2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Message board poster furiously types out one more horrible post before thread closes (1 Viewer)

[msudaisy26]

Let's go Pacers. We need more basketball!

 

[msudaisy26]

Horford is so dumb. You slap him in the arms, then put your hands up like you didn't foul him, then get upset they called a foul.

 

[Major]

Horford is so dumb. You slap him in the arms, then put your hands up like you didn't foul him, then get upset they called a foul.

He's a 5x MVP winner. Cut him some slack.

 

[msudaisy26]

I thought last game was just a good game, but I think we are seeing a Nembhard breakout.

 

[Frostillicus]

KAT played great against Denver. Can we give this group, who had never won a playoff sereis together before winning two this year including one against the defending champs, one more year before we kick dirt all over them? Or is that not possible these days?

Btw KAT is 28 now. This is it for him. This is who he is.

With his cap hit and how much the Wolves are up against it you have to wonder if they move him this summer.

The real issue with moving him is that I don't know that they can get better in doing so. He was also pretty key in beating Denver, so I would be shocked if they don't run it back next year - I mean, they were the #1 seed most of the year and made the conference finals - that's a successful season. Then, if nothing changes, some tougher decisions will probably be made.

Seemed like they almost got that #1 seed without his services. Addition by subtraction type thing?

Rockets would probably package Dillon Brooks, Jock LIndale and a 2nd for him if you're interested.

I can't argue with you that he's frustrating, overpaid, and somewhere between their 3rd and 5th most important player. But, despite recent results, he is most definitely better than Naz Reid (which is not a knock on Naz at all - see avatar). He was also the 2nd leading scorer and 2nd leading rebounder on a WCF team while shooting 50/42/87 this year. He also played well against Phoenix and Denver. I can't defend his play in this series, but I don't have any issue keeping him for next year. I also won't have any issue if they get a good return from him, but if all they can get is what Kev posted above they need to keep him.

Wil they be over the apron or whatever it’s called if they keep him? That could possibly make the decision for them.

Yes they will. That's why I think they'll give it one more year and if things don't work out he will probably be gone.

 

[Frostillicus]

KAT played great against Denver. Can we give this group, who had never won a playoff sereis together before winning two this year including one against the defending champs, one more year before we kick dirt all over them? Or is that not possible these days?

Btw KAT is 28 now. This is it for him. This is who he is.

With his cap hit and how much the Wolves are up against it you have to wonder if they move him this summer.

The real issue with moving him is that I don't know that they can get better in doing so. He was also pretty key in beating Denver, so I would be shocked if they don't run it back next year - I mean, they were the #1 seed most of the year and made the conference finals - that's a successful season. Then, if nothing changes, some tougher decisions will probably be made.

Seemed like they almost got that #1 seed without his services. Addition by subtraction type thing?

Rockets would probably package Dillon Brooks, Jock LIndale and a 2nd for him if you're interested.

I can't argue with you that he's frustrating, overpaid, and somewhere between their 3rd and 5th most important player. But, despite recent results, he is most definitely better than Naz Reid (which is not a knock on Naz at all - see avatar). He was also the 2nd leading scorer and 2nd leading rebounder on a WCF team while shooting 50/42/87 this year. He also played well against Phoenix and Denver. I can't defend his play in this series, but I don't have any issue keeping him for next year. I also won't have any issue if they get a good return from him, but if all they can get is what Kev posted above they need to keep him.

The issue (assuming they can find a taker for him, which I’m skeptical of) is more whether keeping him is worth being a second apron team or not, not so much whether the trade returns much on court value.

Yes that's true.

 

[identikit]

Will be interesting to see how the Pacers continue next season

Nembhard, McConnel, Haliburton

A glut of point guardish guys

 

[Major]

I thought last game was just a good game, but I think we are seeing a Nembhard breakout.

He's been outperforming Halliburton since he went down. Really impressive play.

 

[identikit]

Really love the step-back short range jump shot miss by Tatum over a much shorter opponent

Oy

 

[identikit]

Getting chippy out there

 

[Long Ball Larry]

KAT played great against Denver. Can we give this group, who had never won a playoff sereis together before winning two this year including one against the defending champs, one more year before we kick dirt all over them? Or is that not possible these days?

Btw KAT is 28 now. This is it for him. This is who he is.

With his cap hit and how much the Wolves are up against it you have to wonder if they move him this summer.

I love a good jump into the trade machine... If the Wolves make a trade, they 1. Need to get cheaper 2. Should probably focus on a starting level 3/4 (preferably one that can shoot and rebound) 3. If they can get a PG that can be in the rotation in the playoffs. I'm going to assume they have to keep the trade equivalent salary or less coming in.

Trade #1 - Minnesota gets JJJ and Kennard. Grizzlies get KAT. JJJ is not a center and KAT is not a PF.
Trade #2 - Minnesota gets Cameron Johnson, DFS, and Schroder. Nets get KAT and Wendell Moore (into one of Brooklyn's trade exceptions). A pupu platter of 6th men for KAT.
Trade #3 - Minnesota gets Kyle Kuzma and Deni Avdija. Washington gets KAT. Probably my least favorite.

Trade #4 - Minnesota gets Malcom Brogdon and Jerami Grant. Portland gets KAT and Wendell Moore. If Minnesota could figure out how to be a respectable rebounding team with a forward paring of Grant and McDaniels (who combined average fewer rebounds per 36 than you would want your starting PF to grab), I think this would substantially improve their team. For Portland, they would have to figure out how to dump Ayton for neutral value (Charlotte for Cody Martin and Vasilije Micic?) while getting under the tax, but KAT would be a much better paring with the rest of the Blazers young guys. I don't know if there is a way to actually make this work within the CBA and Minnesota being a little into the 2nd Apron, it's probably pretty close.

I suspect the only of those other teams that would sign off on any of these is Washington and that’s only because they are dumb.

Kuzma wouldn’t accept because he probably doesn’t see Minnesota as a contender.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Xavier Tillman looks the same age as PJ Tucker

 

[GroveDiesel]

Doris Burke is insufferable.

 

[mr. furley]

Doris Burke is insufferable.

incorrect

 

[identikit]

LOL @ Tatum with that arm push off

 

[Dez]

Hell must have froze over because they actually called Tatum for a push off for once

 

[Dez]

How will Indiana blow this one ? Could have won games 1 and 3 will they add game 4 to the "could have won" list ?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

 

[Capella]

The Pacers in the last 3 minute of these games are hilarious

 

[identikit]

Carlisle calls a late timeout!

 

[Frostillicus]

These series are like, exactly the same.

 

[identikit]

Still love you, Pacers!!

 

[GroveDiesel]

Boston clutch again and Indy the chokiest series I’ve ever seen.

 

[Dez]

So will it be Kyrie or Luka that goes down vs Boston ? I mean it happened in every other series a top player has gone down or not played vs them.

 

[Frostillicus]

So will it be Kyrie or Luka that goes down vs Boston ? I mean it happened in every other series a top player has gone down or not played vs them.

Ant or Rudy, imo.

 

[Capella]

The Pacers played all these games at the end like a puppy chasing a ball.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Hopefully Mavs win tomorrow and we have two healthy, well-rested teams heading into June 6th.

 

[the moops]

Doris Burke is insufferable.

incorrect

Agree.
Although I also enjoy Reggie and SVG so...

 

[ShamrockPride]

Happy to see JB get the recognition here. Keep it up thru the Finals.

 

[Major]

These series are like, exactly the same.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Really poor coaching and execution by the losing sides in the last five minutes.

 

[the moops]

I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

What play was this?

 

[the moops]

Obi Toppin is a sick dunker. My god is he terrible at defense though

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

What play was this?

I’m assuming it was the late game (final minute?) Jaylen Brown bucket where he jump stopped taking two steps to stop, picked up his dribble, then changed direction and took two more steps.

It’s obviously a travel, but we all know that traveling no longer exists in basketball, particularly the NBA.

 

[the moops]

I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

What play was this?

I’m assuming it was the late game (final minute?) Jaylen Brown bucket where he jump stopped taking two steps to stop, picked up his dribble, then changed direction and took two more steps.

It’s obviously a travel, but we all know that traveling no longer exists in basketball, particularly the NBA.

Looks clean to me. Definitely not what you described

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[Alex P Keaton]

I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

What play was this?

I’m assuming it was the late game (final minute?) Jaylen Brown bucket where he jump stopped taking two steps to stop, picked up his dribble, then changed direction and took two more steps.

It’s obviously a travel, but we all know that traveling no longer exists in basketball, particularly the NBA.

Looks clean to me. Definitely not what you described

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I can’t pull up the link, but if the score was roughly 102-100, I’ve just watched it again. He clearly stops, shuffles his feet subtly, takes two more steps and shoots.

Nobody calls that anymore - the NBA and all of basketball have given up - but that would have been a travel 100% of the time anytime before say 2015. People call it a step through evidently, but it’s just a travel.

But again, nobody calls that so it wasn’t a travel. I’m just making a wild guess that FreeBG was referencing that play.

 

[msudaisy26]

The Twolves are +1100 to win the series. Am I wrong or does that seem really low and is Vegas telling us something?

 

[ZADO]

Great job Boston, now win the title in honor of the great Bill Walton.

 

[Tau837]

I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

What play was this?

I’m assuming it was the late game (final minute?) Jaylen Brown bucket where he jump stopped taking two steps to stop, picked up his dribble, then changed direction and took two more steps.

It’s obviously a travel, but we all know that traveling no longer exists in basketball, particularly the NBA.

Looks clean to me. Definitely not what you described

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I can’t pull up the link, but if the score was roughly 102-100, I’ve just watched it again. He clearly stops, shuffles his feet subtly, takes two more steps and shoots.

Nobody calls that anymore - the NBA and all of basketball have given up - but that would have been a travel 100% of the time anytime before say 2015. People call it a step through evidently, but it’s just a travel.

But again, nobody calls that so it wasn’t a travel. I’m just making a wild guess that FreeBG was referencing that play.

The play @the moops linked looks clean to me, and it is at 102-100. Brown picks up his dribble as he stops (not exactly a jump stop). His right foot goes down first, so that is his first step and pivot foot, making his left foot his second step. He can move the left foot and does so, never moving his pivot foot until he picks it up while shooting off his left foot (second step), which is legal. I don't see a travel there.

 

[the moops]

I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

What play was this?

I’m assuming it was the late game (final minute?) Jaylen Brown bucket where he jump stopped taking two steps to stop, picked up his dribble, then changed direction and took two more steps.

It’s obviously a travel, but we all know that traveling no longer exists in basketball, particularly the NBA.

Looks clean to me. Definitely not what you described

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I can’t pull up the link, but if the score was roughly 102-100, I’ve just watched it again. He clearly stops, shuffles his feet subtly, takes two more steps and shoots.

Nobody calls that anymore - the NBA and all of basketball have given up - but that would have been a travel 100% of the time anytime before say 2015. People call it a step through evidently, but it’s just a travel.

But again, nobody calls that so it wasn’t a travel. I’m just making a wild guess that FreeBG was referencing that play.

The play @the moops linked looks clean to me, and it is at 102-100. Brown picks up his dribble as he stops (not exactly a jump stop). His right foot goes down first, so that is his first step and pivot foot, making his left foot his second step. He can move the left foot and does so, never moving his pivot foot until he picks it up while shooting off his left foot (second step), which is legal. I don't see a travel there.

Yea if that's the play in question it's not a travel and wasn't before 2015

 

[3 hour lunch]

The Twolves are +1100 to win the series. Am I wrong or does that seem really low and is Vegas telling us something?

Winning 4 straight coin flips would be +1600. Some juice built in, even moreso on long shots like this

 

[Bossman]

I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

What play was this?

I’m assuming it was the late game (final minute?) Jaylen Brown bucket where he jump stopped taking two steps to stop, picked up his dribble, then changed direction and took two more steps.

It’s obviously a travel, but we all know that traveling no longer exists in basketball, particularly the NBA.

Looks clean to me. Definitely not what you described

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I can’t pull up the link, but if the score was roughly 102-100, I’ve just watched it again. He clearly stops, shuffles his feet subtly, takes two more steps and shoots.

Nobody calls that anymore - the NBA and all of basketball have given up - but that would have been a travel 100% of the time anytime before say 2015. People call it a step through evidently, but it’s just a travel.

But again, nobody calls that so it wasn’t a travel. I’m just making a wild guess that FreeBG was referencing that play.

The play @the moops linked looks clean to me, and it is at 102-100. Brown picks up his dribble as he stops (not exactly a jump stop). His right foot goes down first, so that is his first step and pivot foot, making his left foot his second step. He can move the left foot and does so, never moving his pivot foot until he picks it up while shooting off his left foot (second step), which is legal. I don't see a travel there.

That's an excellent link to it.
Celtics / J. Brown fan here .... but Since when can you come to a complete stop, pick up your dribble, up-fake, ... then decide to take two steps to the basket?
Maybe it's not a travel anymore but it should be. In my day your 2 steps were a continuation of your motion after your dribble was picked up ... not just 2 extra steps when you feel like using them. He literally picked up his pivot foot well before shooting.

What was more egregious at the end of that game was the Pacers player that picks up his dribble, jumps with the ball, then drops the ball so as not to be called for up & down, then runs to retrieve the ball.
No idea what the refs were looking at. Must have thought one of the Celtics touched the ball but they clearly did not. ... either that or this is no longer called a travel either.

 

[Jayrod]

That's an excellent link to it.
Celtics / J. Brown fan here .... but Since when can you come to a complete stop, pick up your dribble, up-fake, ... then decide to take two steps to the basket?
Maybe it's not a travel anymore but it should be. In my day your 2 steps were a continuation of your motion after your dribble was picked up ... not just 2 extra steps when you feel like using them. He literally picked up his pivot foot well before shooting.

I think you are not understanding some basic terminology. A step requires a foot to be picked up and then returned to the floor. Picking up a foot is not a step.

His first stop was a jump stop. Allows for either foot to become the pivot foot.

Pump fakes are irrelevant as it has nothing to do with the feet, but he does a slight step back with his left, establishing the right foot as the pivot foot.

He then only takes 1 step with his left foot, picks up his pivot foot and shoots before that foot comes back down.

All of this is legal at every level and has been for decades (see Kevin McHale, Hakeem, etc.)

 

[Jayrod]

What was more egregious at the end of that game was the Pacers player that picks up his dribble, jumps with the ball, then drops the ball so as not to be called for up & down, then runs to retrieve the ball.
No idea what the refs were looking at. Must have thought one of the Celtics touched the ball but they clearly did not. ... either that or this is no longer called a travel either.

I believe this was Nesmith and he didn't retrieve the ball until it was touched by a Celtic (Hauser maybe?).

I thought the same thing as you, but on rewatching it, he drops the ball before landing, then runs over but waits to touch it again until after another player touches it making it legal.

 

[Tau837]

I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

What play was this?

I’m assuming it was the late game (final minute?) Jaylen Brown bucket where he jump stopped taking two steps to stop, picked up his dribble, then changed direction and took two more steps.

It’s obviously a travel, but we all know that traveling no longer exists in basketball, particularly the NBA.

Looks clean to me. Definitely not what you described

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I can’t pull up the link, but if the score was roughly 102-100, I’ve just watched it again. He clearly stops, shuffles his feet subtly, takes two more steps and shoots.

Nobody calls that anymore - the NBA and all of basketball have given up - but that would have been a travel 100% of the time anytime before say 2015. People call it a step through evidently, but it’s just a travel.

But again, nobody calls that so it wasn’t a travel. I’m just making a wild guess that FreeBG was referencing that play.

The play @the moops linked looks clean to me, and it is at 102-100. Brown picks up his dribble as he stops (not exactly a jump stop). His right foot goes down first, so that is his first step and pivot foot, making his left foot his second step. He can move the left foot and does so, never moving his pivot foot until he picks it up while shooting off his left foot (second step), which is legal. I don't see a travel there.

That's an excellent link to it.
Celtics / J. Brown fan here .... but Since when can you come to a complete stop, pick up your dribble, up-fake, ... then decide to take two steps to the basket?
Maybe it's not a travel anymore but it should be. In my day your 2 steps were a continuation of your motion after your dribble was picked up ... not just 2 extra steps when you feel like using them. He literally picked up his pivot foot well before shooting.

What was more egregious at the end of that game was the Pacers player that picks up his dribble, jumps with the ball, then drops the ball so as not to be called for up & down, then runs to retrieve the ball.
No idea what the refs were looking at. Must have thought one of the Celtics touched the ball but they clearly did not. ... either that or this is no longer called a travel either.

You get two steps. When he came to a stop, the first foot down (right foot) equals his first step and pivot foot. His second foot down (left foot) is his second step and not his pivot foot, so he can move that around as long as he holds his pivot foot. When he shoots, he steps forward on his left foot while picking up his right foot. That is legal. His left foot equates to his second step there, and he never puts his right foot back on the floor before shooting, so there is no third step.

I'm surprised there is so much debate on this. It is very clearly not a travel and never has been under and college or NBA level rules that I am aware of. It is actually textbook good footwork.

 

[Anarchy99]

Another play I found odd was the Isaiah Jackson kick to Peyton Pritchard's face play. I get that Jackson jumped prematurely on a pump fake, but most people don't raise and kick out their back leg when they jump. It appeared to me that he intentionally extended his back leg backwards to avoid giving up an easy layup. Hitting him in the face was accidental, but I don't see how that was a normal basketball move or a regular defensive maneuver. To me, it was a leg whip, as Jackson brings back and turns his leg behind him. Put another way, Jackson could have jumped straight up and down without torquing his leg back toward Pritchard. It didn't end up making a difference in the game (and maybe the Brown shot to McConnell's face proved to be a makeup call).

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[Bossman]

I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

What play was this?

I’m assuming it was the late game (final minute?) Jaylen Brown bucket where he jump stopped taking two steps to stop, picked up his dribble, then changed direction and took two more steps.

It’s obviously a travel, but we all know that traveling no longer exists in basketball, particularly the NBA.

Looks clean to me. Definitely not what you described

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I can’t pull up the link, but if the score was roughly 102-100, I’ve just watched it again. He clearly stops, shuffles his feet subtly, takes two more steps and shoots.

Nobody calls that anymore - the NBA and all of basketball have given up - but that would have been a travel 100% of the time anytime before say 2015. People call it a step through evidently, but it’s just a travel.

But again, nobody calls that so it wasn’t a travel. I’m just making a wild guess that FreeBG was referencing that play.

The play @the moops linked looks clean to me, and it is at 102-100. Brown picks up his dribble as he stops (not exactly a jump stop). His right foot goes down first, so that is his first step and pivot foot, making his left foot his second step. He can move the left foot and does so, never moving his pivot foot until he picks it up while shooting off his left foot (second step), which is legal. I don't see a travel there.

That's an excellent link to it.
Celtics / J. Brown fan here .... but Since when can you come to a complete stop, pick up your dribble, up-fake, ... then decide to take two steps to the basket?
Maybe it's not a travel anymore but it should be. In my day your 2 steps were a continuation of your motion after your dribble was picked up ... not just 2 extra steps when you feel like using them. He literally picked up his pivot foot well before shooting.

What was more egregious at the end of that game was the Pacers player that picks up his dribble, jumps with the ball, then drops the ball so as not to be called for up & down, then runs to retrieve the ball.
No idea what the refs were looking at. Must have thought one of the Celtics touched the ball but they clearly did not. ... either that or this is no longer called a travel either.

You get two steps. When he came to a stop, the first foot down (right foot) equals his first step and pivot foot. His second foot down (left foot) is his second step and not his pivot foot, so he can move that around as long as he holds his pivot foot. When he shoots, he steps forward on his left foot while picking up his right foot. That is legal. His left foot equates to his second step there, and he never puts his right foot back on the floor before shooting, so there is no third step.

I'm surprised there is so much debate on this. It is very clearly not a travel and never has been under and college or NBA level rules that I am aware of. It is actually textbook good footwork.

So, from a standstill, you can step and lift your pivot foot ... continue on to your non-pivot foot and pass the ball or take a shot ... and this has always been the rule?
So this would be the case if you never dribbled either? Catch the ball, pivot back and forth, up-fake, and then take a giant step onto your non-pivot foot, pass or shoot?
I must be the only old guy in here. In my day we'd get called for traveling if we dragged our pivot foot a few inches ... now you can just step right off it and shoot off the other foot lol.
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[msudaisy26]

The Twolves are +1100 to win the series. Am I wrong or does that seem really low and is Vegas telling us something?

Winning 4 straight coin flips would be +1600. Some juice built in, even moreso on long shots like this

Maybe, but the Pacers were plus 4000. When the Twolves took a 2 - 0 lead against the Nuggets they were plus 700.
The Suns were plus 1600 to 1700 against the Twolves earlier in the playoffs.

 

[Tau837]

I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

What play was this?

I’m assuming it was the late game (final minute?) Jaylen Brown bucket where he jump stopped taking two steps to stop, picked up his dribble, then changed direction and took two more steps.

It’s obviously a travel, but we all know that traveling no longer exists in basketball, particularly the NBA.

Looks clean to me. Definitely not what you described

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I can’t pull up the link, but if the score was roughly 102-100, I’ve just watched it again. He clearly stops, shuffles his feet subtly, takes two more steps and shoots.

Nobody calls that anymore - the NBA and all of basketball have given up - but that would have been a travel 100% of the time anytime before say 2015. People call it a step through evidently, but it’s just a travel.

But again, nobody calls that so it wasn’t a travel. I’m just making a wild guess that FreeBG was referencing that play.

The play @the moops linked looks clean to me, and it is at 102-100. Brown picks up his dribble as he stops (not exactly a jump stop). His right foot goes down first, so that is his first step and pivot foot, making his left foot his second step. He can move the left foot and does so, never moving his pivot foot until he picks it up while shooting off his left foot (second step), which is legal. I don't see a travel there.

That's an excellent link to it.
Celtics / J. Brown fan here .... but Since when can you come to a complete stop, pick up your dribble, up-fake, ... then decide to take two steps to the basket?
Maybe it's not a travel anymore but it should be. In my day your 2 steps were a continuation of your motion after your dribble was picked up ... not just 2 extra steps when you feel like using them. He literally picked up his pivot foot well before shooting.

What was more egregious at the end of that game was the Pacers player that picks up his dribble, jumps with the ball, then drops the ball so as not to be called for up & down, then runs to retrieve the ball.
No idea what the refs were looking at. Must have thought one of the Celtics touched the ball but they clearly did not. ... either that or this is no longer called a travel either.

You get two steps. When he came to a stop, the first foot down (right foot) equals his first step and pivot foot. His second foot down (left foot) is his second step and not his pivot foot, so he can move that around as long as he holds his pivot foot. When he shoots, he steps forward on his left foot while picking up his right foot. That is legal. His left foot equates to his second step there, and he never puts his right foot back on the floor before shooting, so there is no third step.

I'm surprised there is so much debate on this. It is very clearly not a travel and never has been under and college or NBA level rules that I am aware of. It is actually textbook good footwork.

So, from a standstill, you can step and lift your pivot foot ... continue on to your non-pivot foot and pass the ball or take a shot ... and this has always been the rule?
So this would be the case if you never dribbled either? Catch the ball, pivot back and forth, up-fake, and then take a giant step onto your non-pivot foot, pass or shoot?
I must be the only old guy in here. In my day we'd get called for traveling if we dragged our pivot foot a few inches ... now you can just step right off it and shoot off the other foot lol.
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I don't know what to tell you. Your pivot foot equals your first of two steps you are allowed without traveling. You can lift it as @Jayrod stated, as has always been true.

 

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Another play I found odd was the Isaiah Jackson kick to Peyton Pritchard's face play. I get that Jackson jumped prematurely on a pump fake, but most people don't raise and kick out their back leg when they jump. It appeared to me that he intentionally extended his back leg backwards to avoid giving up an easy layup. Hitting him in the face was accidental, but I don't see how that was a normal basketball move or a regular defensive maneuver. To me, it was a leg whip, as Jackson brings back and turns his leg behind him. Put another way, Jackson could have jumped straight up and down without torquing his leg back toward Pritchard. It didn't end up making a difference in the game (and maybe the Brown shot to McConnell's face proved to be a makeup call).

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Looked intentionalish to me

 

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I still can't believe that's not a travel and you can take 4 steps and 2 jumps without dribbling as long as you stop in between.

What play was this?

I’m assuming it was the late game (final minute?) Jaylen Brown bucket where he jump stopped taking two steps to stop, picked up his dribble, then changed direction and took two more steps.

It’s obviously a travel, but we all know that traveling no longer exists in basketball, particularly the NBA.

Looks clean to me. Definitely not what you described

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I can’t pull up the link, but if the score was roughly 102-100, I’ve just watched it again. He clearly stops, shuffles his feet subtly, takes two more steps and shoots.

Nobody calls that anymore - the NBA and all of basketball have given up - but that would have been a travel 100% of the time anytime before say 2015. People call it a step through evidently, but it’s just a travel.

But again, nobody calls that so it wasn’t a travel. I’m just making a wild guess that FreeBG was referencing that play.

The play @the moops linked looks clean to me, and it is at 102-100. Brown picks up his dribble as he stops (not exactly a jump stop). His right foot goes down first, so that is his first step and pivot foot, making his left foot his second step. He can move the left foot and does so, never moving his pivot foot until he picks it up while shooting off his left foot (second step), which is legal. I don't see a travel there.

That's an excellent link to it.
Celtics / J. Brown fan here .... but Since when can you come to a complete stop, pick up your dribble, up-fake, ... then decide to take two steps to the basket?
Maybe it's not a travel anymore but it should be. In my day your 2 steps were a continuation of your motion after your dribble was picked up ... not just 2 extra steps when you feel like using them. He literally picked up his pivot foot well before shooting.

What was more egregious at the end of that game was the Pacers player that picks up his dribble, jumps with the ball, then drops the ball so as not to be called for up & down, then runs to retrieve the ball.
No idea what the refs were looking at. Must have thought one of the Celtics touched the ball but they clearly did not. ... either that or this is no longer called a travel either.

You get two steps. When he came to a stop, the first foot down (right foot) equals his first step and pivot foot. His second foot down (left foot) is his second step and not his pivot foot, so he can move that around as long as he holds his pivot foot. When he shoots, he steps forward on his left foot while picking up his right foot. That is legal. His left foot equates to his second step there, and he never puts his right foot back on the floor before shooting, so there is no third step.

I'm surprised there is so much debate on this. It is very clearly not a travel and never has been under and college or NBA level rules that I am aware of. It is actually textbook good footwork.

So, from a standstill, you can step and lift your pivot foot ... continue on to your non-pivot foot and pass the ball or take a shot ... and this has always been the rule?
So this would be the case if you never dribbled either? Catch the ball, pivot back and forth, up-fake, and then take a giant step onto your non-pivot foot, pass or shoot?
I must be the only old guy in here. In my day we'd get called for traveling if we dragged our pivot foot a few inches ... now you can just step right off it and shoot off the other foot lol.
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Step through moves have always been allowed and dragging the pivot foot is always a travel. Those are two very different things.

Here is a video on the subject.