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2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (8 Viewers)
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Kev4029
Footballguy
He's only made $15M in his career, taking that vs the Nuggets' offer was a no-brainer.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I’m nervous.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Dillon Brooks 4 years/$80M deal with Rockets.
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Tau837
Footballguy
Some of you guys are in Bizarro World on this. $22.5M vs. $7.8M this season is a nobrainer for a guy like Brown. Especially given that the implication of the contract is that he will get a bigger role with IND than DEN. It's not even a decision.
Major
Footballguy
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Either read more carefully and/or please link to where I said he shouldn't have taken the deal. I'm only answering why its being debated.
Tau837
Footballguy
Oh. So "Brown's decision was more about optimizing the combination of earnings + winning over a career" = you agree he should have taken the contract with IND. Turns out we agree.
"I'm only answering why it is being debated." It isn't being debated by anyone who isn't a Denver fan. Because there is literally no reasonable reason for anyone without a bias to debate it.
Kev4029
Footballguy
This might be about the worst signing since the calamity of 2016. Holy ****.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
At what one-year figure with second year team option would it not have been a "no-brainer?" That's what Brown's situation made me think about. Everyone's individual balance among winning, intangibles like team camaraderie and geography, and making coin.
Sorry if that doesn't fit into your little box of what is and isn't "reasonable" to discuss.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Rockets sign the Suns best center from last season. Jock Landale 4/32 (only year 1 is guaranteed)
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Jalen McDaniels 2yr $9.3mm to Toronto. Seems like one Sixers could have kept.
Every Morey move has ended up a net negative so far
Every Morey move has ended up a net negative so far
Tau837
Footballguy
Stop being obtuse. He is going to make $14M to $15M more in the upcoming season. That is not a debatable choice, period.
If any team offered him substantially more than Denver could, I would have the same reaction. It happened to be Indiana.
I don't have a "little box of what is and isn't reasonable to discuss." If you think there is a discussion about whether a guy should take a contract making $22M+ vs. stay with his current team and make $7.8M in the upcoming season, then you're in Bizarro World. I heard it's nice there, so maybe that's fine.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
DiVencenzo 4yr $50mm to the Knicks.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
The Joker enjoying life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxGgdJrh-XY
the moops
Footballguy
Bench of
PG: Fred VanVleet
SG - Max Strus
SF: Khris Middleton
PF: ???
C: Nikola Vucevic
Insein
Footballguy
I'm resigned to the fact that we're not winning a championship by who we bring in. The only way it happens is if Joel and Maxey elevate to a whole other level of play. I don't think that ever happens though.
identikit
Footballguy
YOU NOW HAVE BEVERLEY!!!!!
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Sounds like the Lamelo max is getting close.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Since the Lillard thing is so similar to the KG thing (superstar who wants to stay and win, stays for a long time, finally has to leave but reamins loved by the fans) so I finally did somethingi I have always wanted to do. I traced the entire legacy of the KG trade. It's definitely the nerdiest thing I've ever done - and that's a high bar - but I had nothing better to do today.
For example, KG was traded for (in part) Sebastien Telfar, who was traded Mark Blount, who was traded for Antoine Walker, who was traded for Kevin Love, who was traded for Thaddeus Young, who as traded for KG, who retired which ends that line.
So without further delay, here is everyong who played for the Wolves whose time here can be traced back to the big KG to the Celtics trade. So this is about what you can expect @General Malaise once Lillard is traded.
(bold means still on team)
Al Jefferson
Sebastian Telfair
Ryan Gomes
Gerald Green
Theo Ratliff
Wayne Ellington
Jonny Flynn
Kosta Koufos
Mark Blount
Martell Webster
Kirk Snyder
Paolao Prestes
Dante Cunningham
Eddy Curry
Anthony Randolph
Brad Miller
Nikola Mirotic
Chase Budinger
Lior Eiyahu
Michael Doleac
Wayne Simien
Antoine Walker
Tyus Jones
Norris Cole
Malcolm Lee
Damjan Rudez
Treveon Graham
Shabazz Napier
Luke Babbitt
Jason Collins
Kevin Love
Mike Miller
Lorenzo Brown
Alessandro Gentile
Allen Crabbe
Evan Turner
Malik Beasley
Juancho Hernangomez
Jarred Vanderbilt
Darko Milicic
Anthony Bennett
Andrew Wiggins
Thaddeus Young
Darius Songaila
Oleskiy Pecherov
Ricky Rubio (2nd time)
Jaden McDaniels
Rudy Gobert
Patrick Beverley
Jacob Evans
D'Angelo Russell
Omari Spellman
KG (2nd time)
Antonio Daniels
Josh Okogie
Taurean Prince
Josh Minott
Ed Davis
Mike Conley
Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Leonard Miller
Ed Davis
Jaylen Clark
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For example, KG was traded for (in part) Sebastien Telfar, who was traded Mark Blount, who was traded for Antoine Walker, who was traded for Kevin Love, who was traded for Thaddeus Young, who as traded for KG, who retired which ends that line.
So without further delay, here is everyong who played for the Wolves whose time here can be traced back to the big KG to the Celtics trade. So this is about what you can expect @General Malaise once Lillard is traded.
(bold means still on team)
Al Jefferson
Sebastian Telfair
Ryan Gomes
Gerald Green
Theo Ratliff
Wayne Ellington
Jonny Flynn
Kosta Koufos
Mark Blount
Martell Webster
Kirk Snyder
Paolao Prestes
Dante Cunningham
Eddy Curry
Anthony Randolph
Brad Miller
Nikola Mirotic
Chase Budinger
Lior Eiyahu
Michael Doleac
Wayne Simien
Antoine Walker
Tyus Jones
Norris Cole
Malcolm Lee
Damjan Rudez
Treveon Graham
Shabazz Napier
Luke Babbitt
Jason Collins
Kevin Love
Mike Miller
Lorenzo Brown
Alessandro Gentile
Allen Crabbe
Evan Turner
Malik Beasley
Juancho Hernangomez
Jarred Vanderbilt
Darko Milicic
Anthony Bennett
Andrew Wiggins
Thaddeus Young
Darius Songaila
Oleskiy Pecherov
Ricky Rubio (2nd time)
Jaden McDaniels
Rudy Gobert
Patrick Beverley
Jacob Evans
D'Angelo Russell
Omari Spellman
KG (2nd time)
Antonio Daniels
Josh Okogie
Taurean Prince
Josh Minott
Ed Davis
Mike Conley
Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Leonard Miller
Ed Davis
Jaylen Clark
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Can't believe Brooks GOT BOTH the AAV and length. I thought with how all ended in Memphis, he'd have to do a near vet min one year deal.
(I haven't looked deep into deal....maybe there's team options/no guarantees in there).
What he and FVV got is absolutely nuts. Both are average to below average NBA starters at their positions IMO. Why it's always laughable when I hear "they had money to spend!!". Ok well, don't tie it up moronically for the next many years on guys that have zero business making that type money
(I haven't looked deep into deal....maybe there's team options/no guarantees in there).
What he and FVV got is absolutely nuts. Both are average to below average NBA starters at their positions IMO. Why it's always laughable when I hear "they had money to spend!!". Ok well, don't tie it up moronically for the next many years on guys that have zero business making that type money
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Houston had a great draft. Think they had a horrific free agent period blowing money and locking up long term on marginal players.
I don't even know HTF Dillon Brooks fits on the team. And is FVV - a career 40% shooter - gonna give Amen Thompson shooting tips?
(Even though the money's insane, I can at least somewhat understand FVV with a vet PG angle).
Dillon there for the old "veteran leadership"?
I don't even know HTF Dillon Brooks fits on the team. And is FVV - a career 40% shooter - gonna give Amen Thompson shooting tips?
(Even though the money's insane, I can at least somewhat understand FVV with a vet PG angle).Dillon there for the old "veteran leadership"?
Capella
Footballguy
Trade trees! Rays fans on a blog I like do this. I think they have one going back to 2005 still active.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I thought it was done?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
When you are 6'6" and play on the Pistons you might as well be a power forward.
Capella
Footballguy
Brooks contract is the first one I literally laughed out loud at. Thought it had to be a fake Woj account. Houston’s offense is going to be breathtakingingly bad this year, might be my favorite league pass team.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Not sure if this is in here, but brook Lopez back to the bucks for 2/48. Pretty good deal for the bucks.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
It is kind of weird they they didn’t pay at least that much unless they just hated him
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Pistons free agency, pick up team options on Livers and Burks. Get two 2nd round picks to take on Joe Harris and his Forrest Gump like back, leaving only 10 million in cap space left.
The worst part is you could have held the Nets hostage and at least got a 1st from them. Instead they took 2nd round picks in 2027 and 2029. We are literally getting picks to scout 6th graders and not even good ones.
Hate Troy Weaver
The worst part is you could have held the Nets hostage and at least got a 1st from them. Instead they took 2nd round picks in 2027 and 2029. We are literally getting picks to scout 6th graders and not even good ones.
Hate Troy Weaver
the moops
Footballguy
Is it?
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Brooks deal has no options and is fully guaranteed. Yikes.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
He got the Ben Simmons treatment in the playoffs and it wrecked the Kings offense.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
And Kevon Looney became his father.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Dante Exum back in the league and signs with Mavs
Jeff Green to Rockets to babysit youngsters and probably Brooks
Jeff Green to Rockets to babysit youngsters and probably Brooks
FatMax
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He lead the NBA in rebounds. He led the Kings in assists as well. Assists ... from the center position. I hope he hits his midrange shot a little more consistently, but if he never shoots the ball outside of five feet, he's still worth the money.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Not sure what the heat trade will look like. They want to offload either Lowry or herro. Not sure about Duncan at this point and Caleb may or may not be in the deal
heat will likely take the lottery protection off the pick to okc to allow them to give 3 first rounders to Portland and then it just becomes which players get shuffled.
the only players safe in this deal are himmy and Bam and now Javier jaquez jr as he signed his contract and cannot be traded for 30 days. (Anyone else recently signed is also, I think, out of the picture).
let’s hope Riles brings this home and dame gets his ring. Heat are going to need to hit on a few more udfa guys for the foreseeable future bc they will have as many draft picks as I do.
heat will likely take the lottery protection off the pick to okc to allow them to give 3 first rounders to Portland and then it just becomes which players get shuffled.
the only players safe in this deal are himmy and Bam and now Javier jaquez jr as he signed his contract and cannot be traded for 30 days. (Anyone else recently signed is also, I think, out of the picture).
let’s hope Riles brings this home and dame gets his ring. Heat are going to need to hit on a few more udfa guys for the foreseeable future bc they will have as many draft picks as I do.
He was freaking awesome this year but in this day and age I don’t think anyone was going to outbid what the Kings could offer him next offseason. Centers just aren’t as valuable anymore. Maybe I’m underestimating the Pistons.
FatMax
Member
You may be right, but a center that you can run your offense through might be little more valuable. I guess the biggest reason I think this is good news is that they now have a core that is locked up for a few years. If you're going to make a run, you need some consistency. That, and I'm imagining the Kings offense without Sabonis ... and oooooof
Boston
Footballguy
I agree with this...also (and I am not taking a shot at the Kings by saying this just being truthful) the Kings are a franchise that has not been attractive to players for quite some time...they now are a good team that has players wanting to stay there and I think that is an important part of changing their culture and one of the keys to sustained success...this team is headed in the right direction right now.
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Letting him go 100% was not an option, I agree. I would have just rather tried to get another rotation player in FA this year first because I think the flight risk was relatively low. Like a Thybulle type (restricted but the Kings might have been able to offer something the Blazers wouldn’t have matched).
caustic
Footballguy
Love Obi in Indiana. Turner is a great frontcourt complement with his defense + spacing, should be a really fun team.Obi Toppled to Pacers for 2 2nds
the moops
Footballguy
Still don't think they can get to three picks. If they take the protections off, that pick to OKC conveys in 2025. Which means 2024, 2026 are off limits. so best MIA can offer the 2027 and 2029. 2031 is not eligible to be traded yet
There have been 10ish real headscratchers but did the most part I think signings have actually been fairly reasonable.
the moops
Footballguy
Not sure how anyone can love this. If Toppin wasn't a lottery pick nobody could care. He is a fine player but he can't shoot and is nothing to get excited about
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