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2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (4 Viewers)
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Well they did say 72 hours...
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Believe it or not the biggest thing I had against Norvell was his first name
After Price, DuBose, and Shula I'm done with Mikes.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
I think when he said that he thought he had Lanning. Pretty unnecessary to put that deadline in place, but I think we ended up with a good hire and can hopefully stem some of the portal losses.
I really am fearful of a Harsin situation though. I hope he acclimates quickly.
The Commish
Footballguy
He better find someone who knows defense.
Sand
Footballguy
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
What a roller coaster week in Montlake and for Husky fans. In the natty….lose the natty….dunk all over Oregon fans when it looks like Lanning is leaving…..Lanning stays…..and then it ends up being DeBoer instead.
Added to basically every player who touched the ball last year (QB1, RB1, WR 1-3, TE 1-2 along with the LT) graduating or declaring for the draft. And now here comes the transfer portal to finish it, CB1 kicking things off by entering seemingly from the team meeting. Ooooof.
As for DeBoer, dude is a stud. He regularly beat teams with superior rosters, just look at his career record against ranked teams (12-2?). His offense has worked everywhere he’s been. The only knock on him has been recruiting, will the Bama cachet and NIL machine keep that going? If so, and he doesn’t have any problems managing the huge expectations there, he’s gonna be great.
Added to basically every player who touched the ball last year (QB1, RB1, WR 1-3, TE 1-2 along with the LT) graduating or declaring for the draft. And now here comes the transfer portal to finish it, CB1 kicking things off by entering seemingly from the team meeting. Ooooof.
As for DeBoer, dude is a stud. He regularly beat teams with superior rosters, just look at his career record against ranked teams (12-2?). His offense has worked everywhere he’s been. The only knock on him has been recruiting, will the Bama cachet and NIL machine keep that going? If so, and he doesn’t have any problems managing the huge expectations there, he’s gonna be great.
It's my understanding they said it for the players. To sit tight for 72 hours as they'd have a guy.
gump
Footballguy
Funny thing is he was in the Alabama Athletic facilities all day yesterday...while pulling these strings.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Alabama was 67-55 in the 10 years preceding Saban.
Yes they have lots of history and tradition to help them draw recruits but so did Michigan, Penn St, Notre Dame, Texas, Florida, USC, Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc. And we've seen all of those schools struggle through periods of middlingness after losing great coaches when they couldn't strike lightning in a bottle twice in a row.
Yes it will be less difficult to do at Bama than most places, but it still takes a really special coach to do it consistently, regardless of the university.
General Malaise
Footballguy
There is really only one school that has lost multiple coaches in the last 20 years and avoided a prolonged backside and that school is the University of Oregon and take that to the bank brosaritas.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Washington went 0-12 in that same time frame. Lol.
gump
Footballguy
How Bama confirms a new Pope (famous local bbq Archibalds)
Capella
Footballguy
It was a tweet from Dan Wolken
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Why do all the coachs keep leaving Oregon? Seems like a destination job not a stepping stone.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Washinton Dad of former players said Deboer talked about loyalty, culture and commitment,
TimOtton
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Coach DeBoer is a good man. The care Coach showed for Ryan when he lost his mom was real and genuine and I'm thankful for that. That said, if I hear words like "culture", "family" or "loyalty" from any college coach again I'll throw up in my mouth. they mean spit in College football
3:30 PM · Jan 12, 2024
TimOtton
@TimOtton
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Coach DeBoer is a good man. The care Coach showed for Ryan when he lost his mom was real and genuine and I'm thankful for that. That said, if I hear words like "culture", "family" or "loyalty" from any college coach again I'll throw up in my mouth. they mean spit in College football
3:30 PM · Jan 12, 2024
jm192
Footballguy
I'm not saying they weren't down before Saban.
I'm saying they're one of the all-time premier programs. Kids will still want to play for Alabama. DeBoer will recruit better at Alabama than he does at Washington.
I'm not predicting success for DeBoer or a championship. Time will tell. But I Don't think they'll lack for talent.
jm192
Footballguy
One would think so with the insane Nike support.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Mike Bellotti retired. He's never coached again.
Chip Kelley's dream was to coach in the NFL. He had initial success but will never sniff the NFL again. His hold on the UCLA job is tenuous at best.
Mark Helfrich took the team to the Natty. He fell apart after that. He was the only Oregon head coach who was fired during any of our lifetimes. That's something. He was an OC for the Bears. It went.....not good.
Willie Taggart was a snake oil salesman. He used Oregon as a stepping stone. He will never get another good college football head coaching job again. He's a RB coach for Baltimore.
Mario Cristobal backed into the HC job with Oregon. He's a lunckhead. He might be the worst game calling coach the sport has seen in 5 years. If he lasts another 2 years at Miami I would be shocked.
Cautionary tale leaving Oregon. The grass is not greener. Nobody has greener grass than Oregon and that's the truth, Ruth.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Because it's a tiny little town a million miles from where the real action is. Guys in power have wanderlust. And Eugene is too small for their egos.
jm192
Footballguy
I can't fault anyone for taking a better job and/or making more money.
If the son of that dad has a chance at the NFL, he isn't going to stay at Washington because of loyalty and family. I get the frustration. But I can't fault the guy for making the move.
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
so I'd expect it to be heavily connected to him. But I have no doubt they'll transition quickly. Alabama of all schools knows the power of money for players. I think they'll be fine. I wouldn't say they're "way" behind. I'd think they have a transition to make.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Pompliano tweeted about sexton using this opening to get raises for Lanning, Norvell and Sark, then getting his guy DeBoer in there
Interesting.
TheOsceola - Head coach Mike Norvell staying at FSU, not taking Alabama job
Head coach Mike Norvell will be staying at FSU and not be taking the Alabama job, he announced Friday afternoon.floridastate.rivals.com
Jimmy Sexton is unbeaten. Norvell deserved a raise but geez.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
As you may have heard from Joe …Pompliano tweeted about sexton using this opening to get raises for Lanning, Norvell and Sark, then getting his guy DeBoer in there
Interesting.
TheOsceola - Head coach Mike Norvell staying at FSU, not taking Alabama job
Head coach Mike Norvell will be staying at FSU and not be taking the Alabama job, he announced Friday afternoon.
Jimmy Sexton is unbeaten. Norvell deserved a raise but geez.
(When he wasn’t busy posting assurances about the Eagles)
Capella
Footballguy
I will say, that’s a pretty awesome landing spot for Willie. They may win the Super Bowl and they’ve churned some running backs this year. Crazy his career arch.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Apparently he is the Head coach at Florida Atlantic now
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I agree, I said before college football and basketball as we have known it is gone forever, and it is not coming back. It is to the point why even make the players attend school if they don`t want to. Pay them a salary and let them play football and basketball under a schools name.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
And it was probably what he should have been all along.
need2know
Footballguy
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Dan Wolken sucks. I dont think he even likes college football. Never read anything positive about anything college football from him.
jm192
Footballguy
That is crazy. Out of site out of mind.
Looking back, it's kind of crazy to track Taggart's rise. I'm a WKU graduate and always have been blown away at his path.
He was a 4 year starter at WKU. He's one of 4 guys to have a jersey retired by WKU. He graduated in 98 and then spent the next 8 years rising through the WKU assist ranks. After a short stint at Stanford, he became the HC at WKU. This guy SCREAMS WKU Lifer.
He was pretty mediocre as HC. He went 2-10, 7-5, 7-5. He got WKU to their 1st ever bowl game (they hadn't been D-1 very long), and then got the USF Job.
He goes under .500 at USF. His last 2 seasons were good. He went 10-2 his last season. But 10-2 in the AAC gets you the Oregon job?
He has 1 mediocre season at Oregon, going 7-5. He had a losing record in the PAC-10. So of course he gets the FSU job. He finally flamed out at FSU and started falling down the ladder.
whoknew
Footballguy
Harbaughs love him. Played for Jack. Coached with Jim at Stanford. And now John.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
It's rough, but is better for a guy like Saban to go too early than too late. The program is better off.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Heard someone on a podcast today say “NIL has been around in some parts of the country for years. The difference now is that it’s gone national.”
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
The difference now is that it's legal.
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Heard someone on a podcast today say “NIL has been around in some parts of the country for years. The difference now is that it’s gone national.”
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Heard someone on a podcast today say “NIL has been around in some parts of the country for years. The difference now is that it’s gone national.”
For all the
the reality though is a legal NIL hits the Alabamas and Ohio States hard as it cuts away at some of their advantage they've long had.
gump
Footballguy
Trying to follow…Bama’s fanbase has been funneling $ to players illegally for years at a higher level than Tennessee and others, but now Bama’s NIL$ support is falling behind because it’s legal?
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Heard someone on a podcast today say “NIL has been around in some parts of the country for years. The difference now is that it’s gone national.”
For all the
Trying to follow…Bama’s fanbase has been funneling $ to players illegally for years at a higher level than Tennessee and others, but now Bama’s NIL$ support is falling behind because it’s legal?
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Heard someone on a podcast today say “NIL has been around in some parts of the country for years. The difference now is that it’s gone national.”
For all the
Other schools now can funnel money. It's not so much Alabama falling behind. Others are catching up. And that narrows the gap.
gump
Footballguy
Other schools like Tennessee?Trying to follow…Bama’s fanbase has been funneling $ to players illegally for years at a higher level than Tennessee and others, but now Bama’s NIL$ support is falling behind because it’s legal?
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Heard someone on a podcast today say “NIL has been around in some parts of the country for years. The difference now is that it’s gone national.”
For all the
Other schools now can funnel money. It's not so much Alabama falling behind. Others are catching up. And that narrows the gap.
massraider
Footballguy
My take is that for like a decade, 5 stars were willing to sit for two years at Bama. It blew me away for years how many studs they recruited, who were willing to do that.
Now, those guys would be turning down real money to do that. So, that happens a lot less.
gump
Footballguy
That’s definitely a challenge…but top players still value Developement over NIL, as The Athletic’s poll showed…20/20 anonymous 4 and 5-stars said it was more important to them. Saban developed better than anyone ever…that won’t be the case with DeBoer.
Other schools like Tennessee?Trying to follow…Bama’s fanbase has been funneling $ to players illegally for years at a higher level than Tennessee and others, but now Bama’s NIL$ support is falling behind because it’s legal?
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Heard someone on a podcast today say “NIL has been around in some parts of the country for years. The difference now is that it’s gone national.”
For all the
Other schools now can funnel money. It's not so much Alabama falling behind. Others are catching up. And that narrows the gap.
Sure. But I think the schools like Texas A&M and Texas with tons more money are the ones that will most benefit.
gump
Footballguy
Your coach recently got a Show Cause for paying recruits. Bryant learned how to get boosters to drop hay bails of money in recruits yards at Texas AM. Bama cheated for sure…just like everyone else.Other schools like Tennessee?Trying to follow…Bama’s fanbase has been funneling $ to players illegally for years at a higher level than Tennessee and others, but now Bama’s NIL$ support is falling behind because it’s legal?
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Heard someone on a podcast today say “NIL has been around in some parts of the country for years. The difference now is that it’s gone national.”
For all the
Other schools now can funnel money. It's not so much Alabama falling behind. Others are catching up. And that narrows the gap.
Sure. But I think the schools like Texas A&M and Texas with tons more money are the ones that will most benefit.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Kliff Kingsberry rumored to Washington? Interesting.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
So two of the four teams moving to the B1G will have no defense?
Capella
Footballguy
I have no problem with Bama paying guys and cheating at all. FSU did it all throughout the 90s. But the advantage is definitely thinned out with NIL and the portal now.Your coach recently got a Show Cause for paying recruits. Bryant learned how to get boosters to drop hay bails of money in recruits yards at Texas AM. Bama cheated for sure…just like everyone else.Other schools like Tennessee?Trying to follow…Bama’s fanbase has been funneling $ to players illegally for years at a higher level than Tennessee and others, but now Bama’s NIL$ support is falling behind because it’s legal?
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Heard someone on a podcast today say “NIL has been around in some parts of the country for years. The difference now is that it’s gone national.”
For all the
Other schools now can funnel money. It's not so much Alabama falling behind. Others are catching up. And that narrows the gap.
Sure. But I think the schools like Texas A&M and Texas with tons more money are the ones that will most benefit.
gump
Footballguy
Jimbo Fisher signing the Best Class Ever isn’t what I’d call thinning out…I think it’s in danger of going more top-heavy.I have no problem with Bama paying guys and cheating at all. FSU did it all throughout the 90s. But the advantage is definitely thinned out with NIL and the portal now.Your coach recently got a Show Cause for paying recruits. Bryant learned how to get boosters to drop hay bails of money in recruits yards at Texas AM. Bama cheated for sure…just like everyone else.Other schools like Tennessee?Trying to follow…Bama’s fanbase has been funneling $ to players illegally for years at a higher level than Tennessee and others, but now Bama’s NIL$ support is falling behind because it’s legal?
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Heard someone on a podcast today say “NIL has been around in some parts of the country for years. The difference now is that it’s gone national.”
For all the
Other schools now can funnel money. It's not so much Alabama falling behind. Others are catching up. And that narrows the gap.
Sure. But I think the schools like Texas A&M and Texas with tons more money are the ones that will most benefit.
ETA: there is a lot of talk around NIL guardrails…will be a crazy couple of years.
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Phil Elliott
Footballguy
TAMU threw a lot of potential NIL $ at getting rid of Jimbo.Other schools like Tennessee?Trying to follow…Bama’s fanbase has been funneling $ to players illegally for years at a higher level than Tennessee and others, but now Bama’s NIL$ support is falling behind because it’s legal?
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Heard someone on a podcast today say “NIL has been around in some parts of the country for years. The difference now is that it’s gone national.”
For all the
Other schools now can funnel money. It's not so much Alabama falling behind. Others are catching up. And that narrows the gap.
Sure. But I think the schools like Texas A&M and Texas with tons more money are the ones that will most benefit.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
How’d that work out for him again?Jimbo Fisher signing the Best Class Ever isn’t what I’d call ‘thinning out’…I think it’s going more top-heavy.I have no problem with Bama paying guys and cheating at all. FSU did it all throughout the 90s. But the advantage is definitely thinned out with NIL and the portal now.Your coach recently got a Show Cause for paying recruits. Bryant learned how to get boosters to drop hay bails of money in recruits yards at Texas AM. Bama cheated for sure…just like everyone else.Other schools like Tennessee?Trying to follow…Bama’s fanbase has been funneling $ to players illegally for years at a higher level than Tennessee and others, but now Bama’s NIL$ support is falling behind because it’s legal?
It'll be interesting to see. Most people feel Saban's been doing NIL for a long time
Heard someone on a podcast today say “NIL has been around in some parts of the country for years. The difference now is that it’s gone national.”
For all the
Other schools now can funnel money. It's not so much Alabama falling behind. Others are catching up. And that narrows the gap.
Sure. But I think the schools like Texas A&M and Texas with tons more money are the ones that will most benefit.
I agree with the premise that a few schools had the financial advantage with recruiting for years. Not talking facilities, talking dropping bags (or houses). We saw it out here with USC. And I’m not throwing stones, I’m sure Oregon was trying to cheat too, just wasn’t nearly as good at it as others so didn’t have the recruiting results.
And now that it’s all (sort of) legal, programs that hadn’t dialed that in can take advantage and I do think the playing field has leveled. The distribution of 5 and 4 star kids has become a bit less concentrated, used to be 4-5 schools got like 80% of them. Forward thinking programs jumped on the rule change, and others (it seems Clemson and USC are examples) have been slower to react.
Same can be said for the transfer portal. Teams now have GMs to manage the roster. Those top high school kids are being even further distributed in years 2 and 3 through the portal. You’re not likely to see as much of what Bama and a few others have had for years in terms of blue chip kids 2nd and 3rd on the depth chart (which makes what Oregon did at QB last month so interesting).
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