Ilov80s
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HS completion %? That’s too deep for me. I don’t even know what the average HS completion % is.
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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Draft, FAs, trades? (15 Viewers)
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HS completion %? That’s too deep for me. I don’t even know what the average HS completion % is.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Calais Campbell signing with the Falcons.
Y'all see the report they're thinking about leaving Allen Park? Apparently they want a bigger site with better ingress/egress to accommodate fans, especially when they hold joint practices. Open TC practices will be free again this year. Joint practices with the Giants.
Upcoming prospect visits include at least 3 guards: Steve Avila (TCU), Chandler Zavala (NC State), Atonio Mafi (UCLA.) Jonah is up next year and no Gs are signed beyond 2024. Other visits: Georgia DI Jalen Carter, South Carolina CB Emmanuel Forbes, Stephen F Austin ED B.J. Thompson, and KSU (née Nebraska) QB Adrian Martinez.
Dan Campbell embracing skyrocketing expectations
Lions might sell out for the season. Not sure if that's ever happened. They were last in the league in attendance in 2021.
Y'all see the report they're thinking about leaving Allen Park? Apparently they want a bigger site with better ingress/egress to accommodate fans, especially when they hold joint practices. Open TC practices will be free again this year. Joint practices with the Giants.
Upcoming prospect visits include at least 3 guards: Steve Avila (TCU), Chandler Zavala (NC State), Atonio Mafi (UCLA.) Jonah is up next year and no Gs are signed beyond 2024. Other visits: Georgia DI Jalen Carter, South Carolina CB Emmanuel Forbes, Stephen F Austin ED B.J. Thompson, and KSU (née Nebraska) QB Adrian Martinez.
Dan Campbell embracing skyrocketing expectations
The Detroit Lions haven’t won a division title since 1993, haven’t won a playoff game since 1991, haven’t won a championship since 1957, and just in case you’ve forgotten any of that, Dan Campbell had it painted in giant numbers across the back wall of the team meeting room.
1993.
1991.
1957.
That’s some heavy history, and coaches have run from the burden for years. Matt Patricia grew visibly uncomfortable every time it was brought up, insisting none of it had to do with him or his players today. But Dan Campbell is a little different than Matt Patricia -- perhaps you’ve noticed -- and has leaned into the sordid history that has defined this franchise for more than a half-century.
1993.
1991.
1957.
That’s some heavy history, and coaches have run from the burden for years. Matt Patricia grew visibly uncomfortable every time it was brought up, insisting none of it had to do with him or his players today. But Dan Campbell is a little different than Matt Patricia -- perhaps you’ve noticed -- and has leaned into the sordid history that has defined this franchise for more than a half-century.
Lions might sell out for the season. Not sure if that's ever happened. They were last in the league in attendance in 2021.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I hit .438 my senior year. Still can't believe the Tigers didn't draft me.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Damn they missed out on the next Ted Williams
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
If I had the extra cash and the time(mostly the travel time), it would be an adventure to fly in for their homes games
Mingle with the fan base that hasn't tasted success in a very long time.
Hard Rock sells out and many stadiums you have to get in line to buy a season ticket
Miami hasn't tasted success despite 3 winning seasons in a row....10-7 and then B2B 9-8, firmly back at mediocrity where we've been for 25 years now
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I like how they are layering the roster. Hoping Big V is healthy if not we signed GG and oh by the way will probably draft a versatile IOL. Took Alim after drafting Levi, took Paschal after getting Hutch, and will likely add to the DL Day 1. Signed 3 DBs, two of them are chess pieces we can move around, and likely will still target a Corner in this deep class.
Campbell talked yesterday about they’ve raised the floor. They embrace next man up, even CJG talked about it and he just got here. Don’t go into a season hoping you stay healthy, acknowledge there will be injuries, that’s the NFL, be ready for that. When you construct the roster with capable backups you can just keep it rolling when bad stuff happens.
Still lacking a backup QB though.
Campbell talked yesterday about they’ve raised the floor. They embrace next man up, even CJG talked about it and he just got here. Don’t go into a season hoping you stay healthy, acknowledge there will be injuries, that’s the NFL, be ready for that. When you construct the roster with capable backups you can just keep it rolling when bad stuff happens.
Still lacking a backup QB though.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Rod Wood presser notes (stolen from Reddit, I never watch his media availability):
- Rod requested we play a European game this year as it would count as a road game for us so that we don’t have to give up a home game in the near future.
- Lions are against the proposed Thursday Night flex rule citing inconvenience for fans as a big factor.
- New helmets to be released sometime “late spring” and can only be worn with the grey jerseys.
- Expects a good amount of primetime games.
- Lions org working on feedback from the NFL wide player feedback survey but Rod says the Lions do their own survey that is more detailed & extensive than the league one & they’re already proactively addressing some of the issues they graded low on. Said they’re already working on redoing the dining facility.
- Players love the new turf. Same turf was installed at Allen Park. David Montgomery said it was the “best indoor field he’s ever seen” when he saw it.
- Barry statue coming soon. Likely a VIP soft opening party and will be ready for opening home game at Ford Field.
- Lions are constantly looking to improve making getting in and out of Ford Field as easy as possible for fans. Especially with larger crowds & more sellouts.
- Lions have record “96%+” season ticket renewal & thousands of additional season ticket requests.
- Things continue to trend in a positive direction with the relationship with Calvin Johnson.
- Metallica tour will push Lions on the road for one of the weekends they’re at Ford Field. Says he fully expects Dan to be at the Friday show.
- Requested a road game for week one.
- (As previously discussed here) is looking at the possibility of a brand new training/practice facility that’s easier for player & fan access. Wants bigger crowds for practices & preseason.
- Requested Home, Away, Home for preseason. Says being home for the last preseason game makes it easier for final roster cuts on the staff as they have more time to focus on those decisions.
Jones thrived under Stafford who would throw tight-window passes into coverage. Goff prefers to throw passes where there is clear separation. Marvin makes very tough catches and is a great WR, but I am not sure is the best fir for Goff. He will only catch 1-2 passes per game, but offers some insurance for ARSB.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Another case of Holmes covering his bases in case the draft doesn't fall exactly to a certain position.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I like it just because he's a good guy with a great family. Mr positivity.
Would be nice to get a big body but they'll make it work either way. Do the Bills, Chiefs or Dolphins have a big X?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yep, great locker room guy. Love Marvin.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Every position seems to be at least adequately addressed and in many cases upgraded, yet not even any rumors about backup QB.
I'm not so sure they draft a QB to be the backup. I have a gut feeling based on nothing that they have plans to acquire a vet after the draft. Right now they want everyone to think they might take one at six for a potential haul. Holmes isn't a clown like Quinn telling every GM they have zero intention of taking a QB.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Calijah Kancey ran a 6.82 3-cone at his Pro Day Wednesday (and 4.33 20-yard shuttle.)
To put that in perspective, the all-time Combine record for interior DL is 7.07 (Fletcher Cox, 2012.)
DT Calijah Kancey's numbers from Combine/Pro Day
HT: 6-1 (9th percentile)
WT: 283 (6th percentile)
10-yard: 1.64 (95th percentile)
40: 4.67 (99th percentile)
3-cone: 6.82 (99th percentile) - would rank 5th all-time if an Official Combine time
Short shuttle: 4.33 (94th percentile)
An all-time "he's small... BUT" prospect
To put that in perspective, the all-time Combine record for interior DL is 7.07 (Fletcher Cox, 2012.)
DT Calijah Kancey's numbers from Combine/Pro Day
HT: 6-1 (9th percentile)
WT: 283 (6th percentile)
10-yard: 1.64 (95th percentile)
40: 4.67 (99th percentile)
3-cone: 6.82 (99th percentile) - would rank 5th all-time if an Official Combine time
Short shuttle: 4.33 (94th percentile)
An all-time "he's small... BUT" prospect
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
PFF on Kancey:
is Kancey the next Donald? No. Nobody is. Donald is a singular player in the history of the league, and we may never see somebody like that again. But we can aim our sights a lot lower and still end up with a dominant player at the next level.
Can Kancey end up as a more consistent and effective player than Ed Oliver — a similarly undersized interior lineman with freakish movement skills? That’s a far more reasonable target to aim for. Oliver was selected ninth overall in 2019. He weighed in under 290 pounds and ran a 4.73-second 40 time, ranking in the 90th percentile or better in seven different athletic tests.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Michael Brockers & Kerby Joseph on GMFB today
Kyle Brandt: Aaron Rodgers has thrown 8K passes....lowest interception % in league history....you picked him three times.
KJ: NGL shoulda been five.
Kyle Brandt: Aaron Rodgers has thrown 8K passes....lowest interception % in league history....you picked him three times.
KJ: NGL shoulda been five.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Love it. Just hope the team stays grounded and doesn't read too many of their own hype pieces. There is still a lot of hard work left to be done.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
This is why I was never too much into the Hard Knocks stuff from last year. Going into a season I'd want as few distractions as possible.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think it worked as a great recruiting tool though. Detroit has managed to totally change the narrative on their organization.
That Hard Knocks might have been the best thing that has ever happened to the Lions franchise.
Sheila Hemp taking over was the best thing which ever happened. The first of the Ford family who was highly competitive and knows how to run an organization. Brad Holmes is the genius and MCDC is the heart and soul, but it was Sheila who brought in Speilman and help made those hires.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
By "distraction" I was referring to their 1-7 start that cost them a playoff spot. Once all that was behind them they got back to the business of winning games.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I think the #1 motivation for FAs is simply money. Also which team is more likely to be winning, coming off a 9-8 season works better than coming off a 3-13-1 season.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yes but what happens when teams are offering similar pay? If I had two similar paying job offers, workplace culture would absolutely be a big part of my decision.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
True on that. But I still think that's more of a word of mouth thing between players more than what they watch on HBO. Similar to how many players know about Patricia in a negative way.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Hard Knocks turned around a lot of national media and got the bandwagon groundswell started. For players relationships played a big factor, and they notice when things are being done the right way. Sutton, Monty and CJGJ all mentioned something along the lines of "hey we played these guys, and you could see that sideline is different."
Saw a clip of Dré Bly on Woodward, he interned with AG and knew Dan from that staff. He started for the Greatest Show on Turf before he came here as a player, and he said "We went from 3-13 to Super Bowl Champs, and the biggest reason was we had great leadership Vermeil. Dan is a great leader, but the whole staff is made up of like minded individuals. The whole building is full of leaders." Even for coaching additions like Dré and defensive consultant John Fox, it's about 1) relationships with the people already here, and 2) wanting to be part of a great culture.
Going to take a lot of hard work to keep this on track, but this team is on a great trajectory. If the money is right then heck yeah people want to be part of bringing Detroit it's first division title in 30 years.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
new additions:
RB Keaton Mitchell, East Carolina (Top 30)
RB Evan Hull, Northwestern (Pro Day)
IOL Steve Avila, TCU (Top 30) - also posted this one the other day
OG O’Cyrus Torrence, Florida (Top 30) - looking at every other G so why not
OL Mark Evans, Arkansas Pine-Bluff (Virtual)
Pass rushing LB Nick Hampton, Appalachian State (Pro Day)
CB Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Mississippi State (Pro Day)
CB Carrington Valenton, Kentucky (Pro Day)
This is what I expect the Lions first five picks (6, 18, 48, 55, and 81) to be in no particular order:
IDL
ILB
CB
QB
WR
They are playing their cards much closer to their chest than usual. I kind of expect the Lions to flip pick 6, unless someone they really love falls. It is much different than normal drafts where the Lions have massive holes to fill.
IDL
ILB
CB
QB
WR
They are playing their cards much closer to their chest than usual. I kind of expect the Lions to flip pick 6, unless someone they really love falls. It is much different than normal drafts where the Lions have massive holes to fill.
massraider
Footballguy
Mike Renner imagines the Lions getting Richardson and BIjan.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Same guy has Tanner McKee as #32 on his Big Board (consensus rank is 114th.)
I like Renner, and that was a good show, listened to it earlier. They were looking at possible scenarios the four teams with two first rounders.
2023 NFL Draft Ideal Scenarios for Teams with Multiple First Round Picks
BTW, their more serious answer was Tyree Wilson at 6 and Calijah Kancey at 18.
The dream scenario was to take the big swing, move up to #3 to draft Richardson - which probably costs them 48, 81 and a 2024 pick. Keep Goff as the starter for two years while you figure out how to use the most athletic QB ever tested. If you take QB then select Kancey or Myles Murphy or Nolan Smith at 18.
OR JUST GO COMPLETELY BONKERS AND DRAFT THE BEST RUSHING GAME EVAH
Lions need to make at least 3 of their first 4 picks defensive players.
IMO
massraider
Footballguy
I very much like him, he's not Hot Take Guy.
If I could arrange a draft pick in front of my Raiders, Tyree to DET would probably by my #1 priority. He might turn out to be fine, but he's not close to a real stud. Buying potential.
I think most likely DET slaps a double to center, and take their #1 CB, whoever it is.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
One thing they brought up to start the show is for three of the four teams (HOU, DET, SEA) this is a franchise defining draft. You get 4-5 starters from Day 1 & 2 (Detroit has 5 of the first 81) or two impact guys in the 1st, you're gonna make a big leap. Philly has virtually no holes bc Howie has done such a great job of future proofing, they're just layering with the 10th and the 30th.
Conversely, don't be the 2014 Browns. Justin Gilbert (8) and Johnny Manziel (22), in one day they set the franchise back years. They also cited the 2019 Raiders draft. They did save it with the Maxx and Renfrow picks - but those 3 first rounders, oof. The one that worked out (RB) is still a bit of a fail from the view of maxing out your Cap, ideally you should be taking high value positions and taking advantage of the cheaper rookie deals.
massraider
Footballguy
In hindsight the RB was a good pick. ideally they take a better position, but look at the draft. A bunch of CBs who sucked, a bust of a DT, and Montez Sweat. PFF still wants to give a bad grade for Jacobs, and they are just wrong. They would have preferred Rock Ya-Sin, soon to be on his 3rd team.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Super Bowl LIX script leaked
Detroit 44, Kansas City 31
Gonna be one of the best SBs ever; ties Super Bowl XXIX for most combined points scored.
Detroit 44, Kansas City 31
Gonna be one of the best SBs ever; ties Super Bowl XXIX for most combined points scored.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
That would also be my serious answer.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Don't forget the 2012 Browns draft: Trent Richardson at 3 and Brandon Weeden at 22. Franchise defining stuff there/
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I am not so sure Kancey is there at 18
massraider
Footballguy
Feels like this guy should get brought up more this year, but everyone loves the Hooker.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Will be interesting to see the risers and fallers over the next 4 weeks. Feel like one of the QBs will drop....Levis seems like the most likely. Nolan Smith seems like a good candidate to be a riser.
Weird class bc there are smallish guys near the top of many position groups: Bryce Young, Peter Skoronski, Kancey, Emmanuel Forbes, Zay Flowers, Josh Downs and Tank Dell, Devon Achane and Deuce Vaughn, et al.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Not a whole lot in Hooker's film / Tennessee's offense that makes you say "oh yeah that'll translate to Sunday." It's kind of beaten to death but that offense makes it hard to evaluate him or Hyatt.
edit - and he's old af but so are a lot of Covid season alumni
massraider
Footballguy
When Anthony Ruchardson enters his 3rd year in the NFL, he will be the same age as Hooker was ---last year.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
We can get "Big Joe Milton" next draft!
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
2022 Hard Knocks on nfl network right now till 2.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
When Anthony Ruchardson enters his 3rd year in the NFL, he will be the same age as Hooker was ---last year.
Levis is 23 as well, right?
John Michael-Schmitz (Minnesota C, #1 at his position in a lot of ranks) is a 6-year player, lot of those in this draft
massraider
Footballguy
Hooker is even a year older than him. I really never found out the deal with Hooker, maybe a Mormon mission I don't know about.
It's not some smoking gun that ARich is gonna be good, but I like to maintain the perspective that when Levis was the same age, he was a backup at Penn State. Now he's strutting around like Jim McMahon over here.
I dunno what Hooker was doing when he was Arich's age, managing a Blockbuster video, maybe?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Hooker is even a year older than him. I really never found out the deal with Hooker, maybe a Mormon mission I don't know about.
It's not some smoking gun that ARich is gonna be good, but I like to maintain the perspective that when Levis was the same age, he was a backup at Penn State. Now he's strutting around like Jim McMahon over here.
I dunno what Hooker was doing when he was Arich's age, managing a Blockbuster video, maybe?
wasn't he like 20 coming out of h.s.? might have him confused with someone else.
edit - turned 19 January of his senior year, 2 years Va Tech then 3 at TEN
massraider
Footballguy
3 months older than Justin Herbert, who's negotiating his 2nd contract. Ouch.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Followed by replays of Lions wins over the Bears, Vikings and Packers
NFLN is essentially part of the Lions PR department rn
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
And Roger Goodell should be paying us for these schedule updates.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Things I learned from Hard Knocks: Hank Fraley has a freaking big neck.
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