2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (3 Viewers)

[Da Guru]

A lot of smoke on Twitter today about FSU pulling the lever and leaving the ACC. Local reporters with a lot of eyes emojis etc. As always I doubt anything happens but it’s out there.

Unfortunately, there are only 2 conferences now. Way back machine here, but Bear Bryant once proposed a 64 team NCAA thing with 4 sets of 16 teams. I wish we would’ve ended up with something like that organically. Unfortunately we became ruled by tv contracts, and even if we get a similar number of teams with 4 possible divisions, it would’ve been nice to see something that won’t be the region less Frankenstein thing we are going to end up seeing. Both of the conferences left, if it does end up being that, will be carrying too much dead weight.

We now have a football minor league with teams who don’t belong because of collegiate alliances. I hate it. I’ll stick around long enough to see who replaces Saban, but I doubt I’m going to be watching nearly as much 7-10 years from now.

We are in the chaos phase following the destruction of the NCAA civilization. Maybe something good will rise up after it is all destroyed.

If you told me 5 years ago USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington would be in the midwestern BIG, and schools on the west coast like Stanford and California would be in the "Atlantic Coast Conference" I never would have believed it.

 

[ChiefD]

College football honestly is ruined for me. This blatant disregard for tradition and long-time relationships for simple greed has ruined it. The greed comes from the top and trickles down to a 19 year old transferring schools because he didn't get enough money. Or the coaches disregarding a 20 year old who has worked hard for 3 years only to get replaced by a bought quarterback from another school.

It's flat out sickening to be honest. I'm an old guy who is pretty open minded about stuff, but this whole dismantling of college football for a few extra million dollars is a disgusting display of American greed.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

It really is so stupid now with the blatant NIL transfer portal, conferences making no sense, etc. I never was a huge college football person, but now it is down to almost zero. Maybe I will watch the Penn State bowl game, but I probably will forget when it is on and miss it.

 

[tri-man 47]

College football honestly is ruined for me. This blatant disregard for tradition and long-time relationships for simple greed has ruined it. The greed comes from the top and trickles down to a 19 year old transferring schools because he didn't get enough money. Or the coaches disregarding a 20 year old who has worked hard for 3 years only to get replaced by a bought quarterback from another school.

It's flat out sickening to be honest. I'm an old guy who is pretty open minded about stuff, but this whole dismantling of college football for a few extra million dollars is a disgusting display of American greed.

Amen. I “lost” college basketball many years ago when the players started going pro after one year and I really couldn’t get to know and follow the talented athletes (and now also the NIL-driven transfers). College football is losing its appeal as well.

As you’ll be learning via your son, @ChiefD , D III sports offer a wonderful alternative.

 

[whoknew]

If anyone had any sense, they would just split off the top 35 or 40 football schools from the NCAA and then go back to the Power 5 for all the other sports.

 

[Instinctive]

Looks like the Alamo Bowl vs Arizona for us. Would have gone to the Cotton Bowl and frankly think its ridiculous that Mizzou is ranked ahead of us, but we'll get plenty of chances to rove that was dumb in the coming years.

Excited to watch JA with prep for a big game.

 

[Instinctive]

If anyone had any sense, they would just split off the top 35 or 40 football schools from the NCAA and then go back to the Power 5 for all the other sports.

No, that's way too obvious and simple.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

If anyone had any sense, they would just split off the top 35 or 40 football schools from the NCAA and then go back to the Power 5 for all the other sports.

Hopefully the rest of the Power 5 don't let those 35-40 schools compete in the same division in the other sports.

 

[culdeus]

If anyone had any sense, they would just split off the top 35 or 40 football schools from the NCAA and then go back to the Power 5 for all the other sports.

Hopefully the rest of the Power 5 don't let those 35-40 schools compete in the same division in the other sports.

Why would they not?

 

[culdeus]

College football honestly is ruined for me. This blatant disregard for tradition and long-time relationships for simple greed has ruined it. The greed comes from the top and trickles down to a 19 year old transferring schools because he didn't get enough money. Or the coaches disregarding a 20 year old who has worked hard for 3 years only to get replaced by a bought quarterback from another school.

It's flat out sickening to be honest. I'm an old guy who is pretty open minded about stuff, but this whole dismantling of college football for a few extra million dollars is a disgusting display of American greed.

This is basically all Texas' fault. They wanted to continually find way to bring in more money and weaponize it.

They blew up the big 8 then sent Nebraska and Arkansas into oblivion and to a certain extent a&m with their ********. When the LHN flopped and their teams sucked for a decade and a half they played a key role in NIL and portals.

Ann Richards was right.

 

[ChiefD]

College football honestly is ruined for me. This blatant disregard for tradition and long-time relationships for simple greed has ruined it. The greed comes from the top and trickles down to a 19 year old transferring schools because he didn't get enough money. Or the coaches disregarding a 20 year old who has worked hard for 3 years only to get replaced by a bought quarterback from another school.

It's flat out sickening to be honest. I'm an old guy who is pretty open minded about stuff, but this whole dismantling of college football for a few extra million dollars is a disgusting display of American greed.

This is basically all Texas' fault. They wanted to continually find way to bring in more money and weaponize it.

They blew up the big 8 then sent Nebraska and Arkansas into oblivion and to a certain extent a&m with their ********. When the LHN flopped and their teams sucked for a decade and a half they played a key role in NIL and portals.

Ann Richards was right.

Agree 100%.

 

[tri-man 47]

If anyone had any sense, they would just split off the top 35 or 40 football schools from the NCAA and then go back to the Power 5 for all the other sports.

Isn't that the idea behind the pay-the-football-players plan that's been floated? (And maybe it's basketball too ...not sure.)

 

[3C's]

FCS playoff game last night was good. Hopefully the other 3 today are as well but the point spread in the Villanova game is huge so that one might not be.

 

[Tom Servo]

Sign seen at the Army-Navy game:

If Maverick had gone to West Point, Goose would still be alive.

 

[Tom Servo]

GO NAVY! BEAT ARMY!!

 

[Jayded]

FSU might be moving to the Big Ten within a month?…

RUMOR: Florida State working to leave ACC for Big Ten within next month

Rumor has it Florida State will be heading to the Big Ten. Conference expansion and realignment has been major news storyline across college football for the last two years, and it appears another big shake-up is on the way. On Friday, a report emerged that Florida State…

spartanswire.usatoday.com

 

[Tom Servo]

FSU might be moving to the Big Ten within a month?…

RUMOR: Florida State working to leave ACC for Big Ten within next month

Rumor has it Florida State will be heading to the Big Ten. Conference expansion and realignment has been major news storyline across college football for the last two years, and it appears another big shake-up is on the way. On Friday, a report emerged that Florida State…

spartanswire.usatoday.com

While that may or may not come to pass, the account cited is kind of sketchy. They claimed OSU's Brian Hartline committed a recruiting violation by visiting a high school student twice in the same week. The kid's other school he's considering? Yup, Florida State. And the "proof" they cited were pictures that make the Zapruder footage look like it was shot in 4K.

 

[Jayded]

FSU might be moving to the Big Ten within a month?…

RUMOR: Florida State working to leave ACC for Big Ten within next month

Rumor has it Florida State will be heading to the Big Ten. Conference expansion and realignment has been major news storyline across college football for the last two years, and it appears another big shake-up is on the way. On Friday, a report emerged that Florida State…

spartanswire.usatoday.com

While that may or may not come to pass, the account cited is kind of sketchy. They claimed OSU's Brian Hartline committed a recruiting violation by visiting a high school student twice in the same week. The kid's other school he's considering? Yup, Florida State. And the "proof" they cited were pictures that make the Zapruder footage look like it was shot in 4K.

An interesting wrinkle could be this being a real big and final domino to what we know. Never thought I’d see it, but ND boards already have the “never…we’re independent” crowd saying if FSU goes there, that they’d finally back ND moving there too.

I think they see what’s happening and we all figure it’ll fundamentally change, but that could be an interesting tipping point also with a new president and AD just starting.

 

[Mookie Gizzy]

Appears the contract extension for Harbaugh is in the 10-11M a year range for 5 years, but he has to commit to not interviewing for NFL jobs after the end of this season.

As a UM guy, what is your confidence level that he actually signs an extension?

As an outsider, I think it’s very very unlikely that he signs an extension. Whether that is his choice or the offer gets pulled I don’t know, but I will be surprised if it happens.

I know for a fact the #1 reason Harbaugh would like to go back to the NFL is the non-stop recruiting, the kissing *** of 16-17 year old kids and their parents only to lose half of them before they get to school, then after 1 season they can transfer or they can transfer mid-season now. Harbaugh is all about "team" keeping the team together for a goal. Those days are over in college football.

If you think it is bad now in 2 years we won`t recognize the college football game of even 5 years ago.

Yeah. I’m sure Harbaugh will find the NFL team unwilling to sign free agents so he can keep the same players year after year

 

[Tom Servo]

Navy has 81 total yards at the half. Iowa's gotta be looking at that and wondering how they can move the ball that well.

 

[3C's]

FCS playoff game last night was good. Hopefully the other 3 today are as well but the point spread in the Villanova game is huge so that one might not be.

Looks like the odds makers had the blowout on the wrong game.

 

[General Malaise]

Dillon Gabriel is a Duck.

Ty Thompson probably gone.

 

[Tom Servo]

In the D3 playoffs, SUNY Cortland boat raced Randolph Macon 49-14 to earn their first ever trip to the Stagg Bowl next Friday. At worst, I can say my alma mater lost to the national runner-up.

 

[3C's]

Nail biter! Navy on the 2

 

[3C's]

Silly to sneak from the 2.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

FCS playoff game last night was good. Hopefully the other 3 today are as well but the point spread in the Villanova game is huge so that one might not be.

NDSU... Not dead yet.

 

[-OZ-]

Go ARMY!

Ok, so the salute emoji looks like a weird white beret

 

[Jayded]

Damn Travis finished 5th in Heisman voting. The season is trolling FSU with 5th place finishes.

 

[Doug B]

Bo Nix just secured the Heisman.

It's him vs Daniels at this point

Well, and Penix I guess.

Daniels is a beast. Just think those 3 losses (or more?) will hurt him.

I’m glad the voters were able to look past LSU’s putrid D and recognize Daniels’ season.

 

[psychobillies]

Bo Nix just secured the Heisman.

It's him vs Daniels at this point

Well, and Penix I guess.

Daniels is a beast. Just think those 3 losses (or more?) will hurt him.

I’m glad the voters were able to look past LSU’s putrid D and recognize Daniels’ season.

His stats were just overwhelming. Absolutely insane what he did.

 

[Capella]

Damn Travis finished 5th in Heisman voting. The season is trolling FSU with 5th place finishes.

Whole thing is even more annoying knowing how they locked down the heisman winner. Ah well.

 

[psychobillies]

Daniels

Vs FSU 410 total yards 1 TD 1 turnover 141.5 QBR

Vs Bama 382 total yards 3 TD 1 turnover, but he was knocked out early. 158.3 QBR

 

[Desert_Power]

On espn.com this morning: "LSU's Daniels edges UW's Penix to win Heisman"

I see what you did there....

 

[Galileo]

Insane dollars Jr. for Marvin Harrison to stay in college...

https://twitter.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1733665455145955822

Now I am a little skeptical of the "reportededly rumored" wording being used here, but if true, those are remarkable numbers. If not true, we'll get there soon.

 

[Capella]

Daniels

Vs FSU 410 total yards 1 TD 1 turnover 141.5 QBR

Vs Bama 382 total yards 3 TD 1 turnover, but he was knocked out early. 158.3 QBR

Come on man. Daniels had 75 of those yards with a minute left in the game down 45-17.

 

[nysfl2]

Insane dollars Jr. for Marvin Harrison to stay in college...

https://twitter.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1733665455145955822

Now I am a little skeptical of the "reportededly rumored" wording being used here, but if true, those are remarkable numbers. If not true, we'll get there soon.

Ah, the beauty and purity of amateur sports . . .

 

[psychobillies]

Daniels

Vs FSU 410 total yards 1 TD 1 turnover 141.5 QBR

Vs Bama 382 total yards 3 TD 1 turnover, but he was knocked out early. 158.3 QBR

Come on man. Daniels had 75 of those yards with a minute left in the game down 45-17.

I wasn't really disagreeing with you. You guys played him better than Bama did, and that was my point. I don't think FSU "locked him down", but that's probably more an issue of semantics.

 

[Doug B]

Insane dollars Jr. for Marvin Harrison to stay in college...

https://twitter.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1733665455145955822

Now I am a little skeptical of the "reportededly rumored" wording being used here, but if true, those are remarkable numbers. If not true, we'll get there soon.

“Wow … he really goes here? I thought he only flew in for games!”

 

[gump]

Daniels

Vs FSU 410 total yards 1 TD 1 turnover 141.5 QBR

Vs Bama 382 total yards 3 TD 1 turnover, but he was knocked out early. 158.3 QBR

Come on man. Daniels had 75 of those yards with a minute left in the game down 45-17.

I wasn't really disagreeing with you. You guys played him better than Bama did, and that was my point. I don't think FSU "locked him down", but that's probably more an issue of semantics.

Bama did a great job bs Daniels in the 2nd half, which is the story of the year for that D (especially compared to the previous Golding era).

 

[Anarchy99]

ESPN' computer model ended up with this as their season ending rankings . . . which are pretty odd.

1. Michigan
2. Ohio State
3. Penn State
4. Oregon
5. Alabama
6. Georgia
7. Texas
8. Oklahoma
9. LSU
10. Notre Dame
11. Florida State
12. Kansas State
13. Washington
14. Texas A&M
15. Ole Miss
16. Missouri
17. Tennessee
18. Oregon State
19. Clemson
20. SMU

 

[CletiusMaximus]

FCS playoff game last night was good. Hopefully the other 3 today are as well but the point spread in the Villanova game is huge so that one might not be.

NDSU... Not dead yet.

I feel like NDSU was underseeded in this bracket.

 

[Yo Mama]

On espn.com this morning: "LSU's Daniels edges UW's Penix to win Heisman"

I see what you did there....

“. . . The Washington QB was tantalizingly close to achieving his ultimate goal, but was denied at the very end by the Heisman voters.”

 

[Tau837]

Insane dollars Jr. for Marvin Harrison to stay in college...

https://twitter.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1733665455145955822

Now I am a little skeptical of the "reportededly rumored" wording being used here, but if true, those are remarkable numbers. If not true, we'll get there soon.

First off, I don't believe the numbers in that tweet. But I also think it still wouldn't be worth it to stay.

Let's say he is the #3 pick in the 2024 draft. OverTheCap estimates his 4 year rookie contract would be worth $41.7M with a $27M signing bonus. So he would make more in 2024 by going pro, assuming he is a top pick.

Compared to staying in school, this also puts him a year closer to his 5th year option. In 2024, that would be ~$15M. By 2028 (Harrison's 5th year if he goes pro), it will be higher.

More importantly, going pro also puts him a year closer to signing his second NFL contract. By 2028-2029, when that contract could kick in, he would likely stand to earn $30M+ per year, maybe $35M+.

If Harrison is confident he is going to be a great NFL performer, he loses money by staying in school. Even an injury wouldn't change that unless it was a career ending/altering injury (i.e., the type of injury that is quite rare). And this doesn't account for the possibility that he has a lesser season in 2024 if he stays in school, lowering his 2025 draft position.

 

[3C's]

One thing people always miss when talking about staying in college to make more nil money is delaying the future multi-million dollar second contract.

 

[3C's]

FCS playoff game last night was good. Hopefully the other 3 today are as well but the point spread in the Villanova game is huge so that one might not be.

NDSU... Not dead yet.

HC leaving for the better weather at USC.

 

[psychobillies]

Daniels

Vs FSU 410 total yards 1 TD 1 turnover 141.5 QBR

Vs Bama 382 total yards 3 TD 1 turnover, but he was knocked out early. 158.3 QBR

Come on man. Daniels had 75 of those yards with a minute left in the game down 45-17.

I wasn't really disagreeing with you. You guys played him better than Bama did, and that was my point. I don't think FSU "locked him down", but that's probably more an issue of semantics.

Bama did a great job bs Daniels in the 2nd half, which is the story of the year for that D (especially compared to the previous Golding era).

Really? They knocked him out with a blatant headshot. He was doing fine before that.

 

[JAA]

A lot of smoke on Twitter today about FSU pulling the lever and leaving the ACC. Local reporters with a lot of eyes emojis etc. As always I doubt anything happens but it’s out there.

Them and Clemson will be leaving. Just a matter of time.

 

[JAA]

A lot of smoke on Twitter today about FSU pulling the lever and leaving the ACC. Local reporters with a lot of eyes emojis etc. As always I doubt anything happens but it’s out there.

Unfortunately, there are only 2 conferences now. Way back machine here, but Bear Bryant once proposed a 64 team NCAA thing with 4 sets of 16 teams. I wish we would’ve ended up with something like that organically. Unfortunately we became ruled by tv contracts, and even if we get a similar number of teams with 4 possible divisions, it would’ve been nice to see something that won’t be the region less Frankenstein thing we are going to end up seeing. Both of the conferences left, if it does end up being that, will be carrying too much dead weight.

We now have a football minor league with teams who don’t belong because of collegiate alliances. I hate it. I’ll stick around long enough to see who replaces Saban, but I doubt I’m going to be watching nearly as much 7-10 years from now.

We are in the chaos phase following the destruction of the NCAA civilization. Maybe something good will rise up after it is all destroyed.

Its going to start with 2 16-team leagues run by the B1G and SEC. We may get to that, but it wont be inside the NCAA control.

 

[JAA]

It really is so stupid now with the blatant NIL transfer portal, conferences making no sense, etc. I never was a huge college football person, but now it is down to almost zero. Maybe I will watch the Penn State bowl game, but I probably will forget when it is on and miss it.

Why is it stupid? Universities have been making billions off of athletes for decades. Why shouldn't the athletes be compensated the same?

Athletics scholarships are only 1-year renewable contracts which can be pulled any time.

Coaches can leave and go wherever.

Regular students can go wherever and make whatever money they want off of their NIL while receiving an academic scholarship.

Yet athletes get none of this?

 

[General Malaise]

Bo Nix just secured the Heisman.

It's him vs Daniels at this point

Well, and Penix I guess.

Daniels is a beast. Just think those 3 losses (or more?) will hurt him.

I’m glad the voters were able to look past LSU’s putrid D and recognize Daniels’ season.

Happy for him. Had one of my fraternity brothers in town for Thanksgiving and he used to work at LSU as dean of students or Greek life or something and has a bunch of contacts at LSU still. By all accounts, Jayden's a great kid, humble, kind, goes out of his way to be nice. Enjoyed the segment with his family. Geuax Jayden!