2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (3 Viewers)

[FreeBaGeL]

@FreeBaGeL I also think part of the reason you think that is because the teams don’t have to prove it on the field, so we just don’t know any better. There haven’t been a ton but we’ve seen upsets. I think back to the year we had to watch a Bama-LSU rematch in the title game. Oklahoma State for sure could have beaten either team that year, but they weren’t given the opportunity because their field goal kicker missed an easy one in Ames. Once we start to challenge those assumptions with deeper brackets I think weird stuff will start happening.

It's a fair point but I think in general, the longer you make a single elimination tournament the less likely it is you get the best team as champion. We see this in the NFL with some truly random teams winning the Super Bowl sometimes, teams that CLEARLY aren't the best team in the league. Same thing in baseball even with it not being single elimination. 162 games and a team can be 20-30 games better than another but that other team gets hot on just the right weekend and all of the sudden we have teams like the Diamondbacks, National, etc playing for or winning championships.

You actually kind of nailed it in your other post I think. You were right I was talking only about American sports. There are more accurate solutions internationally, like the EPL where there literally is no post season which probably BY FAR most accurately chooses the best team as champions. Now imagine if instead the EPL threw together a quick 12 or 16 team playoff at the end. It would get it right far less often. Generally, the more impact the regular season has the more likely we are to get the best team as champion.

Realistically, post seasons only exist because they make more money. Same thing in fantasy football, since this is technically an FF board. Roto leagues where the team w/ the most points all year gets the championship far more accurately choose the best team than the leagues with playoffs. We just do playoffs because they're more fun.

 

[Galileo]

Words I have NEVER uttered in my entire life. . . . Roll Damn Tide!

Ouch, how can you? I cheered so hard for you guys against Georgia last year.

Sorry, I. . . just can't. . . no hate just a little bitterness.

I am the opposite, I root for OSU every game except that last one in November. The better they look, the better we look in comparison.

That’s the difference between Buckeye fans and Wolverine fans. Buckeye fans won’t even say or write the word Michigan, much less root for them.

As I grew up in Ohio, have lots of friends on social media who are Buckeyes fans. They either use “*” or “TTUN” (That Team Up North) to refer to Michigan. They also routinely post photos of words or businesses that start with a capital M with the “M” crossed out. Die hard Buckeyes fans will NEVER root for Michigan, even if it’s against their own interest. Just ask @Sullie. “Roll Tide” posts are littering my feed right now.

Truth. And I strangely find myself becoming a Washington fan now because I don't like Alabama or Texas either.

ETA...I will be pulling for Alabama over TTUN, but I won't like it.

 

[Phil Elliott]

We're now entering that fantastic part of the college football season where nothing happens for 2-3 weeks except us talking about all the top players on top teams who will not be playing in the bowl games.

And the 15 pound weight gain from chicken dinners at awards dinners.

 

[Tau837]

Per ESPN:

FPI:

• Michigan 1
• Alabama 5
• Texas 7
• FSU 11
• Washington 13

SOS:

• Alabama 5
• Washington 11
• Texas 13
• Michigan 33
• FSU 55

Top 25 FPI record, ordered loosely in order of impressiveness IMO:

• Washington - 5-0 - Oregon (4), Oregon (4), Oregon State (18), Arizona (22), Utah (25)
• Alabama - 5-1 - wins: Georgia (6), LSU (9), Texas A&M (14), Ole Miss (15), Tennessee (17); losses: Texas (7)
• Michigan - 2-0 - wins: Ohio State (2), Penn State (3)
• FSU - 4-0 - wins: LSU (9), Clemson (19), Louisville (23), Miami (24)
• Texas - 2-1 - wins: Alabama (5), Kansas State (12); losses: Oklahoma (8)

Taking everything into consideration, IMO FSU should have been in over Texas. But FSU's schedule obviously opened the door for the QB situation to be used against them. Too bad for FSU that (1) Clemson was down; (2) Florida was down; and (3) they didn't have Notre Dame on the schedule this season.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Per ESPN:

FPI:

• Michigan 1
• Alabama 5
• Texas 7
• FSU 11
• Washington 13

SOS:

• Alabama 5
• Washington 11
• Texas 13
• Michigan 33
• FSU 55

Top 25 FPI record, ordered loosely in order of impressiveness IMO:

• Washington - 5-0 - Oregon (4), Oregon (4), Oregon State (18), Arizona (22), Utah (25)
• Alabama - 5-1 - wins: Georgia (6), LSU (9), Texas A&M (14), Ole Miss (15), Tennessee (17); losses: Texas (7)
• Michigan - 2-0 - wins: Ohio State (2), Penn State (3)
• FSU - 4-0 - wins: LSU (9), Clemson (19), Louisville (23), Miami (24)
• Texas - 2-1 - wins: Alabama (5), Kansas State (12); losses: Oklahoma (8)

Taking everything into consideration, IMO FSU should have been in over Texas. But FSU's schedule obviously opened the door for the QB situation to be used against them. Too bad for FSU that (1) Clemson was down; (2) Florida was down; and (3) they didn't have Notre Dame on the schedule this season.

No wat bana gets in over Texas. Texas also beat a ranked OSU for the Big 12 Championship. Bama had some tough stretches during the season , as did Texas mid season..

 

[Desert_Power]

Sucks for Michigan too.

https://x.com/journoryan/status/1731368734265155589?s=46&t=vQG5LrFwGikYrruOJaeCMg

That and the video of Bama's players all looking nonchalant were perfect

 

[Tau837]

Per ESPN:

FPI:

• Michigan 1
• Alabama 5
• Texas 7
• FSU 11
• Washington 13

SOS:

• Alabama 5
• Washington 11
• Texas 13
• Michigan 33
• FSU 55

Top 25 FPI record, ordered loosely in order of impressiveness IMO:

• Washington - 5-0 - Oregon (4), Oregon (4), Oregon State (18), Arizona (22), Utah (25)
• Alabama - 5-1 - wins: Georgia (6), LSU (9), Texas A&M (14), Ole Miss (15), Tennessee (17); losses: Texas (7)
• Michigan - 2-0 - wins: Ohio State (2), Penn State (3)
• FSU - 4-0 - wins: LSU (9), Clemson (19), Louisville (23), Miami (24)
• Texas - 2-1 - wins: Alabama (5), Kansas State (12); losses: Oklahoma (8)

Taking everything into consideration, IMO FSU should have been in over Texas. But FSU's schedule obviously opened the door for the QB situation to be used against them. Too bad for FSU that (1) Clemson was down; (2) Florida was down; and (3) they didn't have Notre Dame on the schedule this season.

No wat bana gets in over Texas. Texas also beat a ranked OSU for the Big 12 Championship. Bama had some tough stretches during the season , as did Texas mid season..

IMO Alabama's body of work is better than Texas's body of work. I get the head to head outcome, hence the entire basis for the controversy. If I had a vote, Texas would have been #5 and the first team out... but it would have been very close between FSU and Texas for the 4th spot.

 

[Tau837]

Alabama is the best team by the eye test but they have a loss when FSU and Texas don't

Texas has a loss, at home to Oklahoma.

 

[Desert_Power]

As for FSU I think they deserve to be there but not over Alabama. They deserve to be there over Texas.

Committee is not picking based on "deserves". Whether they should or not.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Yee

Alabama is the best team by the eye test but they have a loss when FSU and Texas don't

Texas has a loss, at home to Oklahoma.

Bama has a home loss too...to Texas.

 

[Zow]

Alabama is the best team by the eye test but they have a loss when FSU and Texas don't

Texas has a loss, at home to Oklahoma.

Right, my bad.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Oregon is way too strong for Liberty. I hate that matchup for both teams. Liberty deserves a shot at a decent game but against somebody they would have a chance to beat, like Iowa or Oregon State for instance.

I love this matchup for both teams. I hope Oregon wins by 100.

-QG

 

[jm192]

So if you're stud QB gets hurt, the committee is saying it's better to just forfeit the season because you're not getting in? Weird precedence imo.

There's always going to be controversy. We'll expand to 12 teams. Teams 13-16 will all probably have a fair gripe. There really was no perfect answer. Florida State was the easiest one to explain, even if people disagree with the explanation.

Alabama is probably the best team in the country at the moment. They have 1 more loss than FSU. But I think the conversation has to be more nuanced than "1 loss is worse than zero." Who did you beat? Who did you lose to? Alabama's 1 loss is to Texas #3 and in the playoffs. They beat #1 Georgia IN Georgia. They did it in the SEC Championship game. How do you leave out the SEC champion that also looks like the best team in the country?

Georgia has a legit gripe. No team ranked #1 going into the conference championship game has missed the playoffs. Their only loss was in the SEC Championship game to a playoff Alabama team.

You almost can't put Bama in without putting Texas in. Same number of losses, both conference champions. Texas beat Bama head to head.

I think in the end it was easiest to say "FSU lost their QB" and "This was Georgia's playoff game. Win and in."

How quickly you forget that Alabama needed a hail marry to beat a 6-6 Auburn team just 2 weeks ago.

And before you say "it was a rivalry game on the road" keep in mind that about 30 minutes before that game ended FSU had just finished comfortably taking knees on the road against their biggest rival.

Again, you're really acting like FSU cruised in that Florida game, and that's false.

Florida was up 12-0 at one point. FSU didn't secure the lead until the 4th quarter. Auburn is 6-6. Florida is 5-7.

For all the focus on records, the Florida team you're patting FSU on the back for is worse than the Auburn team you want to punish Alabama for. "Bama barely beat a .500 team but FSU sure handled that team with the losing record."

 

[timschochet]

Oregon is way too strong for Liberty. I hate that matchup for both teams. Liberty deserves a shot at a decent game but against somebody they would have a chance to beat, like Iowa or Oregon State for instance.

I love this matchup for both teams. I hope Oregon wins by 100.

-QG

And they just might. Myself I want to be entertained. Unless you’re an Oregon lover or a Liberty hater (?) that’s not entertainment.

 

[jm192]

Oregon is way too strong for Liberty. I hate that matchup for both teams. Liberty deserves a shot at a decent game but against somebody they would have a chance to beat, like Iowa or Oregon State for instance.

I hate that Ohio St is playing Missouri instead of Oregon.

My question in this game is always how well can the favorite get up for the game.

While I'm sure Oregon doesn't want to lose to Liberty--you've always got guys skipping bowl games. Some prepare for the draft. Some jump into the transfer portal. Whatever other reason comes up.

Liberty's guys are going to be excited and hungry to show that they can beat a P5 team. It could make for an exciting game.

 

[Phil Elliott]

Oregon is way too strong for Liberty. I hate that matchup for both teams. Liberty deserves a shot at a decent game but against somebody they would have a chance to beat, like Iowa or Oregon State for instance.

I love this matchup for both teams. I hope Oregon wins by 100.

-QG

And they just might. Myself I want to be entertained. Unless you’re an Oregon lover or a Liberty hater (?) that’s not entertainment.

Thus pro sports and college is moving towards scripted results for entertainment/ratings.Both pro and college football is big business.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Oregon is way too strong for Liberty. I hate that matchup for both teams. Liberty deserves a shot at a decent game but against somebody they would have a chance to beat, like Iowa or Oregon State for instance.

I hate that Ohio St is playing Missouri instead of Oregon.

My question in this game is always how well can the favorite get up for the game.

While I'm sure Oregon doesn't want to lose to Liberty--you've always got guys skipping bowl games. Some prepare for the draft. Some jump into the transfer portal. Whatever other reason comes up.

Liberty's guys are going to be excited and hungry to show that they can beat a P5 team. It could make for an exciting game.

Yes there has been more than one bowl game where the big favorite was distracted by things like avoiding injuries and draft positions. Meanwhile the dog plays all out with nothing to lose.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Latest point spreads:

Michigan -1.5
Texas -4.5

 

[Osaurus]

Wyoming heading to the Arizona Bowl 12/30. Could be worse I guess.

 

[jm192]

So if you're stud QB gets hurt, the committee is saying it's better to just forfeit the season because you're not getting in? Weird precedence imo.

There's always going to be controversy. We'll expand to 12 teams. Teams 13-16 will all probably have a fair gripe. There really was no perfect answer. Florida State was the easiest one to explain, even if people disagree with the explanation.

Alabama is probably the best team in the country at the moment. They have 1 more loss than FSU. But I think the conversation has to be more nuanced than "1 loss is worse than zero." Who did you beat? Who did you lose to? Alabama's 1 loss is to Texas #3 and in the playoffs. They beat #1 Georgia IN Georgia. They did it in the SEC Championship game. How do you leave out the SEC champion that also looks like the best team in the country?

Georgia has a legit gripe. No team ranked #1 going into the conference championship game has missed the playoffs. Their only loss was in the SEC Championship game to a playoff Alabama team.

You almost can't put Bama in without putting Texas in. Same number of losses, both conference champions. Texas beat Bama head to head.

I think in the end it was easiest to say "FSU lost their QB" and "This was Georgia's playoff game. Win and in."

If it's 12 teams, we're arguing about Penn State vs Ole MIss right now or something like that. I don't think anyone including their own fans would claim they are the best team. We are legit leaving an undefeated team out of the playoffs so you're comparison about 4 vs 5 and 12 vs 13 is bunk.

Georgia does have a gripe based on Corrigan's explanation about taking the best teams. Corrigan is a clown.

I don't mean to say Ole Miss's gripe is going to be more legitimate than FSU's. But #13 is going to have a reason they're better than #12. #14 will have a reason they're better than #11. More spots just means worse teams have a chance to grip.

I think FSU has a legitimate gripe. Not here to say they don't. 1st time an undefeated conference champion has been left out. Georgia also had a historical 1st to be left out after going into their conference championship game being ranked #1.

I think Alabama is a better football team than either. There isn't a better college football win than beating Georgia in Georgia to win the SEC Championship.

Some people think record is what should matter. And I'm not here to say that's wrong. The committee seems to think the eye test and getting what they consider the best 4 teams regardless of record is what matters. I'm not here to say that's wrong.

I personally want the most competitive playoff games possible. I think Alabama gives us that. Fair or not.

 

[jm192]

Per ESPN:

FPI:

• Michigan 1
• Alabama 5
• Texas 7
• FSU 11
• Washington 13

SOS:

• Alabama 5
• Washington 11
• Texas 13
• Michigan 33
• FSU 55

Top 25 FPI record, ordered loosely in order of impressiveness IMO:

• Washington - 5-0 - Oregon (4), Oregon (4), Oregon State (18), Arizona (22), Utah (25)
• Alabama - 5-1 - wins: Georgia (6), LSU (9), Texas A&M (14), Ole Miss (15), Tennessee (17); losses: Texas (7)
• Michigan - 2-0 - wins: Ohio State (2), Penn State (3)
• FSU - 4-0 - wins: LSU (9), Clemson (19), Louisville (23), Miami (24)
• Texas - 2-1 - wins: Alabama (5), Kansas State (12); losses: Oklahoma (8)

Taking everything into consideration, IMO FSU should have been in over Texas. But FSU's schedule obviously opened the door for the QB situation to be used against them. Too bad for FSU that (1) Clemson was down; (2) Florida was down; and (3) they didn't have Notre Dame on the schedule this season.

I definitely think the conversation should be more about FSU over Texas rather than FSU over Bama.

Texas beat Bama head to head, and I think the committee didn't want to have to explain that away. It was just easier to use the FSU QB excuse. Right or not.

 

[hagmania]

Oregon is way too strong for Liberty. I hate that matchup for both teams. Liberty deserves a shot at a decent game but against somebody they would have a chance to beat, like Iowa or Oregon State for instance.

I love this matchup for both teams. I hope Oregon wins by 100.

-QG

And they just might. Myself I want to be entertained. Unless you’re an Oregon lover or a Liberty hater (?) that’s not entertainment.

Thus pro sports and college is moving towards scripted results for entertainment/ratings.Both pro and college football is big business.

I'll put in my application as head booker for the NCAA. We'll spice this thing right up.

 

[timschochet]

Oregon is way too strong for Liberty. I hate that matchup for both teams. Liberty deserves a shot at a decent game but against somebody they would have a chance to beat, like Iowa or Oregon State for instance.

I love this matchup for both teams. I hope Oregon wins by 100.

-QG

And they just might. Myself I want to be entertained. Unless you’re an Oregon lover or a Liberty hater (?) that’s not

Oregon is way too strong for Liberty. I hate that matchup for both teams. Liberty deserves a shot at a decent game but against somebody they would have a chance to beat, like Iowa or Oregon State for instance.

I hate that Ohio St is playing Missouri instead of Oregon.

My question in this game is always how well can the favorite get up for the game.

While I'm sure Oregon doesn't want to lose to Liberty--you've always got guys skipping bowl games. Some prepare for the draft. Some jump into the transfer portal. Whatever other reason comes up.

Liberty's guys are going to be excited and hungry to show that they can beat a P5 team. It could make for an exciting game.

I get what Tulane did last year. But Liberty is not at Tulane’s level.

 

[timschochet]

My UCLA Bruins:

1. Got crushed by Cal.
2. Decided to retain Chip Kelly.
3. Lost their 5 star freshman QB to the portal.
4. Lost their DC, the one bright spot in the coaching staff, to USC.

Now I see that their bowl game is 2 weeks from now against Boise State. I watched some Boise highlights from yesterday. The Bruins are going to get steamrolled.

 

[jm192]

My UCLA Bruins:

1. Got crushed by Cal.
2. Decided to retain Chip Kelly.
3. Lost their 5 star freshman QB to the portal.
4. Lost their DC, the one bright spot in the coaching staff, to USC.

Now I see that their bowl game is 2 weeks from now against Boise State. I watched some Boise highlights from yesterday. The Bruins are going to get steamrolled.

Oh wow. I didn't realize Moore was transferring. That's a huge blow.

 

[timschochet]

Louisville will happily discover that USC’s defense is not Florida State’s defense, I predict the Cardinals will recover their offense and beat the Trojans. I doubt Caleb will play.

 

[timschochet]

My UCLA Bruins:

1. Got crushed by Cal.
2. Decided to retain Chip Kelly.
3. Lost their 5 star freshman QB to the portal.
4. Lost their DC, the one bright spot in the coaching staff, to USC.

Now I see that their bowl game is 2 weeks from now against Boise State. I watched some Boise highlights from yesterday. The Bruins are going to get steamrolled.

Oh wow. I didn't realize Moore was transferring. That's a huge blow.

He announced he was leaving the day after the AD announced that Kelly was staying. Coincidence?

 

[Beef Ravioli Part 2]

Words I have NEVER uttered in my entire life. . . . Roll Damn Tide!

Ouch, how can you? I cheered so hard for you guys against Georgia last year.

Sorry, I. . . just can't. . . no hate just a little bitterness.

I am the opposite, I root for OSU every game except that last one in November. The better they look, the better we look in comparison.

That’s the difference between Buckeye fans and Wolverine fans. Buckeye fans won’t even say or write the word Michigan, much less root for them.

As I grew up in Ohio, have lots of friends on social media who are Buckeyes fans. They either use “*” or “TTUN” (That Team Up North) to refer to Michigan. They also routinely post photos of words or businesses that start with a capital M with the “M” crossed out. Die hard Buckeyes fans will NEVER root for Michigan, even if it’s against their own interest. Just ask @Sullie. “Roll Tide” posts are littering my feed right now.

I have a good buddy who’s UM all the way and I’m OSU all the way. He can’t understand how I can never root for UM, even in a bowl game that makes the conference look better. I just can’t do it! I attribute it to me growing up in the “Cooper Years” when we were embarrassed almost every year for 13 years.

ETA - Roll Tide!

 

[Tau837]

Yee

Alabama is the best team by the eye test but they have a loss when FSU and Texas don't

Texas has a loss, at home to Oklahoma.

Bama has a home loss too...to Texas.

Yes, got that. I was correcting @Zow's statement. Wasn't making a comprehensive statement about all teams involved here. Thatnks for your help, though.

 

[Instinctive]

Liberty ahead of SMU is the cherry on top - this committee did a horrible job

They chose the undefeated G5 team because they had less losses than the other team despite playing a weak schedule. Great system!

Well obviously, because winning all your games is the most important...oh wait

Liberty is 12-0 and sits more than ten spots removed from a 12 team playoff. The 10 teams ahead of Liberty all have 3 or 4 losses. It has always been and always will be a mythical national championship.

I think under next year’s rules they would have been in as the 12 seed. I believe you’ve said before you preferred it the old way (pre-BCS era) and while I disagree I get it. The BCS and the CFP are both half measures for sure, but sometimes stuff like that has to happen before we can get to where we really want to be, which for me is the way FCS does it. Do you think the FCS champion is mythical? Put aside whether or not you even think major college athletics should exist (they shouldn’t). That cat is out of the bag for now so while we’re here we might as well come up with the best way to crown a champion, if you ask me. In 25 years, if major college football still exists, I think we’ll look on this BCS/CFP stuff as a necessary transitional era. It doesn’t make it any less frustrating in the here and now though.

Yeah the 12-team makes a lot of sense. As I understand, it alleviates key concerns:
1. P5 conference champs get in
2. Highest G5 champ is in
3. Fill in the other 6 with the 6 remaining highest ranked teams

We'll have just as much fun arguing 10-15 for the final couple spots, and all the teams that really should be considered likely to win will be in.

You can bet your *** I’d be losing my mind in here if they put friggin Mizzou in over OU. We’ll still get to have mindless arguments everyone, I promise! It’ll be fun

We’ll have the arguments but most won’t care - nobody thinks Oklahoma would win a playoff this year. Maybe NIL will change things but as of now it feels like this year was an outlier in that there’s maybe 8 teams that could win it.

Whoah now. I still believe.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Not especially a big proponent of Oregon, @timschochet tbh.
But very much want to see them put up touchdown after touchdown in their bowl game.
-QG

 

[Capella]

Jordan Travis tweeted that he wished he broke his leg earlier in the season so people could see how good the team was without him. That sucked to see. Hope he doesn’t carry that with him.

 

[fantasycurse42]

You can currently get +350 on FSU being left out. I’m debating laying the hammer down on that one.

No way they leave Bama out after winning 11 straight, the SEC, and knocking UGA out. If they take Bama, they HAVE to take Texas. Someone has to get hosed, it won’t be Bama imo, and Texas gets to ride their coattail. Going to be some angry people in Tallahassee. In reality, without Travis, they have no chance, so I think that’s the right move.

So obvious

 

[Ilov80s]

Words I have NEVER uttered in my entire life. . . . Roll Damn Tide!

Ouch, how can you? I cheered so hard for you guys against Georgia last year.

Sorry, I. . . just can't. . . no hate just a little bitterness.

I am the opposite, I root for OSU every game except that last one in November. The better they look, the better we look in comparison.

That’s the difference between Buckeye fans and Wolverine fans. Buckeye fans won’t even say or write the word Michigan, much less root for them.

As I grew up in Ohio, have lots of friends on social media who are Buckeyes fans. They either use “*” or “TTUN” (That Team Up North) to refer to Michigan. They also routinely post photos of words or businesses that start with a capital M with the “M” crossed out. Die hard Buckeyes fans will NEVER root for Michigan, even if it’s against their own interest. Just ask @Sullie. “Roll Tide” posts are littering my feed right now.

I have a good buddy who’s UM all the way and I’m OSU all the way. He can’t understand how I can never root for UM, even in a bowl game that makes the conference look better. I just can’t do it! I attribute it to me growing up in the “Cooper Years” when we were embarrassed almost every year for 13 years.

ETA - Roll Tide!

My wife is like that. She will never cheer for OSU or MSU.

 

[jm192]

Louisville will happily discover that USC’s defense is not Florida State’s defense, I predict the Cardinals will recover their offense and beat the Trojans. I doubt Caleb will play.

As a Kentucky fan, Louisville getting knocked out of the Orange Bowl is the great thing that occurred today.

 

[The Commish]

If you ever wanted to see the committee fall flat on its face, here you go.....wow just wow. Now there is zero dispute over what this whole goat rodeo is about.

Totally disagree - and I was rooting for FSU to get in. I think they got it right.

Thats fine. This group thumbed their nose at the regular season in a huge way. If you're ok with that, cool. Im not. And the justification they gave isnt supported in their actions or UGA would be in the top 4.

Its rather obvious they are trying to have it both ways.

And haven't they said the exact opposite (resume is what matters, not who looks the best) in the past?

They change their mind on what matters every year. It really feels like they pick the teams they want and then backfill their alleged criteria to fit those 4 teams, rather than the other way around.

I honestly don’t have a problem with them using whatever justification they want to pick whichever teams make the most sense. I always thought it was dumb that people wanted them to uphold a certain set of criteria, the whole point of a committee is that they aren’t beholden to that kind of crap because each year is different. I just think they made the wrong choice this year.

To be clear, I don't either. I'm fine with them changing the rules every year making requirements a moving target. That's their prerogative and it happens all the time. The problem this time around is that the teams they picked don't match the criteria.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Jordan Travis tweeted that he wished he broke his leg earlier in the season so people could see how good the team was without him. That sucked to see. Hope he doesn’t carry that with him.

Read it…That made me emotional. He’s such a good kid and a teammate.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I saw that the head of the committee's first name is Boo. That ought to say it all.

 

[Tick]

I think Herbstreit is making a good point - the QB injury is what killed FSU.

This is why Cardale Jones never won a national title.

 

[Tick]

I wonder if OU gets a bump over the other 2-loss masses with SMU winning yesterday. OU will have two wins over NY6 teams, assuming SMU gets the nod, but seems like we are destined for the Alamo Bowl

I'm an OU alum, but who cares? OU is playoffs or bust. This year was a bust. I don't care if they finish 11th instead of 14th.

 

[culdeus]

I wonder if OU gets a bump over the other 2-loss masses with SMU winning yesterday. OU will have two wins over NY6 teams, assuming SMU gets the nod, but seems like we are destined for the Alamo Bowl

I'm an OU alum, but who cares? OU is playoffs or bust. This year was a bust. I don't care if they finish 11th instead of 14th.

? Playoffs is 12 not 14? Feel like I'm missing something though

 

[The Commish]

Jordan Travis tweeted that he wished he broke his leg earlier in the season so people could see how good the team was without him. That sucked to see. Hope he doesn’t carry that with him.

These are gut punches. Pathetic. From your AD...well said BTW:

"The consequences of giving in to a narrative of the moment are destructive, far reaching, and permanent. Not just for Florida State, but college football as a whole."
"The argument of whether a team is the 'most deserving OR best' is a false equivalence. It renders the season up to yesterday irrelevant and significantly damages the legitimacy of the College Football Playoff. The 2023 Florida State Seminoles are the epitome of a total TEAM. To eliminate them from a chance to compete for a national championship is an unwarranted injustice that shows complete disregard and disrespect for their performance and accomplishments. It is unforgiveable."
"The fact that this team has continued to close out victories in dominant fashion facing our current quarterback situation should have ENHANCED our case to get a playoff berth EARNED on the field. Instead, the committee decided to elevate themselves and 'make history' today by departing from what makes this sport great by excluding an undefeated Power 5 conference champion for the first time since the advent of the BCS/CFP era that began 25 years ago. This ridiculous decision is a departure from the competitive expectations that have stood the test of time in college football."
"Wins matter. Losses matter. Those that compete in the arena know this. Those on the committee who also competed in the sport and should have known this have forgotten it. Today, they changed the way success is assessed in college football, from a tangible metric - winning on the field - to an intangible, subjective one. Evidently, predicting the future matters more."
"For many of us, today's decision by the committee has forever damaged the credibility of the institution that is the College Football Playoff. And, saddest of all, it was self-inflicted. They chose predictive competitiveness over proven performance; subjectivity over fact. They have become a committee of prognosticators. They have abandoned their responsibility by discarding their purpose – to evaluate performance on the field."
"Our players, coaches, and fans - as well as all those who love this sport - deserve better. The committee failed college football today."

If already posted, apologies.

 

[Tick]

I wonder if OU gets a bump over the other 2-loss masses with SMU winning yesterday. OU will have two wins over NY6 teams, assuming SMU gets the nod, but seems like we are destined for the Alamo Bowl

I'm an OU alum, but who cares? OU is playoffs or bust. This year was a bust. I don't care if they finish 11th instead of 14th.

? Playoffs is 12 not 14? Feel like I'm missing something though

I don't care where OU finishes if it's outside the top 4.

 

[nysfl2]

Liberty ahead of SMU is the cherry on top - this committee did a horrible job

They chose the undefeated G5 team because they had less losses than the other team despite playing a weak schedule. Great system!

Well obviously, because winning all your games is the most important...oh wait

Liberty is 12-0 and sits more than ten spots removed from a 12 team playoff. The 10 teams ahead of Liberty all have 3 or 4 losses. It has always been and always will be a mythical national championship.

I think under next year’s rules they would have been in as the 12 seed. I believe you’ve said before you preferred it the old way (pre-BCS era) and while I disagree I get it. The BCS and the CFP are both half measures for sure, but sometimes stuff like that has to happen before we can get to where we really want to be, which for me is the way FCS does it. Do you think the FCS champion is mythical? Put aside whether or not you even think major college athletics should exist (they shouldn’t). That cat is out of the bag for now so while we’re here we might as well come up with the best way to crown a champion, if you ask me. In 25 years, if major college football still exists, I think we’ll look on this BCS/CFP stuff as a necessary transitional era. It doesn’t make it any less frustrating in the here and now though.

I think the FCS playoffs are a great system and have no problem with that. A 12 team football bracket will probably be fun in some ways, but I also think we have to agree the tradition and magic of college football is pretty much gone at that point. Things like conference championships and new years day bowl games are pretty much already a thing of the past and will have even less meaning next year. We could easily get 6 or 7 boring games and then a final like last year where a team lost by almost 60 points. I also think there will always be unintended consequences of changes like this that are hard for us to predict. For example, we've just seen an undefeated FSU left out of the playoff because their quarterback is injured. Imagine this year if Oregon and LSU are trying to make a 12 team tournament but everyone knows Daniels and Nix are not going to play? The issues we see as massive problems today will surely be replaced with similar problems when they go to 12, 32, etc.

Right. I'm the current system, Michigan vs Ohio state is everything. Have to win that game to win the big ten and move on to bigger things.

Now, you lose that game, and it sucks. Until they play again next week in the big ten championship. And then they both make the new playoffs and might meet again in a few more weeks. Cheapens everything about the regular season.

 

[Da Guru]

My UCLA Bruins:

1. Got crushed by Cal.
2. Decided to retain Chip Kelly.
3. Lost their 5 star freshman QB to the portal.
4. Lost their DC, the one bright spot in the coaching staff, to USC.

Now I see that their bowl game is 2 weeks from now against Boise State. I watched some Boise highlights from yesterday. The Bruins are going to get steamrolled.

Oh wow. I didn't realize Moore was transferring. That's a huge blow.

Moore got paid and left and will get paid again at his next stop.

Moore did not have a good season but has skills. Saw him play in HS a few times.

 

[Instinctive]

Liberty ahead of SMU is the cherry on top - this committee did a horrible job

They chose the undefeated G5 team because they had less losses than the other team despite playing a weak schedule. Great system!

Well obviously, because winning all your games is the most important...oh wait

Liberty is 12-0 and sits more than ten spots removed from a 12 team playoff. The 10 teams ahead of Liberty all have 3 or 4 losses. It has always been and always will be a mythical national championship.

I think under next year’s rules they would have been in as the 12 seed. I believe you’ve said before you preferred it the old way (pre-BCS era) and while I disagree I get it. The BCS and the CFP are both half measures for sure, but sometimes stuff like that has to happen before we can get to where we really want to be, which for me is the way FCS does it. Do you think the FCS champion is mythical? Put aside whether or not you even think major college athletics should exist (they shouldn’t). That cat is out of the bag for now so while we’re here we might as well come up with the best way to crown a champion, if you ask me. In 25 years, if major college football still exists, I think we’ll look on this BCS/CFP stuff as a necessary transitional era. It doesn’t make it any less frustrating in the here and now though.

I think the FCS playoffs are a great system and have no problem with that. A 12 team football bracket will probably be fun in some ways, but I also think we have to agree the tradition and magic of college football is pretty much gone at that point. Things like conference championships and new years day bowl games are pretty much already a thing of the past and will have even less meaning next year. We could easily get 6 or 7 boring games and then a final like last year where a team lost by almost 60 points. I also think there will always be unintended consequences of changes like this that are hard for us to predict. For example, we've just seen an undefeated FSU left out of the playoff because their quarterback is injured. Imagine this year if Oregon and LSU are trying to make a 12 team tournament but everyone knows Daniels and Nix are not going to play? The issues we see as massive problems today will surely be replaced with similar problems when they go to 12, 32, etc.

Right. I'm the current system, Michigan vs Ohio state is everything. Have to win that game to win the big ten and move on to bigger things.

Now, you lose that game, and it sucks. Until they play again next week in the big ten championship. And then they both make the new playoffs and might meet again in a few more weeks. Cheapens everything about the regular season.

Yeah I mean the best system would be 6 teams. P5 champs and highest ranked G5 champ. Win your conference to have a shot.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I’m completely impartial to all of the teams (I root UM bc of JH’s 49ers’ connection, but that has no bearing on my opinion). I think they got it right. These are the 4 best teams, the SECC was a defacto playoff game as you can make the argument for UGA, but losing to Bama was the end for them. FSU simply wouldn’t be able to win without Travis, it’s a harsh reality. In the end, someone was getting hosed no matter what.

 

[Penguin]

Latest point spreads:

Michigan -1.5
Texas -4.5

Georgia -14 Florida State at Fan Dual

 

[culdeus]

Latest point spreads:

Michigan -1.5
Texas -4.5

Georgia -14 Florida State at Fan Dual

I mean won't every single NFL bound player on both sides sit it out?

 

[gianmarco]

I wish FSU refused to show up.