2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (2 Viewers)

[Gatorman]

Good luck? With what? Portland has absolutely no incentive to trade Dame to Miami and only Miami. What, free agents won't come to Portland because Portland didn't accommodate Dame when Dame wanted it? Portland should hold out until offers start coming in. If Dame pouts his way out of here, who cares? He is the one that asked out. By asking out, Portland can now commit 100% to the young guys and let them get minutes. You think they're upset about that?

There are going to be other teams entering the fray, especially the longer this saga drags out. August is a dead period and we're knocking on that door. The leverage lives on this side of the Mississippi River.

Again, not sure what you are upset about here other than dame wanting out. Maybe that miami doesn’t have more assets to give?

very few teams are going to eat 30 mil a year to prove a point. I also have never seen an instance where a player wanting out doesnt eventually get his wish. (In any sport). Beal and Rodgers are the last two that this happened to (and went to where they wanted to go) KD wanted out and the nets were able to convince him to give it a go and he still ended up in PHO. We both know how this ends. The question will be who will go where to make it happen.

perhaps the ultimate issue is that the Portland GM would prefer Riley make the herro third team deal and until that is settled there will be no trade…

 

[General Malaise]

Good luck? With what? Portland has absolutely no incentive to trade Dame to Miami and only Miami. What, free agents won't come to Portland because Portland didn't accommodate Dame when Dame wanted it? Portland should hold out until offers start coming in. If Dame pouts his way out of here, who cares? He is the one that asked out. By asking out, Portland can now commit 100% to the young guys and let them get minutes. You think they're upset about that?

There are going to be other teams entering the fray, especially the longer this saga drags out. August is a dead period and we're knocking on that door. The leverage lives on this side of the Mississippi River.

Again, not sure what you are upset about here other than dame wanting out. Maybe that miami doesn’t have more assets to give?

very few teams are going to eat 30 mil a year to prove a point. I also have never seen an instance where a player wanting out doesnt eventually get his wish. (In any sport). Beal and Rodgers are the last two that this happened to (and went to where they wanted to go) KD wanted out and the nets were able to convince him to give it a go and he still ended up in PHO. We both know how this ends. The question will be who will go where to make it happen.

perhaps the ultimate issue is that the Portland GM would prefer Riley make the herro third team deal and until that is settled there will be no trade…

Certainly not upset, this is just sports. You said "Good luck with that" and I responded. I don't think Miami has the pieces to get this done. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. I know Dame is gone, that's fine. But I don't think he's going to get his wish here. There are a BUNCH of teams that would take Dame in a heartbeat. Portland has to do what's best for Portland, not Dame.

As far as comparisons go, KD has a history of being unhappy where he is, finding greener grass. He wanted out of Brooklyn, the Nets accommodated him and got *A TON* in return for him.

Bringing Aaron Rodgers into this doesn't really make a lot of sense. There are 32 starting QB jobs in the NFL. Most of those are occupied. Aaron didn't really have a lot of options, so yeah, he got to New York. Where else would he have been promised the starting job? You can't trade him in division or even in conference, so that whittled it down quite a bit.

There are WAY more options for Dame to go than Rodgers. And I think he's worthy of a haul like KD fetched. Maybe not THAT much, but something akin and if Joe Cronon - WHO'S JOB IS ON THE LINE HERE - is patient, more teams will come a calling. There is absolutely no reason to grant Dame's wish of going to Miami. None.

 

[Gatorman]

Good luck? With what? Portland has absolutely no incentive to trade Dame to Miami and only Miami. What, free agents won't come to Portland because Portland didn't accommodate Dame when Dame wanted it? Portland should hold out until offers start coming in. If Dame pouts his way out of here, who cares? He is the one that asked out. By asking out, Portland can now commit 100% to the young guys and let them get minutes. You think they're upset about that?

There are going to be other teams entering the fray, especially the longer this saga drags out. August is a dead period and we're knocking on that door. The leverage lives on this side of the Mississippi River.

Again, not sure what you are upset about here other than dame wanting out. Maybe that miami doesn’t have more assets to give?

very few teams are going to eat 30 mil a year to prove a point. I also have never seen an instance where a player wanting out doesnt eventually get his wish. (In any sport). Beal and Rodgers are the last two that this happened to (and went to where they wanted to go) KD wanted out and the nets were able to convince him to give it a go and he still ended up in PHO. We both know how this ends. The question will be who will go where to make it happen.

perhaps the ultimate issue is that the Portland GM would prefer Riley make the herro third team deal and until that is settled there will be no trade…

Certainly not upset, this is just sports. You said "Good luck with that" and I responded. I don't think Miami has the pieces to get this done. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. I know Dame is gone, that's fine. But I don't think he's going to get his wish here. There are a BUNCH of teams that would take Dame in a heartbeat. Portland has to do what's best for Portland, not Dame.

As far as comparisons go, KD has a history of being unhappy where he is, finding greener grass. He wanted out of Brooklyn, the Nets accommodated him and got *A TON* in return for him.

Bringing Aaron Rodgers into this doesn't really make a lot of sense. There are 32 starting QB jobs in the NFL. Most of those are occupied. Aaron didn't really have a lot of options, so yeah, he got to New York. Where else would he have been promised the starting job? You can't trade him in division or even in conference, so that whittled it down quite a bit.

There are WAY more options for Dame to go than Rodgers. And I think he's worthy of a haul like KD fetched. Maybe not THAT much, but something akin and if Joe Cronon - WHO'S JOB IS ON THE LINE HERE - is patient, more teams will come a calling. There is absolutely no reason to grant Dame's wish of going to Miami. None.

You are probably right, but few (maybe no) GMs are going to risk their necks to go out and get a guy who’s agent is saying “he won’t show” And give up more than the heat in the process.
let’s say philly does this and makes a trade that gets dame and somehow keeps embiid and maxey. What would be left on their roster after that to contend especially if dame sits out? Philly isn’t that desperate (yet) and they have harden to deal w first (and if harden went to Portland in a dame deal would you like that more or less than herro?)

same question with the nets or the Celtics. And those are title chance teams. what team is “a dame away “ from contention who would risk that? Miami is one of the few teams in the “win now” mode.
the only reason this isn’t done is cronons ego.

 

[coyote5]

I'll turn this around (and say what Lebatard said yesterday) who would be better than Herro in a trade for dame from any other team? Maxey? GTF out of here.

I like Herro, certainly more than most but Maxey is absolutely better than him and has a way better contract. It’s not really disputable.

I feel like Herro is more of a one-on-one offensive threat, but all factors included Maxey is a better player AND a better value.

yes its not even worth comparing. maxey just shows so much more with the eye test. really hoping harden gets moved so maxey can play more

Of course it is worth comparing. They are very similar overall players. Excellent offensive players, terrible defensive players. Only 10 months separating them in age. Both combo guards. Both play roughly 34/35 minutes per game.

If Hsrden moves, you won't see Maxey play substantially more minutes. Maybe one or two minutes more per game.

Career Numbers:

Robinson
21.0 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.4 blocks, 1.6 turnovers, 114 ORtg, 114 Drtg (per 100 possessions)
11.1 PER, 0.89 WS.48, 2.0 VORP in 281 games (Averaged 26.1 minutes per game)
Currently on a 3 year, $60M contract


Maxey
26.7 points, 4.6 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.5 blocks, 1.8 turnovers, 119 ORtg, 114 DRtg (per 100 possessions)
16.2 PER, .125 WS/48, 3.2 VORP in 196 games (Averaged 28.6 minutes per game)
Currently on a 1 year, $4.3M contract

Not trying to make a point . . . only adding comparables to discuss.

I'm confused by the Robinson stats. Who's are those really?

 

[General Malaise]

Good luck? With what? Portland has absolutely no incentive to trade Dame to Miami and only Miami. What, free agents won't come to Portland because Portland didn't accommodate Dame when Dame wanted it? Portland should hold out until offers start coming in. If Dame pouts his way out of here, who cares? He is the one that asked out. By asking out, Portland can now commit 100% to the young guys and let them get minutes. You think they're upset about that?

There are going to be other teams entering the fray, especially the longer this saga drags out. August is a dead period and we're knocking on that door. The leverage lives on this side of the Mississippi River.

Again, not sure what you are upset about here other than dame wanting out. Maybe that miami doesn’t have more assets to give?

very few teams are going to eat 30 mil a year to prove a point. I also have never seen an instance where a player wanting out doesnt eventually get his wish. (In any sport). Beal and Rodgers are the last two that this happened to (and went to where they wanted to go) KD wanted out and the nets were able to convince him to give it a go and he still ended up in PHO. We both know how this ends. The question will be who will go where to make it happen.

perhaps the ultimate issue is that the Portland GM would prefer Riley make the herro third team deal and until that is settled there will be no trade…

Certainly not upset, this is just sports. You said "Good luck with that" and I responded. I don't think Miami has the pieces to get this done. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. I know Dame is gone, that's fine. But I don't think he's going to get his wish here. There are a BUNCH of teams that would take Dame in a heartbeat. Portland has to do what's best for Portland, not Dame.

As far as comparisons go, KD has a history of being unhappy where he is, finding greener grass. He wanted out of Brooklyn, the Nets accommodated him and got *A TON* in return for him.

Bringing Aaron Rodgers into this doesn't really make a lot of sense. There are 32 starting QB jobs in the NFL. Most of those are occupied. Aaron didn't really have a lot of options, so yeah, he got to New York. Where else would he have been promised the starting job? You can't trade him in division or even in conference, so that whittled it down quite a bit.

There are WAY more options for Dame to go than Rodgers. And I think he's worthy of a haul like KD fetched. Maybe not THAT much, but something akin and if Joe Cronon - WHO'S JOB IS ON THE LINE HERE - is patient, more teams will come a calling. There is absolutely no reason to grant Dame's wish of going to Miami. None.

You are probably right, but few (maybe no) GMs are going to risk their necks to go out and get a guy who’s agent is saying “he won’t show” And give up more than the heat in the process.
let’s say philly does this and makes a trade that gets dame and somehow keeps embiid and maxey. What would be left on their roster after that to contend especially if dame sits out? Philly isn’t that desperate (yet) and they have harden to deal w first (and if harden went to Portland in a dame deal would you like that more or less than herro?)

same question with the nets or the Celtics. And those are title chance teams. what team is “a dame away “ from contention who would risk that? Miami is one of the few teams in the “win now” mode.
the only reason this isn’t done is cronons ego.

Cronin isn't seasoned enough nor secure enough in his role to have an ego. That's not even up for debate. He might be egotistical but he certainly hasn't earned that. Guy's been on the job a year and his entire career hinges on this deal, imo. He has to do what's best for Portland, not Dame. Failure to do so and he's gone. No pressure or anything....

I'd rather have Herro than Harden but I don't want either as a linchpin to this deal and again, Portland doesn't need another guard. They have like 7 of them. Harden does nothing for Portland but slow the development of the puppies. Why would Portland want that?

What Dame chooses to do after a trade isn't a concern Portland should have. It might impede their ability to deal him, but again, there is no incentive for Portland to deal him to Miami and Miami only. This isn't a charity it's a business.

The Bucks, Utah and San Antonio could all be in play here too. The narrative that it's "Miami or Bust" is coming from Heat fans and Heat fans only. It helps having a mouthpiece like Le Betard shouting it out to augment the sentiment but it doesn't make it a reality. Just makes it loud.

 

[General Malaise]

Maybe Miami should trade Herro for Harden.

Toss in Omar Asik and who says no?

 

[General Malaise]

I'll turn this around (and say what Lebatard said yesterday) who would be better than Herro in a trade for dame from any other team? Maxey? GTF out of here.

I like Herro, certainly more than most but Maxey is absolutely better than him and has a way better contract. It’s not really disputable.

I feel like Herro is more of a one-on-one offensive threat, but all factors included Maxey is a better player AND a better value.

yes its not even worth comparing. maxey just shows so much more with the eye test. really hoping harden gets moved so maxey can play more

Of course it is worth comparing. They are very similar overall players. Excellent offensive players, terrible defensive players. Only 10 months separating them in age. Both combo guards. Both play roughly 34/35 minutes per game.

If Hsrden moves, you won't see Maxey play substantially more minutes. Maybe one or two minutes more per game.

Career Numbers:

Robinson
21.0 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.4 blocks, 1.6 turnovers, 114 ORtg, 114 Drtg (per 100 possessions)
11.1 PER, 0.89 WS.48, 2.0 VORP in 281 games (Averaged 26.1 minutes per game)
Currently on a 3 year, $60M contract


Maxey
26.7 points, 4.6 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.5 blocks, 1.8 turnovers, 119 ORtg, 114 DRtg (per 100 possessions)
16.2 PER, .125 WS/48, 3.2 VORP in 196 games (Averaged 28.6 minutes per game)
Currently on a 1 year, $4.3M contract

Not trying to make a point . . . only adding comparables to discuss.

I'm confused by the Robinson stats. Who's are those really?

I think those are advanced metrics using per 100 possessions? I remember some advanced metrics that spit out Greg Oden as the best rebounder in the NBA once and had a nice chuckle.

 

[coyote5]

I'll turn this around (and say what Lebatard said yesterday) who would be better than Herro in a trade for dame from any other team? Maxey? GTF out of here.

I like Herro, certainly more than most but Maxey is absolutely better than him and has a way better contract. It’s not really disputable.

I feel like Herro is more of a one-on-one offensive threat, but all factors included Maxey is a better player AND a better value.

yes its not even worth comparing. maxey just shows so much more with the eye test. really hoping harden gets moved so maxey can play more

Of course it is worth comparing. They are very similar overall players. Excellent offensive players, terrible defensive players. Only 10 months separating them in age. Both combo guards. Both play roughly 34/35 minutes per game.

If Hsrden moves, you won't see Maxey play substantially more minutes. Maybe one or two minutes more per game.

Career Numbers:

Robinson
21.0 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.4 blocks, 1.6 turnovers, 114 ORtg, 114 Drtg (per 100 possessions)
11.1 PER, 0.89 WS.48, 2.0 VORP in 281 games (Averaged 26.1 minutes per game)
Currently on a 3 year, $60M contract


Maxey
26.7 points, 4.6 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.5 blocks, 1.8 turnovers, 119 ORtg, 114 DRtg (per 100 possessions)
16.2 PER, .125 WS/48, 3.2 VORP in 196 games (Averaged 28.6 minutes per game)
Currently on a 1 year, $4.3M contract

Not trying to make a point . . . only adding comparables to discuss.

I'm confused by the Robinson stats. Who's are those really?

I think those are advanced metrics using per 100 possessions? I remember some advanced metrics that spit out Greg Oden as the best rebounder in the NBA once and had a nice chuckle.

Thanks, now that I look more closely, the per/100 is right there in the description. Glossed over that part

 

[General Malaise]

I'll turn this around (and say what Lebatard said yesterday) who would be better than Herro in a trade for dame from any other team? Maxey? GTF out of here.

I like Herro, certainly more than most but Maxey is absolutely better than him and has a way better contract. It’s not really disputable.

I feel like Herro is more of a one-on-one offensive threat, but all factors included Maxey is a better player AND a better value.

yes its not even worth comparing. maxey just shows so much more with the eye test. really hoping harden gets moved so maxey can play more

Of course it is worth comparing. They are very similar overall players. Excellent offensive players, terrible defensive players. Only 10 months separating them in age. Both combo guards. Both play roughly 34/35 minutes per game.

If Hsrden moves, you won't see Maxey play substantially more minutes. Maybe one or two minutes more per game.

Career Numbers:

Robinson
21.0 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.4 blocks, 1.6 turnovers, 114 ORtg, 114 Drtg (per 100 possessions)
11.1 PER, 0.89 WS.48, 2.0 VORP in 281 games (Averaged 26.1 minutes per game)
Currently on a 3 year, $60M contract


Maxey
26.7 points, 4.6 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.5 blocks, 1.8 turnovers, 119 ORtg, 114 DRtg (per 100 possessions)
16.2 PER, .125 WS/48, 3.2 VORP in 196 games (Averaged 28.6 minutes per game)
Currently on a 1 year, $4.3M contract

Not trying to make a point . . . only adding comparables to discuss.

I'm confused by the Robinson stats. Who's are those really?

I think those are advanced metrics using per 100 possessions? I remember some advanced metrics that spit out Greg Oden as the best rebounder in the NBA once and had a nice chuckle.

Thanks, now that I look more closely, the per/100 is right there in the description. Glossed over that part

Took me a bit before remembering that Anarchy dabbles in the black magic of advanced stats.

 

[Gatorman]

Maybe Miami should trade Herro for Harden.

Toss in Omar Asik and who says no?

i think miami would dabble here if dame falls through.

Miami or bust is coming from dame. The fact he said he wants to come here likely diminished their interest in Beal. They could screw him over (again) but I don’t think that makes Cronin look any better.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I wouldn’t really call per/100 poss stats “advanced”

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Maybe Miami should trade Herro for Harden.

Toss in Omar Asik and who says no?

i think miami would dabble here if dame falls through.

Miami or bust is coming from dame. The fact he said he wants to come here likely diminished their interest in Beal. They could screw him over (again) but I don’t think that makes Cronin look any better.

So hard to imagine harden working within the heat organization.

He also might die being that close to south beach so often.

 

[General Malaise]

Maybe Miami should trade Herro for Harden.

Toss in Omar Asik and who says no?

i think miami would dabble here if dame falls through.

Miami or bust is coming from dame. The fact he said he wants to come here likely diminished their interest in Beal. They could screw him over (again) but I don’t think that makes Cronin look any better.

It's coming from his agent, not Dame. Goodwin is an alpha but it's not up to him nor Dame. Cronin doesn't have a reputation at all so looking good or looking bad is irrelevant here. Looking "employed" is his only goal. Dame doesn't have a "no-trade clause" so Cronin has no obligation to fulfill the wishes of a man who wants out. He has one obligation - do what's best for Portland. That's it.

Harden in Miami would be fun for all. That's a reality TV show I'd subscribe to if it followed him into scrip clubs.

 

[General Malaise]

I wouldn’t really call per/100 poss stats “advanced”

Anything above college algebra is advanced to me, sir.

 

[Gatorman]

Maybe Miami should trade Herro for Harden.

Toss in Omar Asik and who says no?

i think miami would dabble here if dame falls through.

Miami or bust is coming from dame. The fact he said he wants to come here likely diminished their interest in Beal. They could screw him over (again) but I don’t think that makes Cronin look any better.

It's coming from his agent, not Dame. Goodwin is an alpha but it's not up to him nor Dame. Cronin doesn't have a reputation at all so looking good or looking bad is irrelevant here. Looking "employed" is his only goal. Dame doesn't have a "no-trade clause" so Cronin has no obligation to fulfill the wishes of a man who wants out. He has one obligation - do what's best for Portland. That's it.

Harden in Miami would be fun for all. That's a reality TV show I'd subscribe to if it followed him into scrip clubs.

Oh, for sure. harden and Miami seem like Dion waiters 2.0

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Nerlens Noel is somehow only 29? When I went to look him up today I thought he was like 34. Appears he may have the body of a 44 year old.

Monty can never have too many Kentucky guys.

Monty?

i assume he means Monte McNair

Yeah, I don't know why I keep misspelling it.

You could talk to him directly about it …

https://twitter.com/mmcnair/status/1681780869235904512?s=46&t=GyZ_5RtGJgIaHCHb5LsW_Q

 

[Navin Johnson]

I'll turn this around (and say what Lebatard said yesterday) who would be better than Herro in a trade for dame from any other team? Maxey? GTF out of here.

I like Herro, certainly more than most but Maxey is absolutely better than him and has a way better contract. It’s not really disputable.

I feel like Herro is more of a one-on-one offensive threat, but all factors included Maxey is a better player AND a better value.

yes its not even worth comparing. maxey just shows so much more with the eye test. really hoping harden gets moved so maxey can play more

Of course it is worth comparing. They are very similar overall players. Excellent offensive players, terrible defensive players. Only 10 months separating them in age. Both combo guards. Both play roughly 34/35 minutes per game.

If Hsrden moves, you won't see Maxey play substantially more minutes. Maybe one or two minutes more per game.

Career Numbers:

Robinson
21.0 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.4 blocks, 1.6 turnovers, 114 ORtg, 114 Drtg (per 100 possessions)
11.1 PER, 0.89 WS.48, 2.0 VORP in 281 games (Averaged 26.1 minutes per game)
Currently on a 3 year, $60M contract


Maxey
26.7 points, 4.6 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.5 blocks, 1.8 turnovers, 119 ORtg, 114 DRtg (per 100 possessions)
16.2 PER, .125 WS/48, 3.2 VORP in 196 games (Averaged 28.6 minutes per game)
Currently on a 1 year, $4.3M contract

Not trying to make a point . . . only adding comparables to discuss.

I'm confused by the Robinson stats. Who's are those really?

I think those are advanced metrics using per 100 possessions? I remember some advanced metrics that spit out Greg Oden as the best rebounder in the NBA once and had a nice chuckle.

Thanks, now that I look more closely, the per/100 is right there in the description. Glossed over that part

Took me a bit before remembering that Anarchy dabbles in the black magic of advanced stats.

Those advanced stars that have BOS as prohibitive favorites every post season

 

[Jayrod]

I'll turn this around (and say what Lebatard said yesterday) who would be better than Herro in a trade for dame from any other team? Maxey? GTF out of here.

I like Herro, certainly more than most but Maxey is absolutely better than him and has a way better contract. It’s not really disputable.

I feel like Herro is more of a one-on-one offensive threat, but all factors included Maxey is a better player AND a better value.

yes its not even worth comparing. maxey just shows so much more with the eye test. really hoping harden gets moved so maxey can play more

Of course it is worth comparing. They are very similar overall players. Excellent offensive players, terrible defensive players. Only 10 months separating them in age. Both combo guards. Both play roughly 34/35 minutes per game.

If Hsrden moves, you won't see Maxey play substantially more minutes. Maybe one or two minutes more per game.

Career Numbers:

Robinson
21.0 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.4 blocks, 1.6 turnovers, 114 ORtg, 114 Drtg (per 100 possessions)
11.1 PER, 0.89 WS.48, 2.0 VORP in 281 games (Averaged 26.1 minutes per game)
Currently on a 3 year, $60M contract


Maxey
26.7 points, 4.6 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.5 blocks, 1.8 turnovers, 119 ORtg, 114 DRtg (per 100 possessions)
16.2 PER, .125 WS/48, 3.2 VORP in 196 games (Averaged 28.6 minutes per game)
Currently on a 1 year, $4.3M contract

Not trying to make a point . . . only adding comparables to discuss.

I'm confused by the Robinson stats. Who's are those really?

I think those are advanced metrics using per 100 possessions? I remember some advanced metrics that spit out Greg Oden as the best rebounder in the NBA once and had a nice chuckle.

Thanks, now that I look more closely, the per/100 is right there in the description. Glossed over that part

Took me a bit before remembering that Anarchy dabbles in the black magic of advanced stats.

Those advanced stars that have BOS as prohibitive favorites every post season

On paper, they were the best team in the East this season and just choked against Miami.

Also 2 years ago, Golden State dogged it during the season so it was tough to properly value them, but Boston did make the Finals.

So while it can't account for everything, it hasn't been that far off on Boston.

 

[Capella]

I'll turn this around (and say what Lebatard said yesterday) who would be better than Herro in a trade for dame from any other team? Maxey? GTF out of here.

I like Herro, certainly more than most but Maxey is absolutely better than him and has a way better contract. It’s not really disputable.

I feel like Herro is more of a one-on-one offensive threat, but all factors included Maxey is a better player AND a better value.

yes its not even worth comparing. maxey just shows so much more with the eye test. really hoping harden gets moved so maxey can play more

Of course it is worth comparing. They are very similar overall players. Excellent offensive players, terrible defensive players. Only 10 months separating them in age. Both combo guards. Both play roughly 34/35 minutes per game.

If Hsrden moves, you won't see Maxey play substantially more minutes. Maybe one or two minutes more per game.

Career Numbers:

Robinson
21.0 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.4 blocks, 1.6 turnovers, 114 ORtg, 114 Drtg (per 100 possessions)
11.1 PER, 0.89 WS.48, 2.0 VORP in 281 games (Averaged 26.1 minutes per game)
Currently on a 3 year, $60M contract


Maxey
26.7 points, 4.6 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.5 blocks, 1.8 turnovers, 119 ORtg, 114 DRtg (per 100 possessions)
16.2 PER, .125 WS/48, 3.2 VORP in 196 games (Averaged 28.6 minutes per game)
Currently on a 1 year, $4.3M contract

Not trying to make a point . . . only adding comparables to discuss.

I'm confused by the Robinson stats. Who's are those really?

I think those are advanced metrics using per 100 possessions? I remember some advanced metrics that spit out Greg Oden as the best rebounder in the NBA once and had a nice chuckle.

Thanks, now that I look more closely, the per/100 is right there in the description. Glossed over that part

Took me a bit before remembering that Anarchy dabbles in the black magic of advanced stats.

Those advanced stars that have BOS as prohibitive favorites every post season

On paper, they were the best team in the East this season and just choked against Miami.

Also 2 years ago, Golden State dogged it during the season so it was tough to properly value them, but Boston did make the Finals.

So while it can't account for everything, it hasn't been that far off on Boston.

The espn one loved the Clippers last year. Think it had them at 50% last year to win the title.

 

[Gatorman]

I'll turn this around (and say what Lebatard said yesterday) who would be better than Herro in a trade for dame from any other team? Maxey? GTF out of here.

I like Herro, certainly more than most but Maxey is absolutely better than him and has a way better contract. It’s not really disputable.

I feel like Herro is more of a one-on-one offensive threat, but all factors included Maxey is a better player AND a better value.

yes its not even worth comparing. maxey just shows so much more with the eye test. really hoping harden gets moved so maxey can play more

Of course it is worth comparing. They are very similar overall players. Excellent offensive players, terrible defensive players. Only 10 months separating them in age. Both combo guards. Both play roughly 34/35 minutes per game.

If Hsrden moves, you won't see Maxey play substantially more minutes. Maybe one or two minutes more per game.

Career Numbers:

Robinson
21.0 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.4 blocks, 1.6 turnovers, 114 ORtg, 114 Drtg (per 100 possessions)
11.1 PER, 0.89 WS.48, 2.0 VORP in 281 games (Averaged 26.1 minutes per game)
Currently on a 3 year, $60M contract


Maxey
26.7 points, 4.6 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.5 blocks, 1.8 turnovers, 119 ORtg, 114 DRtg (per 100 possessions)
16.2 PER, .125 WS/48, 3.2 VORP in 196 games (Averaged 28.6 minutes per game)
Currently on a 1 year, $4.3M contract

Not trying to make a point . . . only adding comparables to discuss.

I'm confused by the Robinson stats. Who's are those really?

I think those are advanced metrics using per 100 possessions? I remember some advanced metrics that spit out Greg Oden as the best rebounder in the NBA once and had a nice chuckle.

Thanks, now that I look more closely, the per/100 is right there in the description. Glossed over that part

Took me a bit before remembering that Anarchy dabbles in the black magic of advanced stats.

Those advanced stars that have BOS as prohibitive favorites every post season

On paper, they were the best team in the East this season and just choked against Miami.

Also 2 years ago, Golden State dogged it during the season so it was tough to properly value them, but Boston did make the Finals.

So while it can't account for everything, it hasn't been that far off on Boston.

Jaylen Brown's inability to go left is exposed in a 7 game series. Spo coached his rear end off until they got to Denver. Not saying him swapping Love back in for Martin in game one would have changed the series (especially since it was a 4-1 drubbing). Also, too many players in Green like to argue with the refs instead of getting back on D.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Bulls resign Ayo 3/21

 

[Juxtatarot]

Bulls resign Ayo 3/21

Likely another example of bidding against no one.

 

[the moops]

Bulls resign Ayo 3/21

Likely
another example of bidding against no one.

He could have just signed the one year qualifying offer of 5.2 million and then Bulls would have lost all control of him next year. This is a good result for both parties, IMO

 

[Juxtatarot]

Bulls resign Ayo 3/21

Likely another example of bidding against no one.

He could have just signed the one year qualifying offer of 5.2 million and then Bulls would have lost all control of him next year. This is a good result for both parties, IMO

I don’t know. If he continues to shoot 31% from 3, he’s not worth that.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Bulls resign Ayo 3/21

Likely
another example of bidding against no one.

He could have just signed the one year qualifying offer of 5.2 million and then Bulls would have lost all control of him next year. This is a good result for both parties, IMO

Some geeky CBA stuff from Bobby Marks:

Some background with Ayo Dosunmu

On the surface you would assume that Dosunmu should have signed the one-year $5.2M Qualifying Offer and entered free agency in 2024.

However, because Chicago signed him to a two-year deal in 2021 (the non-tax midlevel went to Alex Caruso and Marko Simonovic), Dosunmu once again would have been a restricted free agent in 2024.

A player with 3 years of service (unless it is a first rd. pick that had a team option declined) is a RFA.

The new second round exception rule should eliminate this issue moving forward.

 

[the moops]

Bulls resign Ayo 3/21

Likely another example of bidding against no one.

He could have just signed the one year qualifying offer of 5.2 million and then Bulls would have lost all control of him next year. This is a good result for both parties, IMO

I don’t know. If he continues to shoot 31% from 3, he’s not worth that.

He shot 38% the previous year. And shot 81% from the line this year. It's hard to know what his true shooting skill is, but 7 million a year is peanuts in today's NBA and he is easily moved if he doesn't live up to it

 

[msudaisy26]

Bulls resign Ayo 3/21

Likely another example of bidding against no one.

He could have just signed the one year qualifying offer of 5.2 million and then Bulls would have lost all control of him next year. This is a good result for both parties, IMO

I don’t know. If he continues to shoot 31% from 3, he’s not worth that.

He shot 38% the previous year. And shot 81% from the line this year. It's hard to know what his true shooting skill is, but 7 million a year is peanuts in today's NBA and he is easily moved if he doesn't live up to it

7 million a year is half of what the Pistons pay their bigs who can't shoot at all.

 

[msudaisy26]

Basketball Hall of Famer Tim Hardaway Sr. says Bol can be better than Wemby:

“I think he’s better than Victor Wembanyama. Bol Bol has better physical talent and ready to play in the NBA right now than Victor is,” said Hardaway.

Umm...

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

He shot 38% the previous year. And shot 81% from the line this year. It's hard to know what his true shooting skill is, but 7 million a year is peanuts in today's NBA and he is easily moved if he doesn't live up to it

I think he will have a strong bounce-back year.

He had a lot dropped on his plate last season: Ball was out, then Caruso and White got hurt, and Dragic got suddenly old. Ayo was then tasked with running the offense with high volume users in Lavine and DeRozan, while on the other end, also having to make up for the defensive inefficiency of those two.

Billy ran him ragged.

 

[the moops]

He shot 38% the previous year. And shot 81% from the line this year. It's hard to know what his true shooting skill is, but 7 million a year is peanuts in today's NBA and he is easily moved if he doesn't live up to it

I think he will have a strong bounce-back year.

He had a lot dropped on his plate last season: Ball was out, then Caruso and White got hurt, and Dragic got suddenly old. Ayo was then tasked with running the offense with high volume users in Lavine and DeRozan, while on the other end, also having to make up for the defensive inefficiency of those two.

Billy ran him ragged.

I'm rooting for him. I only saw him a few times last year but liked what I saw.

I find myself rooting for more players these days - as I become less of a Celtic fan and more of a fan of watching good basketball. It makes me just wish players reach their potential so we can see really good ball. I root for everyone but Draymond. **** that guy

 

[Frostillicus]

He shot 38% the previous year. And shot 81% from the line this year. It's hard to know what his true shooting skill is, but 7 million a year is peanuts in today's NBA and he is easily moved if he doesn't live up to it

I think he will have a strong bounce-back year.

He had a lot dropped on his plate last season: Ball was out, then Caruso and White got hurt, and Dragic got suddenly old. Ayo was then tasked with running the offense with high volume users in Lavine and DeRozan, while on the other end, also having to make up for the defensive inefficiency of those two.

Billy ran him ragged.

I'm rooting for him. I only saw him a few times last year but liked what I saw.

I find myself rooting for more players these days - as I become less of a Celtic fan and more of a fan of watching good basketball. It makes me just wish players reach their potential so we can see really good ball. I root for everyone but Draymond. **** that guy

Same. I'll always dislike Ja and LaMelo, but mostly I just want to see good basketball.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

He shot 38% the previous year. And shot 81% from the line this year. It's hard to know what his true shooting skill is, but 7 million a year is peanuts in today's NBA and he is easily moved if he doesn't live up to it

I think he will have a strong bounce-back year.

He had a lot dropped on his plate last season: Ball was out, then Caruso and White got hurt, and Dragic got suddenly old. Ayo was then tasked with running the offense with high volume users in Lavine and DeRozan, while on the other end, also having to make up for the defensive inefficiency of those two.

Billy ran him ragged.

This.

I like the signings of Coby and Ayo. Young and upside still there. Do I think that happens offensively with both DeRozan and Lavine there? Nope!

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Austin Reeves’ Top 5 SGs of all time:

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Harden
5. Brandon Roy

 

[identikit]

Buehler.......Buehler

 

[AAABatteries]

Not sure where to put this but apparently Brony James suffered a cardiac arrest during USC workout - in stable condition.

Bronny James suffers cardiac arrest at USC workout and is in stable condition

The 18-year-old son of Lakers star LeBron James suffers cardiac arrest during a USC workout Monday. His family says he is in stable condition.

www.latimes.com

 

[Da Guru]

Not sure where to put this but apparently Brony James suffered a cardiac arrest during USC workout - in stable condition.

Bronny James suffers cardiac arrest at USC workout and is in stable condition

The 18-year-old son of Lakers star LeBron James suffers cardiac arrest during a USC workout Monday. His family says he is in stable condition.

www.latimes.com

Terrible to have that happen at 18. Might be the end of competitive BB.

 

[AAABatteries]

Not sure where to put this but apparently Brony James suffered a cardiac arrest during USC workout - in stable condition.

Bronny James suffers cardiac arrest at USC workout and is in stable condition

The 18-year-old son of Lakers star LeBron James suffers cardiac arrest during a USC workout Monday. His family says he is in stable condition.

www.latimes.com

Terrible to have that happen at 18. Might be the end of competitive BB.

I had that thought too. Glad he appears to be ok but it will suck if it derails his college and potential pro career.

 

[Yo Mama]

Jaylen Brown signs the super-duper max - $304M, fully insured with no options and a trade kicker. Whew.

Richest NBA contract ever.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Jaylen Brown signs the super-duper max - &304M, fully insured with no options and a trade kicker. Whew.

Richest NBA contract ever.

Hard to see him living up to that price tag

 

[Snotbubbles]

Good luck? With what? Portland has absolutely no incentive to trade Dame to Miami and only Miami. What, free agents won't come to Portland because Portland didn't accommodate Dame when Dame wanted it? Portland should hold out until offers start coming in. If Dame pouts his way out of here, who cares? He is the one that asked out. By asking out, Portland can now commit 100% to the young guys and let them get minutes. You think they're upset about that?

There are going to be other teams entering the fray, especially the longer this saga drags out. August is a dead period and we're knocking on that door. The leverage lives on this side of the Mississippi River.

Again, not sure what you are upset about here other than dame wanting out. Maybe that miami doesn’t have more assets to give?

very few teams are going to eat 30 mil a year to prove a point. I also have never seen an instance where a player wanting out doesnt eventually get his wish. (In any sport). Beal and Rodgers are the last two that this happened to (and went to where they wanted to go) KD wanted out and the nets were able to convince him to give it a go and he still ended up in PHO. We both know how this ends. The question will be who will go where to make it happen.

perhaps the ultimate issue is that the Portland GM would prefer Riley make the herro third team deal and until that is settled there will be no trade…

Kobe Bryant comes to mind.

 

[thecatch]

Jaylen Brown signs the super-duper max - &304M, fully insured with no options and a trade kicker. Whew.

Richest NBA contract ever.

It sounds like it is tied to a percentage of the cap too, so the number goes higher if the cap increases (at least that’s how I’m interpreting Bobby Marks’s tweets).

 

[Anarchy99]

Saw some discussion on Brown and the panel agreed there was a 0% chance Brown would stay in BOS for 6 more years if they didn't win a title (last year on current contract then the 5 year extension). They generally felt he didn't seem like he was totally committed to Boston the team or Boston the city. The huge contract doesn't change that he feels that he is Robin and still wants to be Batman. Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

 

[caustic]

Certainly doesn't seem like a positive value contract for Brown, but he'll still be tradable barring a huge falloff. Obviously better than letting him walk, and probably better than trading him right now given the Celtics' championship aspirations. The "richest contract ever" titles don't last long, anyway - remember when that distinction belonged to Mike Conley's jaw-dropping $150 million deal in 2016?

 

[Frostillicus]

Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

This is what a lot of people never quite seem to realize.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

Well they could let him walk and use $304M in other ways. You telling me there's no other way to build Jaylen Brown as a combo of two players? You could find a player that has no left hand, and another that can't shoot.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

Well they could let him walk and use $304M in other ways. You telling me there's no other way to build Jaylen Brown as a combo of two players? You could find a player that has no left hand, and another that can't shoot.

Yeah, signing him wasn't the only option. I wonder if Lillard wasn't so hard up to go to Miami if a deal with Boston wouldn't have been good for both teams.

ETA: Another guy who might make sense is Ja Morant. He's getting on thin ice in Memphis. Jaylen Brown would be a good get for them if they decided to sell. Well before Brown signed this monstrosity and got a trade kicker.

 

[Anarchy99]

Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

Well they could let him walk and use $304M in other ways. You telling me there's no other way to build Jaylen Brown as a combo of two players? You could find a player that has no left hand, and another that can't shoot.

BOS has been a Final 4 team multiple times in the past few seasons. If they don't have Brown, the chances of them staying in that category drop dramatically. If they didn't extend Brown, all they could do would be to trade him for pennies on the dollar with only one season left on his deal. Whoever acquired him would have to be concerned he wouldn't stick around (and then have to give him a massive contract if he did want to stay). Boston would likely take on a bad contract or two to match contract value and maybe a couple of so so draft picks. Or as you suggest, they could lose him for nothing.

That would derail their title hopes in the short term. Could they reallocate $300+ million over the next 6 years? Sure. Just tell me which two players they should draft or bring in. Boston is not a free agent destination, so I would expect that would not be as easy as you are making it out to be. And the draft picks wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the draft, as they would certainly be protected.

As for swapping Brown for Lillard, Lillard shut that talk down immediately and wanted no part of Boston. The best option for Boston was to see if they can win with the reconfigured roster. If that doesn't work and Brown still isn't enthusiastic about being a Celtic, they could move him with lots of years on his contract. That would net them more than nothing if he left in free agency and more than if he was a lame duck demanding out with a year on his contract.

 

[Frostillicus]

1. Trade him.
2. sign him to the max
3. let him go

If you do #3, since Boston is over the cap they don't just get that money to sign different players - they lose it.

 

[Capella]

Saw some discussion on Brown and the panel agreed there was a 0% chance Brown would stay in BOS for 6 more years if they didn't win a title (last year on current contract then the 5 year extension). They generally felt he didn't seem like he was totally committed to Boston the team or Boston the city. The huge contract doesn't change that he feels that he is Robin and still wants to be Batman. Seems like a huge overpay, but that's life in today's NBA. The team really had no other choice but to give him a supermax.

What team would take him on with that contract? He’s certainly a top-25 or 30 player but at that price he has to become one of the worst ‘assets’ (I hate calling humans that) in the league.

 

[Jayrod]

As a Boston fan, there was no way they let him go. He was going to get his money and honestly, deservedly so.

With Brown, they are still a legit contender. Without him, they are what the Blazers have been.