Jayrod
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It's no Dream Team, but Edwards, JJJ, Brunson, Bridges, Haliburton, Ingram and Banchero are 7 all-star level guys.
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2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (5 Viewers)
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Yo Mama
Footballguy
I’m loopy on cold medicine, but I’m thinking about doing a draft for the mid-season tournament. The league will be announcing the matchup/schedules this upcoming week.
I figure we’ll draft the nba teams, and I’ll come up with some scoring system (pool play wins, knockout wins, champion).
Otherwise we can treat it like the World Cup or ncaa tourney, and everyone makes their predictions beforehand and we track who gets closest.
Anyway, I’m totally in on this stupid tourney.
I figure we’ll draft the nba teams, and I’ll come up with some scoring system (pool play wins, knockout wins, champion).
Otherwise we can treat it like the World Cup or ncaa tourney, and everyone makes their predictions beforehand and we track who gets closest.
Anyway, I’m totally in on this stupid tourney.
the moops
Footballguy
Also their coaching roster is top notch - perhaps the top 3 coaches in the league
Kerr, Spo, Lue
Tau837
Footballguy
Kerr and Spo, yes. I'm not sure I get why people seem to think Lue is one of the top few coaches in the NBA. Based on what?
I mean, Pop is still coaching. Is he not viewed as a top coach any more? What about Malone? I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking of.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I think the shine is off Pop a bit since it seems unclear how much he’s able to evolve with the new game, though to be fair, their rosters the past 4 years have been pretty wack and he has actually had more success statistically than a lot would.
Malone should probably be rising up the ranks.
The esteem for Nick Nurse and Bud has also worn off a bit, but they should probably at least be in the top 5 conversation.
I think that Lue’s main strengths are his willingness to try things and adjust in the playoffs and his supposedly high ability to communicate and connect with players. I can’t really speak to the latter obviously, but the former is probably a greater value-add for a lot of people. If you are taking in the entirety of the head coaching job, he is probably more toward the back half of the top 10.
Monty Williams, ime Udoka, and maybe even Mike Brown might have a case vs. Lue.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
And that is the definitive answer for you.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
again?
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Hoop Central
@TheHoopCentral
REPORT: “(James Harden) no longer wants to play for Philadelphia and has no plans of taking part in training camp.”
@TheHoopCentral
REPORT: “(James Harden) no longer wants to play for Philadelphia and has no plans of taking part in training camp.”
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Then he should not have opted into his contract.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Why? He took a team friendly pay cut last season. He should by any means necessary maintin any leverage he has in getting the team to square things up.
the moops
Footballguy
Yea I am not sure either party has any moral standing here. PHI got a bargain and there was likely a wink wink deal that he would get a longer deal this offseason. He once again had some horrific playoff moments and Morey was probably like "hey, let's just run it back one more time and use our max cap space in 2024". And now, here we are.
I bet he gets dealt still. Maybe a few months into the season. But someone will give something for him
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Signing a contract with intent to breach could be problematic. This isn’t a holdout at the end of a now non-market deal.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
100% there was something. But sixers got smacked for tampering last year so probably need to be careful.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
It's not like he isn't a known quantity. They knew what they were getting into when they extended him. They should have just gave him market value and nixed the player option if they didn't want the drama.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Daryl does not care about the drama. That sucks for a lot of other people on the ground, but I'm sure that Daryl is not worried about it. He looks at like what's the point of trading him for very little. There's no chance that it increases their championship equity. On the other hand, there is a slight slight chance that by waiting, he could increase the Sixers' championship equity. Same playbook as Ben Simmons.
the moops
Footballguy
Smacked? They lost two meaningless second round picks. Every team will tamper if that is the result
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That Ben Simmons thing didn't really workout that well.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Just curious how people felt about Basketball Reference's HOF chances for current players (minimum 10% chance). Who looks too high? Too low?
LeBron - 100%
KD - 100%
Chris Paul - 100%
Steph - 100%
Harden - 99.9%
Westbrook - 99.9%
AD - 98.6%
Dame - 93.6%
Giannis - 94.9%
Paul George - 93.6%
Kyrie - 93.4%
Jokic - 86.4%
Lowry - 85.7%
Kawhi - 77.6%
Draymond - 76.8%
Kevin Love - 73.4%
Butler - 72.9%
Klay - 70,2%
Blake - 54.8%
DeRozan - 42.4%
Wall - 32.3
Gobert - 21.6%
Kemba - 15.1%
Iguodala - 12.6%
Horford - 12.2%
KAT - 10.8%
Rose - 10.5%
LeBron - 100%
KD - 100%
Chris Paul - 100%
Steph - 100%
Harden - 99.9%
Westbrook - 99.9%
AD - 98.6%
Dame - 93.6%
Giannis - 94.9%
Paul George - 93.6%
Kyrie - 93.4%
Jokic - 86.4%
Lowry - 85.7%
Kawhi - 77.6%
Draymond - 76.8%
Kevin Love - 73.4%
Butler - 72.9%
Klay - 70,2%
Blake - 54.8%
DeRozan - 42.4%
Wall - 32.3
Gobert - 21.6%
Kemba - 15.1%
Iguodala - 12.6%
Horford - 12.2%
KAT - 10.8%
Rose - 10.5%
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Yeah, it got posted while I was typing the list. It's updated now.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Lowry??
Also, without looking at the numbers it’s crazy to me that Westbrook is that high.
Also, without looking at the numbers it’s crazy to me that Westbrook is that high.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Kyrie too high, Klay too low?
Capella
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Anyone with an MVP should be ahead of Paul George. I think 100% of past MVPs are in the hof.
Tau837
Footballguy
This post is a good example of why I don't care about the basketball HOF.
Paul George has put up a huge amount of empty stats. I don't see him as a HOFer, but he almost certainly will be. Can we tell the story of the league without him? Yes. Has he truly impacted the game? No. Does he have any signature moments? No. Any notable postseason success? No. WTF?
Lowry was a solid player who happened to be a very good player on a championship team, yet he was not the top player on that team. HOFer? Come on.
Blake Griffin? DeRozan? Wall? Gobert? Kemba? Horford? Rose? It's a joke if any of them get serious consideration.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Ant 100%
Jayrod
Footballguy
Guys that I think have too high a %: AD, Dame, PG13, Lowry & Griffin. Dame & AD should get in, but they arent locks like the % would indicate.
Guys not at 100% but should be: Giannis, Jokic & Kawhi. Even if any of them don't play another game, they are locks.
Westbrook is where he should be. He's got the accolades and stats to justify it.
Rose will be the first MVP not to make it.
need2know
Footballguy
Harden with his many faults is still better than Ben Simmons
msudaisy26
Footballguy
It wasn't just Harden for Simmons, and they had other teams interested and could have gotten a better return than Harden if Morey didn't make ridiculous offers.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
James Harden: “Daryl Morey is a liar and I will never be a part of an organization that he’s a part of. Let me say that again: Daryl Morey is a liar and I will never be a part of an organization that he’s a part of.”
Capella
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The Harden situation is going to be fascinating to see how it plays out. If he opted in for the sole purpose of being traded and making that more of a possibility rather than trying to orchestrate a much more complicated sign and trade deal and then the Sixers DON'T trade him, that would be an interesting test of the CBA. PHI will likely fine and suspend him for failing to honor his contract. What a mess.
Capella
Footballguy
NBA off-season never fails to deliver.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Opting in and demanding a trade is new territory, right? In the NFL, once the Franchise player signs the 1-year tag, they don't hold out. If he doesn't report to camp, they will need to fine and suspend him like they did Simmons -- and there is no injury or mental health thing this time for NBAPA to rely on.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
We are entering new territory on this one. If there were verbal promises and considerations made that aren't documented in a contract, who knows what that means. Harden could argue that he only opted in to expedite a trade, which would have allowed for PHI to recoup some assets that they would not have received if he simply signed elsewhere as a free agent. That's probably how that all went down and what was promised to Harden. But I have no idea what that means in terms of the NBAPA, a suspension, fines, etc. Like Simmons, I would guess eventually PHI will end up trading him, but it might take a while. The Sixers likely won't want to play him, as there is the potential that Harden would put forth very little effort, could gain 30 pounds, and otherwise be disinterested in playing while being a huge distraction.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Sixers can’t have this stuff keep happening in Embiid’s prime. They need to move Harden for whatever they can get. Try to build with guys who want to be there.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I assume you mean other than DRose - there is zero chance Rose gets in, and I think if George's career ended today, he probably gets in.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Not sure how it was possible for them to get so little out of premium draft capital . . . Fultz, Simmons, Okafor, and Noel.
Kev4029
Footballguy
There are something like 125 NBA players in the Basketball HOF - at any given time there are something like 25 players that are currently playing in the NBA that will make it to the HOF. Of the players above Griffin (whose probability feels a little low), I think nearly all of them are locks except Lowry (their algorithm is wonky with him) and Love. I think Love probably makes it and Lowry probably doesn't. The only player below Griffin that I think has anything of a chance is Gobert, but he needs to have another couple years of DPOY contention.
caustic
Footballguy
I'd put Gobert's odds at over 50%. His Minnesota tenure has taken a bit of the shine off, but he's one of four players to ever win DPOY 3+ times. Probably the most dominant rim protector of this era. That's a much better resume than, say, DeRozan's or Griffin's IMO.
the moops
Footballguy
Wow is right
Anarchy99
Footballguy
They don't really consider the younger guys until they get to a certain point. Here are the active players in the 1-9% range . . .
Tatum - 6.9%
Mitchell - 6.6%
Sabonis - 4.0%
Jordan - 3.7%
Beal - 2.3%
Drummond - 1.9%
Middleton 1.7%
Cousins - 1.5%
Booker - 1.1%
Not sure why their algorithm shows those guys that way, but that's how they rank them.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
what return could they have gotten?
Jayrod
Footballguy
The only guys on this list with a good chance are Tatum and Booker. Guys with an outside shot, Mitchell and maybe Sabonis. Everyone else is too old already and has no shot.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I feel like he could sneak in when he is old.
Tau837
Footballguy
Not sure if Wikipedia is accurate, but it says:
The first NBA player inducted was Mikan in 1959. 110-111 players inducted in 64 years.
If there are 25 HOF players playing in the NBA at any given time, then these would be my 25 right now, in no particular order:
- Lebron
- Durant
- Curry
- Jokic
- Giannis
- Luka
- Embiid
- Lillard
- Harden
- Butler
- Tatum
- Thompson
- Draymond
- Booker
- Paul
- Westbrook
- Kawhi
- AD
- Edwards
- SGA
- Haliburton
- Banchero
- Holmgren
- Wembanyama
- Scoot
The point is, if it's a total of 25 at any given time, that includes players in their first, second, etc. years in the league, as well as players past their prime but still active, like Griffin. That, in turn, is why guys like Griffin, Lowry, et al. should not have much of a shot. Put George, Griffin, Lowry, Love, et al. in, and it's more like there are 30-35 HOF players playing at any given time. Which would be way too many IMO.
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