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Yeah....there's no "back and forth". I just asked what you'd like us to call it since "investigation" is clearly a problem for you and is front and center in your replies to Stoneworker.
Shouldn't be my place to tell you what to call anything. I'm sure you're a big boy that can speak for himself, just like Stone. If you two want to harp on having people tell you what to call things, I'd suggest taking it to a different thread. I've provided articles, links, and news as I find it. You don't like it, I can't help you with that.
 
A source told ESPN that there was no evidence tying Partridge to the sign-stealing scheme and his termination stemmed from a lack of cooperation with the NCAA investigation.
Tweet by Wetzel/Dellenger of YahooSports:
The NCAA presented Michigan with evidence that: A booster named “Uncle T” allegedly funded part of Connor Stalions scouting operation. An assistant coach attempted to destroy evidence after the scandal broke.

As reported by Heather Dinich...A statement issued by the University states:
"Consistent with our committment to integrity, we will continue to take the appropriate actions, including disciplinary measures, based on information we obtain. Earlier today, Michigan Athletics relieved Chris Partridge of his duties as a member of the Michigan Football staff."

But surely this is coincidence because there is "no evidence".
:lmao:
 
Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.
 
Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.

Which is what was precisely said when they hired Jimbo. But sure, this next time will be different for them.
 
The NCAA presented Michigan with evidence that: A booster named “Uncle T” allegedly funded part of Connor Stalions scouting operation. An assistant coach attempted to destroy evidence after the scandal broke.

@RossDellenger
I would have preferred it to be Mr. T just for entertainment purposes, but it's close enough. :lmao:

Or Tom Brady.

I can report, along with @RossDellenger, that Michigan booster “Uncle T” is not Tom Brady.

Dammit.
:confused: Why? Brady is a good guy.

One it would be hilarious and secondly who doesn't love a guy that take PPP loans out during a pandemic when he doesn't need them and buys a yacht.
Cheating aside, somehow I missed the Tom Brady PPP story. That's really sorry of him.
 
Aside from that, Tim Smith is (was?) a member of the Champions Circle a partner of Michigan Athletics and fully supported by Jim Harbaugh. That’s a pretty big affiliation. His namebio was just removed from the Champions Circle earlier today. Didn't take long for the internet sleuths to put these breadcrumbs together.

:lmao:

So we've gone from the lone wolf,
to a lone wolf and assistant coach,
to a lone wolf, assistant coach, and a booster....

It's only been a day since UoM withdrew their lawsuit against the B1G. Some suspect it is due to all of this information provided by the NCAA yesterday - and the NCAA investigation is still ongoing.
 
Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.

Which is what was precisely said when they hired Jimbo. But sure, this next time will be different for them.

The great part for me is I can't be wrong! ;)
 
Aside from that, Tim Smith is (was?) a member of the Champions Circle a partner of Michigan Athletics and fully supported by Jim Harbaugh. That’s a pretty big affiliation. His namebio was just removed from the Champions Circle earlier today. Didn't take long for the internet sleuths to put these breadcrumbs together.

:lmao:

So we've gone from the lone wolf,
to a lone wolf and assistant coach,
to a lone wolf, assistant coach, and a booster....

It's only been a day since UoM withdrew their lawsuit against the B1G. Some suspect it is due to all of this information provided by the NCAA yesterday - and the NCAA investigation is still ongoing.
:lmao: unreal.
 
I hate UofM with the heat of a thousand suns, but I do feel sorry for those kids/players (a little).
I agree with you for the most part....I have to think some of those players didn't really know what was going on. They were given info by the coaches and told to study it and prepare for the games. I'm sure they didn't question where it came from or what it was they were using.
 
Aside from that, Tim Smith is (was?) a member of the Champions Circle a partner of Michigan Athletics and fully supported by Jim Harbaugh. That’s a pretty big affiliation. His namebio was just removed from the Champions Circle earlier today. Didn't take long for the internet sleuths to put these breadcrumbs together.

:lmao:

So we've gone from the lone wolf,
to a lone wolf and assistant coach,
to a lone wolf, assistant coach, and a booster....

It's only been a day since UoM withdrew their lawsuit against the B1G. Some suspect it is due to all of this information provided by the NCAA yesterday - and the NCAA investigation is still ongoing.
They know the jig is up.
 
Yeah....there's no "back and forth". I just asked what you'd like us to call it since "investigation" is clearly a problem for you and is front and center in your replies to Stoneworker.
Shouldn't be my place to tell you what to call anything. I'm sure you're a big boy that can speak for himself, just like Stone. If you two want to harp on having people tell you what to call things, I'd suggest taking it to a different thread. I've provided articles, links, and news as I find it. You don't like it, I can't help you with that.
I feel like it's ok to tell me when I ask you to. Clearly it triggers you. You even go as far as to label use of that word as "false reporting" as if it's a complete misrepresentation of what happened. So I was just asking you what you'd like us to call it. Probably the 7th or 8th time I've asked with no meaningful response so I'll just drop it from here.
 
Latest news from the MaizenBrew:

According to The Michigan Insider’s Sam Webb ($), Partridge, “Advised some of the players on what to say (to investigators) about their interaction with Stallions. One or more of the players told investigators (what Partridge instructed them to do). When Michigan found out, they reacted with immediate termination. So it wasn’t involvement in the scheme itself, but it was an attempt to quell suspicion.”

Yahoo Sports’ Dan Wetzel and Ross Dellenger also reported that, “Partridge is not alleged at this time of knowing about the advanced scouting by Stalions, but acted after the fact to cover up evidence.” The covering up of evidence, according to Wetzel and Dellenger, involved the, “Destruction of evidence on a computer after the scandal broke.”

So he had players lie about their interactions with Stallions. So now Stallions interacted with players and coaches, one of which has been fired due to trying to cover it up. Unreal.
 
but they're not bowl eligible.
Yet.

They are not bowl eligible, yet.

(They will go to a bowl this year.)
Yeah, probably not going to be enough 6 win teams to fill all the spots.
By tonight, they may be the leader in the Clubhouse for a NY6 bowl. NCAA is supposed to rule on their latest appeal tonight. If it's denied again the AG in Virginia is expected to file lawsuit against the NCAA.
Denied. Would think the AG would have better things to do than fight a rule within the NCAA, one that every other team has had to follow when moving up.
Yeah, they're not gonna win if they go to court. They agreed to terms when they moved up.

It sucks, though. This may be the best team in school history. JMU's just down the road from me and I enjoy watching them play. As noted, they'll probably get invited to a bowl because there won't be enough 6-win teams.

JMU's not a small school, either. I believe they have over 20k undergrads, bigger than many of the ACC schools.
Oh I know, they certainly had an advantage over the rest of the CAA schools (about triple the size of my local W&M) and I'm glad they're gone. :D That said, their 10-0 record is a little misleading IMO. They've played some weak schools, they have 0 impressive wins, and they barely beat a bad UVA team. I think their strength of schedule is somewhere around 100 out of ~125. Gotta think they'd get smoked if they actually do get a New Years bowl game.
They won't get a NY6 game. They'll get paired with someone like Liberty or the MAC champion at 2:30 on Dec 18th :lol:
Yet they’re ranked 18th.
In the AP poll. The CFP folks can't rank them.
I know that. It’s about the absurdity of being eligible for one poll but not another.

In fact, I hope there aren’t enough teams to fill all the bowls and come to JMU to backhandedly offer them a spot…only for JMU to tell them, “Nah, fam, we’re good.” 🤣 It won’t happen, but I’d love to see it.
 
Looking more and more like a lone wolf.

ANN ARBOR, Mich. – Connor Stalions, the former Michigan staffer at the center of sign-stealing investigation by the NCAA, did not file any expense reports during the 17 months he was formally employed by the football program, according to the school.

The Associated Press filed a Freedom of Information Act request for any of Stalions’ expense reports while he was employed at U-M from May 2022 through Nov. 3, 2023. There are no responsive records, Patricia Sellinger, chief freedom of information officer at the school, replied in an email sent Wednesday.
Every piece of evidence so far points to stallions being a loon

A loon who was given access to Michigan coaches on the sidelines during games as well as a slush fund to buy tickets to other games.....

And how quietly the news was swept away about Matt Weiss and the FBI investigation into cyber crimes. Whatever happened with that?
Would have never pegged you as a conspiracy theorist

Would you mind telling me how he afforded those tickets on his salary?
How many different plausible scenarios do you want? And don't get confused....I'm not saying he wasn't being paid by the school or the athletic department or whatever. He may have been. So far, the evidence doesn't really jive with that being the case.

How about 3 plausible scenarios? Sound fair?

Perhaps one is that he comes from a lot of money and has a trust fund he can tap into to buy all these tickets, so I've spotted you one (even though I think his parents were of modest means out of Lake Orion). What are some other plausible scenarios?
#2. He went into debt to fulfill his irrational manifesto
#3. He had other income besides his job at Michigan
#4. No other significant expenses in his life, so he could afford them.
#5. His co-conspirators helping him fulfill his irrational manifesto paid him back
#6. Got funded by a deep state booster (though I guess that could be considered a "slush fund"....just not by the university like it would need to be)

And AGAIN....not saying the university didn't pay him....they may have. Just pointing to what the evidence tells us so far. Maybe more will come out about it.

You nailed it.
 
Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.

Which is what was precisely said when they hired Jimbo. But sure, this next time will be different for them.
Sometimes you get the process right and the results still don’t come. Jimbo proved they can recruit at that elite level, but wasn’t a good enough coach to have the results.
 
Brutal targeting from Pitt - BC last night

I feel like a referral to the local DA for violent assault might be appropriate here.
Dude was trying to head the wide receiver’s head like soccer ball. Yikes.

The more I watch it the more ridiculous it looks.

Does not move his arms at all, Arms are at his side with no attempt at all to lock up and tackle, or bat the ball down.

BCs QB did not look good either.
Kid shouldn't play another down of college football
 
Latest news from the MaizenBrew:

According to The Michigan Insider’s Sam Webb ($), Partridge, “Advised some of the players on what to say (to investigators) about their interaction with Stallions. One or more of the players told investigators (what Partridge instructed them to do). When Michigan found out, they reacted with immediate termination. So it wasn’t involvement in the scheme itself, but it was an attempt to quell suspicion.”

Yahoo Sports’ Dan Wetzel and Ross Dellenger also reported that, “Partridge is not alleged at this time of knowing about the advanced scouting by Stalions, but acted after the fact to cover up evidence.” The covering up of evidence, according to Wetzel and Dellenger, involved the, “Destruction of evidence on a computer after the scandal broke.”

So he had players lie about their interactions with Stallions. So now Stallions interacted with players and coaches, one of which has been fired due to trying to cover it up. Unreal.
Evidence? I think they mean "evidence."
 
Latest news from the MaizenBrew:

According to The Michigan Insider’s Sam Webb ($), Partridge, “Advised some of the players on what to say (to investigators) about their interaction with Stallions. One or more of the players told investigators (what Partridge instructed them to do). When Michigan found out, they reacted with immediate termination. So it wasn’t involvement in the scheme itself, but it was an attempt to quell suspicion.”

Yahoo Sports’ Dan Wetzel and Ross Dellenger also reported that, “Partridge is not alleged at this time of knowing about the advanced scouting by Stalions, but acted after the fact to cover up evidence.” The covering up of evidence, according to Wetzel and Dellenger, involved the, “Destruction of evidence on a computer after the scandal broke.”

So he had players lie about their interactions with Stallions. So now Stallions interacted with players and coaches, one of which has been fired due to trying to cover it up. Unreal.
Evidence? I think they mean "evidence."
BET
 
You nailed it.
I mean...it's the most "water is wet" guess of them all, but cool :thumbup:

I was called a conspiracy theorist (not by you) for suggesting Stallions had access to a "slush fund" to pay for tickets (airline and game).

Feel like Ol' GM here is owed an apology.
No...it was me...and the way it read it seemed like you were talking about the university and I qualified that in the line item you bolded above. #5 on my list could be considered the same. I made what I thought was a relatively safe assumption for that comment but understand I didn't ask you to specify what you meant prior to making my comment, so for that I apologize.
 
Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.

Which is what was precisely said when they hired Jimbo. But sure, this next time will be different for them.
Sometimes you get the process right and the results still don’t come. Jimbo proved they can recruit at that elite level, but wasn’t a good enough coach to have the results.

Fisher was "good enough" when they paid him all that money and let his agent bend them over backwards on all the coach-friendly terms but we are now told by the SAME PEOPLE who hired him that he's not "good enough".

Is it at all possible that the people making decisions for A&M are the ones who aren't "good enough" and perhaps THAT is the real problem?

Aggie jokes exist for a reason, folks.
 
You nailed it.
I mean...it's the most "water is wet" guess of them all, but cool :thumbup:

I was called a conspiracy theorist (not by you) for suggesting Stallions had access to a "slush fund" to pay for tickets (airline and game).

Feel like Ol' GM here is owed an apology.
No...it was me...and the way it read it seemed like you were talking about the university and I qualified that in the line item you bolded above. #5 on my list could be considered the same. I made what I thought was a relatively safe assumption for that comment but understand I didn't ask you to specify what you meant prior to making my comment, so for that I apologize.

You didn't call me a conspiracy theorist, unless NYSL2 or whatever is your alias account, Uncle T. ;)

All good, you're just defending your school and I would do the same. As a fan of football, I'd like this issue to just go away so we can focus on the remaining games. I think UM is as good as Georgia so hope we get that matchup.




And then hope Oregon beats the winner. :)
 
Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.

Which is what was precisely said when they hired Jimbo. But sure, this next time will be different for them.
Sometimes you get the process right and the results still don’t come. Jimbo proved they can recruit at that elite level, but wasn’t a good enough coach to have the results.

Fisher was "good enough" when they paid him all that money and let his agent bend them over backwards on all the coach-friendly terms but we are now told by the SAME PEOPLE who hired him that he's not "good enough".

Is it at all possible that the people making decisions for A&M are the ones who aren't "good enough" and perhaps THAT is the real problem?

Aggie jokes exist for a reason, folks.
I think it was reasonable to bet on a coach that had won a national championship recently. Not all bets win, doesn’t mean they’re dumb.

Aggie jokes also exist because they are a weird/cultish fan base with creepy male cheerleaders.
 

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.
I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.
State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.
 
Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.

Which is what was precisely said when they hired Jimbo. But sure, this next time will be different for them.
Sometimes you get the process right and the results still don’t come. Jimbo proved they can recruit at that elite level, but wasn’t a good enough coach to have the results.

Fisher was "good enough" when they paid him all that money and let his agent bend them over backwards on all the coach-friendly terms but we are now told by the SAME PEOPLE who hired him that he's not "good enough".

Is it at all possible that the people making decisions for A&M are the ones who aren't "good enough" and perhaps THAT is the real problem?

Aggie jokes exist for a reason, folks.
I think it was reasonable to bet on a coach that had won a national championship recently. Not all bets win, doesn’t mean they’re dumb.

Aggie jokes also exist because they are a weird/cultish fan base with creepy male cheerleaders.

A guy I worked with had a non-gay son who was a male cheerleader at FSU. The dad told me he was pulling down more tail than he could ever handle.
 
You nailed it.
I mean...it's the most "water is wet" guess of them all, but cool :thumbup:

I was called a conspiracy theorist (not by you) for suggesting Stallions had access to a "slush fund" to pay for tickets (airline and game).

Feel like Ol' GM here is owed an apology.
No...it was me...and the way it read it seemed like you were talking about the university and I qualified that in the line item you bolded above. #5 on my list could be considered the same. I made what I thought was a relatively safe assumption for that comment but understand I didn't ask you to specify what you meant prior to making my comment, so for that I apologize.

You didn't call me a conspiracy theorist, unless NYSL2 or whatever is your alias account, Uncle T. ;)

All good, you're just defending your school and I would do the same. As a fan of football, I'd like this issue to just go away so we can focus on the remaining games. I think UM is as good as Georgia so hope we get that matchup.




And then hope Oregon beats the winner. :)
Look back through those quotes....it was me. I own it. But to be clear, I am not defending them. I'm not saying the cheating didn't happen and I'm not justifying the cheating. All I'm doing is letting the process play itself out to see where this goes. Said in my very first post on this topic that the cheaters need to be dealt with and I expect those who aren't cooperating to be handled accordingly. So far, so good.

What I HAVE pushed back on is this notion that it's primarily about cheating and sportsmanship. I don't believe that's it, but time will tell on that. I've also mocked the "evidence" presented here on occasion that was clearly meant as a joke. Like the guy way up at the tip top of some stadium with a Michigan hat/sweatshirt on and binoculars at a game that wasn't even a B1G game. It's been interesting to see what people fall for. Remember the "hacker in the program has computers showing....." stuff? Yeah, that stuff I mocked for obvious reasons, none of which include defending the team.
 
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Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.

Which is what was precisely said when they hired Jimbo. But sure, this next time will be different for them.
Sometimes you get the process right and the results still don’t come. Jimbo proved they can recruit at that elite level, but wasn’t a good enough coach to have the results.

Fisher was "good enough" when they paid him all that money and let his agent bend them over backwards on all the coach-friendly terms but we are now told by the SAME PEOPLE who hired him that he's not "good enough".

Is it at all possible that the people making decisions for A&M are the ones who aren't "good enough" and perhaps THAT is the real problem?

Aggie jokes exist for a reason, folks.
I think it was reasonable to bet on a coach that had won a national championship recently. Not all bets win, doesn’t mean they’re dumb.

Aggie jokes also exist because they are a weird/cultish fan base with creepy male cheerleaders.

YELL leaders.

None of their bets have won. That's my point. That's been my point. History is on my side. Ya'll think unlimited money and WANT TO is going to change things.

You know what it doesn't change? The fact that A&M is in the same conference with teams whose bets have won, continue to win and will be there winning if/when A&M ever "figures it out".
 
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Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.

Which is what was precisely said when they hired Jimbo. But sure, this next time will be different for them.
Sometimes you get the process right and the results still don’t come. Jimbo proved they can recruit at that elite level, but wasn’t a good enough coach to have the results.

Fisher was "good enough" when they paid him all that money and let his agent bend them over backwards on all the coach-friendly terms but we are now told by the SAME PEOPLE who hired him that he's not "good enough".

Is it at all possible that the people making decisions for A&M are the ones who aren't "good enough" and perhaps THAT is the real problem?

Aggie jokes exist for a reason, folks.
I think it was reasonable to bet on a coach that had won a national championship recently. Not all bets win, doesn’t mean they’re dumb.

Aggie jokes also exist because they are a weird/cultish fan base with creepy male cheerleaders.

A guy I worked with had a non-gay son who was a male cheerleader at FSU. The dad told me he was pulling down more tail than he could ever handle.

Yeah, these dudes at A&M just scream into a megaphone at other dudes who yell back. There are no female counterparts. You didn't know this about the Aggies?
 
You nailed it.
I mean...it's the most "water is wet" guess of them all, but cool :thumbup:

I was called a conspiracy theorist (not by you) for suggesting Stallions had access to a "slush fund" to pay for tickets (airline and game).

Feel like Ol' GM here is owed an apology.
No...it was me...and the way it read it seemed like you were talking about the university and I qualified that in the line item you bolded above. #5 on my list could be considered the same. I made what I thought was a relatively safe assumption for that comment but understand I didn't ask you to specify what you meant prior to making my comment, so for that I apologize.

You didn't call me a conspiracy theorist, unless NYSL2 or whatever is your alias account, Uncle T. ;)

All good, you're just defending your school and I would do the same. As a fan of football, I'd like this issue to just go away so we can focus on the remaining games. I think UM is as good as Georgia so hope we get that matchup.




And then hope Oregon beats the winner. :)
Look back through those quotes....it was me. I own it. But to be clear, I am not defending them. I'm not saying the cheating didn't happen and I'm not justifying the cheating. All I'm doing is letting the process play itself out to see where this goes. Said in my very first post on this topic that the cheaters need to be dealt with and I expect those who aren't cooperating to be handled accordingly. So far, so good.

What I HAVE pushed back on is this notion that it's primarily about cheating and sportsmanship. I don't believe that's it, but time will tell on that.

I think Michigan is really good. I don't think they are really good because of sign stealing. Which is why it's all so boggling. Why risk all of this to beat Rutgers when you don't need to?
 
Could definitely see A&M making a Georgia type jump if they get the right coach. They have a very rich alumni base, a giant stadium, and oodles of weird fan nonsense. They don't think mediocrity is enough and are going to keep swinging for the fences. The expanded playoff is going to really help these SEC schools.

The whole - A&M can't win because they never have seems really misguided to me. More sounds like folks bashing A&M (which I find funny as I don't give two ****s about them) but there's no doubt, in my mind, that they could make the jump if the hire the next Saban, Kirby, etc.

Which is what was precisely said when they hired Jimbo. But sure, this next time will be different for them.
Sometimes you get the process right and the results still don’t come. Jimbo proved they can recruit at that elite level, but wasn’t a good enough coach to have the results.

Fisher was "good enough" when they paid him all that money and let his agent bend them over backwards on all the coach-friendly terms but we are now told by the SAME PEOPLE who hired him that he's not "good enough".

Is it at all possible that the people making decisions for A&M are the ones who aren't "good enough" and perhaps THAT is the real problem?

Aggie jokes exist for a reason, folks.
I think it was reasonable to bet on a coach that had won a national championship recently. Not all bets win, doesn’t mean they’re dumb.

Aggie jokes also exist because they are a weird/cultish fan base with creepy male cheerleaders.

A guy I worked with had a non-gay son who was a male cheerleader at FSU. The dad told me he was pulling down more tail than he could ever handle.

Yeah, these dudes at A&M just scream into a megaphone at other dudes who yell back. There are no female counterparts. You didn't know this about the Aggies?

No..had no idea.
 

I thought you would be more focused on the big game tomorrow.

BIGs Toilet Bowl. Michigan State vs Indiana both 1-6 in conference and tied for the worst record in the BIG.

My wife went to State so I am rooting for them to win.
I think he's moved on to OSU fan now.
State football fans always bail on their team in bad times.

My wife's college friends were all gung ho "Sparty On" when they had some good years. They jumped off the bandwagon as soon as the well ran dry. Don`t watch the games. Empty seats everywhere in the stadium. No interest in the football team.

Even in the Rich Rod/Brady Hoke years Michigan still sold out every home game.

It is hilarious to me that you think this is a good thing. That anyone should support a football program and give them money and time if they put crap on the field.
 
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