culdeus
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Hasn't that been the case for a decade now?
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2023 College football thread - That's A Wrap (1 Viewer)
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gump
Footballguy
I’m wondering if there are any lines that didn’t move as they should’ve considering a bunch of missing talent…there were a couple that jumped out last year.
Capella
Footballguy
Syracuse last night lol. I hit that one pretty hard. Saw they had a tight end playing QB and punched that one.
JAA
Footballguy
Just as we (most of us 
) predicted ...
www.cbssports.com
) predicted ...
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
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Osaurus
Footballguy
Almost
The Commish
Footballguy
Well, it's going to change now, but the initial approach was the top 6 ranked conference champions would get automatic bids (top four with round one byes) and the other 6 would be the next highest-rated teams regardless of conference alignment. In reality we are still bound by the whims of the committee and how they decide to rank teams so that part doesn't change. It's just more teams in their rankings now. Still going to be plenty of shenanigans to argue and get pissy about.
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Tau837
Footballguy
Just as we (most of us
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
They have to prevail for it to matter. Then they actually have to be invited to join the SEC or B1G and get to full member payout status to make it worthwhile.
Also notable that the ACC sued FSU first, on Thursday.
The Commish
Footballguy
You're setting your own criteria, which is fine, but even if the B1G offered them half for the first 5 years, they'd be making pretty much the same thing they are making now plus they'd have access to literal billions in research money. Then they'd get full share moving forward. I think they'd be fine with that knowing how the ACC is viewed today and what it's ceiling is.Just as we (most of us
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
They have to prevail for it to matter. Then they actually have to be invited to join the SEC or B1G and get to full member payout status to make it worthwhile.
Also notable that the ACC sued FSU first, on Thursday.
Tau837
Footballguy
You're setting your own criteria, which is fine, but even if the B1G offered them half for the first 5 years, they'd be making pretty much the same thing they are making now plus they'd have access to literal billions in research money. Then they'd get full share moving forward. I think they'd be fine with that knowing how the ACC is viewed today and what it's ceiling is.Just as we (most of us
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
They have to prevail for it to matter. Then they actually have to be invited to join the SEC or B1G and get to full member payout status to make it worthwhile.
Also notable that the ACC sued FSU first, on Thursday.
Will the B1G add a 19th member that is not in the AAU?
The Commish
Footballguy
They took Nebraska. Prior to that Id have said no.You're setting your own criteria, which is fine, but even if the B1G offered them half for the first 5 years, they'd be making pretty much the same thing they are making now plus they'd have access to literal billions in research money. Then they'd get full share moving forward. I think they'd be fine with that knowing how the ACC is viewed today and what it's ceiling is.Just as we (most of us
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
They have to prevail for it to matter. Then they actually have to be invited to join the SEC or B1G and get to full member payout status to make it worthwhile.
Also notable that the ACC sued FSU first, on Thursday.
Will the B1G add a 19th member that is not in the AAU?
Capella
Footballguy
Yes, the Big will be adding FSU, because Fox wants them to. AAU has nothing to do with this anymore it is not 2008.You're setting your own criteria, which is fine, but even if the B1G offered them half for the first 5 years, they'd be making pretty much the same thing they are making now plus they'd have access to literal billions in research money. Then they'd get full share moving forward. I think they'd be fine with that knowing how the ACC is viewed today and what it's ceiling is.Just as we (most of us
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
They have to prevail for it to matter. Then they actually have to be invited to join the SEC or B1G and get to full member payout status to make it worthwhile.
Also notable that the ACC sued FSU first, on Thursday.
Will the B1G add a 19th member that is not in the AAU?
JAA
Footballguy
Denial doesnt look good on youJust as we (most of us
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
They have to prevail for it to matter. Then they actually have to be invited to join the SEC or B1G and get to full member payout status to make it worthwhile.
Also notable that the ACC sued FSU first, on Thursday.
Its going to happen, no reason to get caught up in specifics and details. FSU is leaving an "ironclad" agreement, period.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Chick-fil-A gift card?
Capella
Footballguy
From Nicole Auerbach
FSU lawyer says that ESPN has a "unilateral" right to exercise a nine-year option to extend its media deal with the ACC from 2027 through 2036. (Which it hasn't yet.) Right now, there is no guaranteed media rights revenue for ACC members past 2027.
Absolutely crazy. Espn can just dump the ACC but the ACC can’t renegotiate with espn. FSU is the first one taking this on. If they succeed it will be an ACC bloodbath.
FSU lawyer says that ESPN has a "unilateral" right to exercise a nine-year option to extend its media deal with the ACC from 2027 through 2036. (Which it hasn't yet.) Right now, there is no guaranteed media rights revenue for ACC members past 2027.
Absolutely crazy. Espn can just dump the ACC but the ACC can’t renegotiate with espn. FSU is the first one taking this on. If they succeed it will be an ACC bloodbath.
The Commish
Footballguy
Remember when I was talking about the networks renegotiating with the conference? 
Tau837
Footballguy
They took Nebraska. Prior to that Id have said no.You're setting your own criteria, which is fine, but even if the B1G offered them half for the first 5 years, they'd be making pretty much the same thing they are making now plus they'd have access to literal billions in research money. Then they'd get full share moving forward. I think they'd be fine with that knowing how the ACC is viewed today and what it's ceiling is.Just as we (most of us
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
They have to prevail for it to matter. Then they actually have to be invited to join the SEC or B1G and get to full member payout status to make it worthwhile.
Also notable that the ACC sued FSU first, on Thursday.
Will the B1G add a 19th member that is not in the AAU?
Nebraska was in AAU at that time. Since then, I believe AAU changed their valuation of agriculture, which dropped Nebraska out. But they were in when added. FSU is not in AAU. To this point in time, the B1G has never added an expansion member not in AAU.
Tau837
Footballguy
Denial doesnt look good on youJust as we (most of us
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
They have to prevail for it to matter. Then they actually have to be invited to join the SEC or B1G and get to full member payout status to make it worthwhile.
Also notable that the ACC sued FSU first, on Thursday.
Its going to happen, no reason to get caught up in specifics and details. FSU is leaving an "ironclad" agreement, period.
We will see.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Eff BSPN
Tau837
Footballguy
As a fan of another ACC university, I hope FSU prevails in court, pays a big settlement to get out, and then is not invited into SEC or B1G.
A point I saw made elsewhere is that if FSU prevails, opening the door for other universities to exit the ACC, there are other universities that would immediately jump FSU in priority. Not saying I necessarily agree, but UNC and UVA could be more appealing to B1G than FSU... both AAU universities, and two new market states. And some combo of UNC, NC State, VT, and UVA could be more appealing to SEC since those are new markets for SEC but FSU doesn't offer that.
A point I saw made elsewhere is that if FSU prevails, opening the door for other universities to exit the ACC, there are other universities that would immediately jump FSU in priority. Not saying I necessarily agree, but UNC and UVA could be more appealing to B1G than FSU... both AAU universities, and two new market states. And some combo of UNC, NC State, VT, and UVA could be more appealing to SEC since those are new markets for SEC but FSU doesn't offer that.
gump
Footballguy
19th and 20th.You're setting your own criteria, which is fine, but even if the B1G offered them half for the first 5 years, they'd be making pretty much the same thing they are making now plus they'd have access to literal billions in research money. Then they'd get full share moving forward. I think they'd be fine with that knowing how the ACC is viewed today and what it's ceiling is.Just as we (most of us
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
They have to prevail for it to matter. Then they actually have to be invited to join the SEC or B1G and get to full member payout status to make it worthwhile.
Also notable that the ACC sued FSU first, on Thursday.
Will the B1G add a 19th member that is not in the AAU?
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Part of FSU’s legal filing charges that the ACC violated the contractual, legal and fiduciary duties it owed to its members by admitting Cal, Stanford and SMU, which diluted the media rights and diminished the already inadequate strength of schedule.
I guess that will be part of their argument for why they should be let out.
I guess that will be part of their argument for why they should be let out.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I don't know much about SMU but I bet Cal and Stanford lawyers are spending their holiday reading the fine print in whatever agreement they have with the ACC.
Tau837
Footballguy
Those members are getting trivial payouts for several years ($0 for SMU for 9 years and 30% payout to Stanford and Cal for 7 years IIRC), which undermines that argument IMO. Will be interesting to see what effect that has on this.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
It's almost like FSU should have withdrawn from the conference before signing that contract.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
You want to talk new markets? I think GT has the biggest weenie in that discussion
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Interestingly, FSU’s filing points out that very thing in order to bolster its case that the league’s media cache is diminished
The Commish
Footballguy
They were losing their accreditation and the conference knew it when they accepted them.They took Nebraska. Prior to that Id have said no.You're setting your own criteria, which is fine, but even if the B1G offered them half for the first 5 years, they'd be making pretty much the same thing they are making now plus they'd have access to literal billions in research money. Then they'd get full share moving forward. I think they'd be fine with that knowing how the ACC is viewed today and what it's ceiling is.Just as we (most of us
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
They have to prevail for it to matter. Then they actually have to be invited to join the SEC or B1G and get to full member payout status to make it worthwhile.
Also notable that the ACC sued FSU first, on Thursday.
Will the B1G add a 19th member that is not in the AAU?
Nebraska was in AAU at that time. Since then, I believe AAU changed their valuation of agriculture, which dropped Nebraska out. But they were in when added. FSU is not in AAU. To this point in time, the B1G has never added an expansion member not in AAU.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Would they even try to leave without knowing they had an invite?
I wouldn’t have any idea, but it would seem logically that if they want to leave it’s because they have a place to land.
Tau837
Footballguy
If it came out that either conference had offered an invite, they would be subject to being sued for tampering. No idea if that has any actual teeth, and thus whether they would care.
The Commish
Footballguy
B1G network is already in the entire SE. Those wouldn't be new markets. They might be able to charge the service providers more since now there is a team local that people care about, but that would be seen in the new agreement the B1G signs after this 7 year, $7B one is up....unless they too renegotiate. I don't think there's any question the B1G would love a team or two as part of their conference be in the heart of SEC country.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Maybe they’ve just got some strong hints.
Like I said, I have no real idea, but I have to imagine they’re not blindly jumping off a cliff, but I suppose they could just be super salty.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Is Notre Dame remaining independent/ pseudo ACC member?
Tau837
Footballguy
ACC member in every sport except football.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Michael Scott: IT’S HAPPENING! IT’S HAPPENING!!!Just as we (most of us
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
General Malaise
Footballguy
Thanks for steering it back, GB. The legal chitchat is getting old.
Capella
Footballguy
Yea man, Fox is definitely going to pony up another 55M a year for the University of Virginia football lol
The Commish
Footballguy
We need to get back to how Michigan deserves the death penalty for scouting teams on their schedule.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
3C's
Footballguy
Might be a good read but...Paywall.
And due to the way they do theirs, you can read just enough to get interested and then BAM a popup, I'll probably never subscribe.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Sorry. Should have prefaced my post.Might be a good read but...Paywall.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
After a really slow start, Tech controlled the rest of the game. I know several alums who were not thrilled with Key but he’s done a really nice job.
3C's
Footballguy
No worries. Just annoys me about that site.Sorry. Should have prefaced my post.Might be a good read but...Paywall.
First few lines about the campus are true. Drove around it the other night after I dropped into the Costco nearby. Pretty impressive!
ETA: took them up on the $1/month deal.
Tau837
Footballguy
They were losing their accreditation and the conference knew it when they accepted them.They took Nebraska. Prior to that Id have said no.You're setting your own criteria, which is fine, but even if the B1G offered them half for the first 5 years, they'd be making pretty much the same thing they are making now plus they'd have access to literal billions in research money. Then they'd get full share moving forward. I think they'd be fine with that knowing how the ACC is viewed today and what it's ceiling is.Just as we (most of us
Florida State sues ACC over grant of rights, withdrawal fees, marking first step towards attempted departure
Leaving the ACC unchallenged will force Florida State to pony up $572 million in exit fees
They have to prevail for it to matter. Then they actually have to be invited to join the SEC or B1G and get to full member payout status to make it worthwhile.
Also notable that the ACC sued FSU first, on Thursday.
Will the B1G add a 19th member that is not in the AAU?
Nebraska was in AAU at that time. Since then, I believe AAU changed their valuation of agriculture, which dropped Nebraska out. But they were in when added. FSU is not in AAU. To this point in time, the B1G has never added an expansion member not in AAU.
I thought their application was accepted in 2010, and it was about a year later when Nebraska was voted out of AAU after being in AAU for more than 100 years. I remember reading back then that it was unlikely they would have been accepted had they been out of AAU at the time they were accepted for B1G membership.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Win a playoff game first. I think that's what I'd like to see from such a "vaunted" program. Can Michigan win even one of those?
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