Week 1 and Hurts is playing for a big payday with no financial security. Yeah, his salary is cheap that year but if he plays bad or gets injured you probably don’t have a legit shot to win anything. If he plays great, yeah, you got him cheap in 2023 but not only does his price go even higher, it might go so high you can’t afford him and he signs somewhere else. Or he’s now got so much leverage you can’t get a whiff of him for anything longer than a 2 or 3 year (fully guaranteed) deal where he could be due another, even bigger payday, when he’s still only 27 or 28 years old.
2. No contract extension gets done before Week 1 and the plan is to use the franchise tag. That’s not only NOT a cheap option it’s astronomically the most expensive option for 2024. The tag just guarantees the team he stays one more season, but not only do they have to pay him the average of the top QBs (have you seen what QB salaries are/will be in 2024??), the entire amount counts toward the cap that season. No deferring or spreading out some of it as a signing bonus. No Howie “cap magic.” If the tag is $50-60 million, you are turning over couch cushions to find every penny by cutting or extending players you didn’t plan for or having to pass on signing FA’s you wanted/needed to add.
3. Sign him to a big extension, which is the most “cost effective” in the long-term, but it ain’t going to be cheap.

You know that Andy Bernard musing of “I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you actually left them?” That’s now. This season, it’s the “good old days” of making a run taking full advantage of a having a QB on a rookie contract. So enjoy it, while also knowing the degree of difficulty to sustain this run will only go up from here because the “Hurts is cheap” window is closed.

 

[need2know]

The niners are our true foe. After them it's all flawed wannabes
No one else matters

 

[need2know]

Hurts is cheaper.

We’re in the last weeks of Hurts having a cheap contract. This MVP caliber season has obliterated even the widely-held stance of “Let’s have him prove it next year before paying him.” And him being a second round pick (instead of a 1st, with a 5th year option) is the main reason.

Next season is his last year on his rookie deal. So it can only go one of three ways, none of which come “cheap”:

1. A big contract extension doesn’t get done before Week 1 and Hurts is playing for a big payday with no financial security. Yeah, his salary is cheap that year but if he plays bad or gets injured you probably don’t have a legit shot to win anything. If he plays great, yeah, you got him cheap in 2023 but not only does his price go even higher, it might go so high you can’t afford him and he signs somewhere else. Or he’s now got so much leverage you can’t get a whiff of him for anything longer than a 2 or 3 year (fully guaranteed) deal where he could be due another, even bigger payday, when he’s still only 27 or 28 years old.
2. No contract extension gets done before Week 1 and the plan is to use the franchise tag. That’s not only NOT a cheap option it’s astronomically the most expensive option for 2024. The tag just guarantees the team he stays one more season, but not only do they have to pay him the average of the top QBs (have you seen what QB salaries are/will be in 2024??), the entire amount counts toward the cap that season. No deferring or spreading out some of it as a signing bonus. No Howie “cap magic.” If the tag is $50-60 million, you are turning over couch cushions to find every penny by cutting or extending players you didn’t plan for or having to pass on signing FA’s you wanted/needed to add.
3. Sign him to a big extension, which is the most “cost effective” in the long-term, but it ain’t going to be cheap.

You know that Andy Bernard musing of “I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you actually left them?” That’s now. This season, it’s the “good old days” of making a run taking full advantage of a having a QB on a rookie contract. So enjoy it, while also knowing the degree of difficulty to sustain this run will only go up from here because the “Hurts is cheap” window is closed.

They will pay him. They payed wentz and he wasn't this good.

 

[babydemon90]

Hurts is cheaper.

We’re in the last weeks of Hurts having a cheap contract. This MVP caliber season has obliterated even the widely-held stance of “Let’s have him prove it next year before paying him.” And him being a second round pick (instead of a 1st, with a 5th year option) is the main reason.

Next season is his last year on his rookie deal. So it can only go one of three ways, none of which come “cheap”:

1. A big contract extension doesn’t get done before Week 1 and Hurts is playing for a big payday with no financial security. Yeah, his salary is cheap that year but if he plays bad or gets injured you probably don’t have a legit shot to win anything. If he plays great, yeah, you got him cheap in 2023 but not only does his price go even higher, it might go so high you can’t afford him and he signs somewhere else. Or he’s now got so much leverage you can’t get a whiff of him for anything longer than a 2 or 3 year (fully guaranteed) deal where he could be due another, even bigger payday, when he’s still only 27 or 28 years old.
2. No contract extension gets done before Week 1 and the plan is to use the franchise tag. That’s not only NOT a cheap option it’s astronomically the most expensive option for 2024. The tag just guarantees the team he stays one more season, but not only do they have to pay him the average of the top QBs (have you seen what QB salaries are/will be in 2024??), the entire amount counts toward the cap that season. No deferring or spreading out some of it as a signing bonus. No Howie “cap magic.” If the tag is $50-60 million, you are turning over couch cushions to find every penny by cutting or extending players you didn’t plan for or having to pass on signing FA’s you wanted/needed to add.
3. Sign him to a big extension, which is the most “cost effective” in the long-term, but it ain’t going to be cheap.

You know that Andy Bernard musing of “I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you actually left them?” That’s now. This season, it’s the “good old days” of making a run taking full advantage of a having a QB on a rookie contract. So enjoy it, while also knowing the degree of difficulty to sustain this run will only go up from here because the “Hurts is cheap” window is closed.

Also, cheap is relative. Hurts will be expensive when we sign him, but we'll spread it out. In 3 years, it'll seem cheap - Burrow, Herbert, etc.. will use the Hurts contract as a starting point. Unless we get another world shutdown pandemic, the cap will just go up and up.

 

[Insein]

Not worried about the contract. They will pay him market money but structure it in a way to make it team friendly to afford others around him. The Wentz deal looked huge at the time and after 3 years, he was only like the 13th highest paid QB. Howie will handle the money.

On a league note, we're going to have a QB one day that makes close to $100m a year. Some owner is going to be dumb enough to do it.

 

[Terpman22]

Howie been doing contracts and pretty good at them for literally decades. People still doubting his ability to do this, which is one of his strong suits. Any talks of trading a 24 year old MVP candidate is magma level hot take/garbage. Hurts is here for the long term. Might as well get used to it. Big question is who does it cost us next year when we can't afford to bring back the whole band.

 

[jon007]

An analyst I forget who posted said that a Hurts deal could look like 6 years for $250 million. Seems kinda low to me unless it's mostly guaranteed.

If I know Howie he will try and sign a deal with Hurts before other QBs set the bar.

I don't think any QB this upcoming offseason will get a Watson deal or be fully guaranteed.

 

[Insein]

An analyst I forget who posted said that a Hurts deal could look like 6 years for $250 million. Seems kinda low to me unless it's mostly guaranteed.

If I know Howie he will try and sign a deal with Hurts before other QBs set the bar.

I don't think any QB this upcoming offseason will get a Watson deal or be fully guaranteed.

The agents will ask though.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Not worried about the contract. They will pay him market money but structure it in a way to make it team friendly to afford others around him. The Wentz deal looked huge at the time and after 3 years, he was only like the 13th highest paid QB. Howie will handle the money.

On a league note, we're going to have a QB one day that makes close to $100m a year. Some owner is going to be dumb enough to do it.

Yeah and my season tickets will be $1000 a game.

 

[Insein]

Not worried about the contract. They will pay him market money but structure it in a way to make it team friendly to afford others around him. The Wentz deal looked huge at the time and after 3 years, he was only like the 13th highest paid QB. Howie will handle the money.

On a league note, we're going to have a QB one day that makes close to $100m a year. Some owner is going to be dumb enough to do it.

Yeah and my season tickets will be $1000 a game.

Probably

 

[Cowboysfan8]

The niners are our true foe. After them it's all flawed wannabes
No one else matters

Honestly? I don’t think anyone can give these Eagles a game …

 

[renesauz]

The niners are our true foe. After them it's all flawed wannabes
No one else matters

Honestly? I don’t think anyone can give these Eagles a game …

Disagree. Niners have the defense to keep it close and let one or two plays decide it. Cowboys have the offensive firepower to force Eagles to play a clean game. If Dak avoids the big mistake and Eagles turned it over once or twice Cowboys could absolutely pull the upset.
Eagles clearly the better team right now, but the better team doesn't beat every quality opponent every week...and Niners/Cowboys are both quality opponents.

BUt I think you know this....reverse jinx?

 

[need2know]

The niners are our true foe. After them it's all flawed wannabes
No one else matters

Honestly? I don’t think anyone can give these Eagles a game …

They look great but I'm not going to say that

 

[G-King]

Honestly? Djax is the one who has his head on straight imo.
Dude has a GREAT season against one of the weakest schedules in the league. I personally think he’s going to be a good one, but Djax is rightfully (imo) taking the wait and see approach. And getting kilt for it

I can certainly understand some skepticism or a healthy wait-and-see approach. But my goodness, he never gives Hurts props or has anything positive to say about his performance. Every good throw is met with "he missed a guy on the other side of the field" or "he got lucky there, should have been an interception", "that defense was horrible". Never an attaboy or an admission to how much Hurts has progressed. He's gone from "he needs to show improvement this season" to nothing is ever good enough.

IMO, its because he planted his flag over the off-season that the team wasn't sold on Hurts and would draft a new rookie with the draft picks the team stockpiled. Just some admission that hey, this guy might be pretty good. But its ALWAYS negative after each game. Always.

I think he wants to promote his “source” of his bosses neighbors cousin- once removed, who once shopped at the grocery store while giving him the “down low” in the vegetable section. The need to be credible overrides the common sense to be accepting of the obvious. And the obvious is that Hurts (and Micah Parsons ) have both exceeded most everyone’s expectations and making the team winners in an MVP season. Although trading Hurts is about the most idiotic take I’ve heard yet.
Props to guys like @renesauz and others for being able to say “I was wrong about Hurts” and now enjoying the ride. Seems a lot more fun to root FOR your team than AGAINST it.

 

[The Noid]

Good thing pick-6 Reagor targets don’t count as negative performance incentives or we would now owe MIN a draft pick.

 

[The Noid]

Goedert not activated for CHI game. Nothing wrong with giving him an extra week to get ready for DAL.

 

[Amused to Death]

Honestly? Djax is the one who has his head on straight imo.
Dude has a GREAT season against one of the weakest schedules in the league. I personally think he’s going to be a good one, but Djax is rightfully (imo) taking the wait and see approach. And getting kilt for it

I can certainly understand some skepticism or a healthy wait-and-see approach. But my goodness, he never gives Hurts props or has anything positive to say about his performance. Every good throw is met with "he missed a guy on the other side of the field" or "he got lucky there, should have been an interception", "that defense was horrible". Never an attaboy or an admission to how much Hurts has progressed. He's gone from "he needs to show improvement this season" to nothing is ever good enough.

IMO, its because he planted his flag over the off-season that the team wasn't sold on Hurts and would draft a new rookie with the draft picks the team stockpiled. Just some admission that hey, this guy might be pretty good. But its ALWAYS negative after each game. Always.

I think he wants to promote his “source” of his bosses neighbors cousin- once removed, who once shopped at the grocery store while giving him the “down low” in the vegetable section. The need to be credible overrides the common sense to be accepting of the obvious. And the obvious is that Hurts (and Micah Parsons ) have both exceeded most everyone’s expectations and making the team winners in an MVP season. Although trading Hurts is about the most idiotic take I’ve heard yet.
Props to guys like @renesauz and others for being able to say “I was wrong about Hurts” and now enjoying the ride. Seems a lot more fun to root FOR your team than AGAINST it.

He's a great poster and I like his insights. He generally makes a lot of sense, which kinda worries me when it comes to Hurts LOL. Two years from now we all may be giving him props and issuing our apologies! I don't think so, but there are no crystal balls.

I'm just enjoying the season and rooting hard for our young QB, because if he doesn't pan out long-term it would be a big set back for the team.

Looking forward to next week!

 

[modogg]

The niners are our true foe. After them it's all flawed wannabes
No one else matters

Honestly? I don’t think anyone can give these Eagles a game …

Disagree. Niners have the defense to keep it close and let one or two plays decide it. Cowboys have the offensive firepower to force Eagles to play a clean game. If Dak avoids the big mistake and Eagles turned it over once or twice Cowboys could absolutely pull the upset.
Eagles clearly the better team right now, but the better team doesn't beat every quality opponent every week...and Niners/Cowboys are both quality opponents.

BUt I think you know this....reverse jinx?

i disagree a bit:

Cowboys: only real chance is if they heal up fast and have a healthy OL and Gallup keeps going. if not, their depth won't hold up

Niners: i used to think so too, but I am sure enough tape will be available by the time Purdy has to play in Philly. kid has done well and has an NFL career, but with the beefed up DTs weighing well over a ton with their rotation, and our LBs now looking dependable, my money will comfortably be on Eagles

not saying either will be 2 TD blowouts, but if Eagles don't make SB i think it will have to be viewed as a letdown. shouldn't diminish the season they have had, but realistic expectation should be SB

 

[DJackson10]

Honestly? Djax is the one who has his head on straight imo.
Dude has a GREAT season against one of the weakest schedules in the league. I personally think he’s going to be a good one, but Djax is rightfully (imo) taking the wait and see approach. And getting kilt for it

I can certainly understand some skepticism or a healthy wait-and-see approach. But my goodness, he never gives Hurts props or has anything positive to say about his performance. Every good throw is met with "he missed a guy on the other side of the field" or "he got lucky there, should have been an interception", "that defense was horrible". Never an attaboy or an admission to how much Hurts has progressed. He's gone from "he needs to show improvement this season" to nothing is ever good enough.

IMO, its because he planted his flag over the off-season that the team wasn't sold on Hurts and would draft a new rookie with the draft picks the team stockpiled. Just some admission that hey, this guy might be pretty good. But its ALWAYS negative after each game. Always.

I think he wants to promote his “source” of his bosses neighbors cousin- once removed, who once shopped at the grocery store while giving him the “down low” in the vegetable section. The need to be credible overrides the common sense to be accepting of the obvious. And the obvious is that Hurts (and Micah Parsons ) have both exceeded most everyone’s expectations and making the team winners in an MVP season. Although trading Hurts is about the most idiotic take I’ve heard yet.
Props to guys like @renesauz and others for being able to say “I was wrong about Hurts” and now enjoying the ride. Seems a lot more fun to root FOR your team than AGAINST it.

He's a great poster and I like his insights. He generally makes a lot of sense, which kinda worries me when it comes to Hurts LOL. Two years from now we all may be giving him props and issuing our apologies! I don't think so, but there are no crystal balls.

I'm just enjoying the season and rooting hard for our young QB, because if he doesn't pan out long-term it would be a big set back for the team.

Looking forward to next week!

I'm not going to sit here and say I'm right when the time comes. However the bolded is why I don't get why I get a lot of flak either. It's not like I've been wrong on a lot of the stuff in the past. Could I be wrong here? Sure. If and when we pay Hurts I hope Howie makes it team friendly where we can get out of it fast if we need too. The problem is the value of hurts won't be as high as it is now which could get you a premium back. You know QB Factory as Howie said.

Contracts you make aren't for what you did now but what you are doing in the future. Could this be a fluke season? Absolutely. Could it be something different? Yes. After how 17 went with Wentz and how everything turned out with McNabb you could get a good Franchise QB or another dud who probably had the season of his life. Had we drafted Hurts in the first round we could've at least had that extra 5th year opt year to make a decision. Unfortunately we don't so we don't have that extra year luxary. Also like I said before the Eagles are always looking everywhere to make themselves better for now or the future. Despite not being in position to draft him at the time Andy scouting Sam Bradford and told people if this guy somehow slips we can't draft him. He won't last a year in this city. This was when we had Kafka, Kolb and Vick on the roster and drafted BG. Eagles are always looking no matter what.

 

[DJackson10]

Tomorrow is suppose to be a nice 16 degrees with winds at 25 MPH. great day to run the ball despite CHI being almost dead last in the pass. Not sure with Hurts arm you want to throw that much in the wind. When I say that I mean more so this isn't a Mahomes, Allen, Herbert strong arm where you feel comfortable throwing in such strong wind. Hurts is more of a touch pass guy not strong armed typed. This type of weather is great running weather.

 

[need2know]

Tomorrow is suppose to be a nice 16 degrees with winds at 25 MPH. great day to run the ball despite CHI being almost dead last in the pass. Not sure with Hurts arm you want to throw that much in the wind. When I say that I mean more so this isn't a Mahomes, Allen, Herbert strong arm where you feel comfortable throwing in such strong wind. Hurts is more of a touch pass guy not strong armed typed. This type of weather is great running weather.

Hurts arm has looked great all year. Check the numbers and your eyes

 

[DJackson10]

Some ******* just tried to throw a snowball at Colleen Wolfe on the post game show. Lucky their accuracy is just as good as Lamar Jackson or Justin Fields and missed by a country mile hitting the edge of the make shift production desk. Wonder if Bills fans throwing snowballs will be talked about for the next 55 yrs? Colleen was a Fox 29 sports anchor here in Philly and Married CSN Phillys at the time John Gonzalez who also did Crossing Broad before moving with Wolfe for her NFL Network job based on California.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Honestly? Djax is the one who has his head on straight imo.
Dude has a GREAT season against one of the weakest schedules in the league. I personally think he’s going to be a good one, but Djax is rightfully (imo) taking the wait and see approach. And getting kilt for it

I can certainly understand some skepticism or a healthy wait-and-see approach. But my goodness, he never gives Hurts props or has anything positive to say about his performance. Every good throw is met with "he missed a guy on the other side of the field" or "he got lucky there, should have been an interception", "that defense was horrible". Never an attaboy or an admission to how much Hurts has progressed. He's gone from "he needs to show improvement this season" to nothing is ever good enough.

IMO, its because he planted his flag over the off-season that the team wasn't sold on Hurts and would draft a new rookie with the draft picks the team stockpiled. Just some admission that hey, this guy might be pretty good. But its ALWAYS negative after each game. Always.

I think he wants to promote his “source” of his bosses neighbors cousin- once removed, who once shopped at the grocery store while giving him the “down low” in the vegetable section. The need to be credible overrides the common sense to be accepting of the obvious. And the obvious is that Hurts (and Micah Parsons ) have both exceeded most everyone’s expectations and making the team winners in an MVP season. Although trading Hurts is about the most idiotic take I’ve heard yet.
Props to guys like @renesauz and others for being able to say “I was wrong about Hurts” and now enjoying the ride. Seems a lot more fun to root FOR your team than AGAINST it.

He's a great poster and I like his insights. He generally makes a lot of sense, which kinda worries me when it comes to Hurts LOL. Two years from now we all may be giving him props and issuing our apologies! I don't think so, but there are no crystal balls.

I'm just enjoying the season and rooting hard for our young QB, because if he doesn't pan out long-term it would be a big set back for the team.

Looking forward to next week!

I agree that he’s generally a good poster. He brings a lot more insight than most on this site (and I’m definitely including myself lol). I also think he’s a good person - I agree with his morals. But he’s also extremely biased. When he doesn’t like someone, it seems to cloud his judgement on that individual for perpetuity. Hurts is just one example of that but there are others.

 

[fred_1_15301]

The niners are our true foe. After them it's all flawed wannabes
No one else matters

Honestly? I don’t think anyone can give these Eagles a game …

Disagree. Niners have the defense to keep it close and let one or two plays decide it. Cowboys have the offensive firepower to force Eagles to play a clean game. If Dak avoids the big mistake and Eagles turned it over once or twice Cowboys could absolutely pull the upset.
Eagles clearly the better team right now, but the better team doesn't beat every quality opponent every week...and Niners/Cowboys are both quality opponents.

BUt I think you know this....reverse jinx?

i disagree a bit:

Cowboys: only real chance is if they heal up fast and have a healthy OL and Gallup keeps going. if not, their depth won't hold up

Niners: i used to think so too, but I am sure enough tape will be available by the time Purdy has to play in Philly. kid has done well and has an NFL career, but with the beefed up DTs weighing well over a ton with their rotation, and our LBs now looking dependable, my money will comfortably be on Eagles

not saying either will be 2 TD blowouts, but if Eagles don't make SB i think it will have to be viewed as a letdown. shouldn't diminish the season they have had, but realistic expectation should be SB

It will be viewed as a letdown but I think a few of you may be underestimating the Niners a tad. Their defense is stellar across the board. The Eagles (and Hurts) have not faced a defense like that. You’re focusing on what the Eagles D will do to Purdy but you should also consider what the Niners D could do to Hurts (and the Eagles O). And when fully healthy, the Niners have plenty of weapons on offense to succeed with a game manager QB

 

[babydemon90]

Tomorrow is suppose to be a nice 16 degrees with winds at 25 MPH. great day to run the ball despite CHI being almost dead last in the pass. Not sure with Hurts arm you want to throw that much in the wind. When I say that I mean more so this isn't a Mahomes, Allen, Herbert strong arm where you feel comfortable throwing in such strong wind. Hurts is more of a touch pass guy not strong armed typed. This type of weather is great running weather.

Hurts arm has looked great all year. Check the numbers and your eyes

Sure, but he doesn't have an exceptional arm, so if there's heavy winds he probably won't be throwing the ball 35 times.

 

[The Noid]

After seeing how much Hurts has been put in harms way today, I take it back. If we clinch next week this coaching staff will for sure run Hurts out there for meaningless snaps.

 

[The Noid]

Dougie P. coming through for Philly once again!

Only need to win one of our last 3 to win the division and #1 seed.

 

[Deamon]

After seeing how much Hurts has been put in harms way today, I take it back. If we clinch next week this coaching staff will for sure run Hurts out there for meaningless snaps.

They aren't giving him an entire month off. He will play but they'll play it safer with him. Might not run at all.

 

[Amused to Death]

Thank you Doug P!

 

[Deamon]

So if we beat Dallas, the 1 seed is clinched?

 

[Snotbubbles]

So if we beat Dallas, the 1 seed is clinched?

Just need 1 more win.

 

[unckeyherb]

The Dallas game suddenly got waaaaay less interesting.

 

[The Noid]

Would have sucked to blow that Bears game and waste that Dallas loss.

 

[Amused to Death]

Suddenly Dallas is going to be only 2 games up on either the Commanders or Giants. With 3 to play.

Sorry, 1.5

 

[The Noid]

My str

After seeing how much Hurts has been put in harms way today, I take it back. If we clinch next week this coaching staff will for sure run Hurts out there for meaningless snaps.

They aren't giving him an entire month off. He will play but they'll play it safer with him. Might not run at all.

Galaxy brain strategy: Rest everyone against DAL to play the Saints, win, then take the NYG game off, too

 

[Deamon]

My str

After seeing how much Hurts has been put in harms way today, I take it back. If we clinch next week this coaching staff will for sure run Hurts out there for meaningless snaps.

They aren't giving him an entire month off. He will play but they'll play it safer with him. Might not run at all.

Galaxy brain strategy: Rest everyone against DAL to play the Saints, win, then take the NYG game off, too

This would be so perfect for so many reasons.

 

[Deamon]

Suddenly Dallas is going to be only 2 games up on either the Commanders or Giants. With 3 to play.

Sorry, 1.5

Hmm interesting. If we beat Dallas then, very good chance Dallas vs Wash in the final week would be for 5 or 6 seed?

 

[Deamon]

The Dallas game suddenly got waaaaay less interesting.

I mean would be nice to clinch the 1 seed and maybe give Dallas a game vs SF instead of Tampa.

 

[Terpman22]

Great win. It was ugly, but still got it. Defense, esp the pass rush looked great today. Pretty glad we got Sweat locked up already the way he is playing. Dallas defense is going to be their achilles heel the rest of the way. Just don't have a good CB2 and its showing. Week will be fun, but way less interesting for sure.

 

[Deamon]

Saints win drops us to pick #9.

 

[modogg]

Great win. It was ugly, but still got it. Defense, esp the pass rush looked great today. Pretty glad we got Sweat locked up already the way he is playing. Dallas defense is going to be their achilles heel the rest of the way. Just don't have a good CB2 and its showing. Week will be fun, but way less interesting for sure.

love Sweat too, but have to really give credit for the 3-year contract for Reddick. that guy looked like a monster today

 

[Amused to Death]

Great win. It was ugly, but still got it. Defense, esp the pass rush looked great today. Pretty glad we got Sweat locked up already the way he is playing. Dallas defense is going to be their achilles heel the rest of the way. Just don't have a good CB2 and its showing. Week will be fun, but way less interesting for sure.

love Sweat too, but have to really give credit for the 3-year contract for Reddick. that guy looked like a monster today

Sweat is still just 25 and getting better each season.