2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (8 Viewers)

[FatMax]

Bartelstein strikes again, as the kings sign euro league mvp Sasha vezenkov to 3/20. Stretch 4 from the Greek league.

I like it. 40% career 3pt. Granted Euro 3's are about 1.5' closer, but this guy can shoot. The Kings still don't have a real 4, but they've got shooters everywhere. Now if Sabonis could get a little mid-range pop, I'd be even happier.

 

[Boston]

Thinking about that Bruce brown deal a little more, it is a little surprising that he would take that over staying in Denver, assuming there were no better offers.

It definitely has better upside between the potential for next year’s salary and the potential for a bigger role so that he could show off more and get paid more later, but he basically chose a guaranteed $22 million over a guaranteed $16 million to stay.

Maybe he didn’t trust the kroenkes to make things right down the line. (I probably wouldn’t.)

For a guy like Brown you only get so many opportunities to cash in...there is a good chance his value may never be higher due to winning a title...he has now put his family in a very good spot...if he rolls the dice and gets hurt or his play takes a step backwards he could easily miss his window.

 

[thecatch]

Bartelstein strikes again, as the kings sign euro league mvp Sasha vezenkov to 3/20. Stretch 4 from the Greek league.

I like it. 40% career 3pt. Granted Euro 3's are about 1.5' closer, but this guy can shoot. The Kings still don't have a real 4, but they've got shooters everywhere. Now if Sabonis could get a little mid-range pop, I'd be even happier.

My only issue is the Kings haven’t done anything this offseason that they couldn’t have done without trading a first to get rid of Holmes. They still have some flexibility with how they structure things so maybe McNair has another move up his sleeve.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Thinking about that Bruce brown deal a little more, it is a little surprising that he would take that over staying in Denver, assuming there were no better offers.

It definitely has better upside between the potential for next year’s salary and the potential for a bigger role so that he could show off more and get paid more later, but he basically chose a guaranteed $22 million over a guaranteed $16 million to stay.

Maybe he didn’t trust the kroenkes to make things right down the line. (I probably wouldn’t.)

For a guy like Brown you only got so many opportunities to cash in...there is a good chance his value may never be higher due to winning a title...he has now put his family in a very good spot...if he rolls the dice and gets hurt or his play takes a step backwards he could easily miss his window.

I made this argument as well and certainly understand how this pacers deal is better, but from a strictly guaranteed money standpoint, it is only a difference of $6 million (assuming Denver would have given the 1+1 at 7.8), which is far closer than I anticipated it being.

 

[FatMax]

Bartelstein strikes again, as the kings sign euro league mvp Sasha vezenkov to 3/20. Stretch 4 from the Greek league.

I like it. 40% career 3pt. Granted Euro 3's are about 1.5' closer, but this guy can shoot. The Kings still don't have a real 4, but they've got shooters everywhere. Now if Sabonis could get a little mid-range pop, I'd be even happier.

My only issue is the Kings haven’t done anything this offseason that they couldn’t have done without trading a first to get rid of Holmes. They still have some flexibility with how they structure things so maybe McNair has another move up his sleeve.

My guess is that they are desperately trying to extend Sabonis right now. Without him, they're an average team, at best. I think Monte knows this better than anyone. And if that's where the extra money goes, I'm OK with it.

 

[Desert_Power]

Is Twitter dead for everybody else?

it is on the app, but not desktop

 

[nysfl2]

Thinking about that Bruce brown deal a little more, it is a little surprising that he would take that over staying in Denver, assuming there were no better offers.

It definitely has better upside between the potential for next year’s salary and the potential for a bigger role so that he could show off more and get paid more later, but he basically chose a guaranteed $22 million over a guaranteed $16 million to stay.

Maybe he didn’t trust the kroenkes to make things right down the line. (I probably wouldn’t.)

For a guy like Brown you only got so many opportunities to cash in...there is a good chance his value may never be higher due to winning a title...he has now put his family in a very good spot...if he rolls the dice and gets hurt or his play takes a step backwards he could easily miss his window.

I made this argument as well and certainly understand how this pacers deal is better, but from a strictly guaranteed money standpoint, it is only a difference of $6 million (assuming Denver would have given the 1+1 at 7.8), which is far closer than I anticipated it being.

1. $6 mil is a lot of money for Bruce brown and his family.
2. Barring major injury, that 7.8 mil (or close enough to it) will be available to him next year, no matter how badly he plays in Indiana.

 

[thecatch]

Bartelstein strikes again, as the kings sign euro league mvp Sasha vezenkov to 3/20. Stretch 4 from the Greek league.

I like it. 40% career 3pt. Granted Euro 3's are about 1.5' closer, but this guy can shoot. The Kings still don't have a real 4, but they've got shooters everywhere. Now if Sabonis could get a little mid-range pop, I'd be even happier.

My only issue is the Kings haven’t done anything this offseason that they couldn’t have done without trading a first to get rid of Holmes. They still have some flexibility with how they structure things so maybe McNair has another move up his sleeve.

My guess is that they are desperately trying to extend Sabonis right now. Without him, they're an average team, at best. I think Monte knows this better than anyone. And if that's where the extra money goes, I'm OK with it.

I doubt anyone would outbid what the Kings could offer next year anyway, and the Kings can really jack up that offer by only using a little bit of cap space this offseason. So if that's where all of their remaining cap space (which still is $10m+ depending on how they structure things), that will be an awful move.

 

[Yo Mama]

Lakers got Jaxson Hayes for a minimum gamble. I like the move, but they still need another big. I’d love to see them get Jock Landale. Sounds like Bamba might still be in the mix.

 

[Tau837]

Thinking about that Bruce brown deal a little more, it is a little surprising that he would take that over staying in Denver, assuming there were no better offers.

It definitely has better upside between the potential for next year’s salary and the potential for a bigger role so that he could show off more and get paid more later, but he basically chose a guaranteed $22 million over a guaranteed $16 million to stay.

Maybe he didn’t trust the kroenkes to make things right down the line. (I probably wouldn’t.)

For a guy like Brown you only get so many opportunities to cash in...there is a good chance his value may never be higher due to winning a title...he has now put his family in a very good spot...if he rolls the dice and gets hurt or his play takes a step backwards he could easily miss his window.

Agree. I also don't follow the guaranteed $16M to stay. I understood that Denver could not offer him more than $7.8M for next season, then after that Denver could sign him to a 4 year contract starting at $14M per year. The $22M referenced here is next season. How could Denver have offered him $16M for next season?

 

[caustic]

Lillard has officially asked out. Here we go

 

[Stoneworker]

Thinking about that Bruce brown deal a little more, it is a little surprising that he would take that over staying in Denver, assuming there were no better offers.

It definitely has better upside between the potential for next year’s salary and the potential for a bigger role so that he could show off more and get paid more later, but he basically chose a guaranteed $22 million over a guaranteed $16 million to stay.

Maybe he didn’t trust the kroenkes to make things right down the line. (I probably wouldn’t.)

For a guy like Brown you only get so many opportunities to cash in...there is a good chance his value may never be higher due to winning a title...he has now put his family in a very good spot...if he rolls the dice and gets hurt or his play takes a step backwards he could easily miss his window.

Agree. I also don't follow the guaranteed $16M to stay. I understood that Denver could not offer him more than $7.8M for next season, then after that Denver could sign him to a 4 year contract starting at $14M per year. The $22M referenced here is next season. How could Denver have offered him $16M for next season?

If Bruce Brown stayed in Denver he would likely have pushed hard for a starting role over KCP (with merit).

From top to bottom everyone on that team knows and accepts their role (as of now). The last thing they need is any dissension over playing time (see: Hyland, Bones).

Bruce Brown outgrew his role and is now deservedly off to greener pastures as a starter somewhere else. Good for him, not as bad for Nuggets as may appear.

 

[Tau837]

Thinking about that Bruce brown deal a little more, it is a little surprising that he would take that over staying in Denver, assuming there were no better offers.

It definitely has better upside between the potential for next year’s salary and the potential for a bigger role so that he could show off more and get paid more later, but he basically chose a guaranteed $22 million over a guaranteed $16 million to stay.

Maybe he didn’t trust the kroenkes to make things right down the line. (I probably wouldn’t.)

For a guy like Brown you only got so many opportunities to cash in...there is a good chance his value may never be higher due to winning a title...he has now put his family in a very good spot...if he rolls the dice and gets hurt or his play takes a step backwards he could easily miss his window.

I made this argument as well and certainly understand how this pacers deal is better, but from a strictly guaranteed money standpoint, it is only a difference of $6 million (assuming Denver would have given the 1+1 at 7.8), which is far closer than I anticipated it being.

So it seems you are comparing these situations:

• $22M guaranteed next season, then either $23M in 2024-25 (current contract) or free agency in 2024-25, at which time he signs for minimum $8M plus
• $7.8M guaranteed next season and in 2024-25

Do you see that is a difference of considerably more than $6M over the next two seasons?

You should also realize that getting $14.2M more in 2023-24 (money sooner) matters a lot.

State tax is also a bit lower in Indiana than Colorado. Not a big deal, but a small benefit.

 

[General Malaise]

Lillard has officially asked out. Here we go

Fare thee well

 

[Capella]

Lillard has officially asked out. Here we go

Bro saw that Grant contract and said I gotta get outta here.

 

[Boston]

Thinking about that Bruce brown deal a little more, it is a little surprising that he would take that over staying in Denver, assuming there were no better offers.

It definitely has better upside between the potential for next year’s salary and the potential for a bigger role so that he could show off more and get paid more later, but he basically chose a guaranteed $22 million over a guaranteed $16 million to stay.

Maybe he didn’t trust the kroenkes to make things right down the line. (I probably wouldn’t.)

For a guy like Brown you only get so many opportunities to cash in...there is a good chance his value may never be higher due to winning a title...he has now put his family in a very good spot...if he rolls the dice and gets hurt or his play takes a step backwards he could easily miss his window.

Agree. I also don't follow the guaranteed $16M to stay. I understood that Denver could not offer him more than $7.8M for next season, then after that Denver could sign him to a 4 year contract starting at $14M per year. The $22M referenced here is next season. How could Denver have offered him $16M for next season?

If Bruce Brown stayed in Denver he would likely have pushed hard for a starting role over KCP (with merit).

From top to bottom everyone on that team knows and accepts their role (as of now). The last thing they need is any dissension over playing time (see: Hyland, Bones).

Bruce Brown outgrew his role and is now deservedly off to greener pastures as a starter somewhere else. Good for him, not as bad for Nuggets as may appear.

One of the keys to winning championships is getting quality minutes from your role players…one of the keys to sustained success and potentially winning more championships is not falling in love with role players and knowing when to let them walk…once you become a legit title contender you can find these players because they will find you.

 

[Yo Mama]

Lakers got Jaxson Hayes for a minimum gamble. I like the move, but they still need another big. I’d love to see them get Jock Landale. Sounds like Bamba might still be in the mix.

Just read up on some of his off-court stuff. I don’t like the move as much now.

 

[Yo Mama]

Lillard has officially asked out. Here we go

Bro saw that Grant contract and said I gotta get outta here.

Nice of him to wait for that Grant deal to be agreed to before asking out.

 

[Desert_Power]

Bartelstein strikes again, as the kings sign euro league mvp Sasha vezenkov to 3/20. Stretch 4 from the Greek league.

I like it. 40% career 3pt. Granted Euro 3's are about 1.5' closer, but this guy can shoot. The Kings still don't have a real 4, but they've got shooters everywhere. Now if Sabonis could get a little mid-range pop, I'd be even happier.

My only issue is the Kings haven’t done anything this offseason that they couldn’t have done without trading a first to get rid of Holmes. They still have some flexibility with how they structure things so maybe McNair has another move up his sleeve.

My guess is that they are desperately trying to extend Sabonis right now. Without him, they're an average team, at best. I think Monte knows this better than anyone. And if that's where the extra money goes, I'm OK with it.

I doubt anyone would outbid what the Kings could offer next year anyway, and the Kings can really jack up that offer by only using a little bit of cap space this offseason. So if that's where all of their remaining cap space (which still is $10m+ depending on how they structure things), that will be an awful move.

Thought the Kings would have made a run at PJ Washington instead of keeping Barnes.

 

[thecatch]

Bartelstein strikes again, as the kings sign euro league mvp Sasha vezenkov to 3/20. Stretch 4 from the Greek league.

I like it. 40% career 3pt. Granted Euro 3's are about 1.5' closer, but this guy can shoot. The Kings still don't have a real 4, but they've got shooters everywhere. Now if Sabonis could get a little mid-range pop, I'd be even happier.

My only issue is the Kings haven’t done anything this offseason that they couldn’t have done without trading a first to get rid of Holmes. They still have some flexibility with how they structure things so maybe McNair has another move up his sleeve.

My guess is that they are desperately trying to extend Sabonis right now. Without him, they're an average team, at best. I think Monte knows this better than anyone. And if that's where the extra money goes, I'm OK with it.

I doubt anyone would outbid what the Kings could offer next year anyway, and the Kings can really jack up that offer by only using a little bit of cap space this offseason. So if that's where all of their remaining cap space (which still is $10m+ depending on how they structure things), that will be an awful move.

Thought the Kings would have made a run at PJ Washington instead of keeping Barnes.

I thought so too when it looked like Barnes might get a big offer from someone else. I'm guessing Barnes's deal is a significant discount from what it would take to sign Washington to a deal Charlotte wouldn't match.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Wow, Kuzma returning to the Wizards - 4 years, $102M.

I don't really care about the Wizards, but thought their new GM was finally getting it. Woof.

He's signing him to trade him later for picks. Same with Jordan Poole. One or both will be gone later this year or next. They are good assets to have. Kuzma's numbers are slightly better than Jerami Grant's, but Kuzma if I read correctly has a contract for $5M less AAV. He rebounds and can hit 3s. Poole is definitely gonna put up numbers for no other reason than he's gonna have the ball in his hands. And if you get stuck with either it's not destructive to a rebuild (like paying Beal $45M/year was). Plus owner Leonsis should be thrilled they will be under the salary cap for 3-4 years during the process. Plus the GM got a ton of trade exception money in the process, which I assume he will save to buy a piece if they ever get relevant,

With the trade of Morris I would assume the Wiz are done until the trade deadline. Except for figuring out how to cut Gallinari.

That is some very wishful thinking about Poole and Kuzma. I like gambling on Poole, but he has to have at least a year and more likely 2 years of solid play before someone will take that deal and the cap has to go up. If someone wanted Kuzma they would have just signed him not let the Wizards sign him and trade assets for him 6 months later.

If they end up with those players for the life of their contracts I'm good with it. I do think one of them will play well enough to be moved.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Dame has asked to be traded specifically to Heat.

That Grant deal was bad even with Lillard. No ideal why they went that much or even duration. Better hope there's team options not known about

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Thinking about that Bruce brown deal a little more, it is a little surprising that he would take that over staying in Denver, assuming there were no better offers.

It definitely has better upside between the potential for next year’s salary and the potential for a bigger role so that he could show off more and get paid more later, but he basically chose a guaranteed $22 million over a guaranteed $16 million to stay.

Maybe he didn’t trust the kroenkes to make things right down the line. (I probably wouldn’t.)

For a guy like Brown you only get so many opportunities to cash in...there is a good chance his value may never be higher due to winning a title...he has now put his family in a very good spot...if he rolls the dice and gets hurt or his play takes a step backwards he could easily miss his window.

Agree. I also don't follow the guaranteed $16M to stay. I understood that Denver could not offer him more than $7.8M for next season, then after that Denver could sign him to a 4 year contract starting at $14M per year. The $22M referenced here is next season. How could Denver have offered him $16M for next season?

He could have gotten 7.8 this year with a Player option for next year. That is essentially $16 million guaranteed.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Thinking about that Bruce brown deal a little more, it is a little surprising that he would take that over staying in Denver, assuming there were no better offers.

It definitely has better upside between the potential for next year’s salary and the potential for a bigger role so that he could show off more and get paid more later, but he basically chose a guaranteed $22 million over a guaranteed $16 million to stay.

Maybe he didn’t trust the kroenkes to make things right down the line. (I probably wouldn’t.)

For a guy like Brown you only got so many opportunities to cash in...there is a good chance his value may never be higher due to winning a title...he has now put his family in a very good spot...if he rolls the dice and gets hurt or his play takes a step backwards he could easily miss his window.

I made this argument as well and certainly understand how this pacers deal is better, but from a strictly guaranteed money standpoint, it is only a difference of $6 million (assuming Denver would have given the 1+1 at 7.8), which is far closer than I anticipated it being.

So it seems you are comparing these situations:

• $22M guaranteed next season, then either $23M in 2024-25 (current contract) or free agency in 2024-25, at which time he signs for minimum $8M plus
• $7.8M guaranteed next season and in 2024-25

Do you see that is a difference of considerably more than $6M over the next two seasons?

You should also realize that getting $14.2M more in 2023-24 (money sooner) matters a lot.

State tax is also a bit lower in Indiana than Colorado. Not a big deal, but a small benefit.

I obviously get why the indiana deal is preferable and I acknowledged the greatest upside of the pacers deal. I’m just saying it is closer than many may realize when the deal was mainly reported as 2 for 45. I’m also mainly talking about what could be secured in a worst case scenario. Also, the nuggets would have basically been bird rights trapped with him anyway, so he had a good chance of getting $50 mill next year regardless.

Anyway, I’m not saying it was a bad move or that he did anything wrong in any way: just saying that the second year team option is a pretty big deal.

 

[Tau837]

I’m just saying it is closer than many may realize

I understand what you are saying, I just think it is way off base. IMO the two situations are not close at all from a financial perspective.

 

[msudaisy26]

Lakers got Jaxson Hayes for a minimum gamble. I like the move, but they still need another big. I’d love to see them get Jock Landale. Sounds like Bamba might still be in the mix.

Call up the Pistons I am sure they will part with one of their bigs for some Inn and Out burger.

Sorry I am still very upset with my team.

 

[Deamon]

Dame has asked to be traded specifically to Heat.

That Grant deal was bad even with Lillard. No ideal why they went that much or even duration. Better hope there's team options not known about

Dropping Dimes said a PNW star would be going to Miami asap, and then this happens. This guy is a legend.

 

[msudaisy26]

Lillard has officially asked out. Here we go

That is very surprising especially after the Grant deal.

 

[Deamon]

So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Dame has asked to be traded specifically to Heat.

That Grant deal was bad even with Lillard. No ideal why they went that much or even duration. Better hope there's team options not known about

Dropping Dimes said a PNW star would be going to Miami asap, and then this happens. This guy is a legend.

Pnw?

 

[Deamon]

Dame has asked to be traded specifically to Heat.

That Grant deal was bad even with Lillard. No ideal why they went that much or even duration. Better hope there's team options not known about

Dropping Dimes said a PNW star would be going to Miami asap, and then this happens. This guy is a legend.

Pnw?

pacific nw

 

[thecatch]

It’s really annoying that Twitter decided to go out today.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

D-Lo back to the lakers at 2/37 with player option

 

[Frostillicus]

So assuming Dame to Miami is going to happen, what realistically can they even give up for him?

It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

I'm not sure how this works with the trading picks rules but Miami owes there 2025 to OKC but it's lottery protected and it then conveys the next year unprotected if not in 2025. Does that preclude them from trading either pick?

 

[Capella]

It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

If he goes to Miami, Portland has to be doing him a favor. They got nothing but crap to offer.

 

[Schmeabs]

It's not going to be pretty. I was playing around with the trade machine and came up with Lowry, Herro, Jovic, Jaquez, and Martin with 3 firsts for Dame + Nurkic.

If he goes to Miami, Portland has to be doing him a favor. They got nothing but crap to offer.

Agreed. Portland could get much better from Philly or Brooklyn. I don't see Lillard going to Miami.

 

[the moops]

He could have gotten 7.8 this year with a Player option for next year. That is essentially $16 million guaranteed.

Instead he got a guaranteed 22.5 million for one year. How is this even a debate?

 

[Deamon]

Oh no, Beverley is a Sixer :(

 

[SoBeDad]

Agreed. Portland could get much better from Philly or Brooklyn. I don't see Lillard going to Miami.

Can Lillard force his trade to the 305? Miami is so hot right now a new area code, 645, is being added to 305 & 786.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Obi Toppled to Pacers for 2 2nds

Pat Beverley to 76ers

 

[Stoneworker]

He could have gotten 7.8 this year with a Player option for next year. That is essentially $16 million guaranteed.

Instead he got a guaranteed 22.5 million for one year. How is this even a debate?

Because some pro athletes factor winning championships into their career decision-making.

Kansas City Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce admits he thinks about how much more money he could be making if he "pressed the gas" on his contract, but ultimately, winning is more important to him.

Travis Kelce OK being underpaid

 

[the moops]

He could have gotten 7.8 this year with a Player option for next year. That is essentially $16 million guaranteed.

Instead he got a guaranteed 22.5 million for one year. How is this even a debate?

Because some pro athletes factor winning championships into their career decision-making.

Kansas City Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce admits he thinks about how much more money he could be making if he "pressed the gas" on his contract, but ultimately, winning is more important to him.

Travis Kelce OK being underpaid

If Travis Kelce could make 3 times as much in one year I am pretty confident he would no longer be a Chief

 

[Stoneworker]

He could have gotten 7.8 this year with a Player option for next year. That is essentially $16 million guaranteed.

Instead he got a guaranteed 22.5 million for one year. How is this even a debate?

Because some pro athletes factor winning championships into their career decision-making.

Kansas City Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce admits he thinks about how much more money he could be making if he "pressed the gas" on his contract, but ultimately, winning is more important to him.

Travis Kelce OK being underpaid

If Travis Kelce could make 3 times as much in one year I am pretty confident he would no longer be a Chief

Maximizing one year's earnings is a simplistic way of viewing the world.

Brown's decision was more about optimizing the combination of earnings + winning over a career.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

Reaves back to the Lakers for 4 years $56 million

Pelinka has been doing good work these last two days.

 

[Yo Mama]

Really surprised Austin Reaves didn’t end up getting any offers. Lakers getting him at their max for 4/$56m. Nice work for Lakers.

(Hoping this is true since it was the last tweet I saw before I hit my Twitter “Rate Limit” and can’t see any more tweets unless give money to the broke billionaire)

 

[thecatch]

Reaves back to the Lakers for 4 years $56 million

Pelinka has been doing good work these last two days.

Well he did give out the Rui Hachimura contract.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Sixers are going to do something really stupid and have no bench and lose in the second round again, arent they?

 

[scoobus]

The Pistons roster has 8 guards and 4 guys that can only play center or old school power forward. I liked the Troy Weaver hire a few years ago, but he has got to go now.

We have 4 wing players. Bodan, Livers, Buddy Boeheim, and the Thompson kid we just drafted. T

Love love love the Buddy Boeheim shoutout, but he ain't a wing.

 

[Yo Mama]

Reaves back to the Lakers for 4 years $56 million

Pelinka has been doing good work these last two days.

Well he did give out the Rui Hachimura contract.

It’s more than I was hoping for, but I prefer these mid to upper sized contracts (DLo too) than what Lakers had been doing the past few years with either max deals or 1-year minimum deals, which make any trades impossible and leads to no continuity. Glad they learned their lesson this year - lots more flexibility to roster build this way.

 

[scoobus]

From that maybe real, maybe fake account:

The Amateur NBA Analyst
@droppingdimes69
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Philadelphia will be included in this. It'll be one of the biggest three team deals in history.
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@ChrisBHaynes
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A potential Portland-Miami deal for Damian Lillard would almost certainly include the involvement of a third team, league sources tell @NBAonTNT, @BleacherReport.