2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (3 Viewers)

[Peak]

Contrary to what the pitchfork mob would have us believe, the concession Michigan got for not going to court was for the B1G to close its investigation.

That is being interpreted by most reputable media sources to mean there will be no additional "pile on" punishment from the B1G (which was their right under Rule 32) once the NCAA investigation concludes.

Both sides will now live with what the NCAA determines is appropriate.

Nicole Auerbach from NBCSports is reporting more specifics on X:

Big Ten will not impose any additional penalties against Michigan unless the NCAA finds/proves that one or more of Michigan’s countable coaches were involved in the Connor Stalions scheme, a league source told me.

Your post sort of contradicts itself....
1) The B1G wasn't conducting an investigation. They don't have an investigating arm, and were using the evidence as provided by the NCAA and it's investigation.
2) The county court where this was registered state that UoM "voluntarily dismissed their complaint". Even the official B1G statement claims that Michigan withdrew. The only place I saw that there were any "concessions" was from the UoM statement. No other source seems to mention that point. But as you said, the media mob latched on to a false story and is running with this "concessions" theory.
3) B1G's statement is that they are deferring any further punishment until the NCAA concludes their investigation. That is a lot different than saying "there will be no additional pile on punishiment from B1G". If more evidence is discovered, and alot of tea-leaves are pointing in that direction following the student/athlete interviews this week, then the conference can/will impose additional punishment as it deems fit based on new evidence as provided by the NCAA investigation.
4) Your quote from Auerbach even says what I pointed out in point 3 above, which contradicts your second statement of this post. Her full post was:

The Big Ten is now deferring to the NCAA and its penalty process.
Big Ten will not impose any additional penalties against Michigan unless the NCAA finds/proves that one or more of Michigan’s countable coaches were involved in the Connor Stalions scheme, a league source told me.

 

[The Commish]

Don't know if anyone listens to the Rich Eisen show but I'll post this just to add to the "fuel". It's almost like my cousin's brother's wife's nephew sort of stuff. He had RG3 on and Rich asked about Paul Finebaum and his change of direction on Harbaugh (he's apparently saying throw the book at him now). RG3 basically alluded to them (ESPN) having some sort of confirming info that they're keeping under wraps. Couple that with Michigan/Harbaugh accepting the penalty. Makes you wonder.

We can just go with "follow the money" when it comes to the networks and their talking heads. The ESPN talking heads got their marching orders just like the FOX guys did.

 

[The Commish]

What do we call it when the conference evaluates "evidence" presented them?

 

[3C's]

Don't know if anyone listens to the Rich Eisen show but I'll post this just to add to the "fuel". It's almost like my cousin's brother's wife's nephew sort of stuff. He had RG3 on and Rich asked about Paul Finebaum and his change of direction on Harbaugh (he's apparently saying throw the book at him now). RG3 basically alluded to them (ESPN) having some sort of confirming info that they're keeping under wraps. Couple that with Michigan/Harbaugh accepting the penalty. Makes you wonder.

We can just go with "follow the money" when it comes to the networks and their talking heads. The ESPN talking heads got their marching orders just like the FOX guys did.

Possibly. I could see it with Fox and to some extent ESPN. Not sure that would be the case with RG3 as an individual but he could have been misled by someone within the org for sure. Time will tell.

Oh, another thing he said. The sign stealing didn't give them an advantage.

 

[3C's]

Here's the video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2HCRZwlJ50

 

[gump]

Don't know if anyone listens to the Rich Eisen show but I'll post this just to add to the "fuel". It's almost like my cousin's brother's wife's nephew sort of stuff. He had RG3 on and Rich asked about Paul Finebaum and his change of direction on Harbaugh (he's apparently saying throw the book at him now). RG3 basically alluded to them (ESPN) having some sort of confirming info that they're keeping under wraps. Couple that with Michigan/Harbaugh accepting the penalty. Makes you wonder.

We can just go with "follow the money" when it comes to the networks and their talking heads. The ESPN talking heads got their marching orders just like the FOX guys did.

Welcome to the party that Bama fans have been hosting for 16 years.

 

[Stoneworker]

Contrary to what the pitchfork mob would have us believe, the concession Michigan got for not going to court was for the B1G to close its investigation.

That is being interpreted by most reputable media sources to mean there will be no additional "pile on" punishment from the B1G (which was their right under Rule 32) once the NCAA investigation concludes.

Both sides will now live with what the NCAA determines is appropriate.

Nicole Auerbach from NBCSports is reporting more specifics on X:

Big Ten will not impose any additional penalties against Michigan unless the NCAA finds/proves that one or more of Michigan’s countable coaches were involved in the Connor Stalions scheme, a league source told me.

Your post sort of contradicts itself....
1) The B1G wasn't conducting an investigation. They don't have an investigating arm, and were using the evidence as provided by the NCAA and it's investigation.
2) The county court where this was registered state that UoM "voluntarily dismissed their complaint". Even the official B1G statement claims that Michigan withdrew. The only place I saw that there were any "concessions" was from the UoM statement. No other source seems to mention that point. But as you said, the media mob latched on to a false story and is running with this "concessions" theory.
3) B1G's statement is that they are deferring any further punishment until the NCAA concludes their investigation. That is a lot different than saying "there will be no additional pile on punishiment from B1G". If more evidence is discovered, and alot of tea-leaves are pointing in that direction following the student/athlete interviews this week, then the conference can/will impose additional punishment as it deems fit based on new evidence as provided by the NCAA investigation.
4) Your quote from Auerbach even says what I pointed out in point 3 above, which contradicts your second statement of this post. Her full post was:

The Big Ten is now deferring to the NCAA and its penalty process.
Big Ten will not impose any additional penalties against Michigan unless the NCAA finds/proves that one or more of Michigan’s countable coaches were involved in the Connor Stalions scheme, a league source told me.

APNews reported almost exactly what I posted.

The school also didn’t want to drag the dispute into court and negotiated for the conference to close its investigation, according to a person familiar with the matter.

I provided the Auerbach tweet precisely because it added the caveat of other coaches' potential involvement being a condition of potential further penalties.

Nothing about that is remotely contradictory to the rest of my post.

Harbaugh to serve out suspension, Big Ten ends Michigan sign-stealing investigation in settlement

Michigan has announced that football coach Jim Harbaugh will serve the remainder of a three-game suspension from the Big Ten in return for the conference ending its investigation into a yearslong scheme to steal opponents' play-calling signals.

apnews.com

 

[Stoneworker]

From the official Michigan statement...does anyone think that Michigan didn't have an army of lawyers going over every word in that statement for legal accuracy? And if it's not legally accurate, why hasn't the B1G demanded a retraction?

"This morning, the University, Coach Harbaugh, and the Big Ten resolved their pending litigation," the university's statement read. "The Conference agreed to close its investigation, and the University and Coach Harbaugh agreed to accept the three-game suspension.

 

[Da Guru]

Good move as it would just be a huge distraction. Can`t fight city hall.

Wasn't it just a few days ago UoM had a big PR push that they were going to fight this all the way to the courts? That they were going to stand together and stand tall for what was right?
Now they are reversing course, and because now it's a distraction? This whole thing is a distraction! If they were just going to accept the punishment to not become a distraction, then why not do that last week? Instead they prolonged it, made a big public outcry for Due Process, then they are within hours of their time to shine in court and they back down so it isn't a distraction?

Just the new excuse of the day. In no particular order.

Everyone is doing it.
It didn't really help because beat Penn State without him.
One rogue assistant
Witch hunt to get Michigan

I am sure I am missing some.

MSU-Notre Dame this weekend! Used to be a big game decades ago.

 

[Desert_Power]

No, not really. Mark Richt had 15 seasons there before Smart arrived. He won 10 games or more 9 times. He finished six seasons in the top 10. .739 winning %

Sumlin lasted 6 years. Won 10 or more games once. 1 top 10 finish. Won 66% of his games.
Fisher also lasted 6 years. Never won 10 games. Had a top 10 finish once during 2020 Covid year. Won 64% of his games.

You don't want me to go back any further. Sherman and Franchione were disasters.

Comparing Georgia to A&M is like comparing a mountain in the Rockies to a mountain in the Himalayas.

It's not the worst example. Georgia had a title in the 80s and a handful of conference titles in the interim to their recent run. If the goalpost move is winning % now I guess ok. Georgia before smart was unable to win the big games in the modern SEC. It's not completely unreasonable with Saudi money to push TAMU up to pre-Smart Georgia levels. With the 24 team playoff or whatever it is now they'll get a chance.

We will agree to disagree on the comparison of pre-Smart Georgia to whatever it is Texas A&M thinks it is right now. I'm of a mind that Georgia was a much better football team that was closer to elite under Mark Richt than A&M was at any point during the same time period. I didn't move any goal posts, I went through and posted facts. If I asked my 4 year old niece what's more impressive, "Nine seasons where a team won at least 10 games or one season where a team won at least 10 games" she'd be able to answer. This isn't hard. This isn't moving goal posts. It's showing you numbers.

That's not where TAMU thinks they are now. Georgia went thru a down cycle, took a small step up with Richt but was not seriously competitive for a title, then made another big step up. There was alot of doubt whether they were a "good job" at the time and whether they could get thru Alabama or even the East.

The thought that TAMU couldn't get to the Richt level with the current NIL, playoff, and other factors is just bias. Can the next step be the Smart era? Doubtful, but with the huge playoff they can get a seat and make a run with the right QB and execution. It's much easier to get a title now than it was 5-10 years ago from a non blue-blood position and with the portal and NIL you can turn around a team instantly. SEC should get 2+ teams in yearly. Richt would have gotten in nearly every year. Might have stuck around longer.

Get to an SEC conference title game, and I'll start changing my mind on them. Start winning 10 games minimum per season and I'll start buying in. Those are good goals, attainable ones. Until I start seeing that I'll consider everything else a stretch goal for the Aggies. And that's okay.

But man, there were high hopes and lofty expectations that Jimbo and his recruits and all that money was going to elevate the program and it didn't. It wasn't any better than Sumlin who at least made A&M interesting.

Crawl
Walk
Jog <-----------TAMU is here
Run
Sprint

Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

 

[Da Guru]

Good move as it would just be a huge distraction. Can`t fight city hall.

Wasn't it just a few days ago UoM had a big PR push that they were going to fight this all the way to the courts? That they were going to stand together and stand tall for what was right?
Now they are reversing course, and because now it's a distraction? This whole thing is a distraction! If they were just going to accept the punishment to not become a distraction, then why not do that last week? Instead they prolonged it, made a big public outcry for Due Process, then they are within hours of their time to shine in court and they back down so it isn't a distraction?

That is my "personal opinion", I am not privy to what the BIG and Michigan decided.

 

[Stoneworker]

From the Detroit News....

The agreement made Thursday with the Big Ten ensures the conference would only consider imposing any additional penalties if the NCAA determines at the conclusion of its investigation that a member of the Michigan football coaching staff was aware of Stalions' activities and tried to conceal them or was directly involved in helping him.

 

[msudaisy26]

Good move as it would just be a huge distraction. Can`t fight city hall.

Wasn't it just a few days ago UoM had a big PR push that they were going to fight this all the way to the courts? That they were going to stand together and stand tall for what was right?
Now they are reversing course, and because now it's a distraction? This whole thing is a distraction! If they were just going to accept the punishment to not become a distraction, then why not do that last week? Instead they prolonged it, made a big public outcry for Due Process, then they are within hours of their time to shine in court and they back down so it isn't a distraction?

Just the new excuse of the day. In no particular order.

Everyone is doing it.
It didn't really help because beat Penn State without him.
One rogue assistant
Witch hunt to get Michigan

I am sure I am missing some.

MSU-Notre Dame this weekend! Used to be a big game decades ago.

Sick burn bro.

 

[Peak]

From the Detroit News....

The agreement made Thursday with the Big Ten ensures the conference would only consider imposing any additional penalties if the NCAA determines at the conclusion of its investigation that a member of the Michigan football coaching staff was aware of Stalions' activities and tried to conceal them or was directly involved in helping him.

Again, the conference never did any investigating. They were provided evidence by the NCAA who is currently investigating. So your DFP article is parroting the UoM statement. The actual B1G statement reads that it defers to the NCAA and it's investigation, and should new information arise will determine if any additional penalties are warranted.

So your underlined statement is half true. I linked the B1G official statement above. It's pretty straightforward yet all of the pro-MI reporters tend to mis-interpret it. Funny, huh?

 

[Stoneworker]

From the Detroit News....

The agreement made Thursday with the Big Ten ensures the conference would only consider imposing any additional penalties if the NCAA determines at the conclusion of its investigation that a member of the Michigan football coaching staff was aware of Stalions' activities and tried to conceal them or was directly involved in helping him.

Again, the conference never did any investigating. They were provided evidence by the NCAA who is currently investigating. So your DFP article is parroting the UoM statement. The actual B1G statement reads that it defers to the NCAA and it's investigation, and should new information arise will determine if any additional penalties are warranted.

So your underlined statement is half true. I linked the B1G official statement above. It's pretty straightforward yet all of the pro-MI reporters tend to mis-interpret it. Funny, huh?

If you think that a public academic institution is going to knowingly issue a legally/false/misleading statement explicitly saying "the conference has closed its investigation," and then the B1G is just going to sit idly by and let misinformation spread across the national media, then that is of course your prerogative.

So feel free to continue with your own biased narrative contrary to everything that's being reported. We're done here.

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

So we can move on from UM now?

 

[msudaisy26]

So we can move on from UM now?

Absolutely not. First off it isn't over and for another thing it is hilarious.

 

[farfromforgotten]

So we can move on from UM now?

You may take a brief intermission.

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

Carry on with the "it's not cheating" "it's cheating" then. Was just hopeful...

 

[Capella]

So we can move on from UM now?

Yes, let’s talk about when Billy gets his buyout money.

 

[Osaurus]

So we can move on from UM now?

Yes, let’s talk about when Billy gets his buyout money.

Hoping he wears a Darth Vader mask at his next presser

 

[The Commish]

Don't know if anyone listens to the Rich Eisen show but I'll post this just to add to the "fuel". It's almost like my cousin's brother's wife's nephew sort of stuff. He had RG3 on and Rich asked about Paul Finebaum and his change of direction on Harbaugh (he's apparently saying throw the book at him now). RG3 basically alluded to them (ESPN) having some sort of confirming info that they're keeping under wraps. Couple that with Michigan/Harbaugh accepting the penalty. Makes you wonder.

We can just go with "follow the money" when it comes to the networks and their talking heads. The ESPN talking heads got their marching orders just like the FOX guys did.

Welcome to the party that Bama fans have been hosting for 16 years.

It's just a little different being the host of the party vs the guy no one at the party wants, but thanks?

ETA: What was it like to realize that the team you pulled for from the school you got an education from lived rent-free in so many heads? That's the one takeaway from this that I just can't get over. Perhaps that's because I didn't grow up or live in the immediate area, but man.

 

[The Commish]

What do we call it when the conference evaluates "evidence" presented them?

Can we get passed the semantics of what it's called and just answer this simple question Peak?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Don't know if anyone listens to the Rich Eisen show but I'll post this just to add to the "fuel". It's almost like my cousin's brother's wife's nephew sort of stuff. He had RG3 on and Rich asked about Paul Finebaum and his change of direction on Harbaugh (he's apparently saying throw the book at him now). RG3 basically alluded to them (ESPN) having some sort of confirming info that they're keeping under wraps. Couple that with Michigan/Harbaugh accepting the penalty. Makes you wonder.

We can just go with "follow the money" when it comes to the networks and their talking heads. The ESPN talking heads got their marching orders just like the FOX guys did.

Welcome to the party that Bama fans have been hosting for 16 years.

It's just a little different being the host of the party vs the guy no one at the party wants, but thanks?

ETA: What was it like to realize that the team you pulled for from the school you got an education from lived rent-free in so many heads? That's the one takeaway from this that I just can't get over. Perhaps that's because I didn't grow up or live in the immediate area, but man.

You seem to be having a difficult time that the school that educated you is a cheater in football.

 

[The Commish]

You seem to be having a difficult time that the school that educated you is a cheater in football.

I cant comprehend a world of interpretation where a person literally says cheating happened and an onlooker says this. Thats quite a feat....well done.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Brutal targeting from Pitt - BC last night

I feel like a referral to the local DA for violent assault might be appropriate here.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

You seem to be having a difficult time that the school that educated you is a cheater in football.

I cant comprehend a world of interpretation where a person literally says cheating happened and an onlooker says this. Thats quite a feat....well done.

I see

 

[Tau837]

but they're not bowl eligible.

Yet.

They are not bowl eligible, yet.

(They will go to a bowl this year.)

Yeah, probably not going to be enough 6 win teams to fill all the spots.

By tonight, they may be the leader in the Clubhouse for a NY6 bowl. NCAA is supposed to rule on their latest appeal tonight. If it's denied again the AG in Virginia is expected to file lawsuit against the NCAA.

Denied. Would think the AG would have better things to do than fight a rule within the NCAA, one that every other team has had to follow when moving up.

Yeah, they're not gonna win if they go to court. They agreed to terms when they moved up.

It sucks, though. This may be the best team in school history. JMU's just down the road from me and I enjoy watching them play. As noted, they'll probably get invited to a bowl because there won't be enough 6-win teams.

JMU's not a small school, either. I believe they have over 20k undergrads, bigger than many of the ACC schools.

Bigger than 4 ACC universities, all private - Wake Forest, Boston College, Duke, Miami.

 

[Da Guru]

Brutal targeting from Pitt - BC last night

I feel like a referral to the local DA for violent assault might be appropriate here.

Two targeting calls. One for the WR and one for targeting his own head and neck area. One of the stupidest plays I have ever seen.

 

[Peak]

What do we call it when the conference evaluates "evidence" presented them?

Can we get passed the semantics of what it's called and just answer this simple question Peak?

Not sure what you're looking for here? The conference didn't investigate anything. Per the B1G, they received information and was provided evidence from the NCAA to which the NCAA President was involved to let the conference know something illegal was occurring with one of it's founding members. That was in the B1G statement to UoM, and quite literally the public.

The Conference did no more evaluating, but rather listened to everything the NCAA has investigated, gathered and presented. The Conference listened and acted upon the information provided.

But if you have a different narrative, then have at it. I've tried to show you things before and you have no interest in either reading it or acknowledging it because it doesn't meet your specific criteria of knowledge.

 

[The Commish]

What do we call it when the conference evaluates "evidence" presented them?

Can we get passed the semantics of what it's called and just answer this simple question Peak?

Not sure what you're looking for here? The conference didn't investigate anything. Per the B1G, they received information and was provided evidence from the NCAA to which the NCAA President was involved to let the conference know something illegal was occurring with one of it's founding members. That was in the B1G statement to UoM, and quite literally the public.

The Conference did no more evaluating, but rather listened to everything the NCAA has investigated, gathered and presented. The Conference listened and acted upon the information provided.

But if you have a different narrative, then have at it. I've tried to show you things before and you have no interest in either reading it or acknowledging it because it doesn't meet your specific criteria of knowledge.

Yeah...speculation isn't my bag regardless of who's involved so I don't generally entertain it all that much. Just a different standard I guess. Like above, I don't feel the question is all that nuanced. It's rather straight forward. There's a great many people who'd consider the evaluation of evidence presented them as "investigating" and seems well within the standard definition. You are pushing back strongly on that, so I'm asking what you'd like it called instead so we can get passed the semantics of it and focus on the point made to you several times that the conference and Michigan have agreed on a path forward and the paths likely won't cross again unless the NCAA digs something else up.

"carry out research or study into (a subject, typically one in a scientific or academic field) so as to discover facts or information."

 

[Peak]

Yeah...speculation isn't my bag regardless of who's involved so I don't generally entertain it all that much. Just a different standard I guess. Like above, I don't feel the question is all that nuanced. It's rather straight forward. There's a great many people who'd consider the evaluation of evidence presented them as "investigating" and seems well within the standard definition. You are pushing back strongly on that, so I'm asking what you'd like it called instead so we can get passed the semantics of it and focus on the point made to you several times that the conference and Michigan have agreed on a path forward and the paths likely won't cross again unless the NCAA digs something else up.

"carry out research or study into (a subject, typically one in a scientific or academic field) so as to discover facts or information."

I get that is the definition, and I assumed that's what you were looking for....but not interested in that battle of semantics either. As you have it defined, the conference didn't perform any investigation - they didn't scooby-doo around in a mini-van up in Ann Arbor looking for Harbaugh under the mask only to discover that it was Stalions in the library with his laminated sheets.

The conference didn't have to discover any facts or information based on research or study simply because the NCAA had already been doing that and handed the conference the information/facts that the NCAA had uncovered. Both the conference and the NCAA deemed it to be enough to send down punishment on the university.

If you want to call that speculation, go for it. You want to wait for the NCAA to spoon-feed you their entire evidence portfolio, that's fine. But in the meantime, there have been and will continue to be leaks of information. Some good, some bad - but most have been validated/vindicated by the actions of either the conference, the alleged thief (Stalions), or the university based on their actions, written/recorded communications, and other means that have been reported.

In related news that is a fact, the university has fired their LB Coach Chris Partridge per Warde Manuel . Based on information that was leaked as part of the evidence gathered by the NCAA investigation, this was one of the names that Stalions bragged about working closely with in his operations while bragging to a "friend" he was recruiting to help. The other name associated with CP was Jay Harbaugh. But I guess that's all speculation. Yet if it's speculation, the university must have an itchy trigger finger - or maybe, some of this speculated evidence is true and they are starting to clean house. Guess it's all up for interpretation. YMMV.

 

[Stoneworker]

A source told ESPN that there was no evidence tying Partridge to the sign-stealing scheme and his termination stemmed from a lack of cooperation with the NCAA investigation.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

but they're not bowl eligible.

Yet.

They are not bowl eligible, yet.

(They will go to a bowl this year.)

Yeah, probably not going to be enough 6 win teams to fill all the spots.

By tonight, they may be the leader in the Clubhouse for a NY6 bowl. NCAA is supposed to rule on their latest appeal tonight. If it's denied again the AG in Virginia is expected to file lawsuit against the NCAA.

Denied. Would think the AG would have better things to do than fight a rule within the NCAA, one that every other team has had to follow when moving up.

Yeah, they're not gonna win if they go to court. They agreed to terms when they moved up.

It sucks, though. This may be the best team in school history. JMU's just down the road from me and I enjoy watching them play. As noted, they'll probably get invited to a bowl because there won't be enough 6-win teams.

JMU's not a small school, either. I believe they have over 20k undergrads, bigger than many of the ACC schools.

Bigger than 4 ACC universities, all private - Wake Forest, Boston College, Duke, Miami.

Watching the Pat McAfee show now. These jokers have more fans at that show than some schools have at actual college gameday.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

So no due process for Partridge then? Interesting...

 

[The Commish]

.but not interested in that battle of semantics either.

then why were you arguing with Stoneworker over just that?

 

[The Commish]

So no due process for Partridge then? Interesting...

What advanced notices were they supposed to provide him?

 

[Peak]

A source told ESPN that there was no evidence tying Partridge to the sign-stealing scheme and his termination stemmed from a lack of cooperation with the NCAA investigation.

Tweet by Wetzel/Dellenger of YahooSports:
The NCAA presented Michigan with evidence that: A booster named “Uncle T” allegedly funded part of Connor Stalions scouting operation. An assistant coach attempted to destroy evidence after the scandal broke.

As reported by Heather Dinich...A statement issued by the University states:
"Consistent with our committment to integrity, we will continue to take the appropriate actions, including disciplinary measures, based on information we obtain. Earlier today, Michigan Athletics relieved Chris Partridge of his duties as a member of the Michigan Football staff."

But surely this is coincidence because there is "no evidence".

 

[farfromforgotten]

Edit: already posted by Peak above

 

[Peak]

.but not interested in that battle of semantics either.

then why were you arguing with Stoneworker over just that?

Stone and I are discussing the impact of false reporting in mass media outlets that will provide slight truths in favor of their reading population.

You and I have been going back and forth on the definition of "investigation" apparently and how it should be labelled with research and not what another party provides as truth based on their own research.

Two different things, in my opinion. But as always, YMMV.

 

[Peak]

The NCAA presented Michigan with evidence that: A booster named “Uncle T” allegedly funded part of Connor Stalions scouting operation. An assistant coach attempted to destroy evidence after the scandal broke.

@RossDellenger

I would have preferred it to be Mr. T just for entertainment purposes, but it's close enough.

 

[msudaisy26]

The NCAA presented Michigan with evidence that: A booster named “Uncle T” allegedly funded part of Connor Stalions scouting operation. An assistant coach attempted to destroy evidence after the scandal broke.

@RossDellenger

I would have preferred it to be Mr. T just for entertainment purposes, but it's close enough.

Or Tom Brady.

 

[gump]

The NCAA presented Michigan with evidence that: A booster named “Uncle T” allegedly funded part of Connor Stalions scouting operation. An assistant coach attempted to destroy evidence after the scandal broke.

@RossDellenger

I would have preferred it to be Mr. T just for entertainment purposes, but it's close enough.

Or Tom Brady.

https://x.com/danwetzel/status/1725575675669586312?s=46&t=vQG5LrFwGikYrruOJaeCMg

I can report, along with @RossDellenger, that Michigan booster “Uncle T” is not Tom Brady.

 

[massraider]

Or Tom Brady.

Oh man, please let this be true

EDIT: dangit

 

[msudaisy26]

The NCAA presented Michigan with evidence that: A booster named “Uncle T” allegedly funded part of Connor Stalions scouting operation. An assistant coach attempted to destroy evidence after the scandal broke.

@RossDellenger

I would have preferred it to be Mr. T just for entertainment purposes, but it's close enough.

Or Tom Brady.

https://x.com/danwetzel/status/1725575675669586312?s=46&t=vQG5LrFwGikYrruOJaeCMg

I can report, along with @RossDellenger, that Michigan booster “Uncle T” is not Tom Brady.

Dammit.

 

[Da Guru]

The NCAA presented Michigan with evidence that: A booster named “Uncle T” allegedly funded part of Connor Stalions scouting operation. An assistant coach attempted to destroy evidence after the scandal broke.

@RossDellenger

I would have preferred it to be Mr. T just for entertainment purposes, but it's close enough.

Or Tom Brady.

https://x.com/danwetzel/status/1725575675669586312?s=46&t=vQG5LrFwGikYrruOJaeCMg

I can report, along with @RossDellenger, that Michigan booster “Uncle T” is not Tom Brady.

Dammit.

Why? Brady is a good guy.

 

[msudaisy26]

The NCAA presented Michigan with evidence that: A booster named “Uncle T” allegedly funded part of Connor Stalions scouting operation. An assistant coach attempted to destroy evidence after the scandal broke.

@RossDellenger

I would have preferred it to be Mr. T just for entertainment purposes, but it's close enough.

Or Tom Brady.

https://x.com/danwetzel/status/1725575675669586312?s=46&t=vQG5LrFwGikYrruOJaeCMg

I can report, along with @RossDellenger, that Michigan booster “Uncle T” is not Tom Brady.

Dammit.

Why? Brady is a good guy.

One it would be hilarious and secondly who doesn't love a guy that take PPP loans out during a pandemic when he doesn't need them and buys a yacht.

 

[The Commish]

.but not interested in that battle of semantics either.

then why were you arguing with Stoneworker over just that?

Stone and I are discussing the impact of false reporting in mass media outlets that will provide slight truths in favor of their reading population.

You and I have been going back and forth on the definition of "investigation" apparently and how it should be labelled with research and not what another party provides as truth based on their own research.

Two different things, in my opinion. But as always, YMMV.

Yeah....there's no "back and forth". I just asked what you'd like us to call it since "investigation" is clearly a problem for you and is front and center in your replies to Stoneworker.

 

[The Commish]

Why? Brady is a good guy.

It would have been fantastic if it were him. Want to talk about breaking the internet? That'd do it.

 

[Da Guru]

Why? Brady is a good guy.

It would have been fantastic if it were him. Want to talk about breaking the internet? That'd do it.

Yes it would. Anything Michigan good or bad gets the clicks. Americas Team!