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2023-24 NBA (Playoffs!) Thread: Lakers blame refs for blowing 20-point lead (21 Viewers)
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
It ain't easy being green.
Major
Footballguy
He was a monster on defense tonight and probably won them that game. Definitely deserves a night off.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Dirk?
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Correct - that’s one.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Wemby?
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Mavs destroyed the Kings on the road in the 2nd half. Outscored them 74-43
Kings are a solid team but they absolutely positively blew it this offseason not locking up someone better than Barnes/Huerter (latter coming off career year that could have been dealt). Resigning Barnes long term coming off his joke of a playoff performance vs. GS was laughable. They had all the ability in the world to do something last offseason with Murray on rookie deal and Monk signed cheap.
Kings are a solid team but they absolutely positively blew it this offseason not locking up someone better than Barnes/Huerter (latter coming off career year that could have been dealt). Resigning Barnes long term coming off his joke of a playoff performance vs. GS was laughable. They had all the ability in the world to do something last offseason with Murray on rookie deal and Monk signed cheap.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Nope (but he’ll probably be next). Most recent was 2017.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Shot in the dark: Cousins?
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Screams Barkley. Maybe Magic?
Don't know of many else from that era with the skillset to hit all those marks.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Nope.
Jeopardy contestant: “I’ll take Tough Guys for $1,000, Alex.”
Trebek: “The Beastie Boys said it was time for this mother effer to die.”
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Just finished Mavs Kings catchup watch. Hope that wasn't so bad a beatdown that Sac comes out firing and takes game 2. PIVOTAL second game here for 6 seed. And Dallas is rolling with a chance as high as that 4 seed with LAC falling. Feeling like if they beat SAC in game 2 there's a likely shot at 5 or 6, since NO is also rolling right now.
strykerpks
Footballguy
I'm going to drive by snipe the MVP conversation. Dame has been very underwhelming. Khris Middleton has been hurt. Giannis doesn't deserve MVP, but he should be in the discussion beyond 4th or 5th. Does efficiency count this year or not?
:backsawayslowly:
Instinctive
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
6-4 without him.
SGA should be 2nd. It’s Jokic in a tier by himself then SGA also in his own tier.. Would out Luka and Gianni’s in the third tier.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Fought all the way back from down 20 in the third, only to piss it away in the closing minutes. OKC is really good. Having B.I. would've made a big difference for us vs such a tough team. Ah well, on to the next.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Butcher me on the court
Too many elbows to report
Now you're poking me in the eye
Bill Laimbeer mother effer, it's time for you to die
Kev4029
Footballguy
I think SGA was in a tier at #2 by himself, but he's fallen off a smidge since the all-star break. I think he is still #2 for now but I would say it's Jokic then a huge drop to the next three all in one tier then an even bigger gap between those three at everybody else.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Huh. C-Web and KG came to mind late last night.Butcher me on the court
Too many elbows to report
Now you're poking me in the eye
Bill Laimbeer mother effer, it's time for you to die
Instinctive
Footballguy
I pretty much agree with that. Basically, I see Luka as a more positive offensive impact than SGA with similar defense, and Giannis is similar offensively, though less of a hub/engine, and blows both out of the water defensively.
Before I get lambasted for the defense take - SGA definitely better at staying with guys. Both get a lot of steals (1.5 for Luka, 2 for SGA), and Luka nearly doubles SGA up on defensive boards - including RB% of team when on floor and individual advanced stats plus counting stats. Ending possessions is part of defense too.
With the "letting them play" mentality, Luka's size and strength have also immediately become bigger assets - there were more than a couple SAC drives 1:1 on him last night that were stifled with no help.
Moe.
Footballguy
Similar defense? Between Luka and SGA?
edit: ok I stopped at that line and didn’t read the rest of the post, point taken. I’m no expert but SGA is getting mentioned as a potential all-defense candidate by serious people, seems like Luka is miles away from that. Luka is a better player overall imo, but that caught me by surprise.
edit: ok I stopped at that line and didn’t read the rest of the post, point taken. I’m no expert but SGA is getting mentioned as a potential all-defense candidate by serious people, seems like Luka is miles away from that. Luka is a better player overall imo, but that caught me by surprise.
MAC_32
Footballguy
FWIW, ATS the Mavs are one of the best teams on the 2nd day of a back-to-back (9-3), the Kings are not (4-9) , eight of those ATS losses have been double digits, and one of them was even as bad as last night.
Yeah, the Kings have been awful on back to backs this season. They can't use that as an excuse for last night given that the Mavericks didn't have any rest either, but I think Friday will be a more telling indication of where the teams are at. (It still may not be a good picture for Sacramento, but it will be more representative.)
the moops
Footballguy
Luka is covering the opposing team's worst offensive player, typically their PF. And of course he is going to get more rebounds than a point guard. And Luka doesn't really nearly double SGA in defensive boards (4.7 to 8.2).
I think Luka is a better defender than most, but anyone who watches any Dallas games knows that he takes multiple possessions completely off every single game. And anyone who watches OKC knows that while SGA doesn't typically get the opposing teams best wing, he isn't hiding out in the corner on the worst player either.
SGA will, and should get some all-defense votes. Luka will never ever receive one single all-defense votes in his entire career
Major
Footballguy
I agree with most of this. I think it's pretty clear Jokic - SGA - Luka in the first three tiers. 4th tier is Giannis, Edwards and Tatum
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Kev4029
Footballguy
Beyond team success, why do Edwards and Tatum even deserve inclusion in this discussion? I think the delineation between the top 4 and whatever that next tier is massive. I think the difference between the fifth best player this year and whoever of the SGA/Luka/Giannis contingent you want to choose is bigger than whoever the 5th best player is to whoever will end up being the first guy out in All-NBA voting (Booker/Durant/Sabonis/Curry, etc).
the moops
Footballguy
I would have a few guys in the 4th tier including Tatum and Durant. Booker hasn't played enough games. Curry is having his worst year since like his 2nd year in the league. He has been bad post all star
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Oops Draymond - his 4th ejection of the season less than 4 minutes into the game.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Draymonds therapy seems to be going well
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Fought the whole grizzlies team, clotheslined Patty mills and now this…
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
The young talent on Houston is nuts.
identikit
Footballguy
This could have been the Year of the Bev
identikit
Footballguy
Kobe as an Italian-Philly hybrid got wayyyyy too much airtime
Yo Mama
Footballguy
So I guess Oubre wasn’t thrilled with the refs tonight and will be getting a nice fine from the league after this:
trader jake
Footballguy
Simmon's wasn't wrong though. Kobe probably doesn't become the player he became if he's raised in the United States his entire childhood.
The larger picture is how poor the US is at producing top NBA players. Considering how much bball talent and resources the US pours into the sport ...why aren't there many, many more US born NBA superstars?
We all know the answers to that question. We've been talking about it for decades while doing nothing (or making it worse). It's one sport specialization from a young age, it's the extreme attention good players garner too early, it's moving around to get touches and be on a better team, and it's AAU ball in general.
Is playing 6-8 games in a weekend "tournament" (where the results matter less than the highlights and attention a player can generate) going to make for great players? If it did, US born players would occupy 95% of NBA roster spots. Instead, we are where we are.
Major
Footballguy
Their core is so young (all 19-22). That has definitely tested my patience but it looks like it'll eventually pay off. Fun game tonight versus OKC. Jalen continues on his tear and Amen with a respectful 25/15.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Maybe the path right now is messed up. Maybe it is too hard to play this much. We've got NBA stars that complain about 65 games in a year.
One thing I'm sure of is that nobody could ever out-work Kobe. One of the greatest performers of all time. A constant example of will and perseverance.
Nobody is going to care about Bill Simmons in a couple of decades. Let's spend out time thinking about the real greats.
Jayrod
Footballguy
He should have twice that many ejections.
I've never seen anyone get away with more berating of officials. There are a lot of guys who whine, but Green is noticeably yelling at them, being demonstrative in his objections and getting their face yet rarely gets penalized.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I keep waiting for the day that someone cans his future career on "Inside the NBA".
He is such a POS. Get him out of the game.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
At least Oubre was funny with his berating of the officials. Went after all three as well as their families.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Wolves are now 2 wins away from teh 2nd most-winning season in team history. If they finish out 8-2, which is unlikely based on the schedule, they will hit the best team record ever.
So forgive us if we are over excited.
So forgive us if we are over excited.
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