the moops
Footballguy
Exum has only missed two games. And Chris Paul is now going to miss a couple months with a broken wrist.
I get being down on Grant, but his contract is in no way an "anchor". They could trade him right now for positive value
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2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (1 Viewer)
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I get being down on Grant, but his contract is in no way an "anchor". They could trade him right now for positive value
Instinctive
Footballguy
Like who?
the moops
Footballguy
Like who would want him? Nearly every team? Dude is still hitting threes at 38% and can competently cover 2-5 and is only making 12 million.
Instinctive
Footballguy
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree. So far, he's been terrible (he cannot competently cover 2-5, that's an insane thing to say) and the team is worse with him on the court.
He's literally the only player on the team getting 20 minutes with a negative +/-. 6 (7 if you include Exum at 19.5) others are all positive. That's an entire playoff rotation. On court, the only team member with a worse number is Markieff Morris in 10 games of spot minutes and a G-leaguer who's played in 3 games for like 20 minutes total. That's his -3.1.
Off court, he's the best player, aside from the same G-leaguer who's ridden the bench after dressing for 2 more games. In Grant Williams bench minutes, the team is +4.8.
If you go from per game to per 100 possessions, two more g-leaguers and end of the bench OMax show up as worse, but we also see Williams on court go to -5.2. When he's off the court, he's still only better than G-leaguer Brandon Williams, and the team is 9.5 points better with Williams on the bench. More than double the next closest guy.
Net rating - same results
Team DRTG goes from 118 with him on to 110 when he's off.
ORTG is better by 5 points without him.
Team AST% goes up when he sits.
Team AST/TO ratio is better when he sits.
All Luka lineups (that I can quickly check) perform better with someone other than him in his spot (e.g., holding the other 3 players constant)
He's one of the most wide open shooters and is ONLY making 38% of almost entirely corner (read: the easiest) threes. AND he makes idiotic drives all the time.
He doesn't provide spacing or defense. He's terrible.
Now...could he be hurt? Could he be adjusting? Does he provide some attitude that this team does kind of need? All these things are possible. But if you hired me tomorrow to work as Nico's assistant, the first thing I'd try to do is find a way to get out of the Grant Williams business.
Instinctive
Footballguy
In other Grant Williams related news Dallas took it to Minnesota tonight. Two players had negative plus/minus:
Josh Green -2
Grant Williams -7
Josh Green -2
Grant Williams -7
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Peyton Watson is fun to watch. Tough, energetic defender.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Yes.
The NBA is about entertainment and it allows for more dramatic game winning shots. Sucks when it happens to your team, but it is a part of the game, similar to the additional "gather" step when determining travels.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed. It has never made sense to me.
the moops
Footballguy
The coast to coast buzzer beater is way more exciting
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I heard the Warriors are suing they league for talking Draymond out of retiring. Not sure how they lose.
Kev4029
Footballguy
But way more difficult.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I'm filled with "The new phone books are here!" excitement for Wednesday night's game, when the 5-30 Spurs visit the 3-33* Pistons. Who wants it more?
*Piston host the Kings the night before.
*Piston host the Kings the night before.
the moops
Footballguy
Well of course
Major
Footballguy
I'm not really sure what that GM is thinking. He's good at evaluating talent but really squandered their future. Let FVV go for nothing and lost a treasure trove of future assets holding onto Siakam, OG, etc for so long.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The NBA was clever with the Green reinstatement, I will give them that. They did it over the weekend, and one where all the sports talk is about the last week of the NFL season and the college football championship game tonight, so it is merely a passing thought for most. It's a joke that he is back already, but it's the NBA.
the moops
Footballguy
Yea hate to see that. He looked to be in pain. Torn groin? Hamstring?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Saw left hamstring. MRI tomorrow.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I don’t get the overturned call when Brown was shooting.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Playing basketball or Instagram photos?
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Whoa
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Assuming the Grizz are basically calling this a lost season at this point, I would love for the Wolves to trade for Kennard to get some more shooting. He's like $15M this year +$15 next year, but that second year is a team option (which the Wolves wouldn't be able to pick up).
Depending on what Memphis wants to do they have a bunch of small expirings + non guarantees next year to get to $15, and could throw in something like Wendell Moore and/or some second round picks.
Depending on what Memphis wants to do they have a bunch of small expirings + non guarantees next year to get to $15, and could throw in something like Wendell Moore and/or some second round picks.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
Coming across a lot of less flattering opinions on Bob Myers in warriorland these days as he departed for greener pastures to the NFL. He's being viewed as the recipient of being in the right place at the right time and that he bailed as to not tarnish his record. Steph and ,Klay were already drafted by Larry Riley. While under Myers they essentially whiffed on 3 lottery picks and already traded away both of their 2022 picks (Baldwin and Rollins) . Also with his background in being a player agent extending out bad contracts notably Poole and Wiggins while providing a bench seat and roster spot to a past his prime Iguodola last year .
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the moops
Footballguy
He nailed his first draft, the year after Klay. Harrison Barnes at 7 and Draymond at 35. Followed that up with Looney at 30 the next year. The Wiseman pick obviously sucked, and he may have been in the right place at the right time, but he deserves some credit for this 10+ year run
Desert_Power
Footballguy
As annoying as he is, Draymond at 35 is an all time great pick.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The trade for Wiggins was brilliant and they don't win the title without him. Poole was also a factor in the title and overall was a good pick at 29.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
No. No credit.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I saw the recap of the shots, but he must of had 5 or 6 passes of the year highlights in that game.
the moops
Footballguy
The Grizz are going to be bad enough the rest of the year that they don't need to dump any of their key rotation players. They will want to compete next year, and Kennard is an important piece for them. I can't see them unloading him for a couple seconds unless there is something in it besides that.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
probably makes sense since the grizz can wait to decide on his option, but I think it is a near-lock that they will decline it since they are already 11 million into the tax for next year. If they think that their best return for him will come at the deadline, I could see them making that move.
the moops
Footballguy
Ah, didn't know there was a club option on that deal. Good point
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Do you not read what I write? Do you just automatically disagree?
the moops
Footballguy
What do you think? Geez, it's like we don't even know each other
the moops
Footballguy
2 Minute Report came out.
Somehow the league says that the no-call on Hield whacking Brown in the head was the correct call. But oh, they also missed an offensive foul on Turner and it wasn't actually a foul on Porzingis.
I disagree with all three of those takes. Should have been a foul on Hield. The Turner screen was a good no call. The Porzingis challenge of the shot should have been a foul
Somehow the league says that the no-call on Hield whacking Brown in the head was the correct call. But oh, they also missed an offensive foul on Turner and it wasn't actually a foul on Porzingis.
I disagree with all three of those takes. Should have been a foul on Hield. The Turner screen was a good no call. The Porzingis challenge of the shot should have been a foul
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That Clipper trade for Harden looks pretty good.
the moops
Footballguy
I'm not really into folk music. The legends? Sure. The typical coffehouse type? Ugh.
This is basketball related I promise. Keep reading.
Went up to Duluth last winter for a weekend cause a friend said why the hell not, and this guy, a folk singer, Dan Bern is playing a show.
Show was good, but more importantly he sang this song. And well, I find it incredible. More so when I am high though - which is now - and when I saw the show
Victor Wembanyama
This is basketball related I promise. Keep reading.
Went up to Duluth last winter for a weekend cause a friend said why the hell not, and this guy, a folk singer, Dan Bern is playing a show.
Show was good, but more importantly he sang this song. And well, I find it incredible. More so when I am high though - which is now - and when I saw the show
Victor Wembanyama
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
“They had to win tonight? If that's the case, just let us know so we don't show up for the game.“ -Darko Rajakovic
Jayrod
Footballguy
The officiating is starting to take center stage again of late.
One of the hardest part about calling a game is being consistent. I know as a player it was tough to take when I felt like I got fouled but it wasn't called and then a short time later I got called for minor or even no contact.
But as an official, it is extremely hard to see every play the same way. Angles make all of the difference and while two plays can be similar, no 2 plays are exactly the same. 2 similar plays back to back can actually be completely different in the execution and thus the call.
The thing I see a lot in NBA and even some of the HS games I watch as my son is playing is the change from letting the players play through contact early in the game to calling every contact a foul in the 4th quarter. Didn't watch it, but seems like maybe that happened in the Lakers/Raptors game? However, philosophies and styles can change throughout the game and there is sometimes a combination of offensive players becoming more aggressive while defenders are getting tired and out of position more often. Maybe the refs sucked in the 4th? Maybe the game warranted the calls that were made? I recall the Lakers being furious about losing a game on "bad" calls a few times in the past year (Celtics this week also), so seems like maybe things even out over time so maybe stop making it about the refs and just realize sometimes bad calls go your way and sometimes they don't?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Being a good basketball official or calling a really good game as an official is one of the hardest things I've ever tried to do (football is MUCH simpler and one of the reasons I like it better). Sure you can run out there and make all of the obvious calls, but it is the judgement calls on spin move travels or a block/charge or late/light body contact on a shooter or rebounder that lead to disagreements or frustrations that can escalate into a "bad" game in a hurry. You get a whiny coach or some whiny players and all of a sudden everything is about what you call or don't call. Once that leads to the crowd turning on the officials I start to get really frustrated and warnings/technicals are coming.
Not sure what my point is other than just reiterating that officiating basketball is really, really hard.
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