2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (3 Viewers)

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Dan Wolken-USA Today: Michigan football program revealed as either dirty or exceptionally sloppy

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.

I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.

State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.

Went to both MSU and tOSU for grad schools. Wife and I did a 3-year stint in C-Bus, she got her Masters as well. So I do have ties there. I actually keep up with more classmates from tOSU than I do State.
I live near EL and my daughter is going to nursing school there, so I tend to lean more towards MSU. Still root for the Bucks as well, but I guess proximity wins out for more of my fandom.

MSU needs to clean house, so, there's really nothing to watch until wholesale changes come about, if they ever do. I have serious doubts. I'll never bail on them, I've been through the John L, Muddy Waters, Bobby Williams fiascos, and enjoyed the Dantonio years, no doubt, but what's the use in spending a Saturday afternoon watching what MSU is putting on the field right now? I feel really bad for the kids, Tugger left this program in shambles. Here's a big F U to him.

I've really enjoyed watching Marvin Harrison Jr. this year. Just a class individual.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

LOL

 

[Da Guru]

Dan Wolken-USA Today: Michigan football program revealed as either dirty or exceptionally sloppy

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.

I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.

State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.

It is hilarious to me that you think this is a good thing. That anyone should support a football program and give them money and time if they put crap on the field.

I have to agree with you, even Michigan had better teams in their bad years. RichRod was 7-6 the year he got canned.

It is just all the MSU people I know are obsessed with Michigan all the time. Listen to The Ticket in Detroit. The MSU hosts only talk about Michigan, and that was before all of this.

MSU could go 1-11 but if that one win was against Michigan it makes the season.

 

[Da Guru]

Dan Wolken-USA Today: Michigan football program revealed as either dirty or exceptionally sloppy

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.

I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.

State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.

Went to both MSU and tOSU for grad schools. Wife and I did a 3-year stint in C-Bus, she got her Masters as well. So I do have ties there. I actually keep up with more classmates from tOSU than I do State.
I live near EL and my daughter is going to nursing school there, so I tend to lean more towards MSU. Still root for the Bucks as well, but I guess proximity wins out for more of my fandom.

MSU needs to clean house, so, there's really nothing to watch until wholesale changes come about, if they ever do. I have serious doubts. I'll never bail on them, I've been through the John L, Muddy Waters, Bobby Williams fiascos, and enjoyed the Dantonio years, no doubt, but what's the use in spending a Saturday afternoon watching what MSU is putting on the field right now? I feel really bad for the kids, Tugger left this program in shambles. Here's a big F U to him.

I've really enjoyed watching Marvin Harrison Jr. this year. Just a class individual.

They should have made Tucker coach the team he assembled as punishment. The guy destroyed the program.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Dan Wolken-USA Today: Michigan football program revealed as either dirty or exceptionally sloppy

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.

I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.

State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.

It is hilarious to me that you think this is a good thing. That anyone should support a football program and give them money and time if they put crap on the field.

I have to agree with you, even Michigan had better teams in their bad years. RichRod was 7-6 the year he got canned.

It is just all the MSU people I know are obsessed with Michigan all the time. Listen to The Ticket in Detroit. The MSU host noly talk about Michigan, and that was before all of this.

MSU could go 1-11 but if that one win was against Michigan it makes the season.

Not this MSU alum. I do have to say though that this current ****storm with UM has been pretty good for ****s and giggles. Each day the new stuff that comes out is more unreal than the last thing. To me, it was inevitable with Jim Harbaugh.

And I expect MSU to put on a team that competes, year in and year out, with a better than .500 winning percentage. These coaches are making boatloads. coach these kids up for cripes sake.

Definitely a bonus and fun to beat UM, but that doesn't make or break a season for me personally.

 

[The Commish]

I think Michigan is really good. I don't think they are really good because of sign stealing. Which is why it's all so boggling. Why risk all of this to beat Rutgers when you don't need to?

Of course not. This group is in it for each other and it's been building for a couple years now. This dude had a manifesto for God's sake....there's no telling what was going on. I'll be mildly surprised if this is tied back to Harbaugh etc, but if it is, then the punishment will be what it will be and the NCAA will have FINALLY gotten him.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/17xrqg8/connor_stalions_tustin_ca_mortgage_paid_off_4/

 

[Da Guru]

Dan Wolken-USA Today: Michigan football program revealed as either dirty or exceptionally sloppy

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.

I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.

State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.

It is hilarious to me that you think this is a good thing. That anyone should support a football program and give them money and time if they put crap on the field.

I have to agree with you, even Michigan had better teams in their bad years. RichRod was 7-6 the year he got canned.

It is just all the MSU people I know are obsessed with Michigan all the time. Listen to The Ticket in Detroit. The MSU host noly talk about Michigan, and that was before all of this.

MSU could go 1-11 but if that one win was against Michigan it makes the season.

Not this MSU alum. I do have to say though that this current ****storm with UM has been pretty good for ****s and giggles. Each day the new stuff that comes out is more unreal than the last thing. To me, it was inevitable with Jim Harbaugh.

And I expect MSU to put on a team that competes, year in and year out, with a better than .500 winning percentage. These coaches are making boatloads. coach these kids up for cripes sake.

Definitely a bonus and fun to beat UM, but that doesn't make or break a season for me personally.

Ok Then you are different than the people I know.

And I did not mean 1-11 season nobody would be happy, but a 6-5 type season with a win over Michigan is a success.

 

[msudaisy26]

Dan Wolken-USA Today: Michigan football program revealed as either dirty or exceptionally sloppy

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.

I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.

State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.

It is hilarious to me that you think this is a good thing. That anyone should support a football program and give them money and time if they put crap on the field.

I have to agree with you, even Michigan had better teams in their bad years. RichRod was 7-6 the year he got canned.

It is just all the MSU people I know are obsessed with Michigan all the time. Listen to The Ticket in Detroit. The MSU host noly talk about Michigan, and that was before all of this.

MSU could go 1-11 but if that one win was against Michigan it makes the season.

Not this MSU alum. I do have to say though that this current ****storm with UM has been pretty good for ****s and giggles. Each day the new stuff that comes out is more unreal than the last thing. To me, it was inevitable with Jim Harbaugh.

And I expect MSU to put on a team that competes, year in and year out, with a better than .500 winning percentage. These coaches are making boatloads. coach these kids up for cripes sake.

Definitely a bonus and fun to beat UM, but that doesn't make or break a season for me personally.

Ok Then you are different than the people I know.

And I did not mean 1-11 season nobody would be happy, but a 6-5 type season with a win over Michigan is a success.

No it isn't, it is just what arrogant Michigan fans think.

 

[WDIK2]

A guy I worked with had a non-gay son who was a male cheerleader at FSU. The dad told me he was pulling down more tail than he could ever handle.

I imagine he was also twirling and tossing quite a few in the air.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Dan Wolken-USA Today: Michigan football program revealed as either dirty or exceptionally sloppy

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.

I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.

State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.

It is hilarious to me that you think this is a good thing. That anyone should support a football program and give them money and time if they put crap on the field.

I have to agree with you, even Michigan had better teams in their bad years. RichRod was 7-6 the year he got canned.

It is just all the MSU people I know are obsessed with Michigan all the time. Listen to The Ticket in Detroit. The MSU host noly talk about Michigan, and that was before all of this.

MSU could go 1-11 but if that one win was against Michigan it makes the season.

Not this MSU alum. I do have to say though that this current ****storm with UM has been pretty good for ****s and giggles. Each day the new stuff that comes out is more unreal than the last thing. To me, it was inevitable with Jim Harbaugh.

And I expect MSU to put on a team that competes, year in and year out, with a better than .500 winning percentage. These coaches are making boatloads. coach these kids up for cripes sake.

Definitely a bonus and fun to beat UM, but that doesn't make or break a season for me personally.

Ok Then you are different than the people I know.

And I did not mean 1-11 season nobody would be happy, but a 6-5 type season with a win over Michigan is a success.

Those sound like fans of the State of Michigan, with no dog in the fight. Extremely casual fans at best.

Yea I know some of those myself, but they’re not the MSU fans I associate with.

 

[Peak]

LOL

He's at least raised $55 towards his annual investigation's media costs

 

[Peak]

I think Michigan is really good. I don't think they are really good because of sign stealing. Which is why it's all so boggling. Why risk all of this to beat Rutgers when you don't need to?

Of course not. This group is in it for each other and it's been building for a couple years now. This dude had a manifesto for God's sake....there's no telling what was going on. I'll be mildly surprised if this is tied back to Harbaugh etc, but if it is, then the punishment will be what it will be and the NCAA will have FINALLY gotten him.

From a player's standpoint, I do feel for those guys. I noted that above, but I think it's the players that will get a raw deal on this whole fiasco. I'm a big fan of defenses, and UoM has a very stout one at that. The front 7 do a good job containing and making other teams work for positive yardage. From an offensive standpoint, Corum/Edwards/Wilson all have a place at the next level. They are fun to watch as a fan of CFB, and frustrating to watch if you're on the opposing sidelines.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Latest news from the MaizenBrew:

According to The Michigan Insider’s Sam Webb ($), Partridge, “Advised some of the players on what to say (to investigators) about their interaction with Stallions. One or more of the players told investigators (what Partridge instructed them to do). When Michigan found out, they reacted with immediate termination. So it wasn’t involvement in the scheme itself, but it was an attempt to quell suspicion.”

Yahoo Sports’ Dan Wetzel and Ross Dellenger also reported that, “Partridge is not alleged at this time of knowing about the advanced scouting by Stalions, but acted after the fact to cover up evidence.” The covering up of evidence, according to Wetzel and Dellenger, involved the, “Destruction of evidence on a computer after the scandal broke.”

So he had players lie about their interactions with Stallions. So now Stallions interacted with players and coaches, one of which has been fired due to trying to cover it up. Unreal.

So Patridge knew nothing about the cheating at all but somehow knew that there was evidence, knew where to find it, thought the best course of action was to destroy it, and also knew to talk to some of the players and tell them to lie and coverup?

That seems….improbable.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I hate UofM with the heat of a thousand suns, but I do feel sorry for those kids/players (a little).

I do feel for the seniors and it sucks for everyone this year, but with the Portal being a thing, anyone that wants to leave to avoid playing under any penalties should easily be able to do so. It’s not like the old days where players would be completely screwed.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

A guy I worked with had a non-gay son who was a male cheerleader at FSU. The dad told me he was pulling down more tail than he could ever handle.

I imagine he was also twirling and tossing quite a few in the air.

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/was-anyone-here-ever-a-male-cheerleader.453509/
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[jhib]

Latest news from the MaizenBrew:

According to The Michigan Insider’s Sam Webb ($), Partridge, “Advised some of the players on what to say (to investigators) about their interaction with Stallions. One or more of the players told investigators (what Partridge instructed them to do). When Michigan found out, they reacted with immediate termination. So it wasn’t involvement in the scheme itself, but it was an attempt to quell suspicion.”

Yahoo Sports’ Dan Wetzel and Ross Dellenger also reported that, “Partridge is not alleged at this time of knowing about the advanced scouting by Stalions, but acted after the fact to cover up evidence.” The covering up of evidence, according to Wetzel and Dellenger, involved the, “Destruction of evidence on a computer after the scandal broke.”

So he had players lie about their interactions with Stallions. So now Stallions interacted with players and coaches, one of which has been fired due to trying to cover it up. Unreal.

So Patridge knew nothing about the cheating at all but somehow knew that there was evidence, knew where to find it, thought the best course of action was to destroy it, and also knew to talk to some of the players and tell them to lie and coverup?

That seems….improbable.

And Stallions apparently interacted with players in a way that might be problematic, but only with players, not any coaches.

 

[Desert_Power]

Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.

Which is what was precisely said when they hired Jimbo. But sure, this next time will be different for them.

Sometimes you get the process right and the results still don’t come. Jimbo proved they can recruit at that elite level, but wasn’t a good enough coach to have the results.

Fisher was "good enough" when they paid him all that money and let his agent bend them over backwards on all the coach-friendly terms but we are now told by the SAME PEOPLE who hired him that he's not "good enough".

Is it at all possible that the people making decisions for A&M are the ones who aren't "good enough" and perhaps THAT is the real problem?

Aggie jokes exist for a reason, folks.

I think it was reasonable to bet on a coach that had won a national championship recently. Not all bets win, doesn’t mean they’re dumb.

Aggie jokes also exist because they are a weird/cultish fan base with creepy male cheerleaders.

YELL leaders.

None of their bets have won. That's my point. That's been my point. History is on my side. Ya'll think unlimited money and WANT TO is going to change things.

You know what it doesn't change? The fact that A&M is in the same conference with teams whose bets have won, continue to win and will be there winning if/when A&M ever "figures it out".

I can't stand A&M and think this whole buyout thing is hilarious. Just not sure what you think they should be doing instead.

 

[rockaction]

Strap in, it’s a long ride

Greatest FFA thread ever, in my opinion. By far. I wasn't there to comment at its inception or during its time, but it was a masterpiece of narrative and writing by the OP. RIP Saints-Man.

 

[General Malaise]

A guy I worked with had a non-gay son who was a male cheerleader at FSU. The dad told me he was pulling down more tail than he could ever handle.

I imagine he was also twirling and tossing quite a few in the air.

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/was-anyone-here-ever-a-male-cheerleader.453509/
The Wonderful and Tragic Tale of Saints-Man and Pocahontas

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A masterpiece. RIP Ralph.





Pours one out for Red Eyed and Blue.

 

[General Malaise]

Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.

Which is what was precisely said when they hired Jimbo. But sure, this next time will be different for them.

Sometimes you get the process right and the results still don’t come. Jimbo proved they can recruit at that elite level, but wasn’t a good enough coach to have the results.

Fisher was "good enough" when they paid him all that money and let his agent bend them over backwards on all the coach-friendly terms but we are now told by the SAME PEOPLE who hired him that he's not "good enough".

Is it at all possible that the people making decisions for A&M are the ones who aren't "good enough" and perhaps THAT is the real problem?

Aggie jokes exist for a reason, folks.

I think it was reasonable to bet on a coach that had won a national championship recently. Not all bets win, doesn’t mean they’re dumb.

Aggie jokes also exist because they are a weird/cultish fan base with creepy male cheerleaders.

YELL leaders.

None of their bets have won. That's my point. That's been my point. History is on my side. Ya'll think unlimited money and WANT TO is going to change things.

You know what it doesn't change? The fact that A&M is in the same conference with teams whose bets have won, continue to win and will be there winning if/when A&M ever "figures it out".

I can't stand A&M and think this whole buyout thing is hilarious. Just not sure what you think they should be doing instead.

They the boosters - spend better, spend smarter, don't listen to the past leaders, they have you where you are and have been.

They the fans - acceptance that a National Championship isn't the ONLY goal. Acceptance that a 10 win season is good! Get there first, THEN higher your expectations.

They the coaches - good ****ing luck.

They the YELL Leaders - let attractive female coeds take over, dorks. You're a laughing stock.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Strap in, it’s a long ride

Greatest FFA thread ever, in my opinion. By far. I wasn't there to comment at its inception or during its time, but it was a masterpiece of narrative and writing by the OP. RIP Saints-Man.

An FFA Mount Rushmore quote — “However, once I was handed the ball and saw the opening I ran to daylight. Not because I knew what I was doing, I just loved the sunshine on my face.”

 

[Tecumseh]

Uncle T

Aside from that, Tim Smith is (was?) a member of the Champions Circle a partner of Michigan Athletics and fully supported by Jim Harbaugh. That’s a pretty big affiliation. His namebio was just removed from the Champions Circle earlier today. Didn't take long for the internet sleuths to put these breadcrumbs together.



So we've gone from the lone wolf,
to a lone wolf and assistant coach,
to a lone wolf, assistant coach, and a booster....

It's only been a day since UoM withdrew their lawsuit against the B1G. Some suspect it is due to all of this information provided by the NCAA yesterday - and the NCAA investigation is still ongoing.

Im going to need you to define “investigation.”

 

[timschochet]

Local word is if UCLA loses to USC today, Chip Kelly is gone.

I’m still rooting for the Bruins big time but that wouldn’t be an undesirable outcome…

 

[massraider]

https://theathletic.com/5072266/202...oach-fired-booster?source=user-shared-article

Michigan suddenly had decided after the latest revelations that ya know what maybe that three game suspension wasn't "irreparable harm" after all, and withdrew their case.

 

[ChiefD]

Coach Bill Snyder coming in hot.

I guarantee you he already knows what their winning percentage is.

 

[Keerock]

Dan Wolken-USA Today: Michigan football program revealed as either dirty or exceptionally sloppy

I'm sure of the former (Jimmy is a tool) and it's looking likely the latter is also true

 

[Keerock]

Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.

Which is what was precisely said when they hired Jimbo. But sure, this next time will be different for them.

Sometimes you get the process right and the results still don’t come. Jimbo proved they can recruit at that elite level, but wasn’t a good enough coach to have the results.

Fisher was "good enough" when they paid him all that money and let his agent bend them over backwards on all the coach-friendly terms but we are now told by the SAME PEOPLE who hired him that he's not "good enough".

Is it at all possible that the people making decisions for A&M are the ones who aren't "good enough" and perhaps THAT is the real problem?

Aggie jokes exist for a reason, folks.

I think it was reasonable to bet on a coach that had won a national championship recently. Not all bets win, doesn’t mean they’re dumb.

Aggie jokes also exist because they are a weird/cultish fan base with creepy male cheerleaders.

A guy I worked with had a non-gay son who was a male cheerleader at FSU. The dad told me he was pulling down more tail than he could ever handle.

Good friend has a non-gay son that was a cheerleader at UM. He also pulled a lot of quality tail. Had to travel northwest an hour to find it though

 

[Tecumseh]

You nailed it.

I mean...it's the most "water is wet" guess of them all, but cool

I was called a conspiracy theorist (not by you) for suggesting Stallions had access to a "slush fund" to pay for tickets (airline and game).

Feel like Ol' GM here is owed an apology.

No...it was me...and the way it read it seemed like you were talking about the university and I qualified that in the line item you bolded above. #5 on my list could be considered the same. I made what I thought was a relatively safe assumption for that comment but understand I didn't ask you to specify what you meant prior to making my comment, so for that I apologize.

You didn't call me a conspiracy theorist, unless NYSL2 or whatever is your alias account, Uncle T.

All good, you're just defending your school and I would do the same. As a fan of football, I'd like this issue to just go away so we can focus on the remaining games. I think UM is as good as Georgia so hope we get that matchup.




And then hope Oregon beats the winner.

Look back through those quotes....it was me. I own it. But to be clear, I am not defending them. I'm not saying the cheating didn't happen and I'm not justifying the cheating. All I'm doing is letting the process play itself out to see where this goes. Said in my very first post on this topic that the cheaters need to be dealt with and I expect those who aren't cooperating to be handled accordingly. So far, so good.

What I HAVE pushed back on is this notion that it's primarily about cheating and sportsmanship. I don't believe that's it, but time will tell on that.

I think Michigan is really good. I don't think they are really good because of sign stealing.

Maybe what you think is wrong. For years Michigan is good enough to make their way through the BIG with 1 or 2 losses only to get trounced in The Game. Then all of a sudden they are the ones doing the trouncing. Coincidentally, the timing lines up with the Stalions timeline. They went from pretty good, to OMG, except they got trounced again in the playoff, which again, completely by coincidence, is the one game Stalions couldn’t corrupt. And yet they crushed Ohio State 2 years in a row, who happened to have the #2 qb in the draft and is dominating in the NFL as a rookie. But it’s all just a coincidence.

And you think they’re on Georgia’s level…

 

[Keerock]

You nailed it.

I mean...it's the most "water is wet" guess of them all, but cool

I was called a conspiracy theorist (not by you) for suggesting Stallions had access to a "slush fund" to pay for tickets (airline and game).

Feel like Ol' GM here is owed an apology.

No...it was me...and the way it read it seemed like you were talking about the university and I qualified that in the line item you bolded above. #5 on my list could be considered the same. I made what I thought was a relatively safe assumption for that comment but understand I didn't ask you to specify what you meant prior to making my comment, so for that I apologize.

You didn't call me a conspiracy theorist, unless NYSL2 or whatever is your alias account, Uncle T.

All good, you're just defending your school and I would do the same. As a fan of football, I'd like this issue to just go away so we can focus on the remaining games. I think UM is as good as Georgia so hope we get that matchup.




And then hope Oregon beats the winner.

Look back through those quotes....it was me. I own it. But to be clear, I am not defending them. I'm not saying the cheating didn't happen and I'm not justifying the cheating. All I'm doing is letting the process play itself out to see where this goes. Said in my very first post on this topic that the cheaters need to be dealt with and I expect those who aren't cooperating to be handled accordingly. So far, so good.

What I HAVE pushed back on is this notion that it's primarily about cheating and sportsmanship. I don't believe that's it, but time will tell on that.

I think Michigan is really good. I don't think they are really good because of sign stealing. Which is why it's all so boggling. Why risk all of this to beat Rutgers when you don't need to?

Agreed. But the sign stealing/cheating plays into the narrative of the head coach and the program 100%

 

[Keerock]

Dan Wolken-USA Today: Michigan football program revealed as either dirty or exceptionally sloppy

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.

I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.

State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.

It is hilarious to me that you think this is a good thing. That anyone should support a football program and give them money and time if they put crap on the field.

I have to agree with you, even Michigan had better teams in their bad years. RichRod was 7-6 the year he got canned.

It is just all the MSU people I know are obsessed with Michigan all the time. Listen to The Ticket in Detroit. The MSU host noly talk about Michigan, and that was before all of this.

MSU could go 1-11 but if that one win was against Michigan it makes the season.

Not this MSU alum. I do have to say though that this current ****storm with UM has been pretty good for ****s and giggles. Each day the new stuff that comes out is more unreal than the last thing. To me, it was inevitable with Jim Harbaugh.

And I expect MSU to put on a team that competes, year in and year out, with a better than .500 winning percentage. These coaches are making boatloads. coach these kids up for cripes sake.

Definitely a bonus and fun to beat UM, but that doesn't make or break a season for me personally.

Ok Then you are different than the people I know.

And I did not mean 1-11 season nobody would be happy, but a 6-5 type season with a win over Michigan is a success.

And tell me that UM fans, with a 6-5 type season with a win over Ohio State wouldn't consider it a success.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Dan Wolken-USA Today: Michigan football program revealed as either dirty or exceptionally sloppy

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.

I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.

State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.

It is hilarious to me that you think this is a good thing. That anyone should support a football program and give them money and time if they put crap on the field.

I have to agree with you, even Michigan had better teams in their bad years. RichRod was 7-6 the year he got canned.

It is just all the MSU people I know are obsessed with Michigan all the time. Listen to The Ticket in Detroit. The MSU host noly talk about Michigan, and that was before all of this.

MSU could go 1-11 but if that one win was against Michigan it makes the season.

Not this MSU alum. I do have to say though that this current ****storm with UM has been pretty good for ****s and giggles. Each day the new stuff that comes out is more unreal than the last thing. To me, it was inevitable with Jim Harbaugh.

And I expect MSU to put on a team that competes, year in and year out, with a better than .500 winning percentage. These coaches are making boatloads. coach these kids up for cripes sake.

Definitely a bonus and fun to beat UM, but that doesn't make or break a season for me personally.

Ok Then you are different than the people I know.

And I did not mean 1-11 season nobody would be happy, but a 6-5 type season with a win over Michigan is a success.

And tell me that UM fans, with a 6-5 type season with a win over Ohio State wouldn't consider it a success.

 

[General Malaise]

You nailed it.

I mean...it's the most "water is wet" guess of them all, but cool

I was called a conspiracy theorist (not by you) for suggesting Stallions had access to a "slush fund" to pay for tickets (airline and game).

Feel like Ol' GM here is owed an apology.

No...it was me...and the way it read it seemed like you were talking about the university and I qualified that in the line item you bolded above. #5 on my list could be considered the same. I made what I thought was a relatively safe assumption for that comment but understand I didn't ask you to specify what you meant prior to making my comment, so for that I apologize.

You didn't call me a conspiracy theorist, unless NYSL2 or whatever is your alias account, Uncle T.

All good, you're just defending your school and I would do the same. As a fan of football, I'd like this issue to just go away so we can focus on the remaining games. I think UM is as good as Georgia so hope we get that matchup.




And then hope Oregon beats the winner.

Look back through those quotes....it was me. I own it. But to be clear, I am not defending them. I'm not saying the cheating didn't happen and I'm not justifying the cheating. All I'm doing is letting the process play itself out to see where this goes. Said in my very first post on this topic that the cheaters need to be dealt with and I expect those who aren't cooperating to be handled accordingly. So far, so good.

What I HAVE pushed back on is this notion that it's primarily about cheating and sportsmanship. I don't believe that's it, but time will tell on that.

I think Michigan is really good. I don't think they are really good because of sign stealing.

Maybe what you think is wrong. For years Michigan is good enough to make their way through the BIG with 1 or 2 losses only to get trounced in The Game. Then all of a sudden they are the ones doing the trouncing. Coincidentally, the timing lines up with the Stalions timeline. They went from pretty good, to OMG, except they got trounced again in the playoff, which again, completely by coincidence, is the one game Stalions couldn’t corrupt. And yet they crushed Ohio State 2 years in a row, who happened to have the #2 qb in the draft and is dominating in the NFL as a rookie. But it’s all just a coincidence.

And you think they’re on Georgia’s level…

Oregon beat CJ Stroud with Anthony Brown as their QB. In Columbus.

I think THIS Michigan team will be able to give THIS Georgia team a game THIS season if they meet in the playoffs. Hope that clarifies what I think about Michigan.

 

[Da Guru]

Dan Wolken-USA Today: Michigan football program revealed as either dirty or exceptionally sloppy

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.

I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.

State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.

It is hilarious to me that you think this is a good thing. That anyone should support a football program and give them money and time if they put crap on the field.

I have to agree with you, even Michigan had better teams in their bad years. RichRod was 7-6 the year he got canned.

It is just all the MSU people I know are obsessed with Michigan all the time. Listen to The Ticket in Detroit. The MSU host noly talk about Michigan, and that was before all of this.

MSU could go 1-11 but if that one win was against Michigan it makes the season.

Not this MSU alum. I do have to say though that this current ****storm with UM has been pretty good for ****s and giggles. Each day the new stuff that comes out is more unreal than the last thing. To me, it was inevitable with Jim Harbaugh.

And I expect MSU to put on a team that competes, year in and year out, with a better than .500 winning percentage. These coaches are making boatloads. coach these kids up for cripes sake.

Definitely a bonus and fun to beat UM, but that doesn't make or break a season for me personally.

Ok Then you are different than the people I know.

And I did not mean 1-11 season nobody would be happy, but a 6-5 type season with a win over Michigan is a success.

No it isn't, it is just what arrogant Michigan fans think.

No, I am married to a Sparty, all her her family and friends are Sparts, I listen everday to

Dan Wolken-USA Today: Michigan football program revealed as either dirty or exceptionally sloppy

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.

I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.

State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.

It is hilarious to me that you think this is a good thing. That anyone should support a football program and give them money and time if they put crap on the field.

I have to agree with you, even Michigan had better teams in their bad years. RichRod was 7-6 the year he got canned.

It is just all the MSU people I know are obsessed with Michigan all the time. Listen to The Ticket in Detroit. The MSU host noly talk about Michigan, and that was before all of this.

MSU could go 1-11 but if that one win was against Michigan it makes the season.

Not this MSU alum. I do have to say though that this current ****storm with UM has been pretty good for ****s and giggles. Each day the new stuff that comes out is more unreal than the last thing. To me, it was inevitable with Jim Harbaugh.

And I expect MSU to put on a team that competes, year in and year out, with a better than .500 winning percentage. These coaches are making boatloads. coach these kids up for cripes sake.

Definitely a bonus and fun to beat UM, but that doesn't make or break a season for me personally.

Ok Then you are different than the people I know.

And I did not mean 1-11 season nobody would be happy, but a 6-5 type season with a win over Michigan is a success.

And tell me that UM fans, with a 6-5 type season with a win over Ohio State wouldn't consider it a success.

It would be successful.

But A 6-5 season with a win over Michigan State and a loss to OSU would be a fail.

Ok Bronco, I deleted my owned too!

 

[Tecumseh]

You nailed it.

I mean...it's the most "water is wet" guess of them all, but cool

I was called a conspiracy theorist (not by you) for suggesting Stallions had access to a "slush fund" to pay for tickets (airline and game).

Feel like Ol' GM here is owed an apology.

No...it was me...and the way it read it seemed like you were talking about the university and I qualified that in the line item you bolded above. #5 on my list could be considered the same. I made what I thought was a relatively safe assumption for that comment but understand I didn't ask you to specify what you meant prior to making my comment, so for that I apologize.

You didn't call me a conspiracy theorist, unless NYSL2 or whatever is your alias account, Uncle T.

All good, you're just defending your school and I would do the same. As a fan of football, I'd like this issue to just go away so we can focus on the remaining games. I think UM is as good as Georgia so hope we get that matchup.




And then hope Oregon beats the winner.

Look back through those quotes....it was me. I own it. But to be clear, I am not defending them. I'm not saying the cheating didn't happen and I'm not justifying the cheating. All I'm doing is letting the process play itself out to see where this goes. Said in my very first post on this topic that the cheaters need to be dealt with and I expect those who aren't cooperating to be handled accordingly. So far, so good.

What I HAVE pushed back on is this notion that it's primarily about cheating and sportsmanship. I don't believe that's it, but time will tell on that.

I think Michigan is really good. I don't think they are really good because of sign stealing.

Maybe what you think is wrong. For years Michigan is good enough to make their way through the BIG with 1 or 2 losses only to get trounced in The Game. Then all of a sudden they are the ones doing the trouncing. Coincidentally, the timing lines up with the Stalions timeline. They went from pretty good, to OMG, except they got trounced again in the playoff, which again, completely by coincidence, is the one game Stalions couldn’t corrupt. And yet they crushed Ohio State 2 years in a row, who happened to have the #2 qb in the draft and is dominating in the NFL as a rookie. But it’s all just a coincidence.

And you think they’re on Georgia’s level…

Oregon beat CJ Stroud with Anthony Brown as their QB. In Columbus.

I think THIS Michigan team will be able to give THIS Georgia team a game THIS season of they meet in the playoffs. Hope that clarifies what I think about Michigan.

In CJ’s second start. The horror.

 

[ChiefD]

I think Maryland is gonna win this thing.

 

[Da Guru]

I think Maryland is gonna win this thing.

They could, trap game before OSU and they are capable for sure. That is why they play the game.

 

[General Malaise]

You nailed it.

I mean...it's the most "water is wet" guess of them all, but cool

I was called a conspiracy theorist (not by you) for suggesting Stallions had access to a "slush fund" to pay for tickets (airline and game).

Feel like Ol' GM here is owed an apology.

No...it was me...and the way it read it seemed like you were talking about the university and I qualified that in the line item you bolded above. #5 on my list could be considered the same. I made what I thought was a relatively safe assumption for that comment but understand I didn't ask you to specify what you meant prior to making my comment, so for that I apologize.

You didn't call me a conspiracy theorist, unless NYSL2 or whatever is your alias account, Uncle T.

All good, you're just defending your school and I would do the same. As a fan of football, I'd like this issue to just go away so we can focus on the remaining games. I think UM is as good as Georgia so hope we get that matchup.




And then hope Oregon beats the winner.

Look back through those quotes....it was me. I own it. But to be clear, I am not defending them. I'm not saying the cheating didn't happen and I'm not justifying the cheating. All I'm doing is letting the process play itself out to see where this goes. Said in my very first post on this topic that the cheaters need to be dealt with and I expect those who aren't cooperating to be handled accordingly. So far, so good.

What I HAVE pushed back on is this notion that it's primarily about cheating and sportsmanship. I don't believe that's it, but time will tell on that.

I think Michigan is really good. I don't think they are really good because of sign stealing.

Maybe what you think is wrong. For years Michigan is good enough to make their way through the BIG with 1 or 2 losses only to get trounced in The Game. Then all of a sudden they are the ones doing the trouncing. Coincidentally, the timing lines up with the Stalions timeline. They went from pretty good, to OMG, except they got trounced again in the playoff, which again, completely by coincidence, is the one game Stalions couldn’t corrupt. And yet they crushed Ohio State 2 years in a row, who happened to have the #2 qb in the draft and is dominating in the NFL as a rookie. But it’s all just a coincidence.

And you think they’re on Georgia’s level…

Oregon beat CJ Stroud with Anthony Brown as their QB. In Columbus.

I think THIS Michigan team will be able to give THIS Georgia team a game THIS season of they meet in the playoffs. Hope that clarifies what I think about Michigan.

In CJ’s second start. The horror.

But Michigan beating CJ Stroud in his 12th start was only on account of Michigan's cheating. Got it.

 

[Summer Wheat]

Windy out in DC today. Blake Corum is fun to watch. The guy is a stud college RB. So little and strong the defenders can`t see him half the time.

Not sure how his style will play in the NFL though.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

5 point save on the kick through the end zone

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Blake Corum is fun to watch. The guy is a stud college RB. So little and strong the defenders can`t see him half the time.

Reminds me of Ray Rice, the way he runs.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I think Maryland is gonna win this thing.

I'm a Maryland fan and switched over to ECU/Navy

 

[Tom Servo]

Halftime in Selinsgrove, PA in the D3 playoffs:
Susquehanna 14 - Grove City 7. A GCC FG attempt in the last two minutes of the half was blocked and turned into a scoop and score for the difference in the game. The River Hawks will get the second half kickoff.

 

[ChiefD]

I think Maryland is gonna win this thing.

I'm a Maryland fan and switched over to ECU/Navy

Yeah I may have been wrong.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I think Maryland is gonna win this thing.

I'm a Maryland fan and switched over to ECU/Navy

Yeah I may have been wrong.

I knew MD's defense was going to suck coming into this season, but their offense has been a hot mess and I thought they'd at least be able to score some points. Their STs are horrid, too.

Locksley seems to nail 3 or 4 good skill position guys a year, but the rest of the team is ungood.

JMU/ASU up at 2 p.m. ET!

 

[SFBayDuck]

Oregon beat CJ Stroud with Anthony Brown as their QB. In Columbus.

Thanks for the reminder of one of my favorite in-person Duck fan experiences! Still can’t believe that happened with that QB (and KT out).

 

[The Commish]

@General Malaise has awoken the mob. Stand down GB!!!!!

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Windy out in DC today. Blake Corum is fun to watch. The guy is a stud college RB. So little and strong the defenders can`t see him half the time.

Not sure how his style will play in the NFL though.

He's listed at 5' 8"" and 213. Something tells me he's not quite 213.

 

[General Malaise]

@General Malaise has awoken the mob. Stand down GB!!!!!

Generals never stand down!

Besides they don't play no school at Ohio State.

 

[belljr]

Garbage roughing the passer call