2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Draft, FAs, trades? (18 Viewers)

[BobbyLayne]

Brett Kollman 7-round Lions mock

First ten minutes or so is an excellent recap of all transactions for Detroit YTD. This is a no trade, stick and pick mock, and it’s his picks for fit (e.g., not a predictive mock.) FWIW he mentions at the end of his off-season summation the Lions may well package picks to move up to #3. He thinks the team should stick with Goff and draft a developmental QB.

1.6: Devon Witherspoon – CB, Illinois

1.18: Calijah Kancey – DT, Pitt

2:48: Jack Campbell – LB, Iowa

2:55: AT Perry – WR, Wake Forest

3:81: Dorian Thompson-Robinson – QB, UCLA

5.152: Jose Ramirez – EDGE, Eastern Michigan

6.183: Quindell Johnson – S, Memphis

6.194: Moro Ojomo – DT, Texas

Honestly one of the best mocks I have seen, pretty obvious from the intro Kollmann understands the Lions at a depth usually reserved for the local beats.

What’s missing from this list is OL particularly some one who can play G. I would like to see the Lions continue to add to both lines if there are suitable players.

I am coming around to the possibility of DTR as a later round QB option.

Yeah I could see them taking TCU Steve Avila (G who can play C) in the 2nd or Syracuse Matt Bergeron (T who has also played G) in the 3rd. Presuming they stick and pick, NC State Chandler Zavala and UCLA Atonio Mafi are other guys they have interviewed. There's also a Clemson kid (forget his name) they have been interested in who is projected to be a 7th rounder so maybe he's one of their UDFA candidates. Def feels like they are planning on bringing in a G or swing T one way or another just based on how many they have interviewed or scheduled a Top 30 visit.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Two 2nds for a guy who will likely go in the second is too rich for my taste.
I would like to see the Lions if they do trade in this draft push some draft capital back to next yea

Fair but I do think the Lions are going to have “their guys”. It would really suck if the Lions sit tight and have 2 picks where they don’t really love any of the options. If a player they have a higher grade on slips a bit, they should make a move. I don’t think they make all 5 of their top 100 picks.

Yeah there's really no way to predict what Holmes will do but he's not a stick and pick guy, even when he does he talks about how he thought about moving up lol. He wants his guys and he'll do whatever it takes to get them. With this much draft capital it wouldn't be crazy to use those three Day 3 picks (152, 183, 194) to move up a few spots from 48 or 55 or 81. But if they want to move up from 18 that's gonna cost them the 3rd, and if they want to move up from 6 then just throw the Draft Pick Value Charts out the window bc it can get stupid expensive real quick - especially when their are QBs on the board and other teams competing for the same slot.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Lies, damn lies & statistics

Will Anderson:

6’ 3 1/2” 253lbs
33 7/8” Arms
Avg OL Pass Block Rank: 74th
5.0 Pressures per Game
Pass Rush Win: 20.4%
Run Stop Rate: 6.6%

Tyree Wilson:

6’ 6” 271lbs
35 5/8” Arms
Avg OL Pass Block Rank: 48th
5.0 Pressures per Game
Pass Rush Win: 22.3%
Run Stop Rate: 10.0%

 

[Moonlight]

Lies, damn lies & statistics

Will Anderson:

6’ 3 1/2” 253lbs
33 7/8” Arms
Avg OL Pass Block Rank: 74th
5.0 Pressures per Game
Pass Rush Win: 20.4%
Run Stop Rate: 6.6%

Tyree Wilson:

6’ 6” 271lbs
35 5/8” Arms
Avg OL Pass Block Rank: 48th
5.0 Pressures per Game
Pass Rush Win: 22.3%
WRun Stop Rate: 10.0%

Yeah this is why I wasn’t buying into the Lions trading up for Anderson. Talk that Wilson may go before him.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Lies, damn lies & statistics

Will Anderson:

6’ 3 1/2” 253lbs
33 7/8” Arms
Avg OL Pass Block Rank: 74th
5.0 Pressures per Game
Pass Rush Win: 20.4%
Run Stop Rate: 6.6%

Tyree Wilson:

6’ 6” 271lbs
35 5/8” Arms
Avg OL Pass Block Rank: 48th
5.0 Pressures per Game
Pass Rush Win: 22.3%
WRun Stop Rate: 10.0%

Yeah this is why I wasn’t buying into the Lions trading up for Anderson. Talk that Wilson may go before him.

If that actually happens, the Lions have a decent shot at getting one of them.

 

[jon_mx]

Right now, I am good with either Tyree or Witherspoon at 6. It would be ideal if we could trade back a few spots and pick up a later second or something. I am kind of warming up to the Witherspoon pick.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The Six Teams That Are Winning the NFL Offseason … So Far
...let’s look at the ones that have been the busiest behind the scenes and try to figure out how much progress they’ve made.

Detroit Lions​

...With a solid foundation already in place for the pass rush unit, it made sense for the Lions to prioritize the secondary this offseason—
...There are still massive holes the team needs to fill at linebacker, tight end, and defensive tackle, but it’s a good sign that Holmes didn’t go out of his way to address those in free agency. The Lions had plenty of money to spend on big-name free agents but opted to use those resources to fill out the roster with midlevel talent at sensible prices. In the modern NFL, that has become an awfully effective approach.
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Go to the link for the full read.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Programming Note: From 2003, Joey Harrington vs. Jeff Blake on the nfl network. 9:00am eastern daylight time.

 

[BobbyLayne]

@BradGalli

Teddy Bridgewater has a “strong contract offer from the Lions,” @JFowlerESPN reports.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Spoiler alert: Final score of the game features a certain team's current cornerbacks coach.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Programming Note: From 2003, Joey Harrington vs. Jeff Blake on the nfl network. 9:00am eastern daylight time.

they're trying to educate all the bandwagon jumpers what they're getting themselves into

looks like the Masters will be wiped out today, finishing up 2nd round rn and then heavy rains will be moving in

 

[nysfl2]

@BradGalli

Teddy Bridgewater has a “strong contract offer from the Lions,” @JFowlerESPN reports.

I suspected that they might have a handshake agreement with him, but were waiting on the draft to sign. Lions don't want to pay him if they draft someone high, and he doesn't want to sign and wind up third string.

 

[travdogg]

@BradGalli

Teddy Bridgewater has a “strong contract offer from the Lions,” @JFowlerESPN reports.

Teddy is a perfect backup. Teammates love him, and he's still pretty effective. I'd still very much argue if he was healthy for the playoff game last year, Miami would have beaten Buffalo.

Truth be told, I think Teddy is every bit the player Goff is, just had lesser supporting casts throughout his career.

 

[jon_mx]

I about choked watching Woodward Sports and putting the over/under of Jamo TDs at 5.5, with most taking the under.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

Do you guys think Goff is the Lions' long term QB for the next 5 years?

 

[jon_mx]

@BradGalli

Teddy Bridgewater has a “strong contract offer from the Lions,” @JFowlerESPN reports.

Teddy is a perfect backup. Teammates love him, and he's still pretty effective. I'd still very much argue if he was healthy for the playoff game last year, Miami would have beaten Buffalo.

Truth be told, I think Teddy is every bit the player Goff is, just had lesser supporting casts throughout his career.

Teddy is a plug and play replacement should Goff go down. Teddy is a bit high on the interceptions than I would like, but Goff has had his bad years too. That said, Goff did an incredible job not turning over the football last season, which was one of the main keys to winning down the stretch. It would be interesting to see how Teddy could do in this system.

 

[jon_mx]

Do you guys think Goff is the Lions' long term QB for the next 5 years?

Only if he is willing to sign a team friendly deal. I don't see the Lions paying 45 million for him. But Goff does not seem to be about the money, so if he will extend around $35 million, he might be. He needs to build on last year's performance and show that he can get Jamo the ball downfield.

 

[msudaisy26]

Do you guys think Goff is the Lions' long term QB for the next 5 years?

Only if he is willing to sign a team friendly deal. I don't see the Lions paying 45 million for him. But Goff does not seem to be about the money, so if he will extend around $35 million, he might be. He needs to build on last year's performance and show that he can get Jamo the ball downfield.

There is no way this is happening. Guys like Burrow, and Herbert are about to reset the market. There is no way a guy like Goff is taking less than Daniel Jones or Derek Carr. He will definitely get 45+ million a year and if not from Detroit it will be from someone.

When he signed this deal with the Rams back in 2019 he was a top 5 paid QB in the league.

 

[msudaisy26]

@BradGalli

Teddy Bridgewater has a “strong contract offer from the Lions,” @JFowlerESPN reports.

I suspected that they might have a handshake agreement with him, but were waiting on the draft to sign. Lions don't want to pay him if they draft someone high, and he doesn't want to sign and wind up third string.

That and they want to look like they have interest in taking a QB. So trading back is more likely.

 

[SoBeDad]

@BradGalli

Teddy Bridgewater has a “strong contract offer from the Lions,” @JFowlerESPN reports.

Teddy is a perfect backup. Teammates love him, and he's still pretty effective. I'd still very much argue if he was healthy for the playoff game last year, Miami would have beaten Buffalo.

Truth be told, I think Teddy is every bit the player Goff is, just had lesser supporting casts throughout his career.

Teddy has consistently a near average QB every year. He dropped a couple of dimes in preseason with Miami that impressed me. Plus, Tyreek's longest pass reception, by yards in the air, was not from Mahomes, it was this pass that traveled 61 yards from Teddy to Tyreek last year in the game in which Tua suffered the bad concussion. A slight underthrow:

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[jon_mx]

Do you guys think Goff is the Lions' long term QB for the next 5 years?

Only if he is willing to sign a team friendly deal. I don't see the Lions paying 45 million for him. But Goff does not seem to be about the money, so if he will extend around $35 million, he might be. He needs to build on last year's performance and show that he can get Jamo the ball downfield.

There is no way this is happening. Guys like Burrow, and Herbert are about to reset the market. There is no way a guy like Goff is taking less than Daniel Jones or Derek Carr. He will definitely get 45+ million a year and if not from Detroit it will be from someone.

When he signed this deal with the Rams back in 2019 he was a top 5 paid QB in the league.

Remind me how Derek Carr did this year? There is no way that Daniel Jones signing is going to look good in a few years. Look what Lamar Jackson is running into wanting his big payday. There are only a couple QBs worth mortgaging the franchise for, IMHO. And Goff is not one of them.

 

[msudaisy26]

Do you guys think Goff is the Lions' long term QB for the next 5 years?

Only if he is willing to sign a team friendly deal. I don't see the Lions paying 45 million for him. But Goff does not seem to be about the money, so if he will extend around $35 million, he might be. He needs to build on last year's performance and show that he can get Jamo the ball downfield.

There is no way this is happening. Guys like Burrow, and Herbert are about to reset the market. There is no way a guy like Goff is taking less than Daniel Jones or Derek Carr. He will definitely get 45+ million a year and if not from Detroit it will be from someone.

When he signed this deal with the Rams back in 2019 he was a top 5 paid QB in the league.

Remind me how Derek Carr did this year? There is no way that Daniel Jones signing is going to look good in a few years. Look what Lamar Jackson is running into wanting his big payday. There are only a couple QBs worth mortgaging the franchise for, IMHO. And Goff is not one of them.

Doesn't matter. Goff has been really good as a Lion. He has been a top tenish QB in the league and by time it is time to extend him you want to pay him as the 20th best QB in the league. It won't happen.

Derek Carr didn't do much and got what you think Goff should get. That should tell you that you are dreaming.

 

[jon_mx]

Do you guys think Goff is the Lions' long term QB for the next 5 years?

Only if he is willing to sign a team friendly deal. I don't see the Lions paying 45 million for him. But Goff does not seem to be about the money, so if he will extend around $35 million, he might be. He needs to build on last year's performance and show that he can get Jamo the ball downfield.

There is no way this is happening. Guys like Burrow, and Herbert are about to reset the market. There is no way a guy like Goff is taking less than Daniel Jones or Derek Carr. He will definitely get 45+ million a year and if not from Detroit it will be from someone.

When he signed this deal with the Rams back in 2019 he was a top 5 paid QB in the league.

Remind me how Derek Carr did this year? There is no way that Daniel Jones signing is going to look good in a few years. Look what Lamar Jackson is running into wanting his big payday. There are only a couple QBs worth mortgaging the franchise for, IMHO. And Goff is not one of them.

Doesn't matter. Goff has been really good as a Lion. He has been a top tenish QB in the league and by time it is time to extend him you want to pay him as the 20th best QB in the league. It won't happen.

Derek Carr didn't do much and got what you think Goff should get. That should tell you that you are dreaming.

It is hard to say what Carr got, since only $100 million is guaranteed. It is more like a $30 million dollar contract since the 4th year at $50 million will probably not happen.

 

[msudaisy26]

Do you guys think Goff is the Lions' long term QB for the next 5 years?

Only if he is willing to sign a team friendly deal. I don't see the Lions paying 45 million for him. But Goff does not seem to be about the money, so if he will extend around $35 million, he might be. He needs to build on last year's performance and show that he can get Jamo the ball downfield.

There is no way this is happening. Guys like Burrow, and Herbert are about to reset the market. There is no way a guy like Goff is taking less than Daniel Jones or Derek Carr. He will definitely get 45+ million a year and if not from Detroit it will be from someone.

When he signed this deal with the Rams back in 2019 he was a top 5 paid QB in the league.

Remind me how Derek Carr did this year? There is no way that Daniel Jones signing is going to look good in a few years. Look what Lamar Jackson is running into wanting his big payday. There are only a couple QBs worth mortgaging the franchise for, IMHO. And Goff is not one of them.

Doesn't matter. Goff has been really good as a Lion. He has been a top tenish QB in the league and by time it is time to extend him you want to pay him as the 20th best QB in the league. It won't happen.

Derek Carr didn't do much and got what you think Goff should get. That should tell you that you are dreaming.

It is hard to say what Carr got, since only $100 million is guaranteed. It is more like a $30 million dollar contract since the 4th year at $50 million will probably not happen.

That is true. I am just going based on average since most of these guys won't see the last year because of getting cut or renegotiations.

The cap is going up and you have guys like Jackson, Burrow, Herbert and Tua (if he stays healthy) all going to set the market higher about the time Goff is ready to get a new deal. Assuming Goff plays close to last year 40 to 45 million will be the floor for his new deal.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I'd like to see them sign Teddy and maybe draft someone on day 2 or 3 to develop. Either/All better than just keeping Nate.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'd like to see them sign Teddy and maybe draft someone on day 2 or 3 to develop. Either/All better than just keeping Nate.

yeah I think Teddy would be solid, if Jared missed a month he could still win some games. Sudfeld or pretty much any rookie is probably going 0-4.

 

[jon_mx]

Lions Fan reaction to the 2022-23 Season

 

[BobbyLayne]

The Lions are reportedly looking to move on from CB Jeff Okudah. Execs around the league believe the value for the former #3 overall draft pick is a 3rd round pick.

 

[Zeppelin]

Detroit Lions reportedly hosting intriguing Tennessee QB on pre-draft visit

 

[Da Guru]

I'd like to see them sign Teddy and maybe draft someone on day 2 or 3 to develop. Either/All better than just keeping Nate.

yeah I think Teddy would be solid, if Jared missed a month he could still win some games. Sudfeld or pretty much any rookie is probably going 0-4.

I like Teddy as a backup, but he is as delicate as fine china. Seems like every game he plays he gets hurt.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Detroit Lions reportedly hosting intriguing Tennessee QB on pre-draft visit

what's intriguing? he's still rehabbing his ACL - iffy he'll be able to practice during TC - turns 26 in January, has never played in a pro style offense.

 

[BobbyLayne]

PFF (Sam Monson) put up a Mock Draft today - CJ Stroud falls to 6

1. Richardson
2. Young
3. Levis (Colts trade up)
4. Anderson (Cards)
5. Carter

And the Lions move back to 11 (Titans), presumably picking up #41.

With pick 11 they take Joey Porter Jr over Gonzalez (Witherspoon goes 1.07)

Then....take Gonzalez at pick 18.



ED still on the board: Tyree Wilson, Lukas Van Ness, Nolan Smith, Myles Murphy
DI available: Bryan Bresee
WRs: Jordan Addison, Quentin Johnston

Crazy. I get it if they trade Okudah but if you like JPJ bc his press man is so good, why double up with Gonzalez (who has never allowed a QB passer rating lower than 74.)

Holmes has used two of his first three picks on DL the first two years, and the way this draft is likely to fall, if you want an Edge to play opposite Hutch, you need to take him in the 1st.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Schefter:

At least six teams have inquired with the Arizona Cardinals about trading up for the third overall pick in the upcoming April 27 NFL Draft, per league sources. Cardinals still are mulling whether to move pick or make it.

 

[Moonlight]

I'd like to see them sign Teddy and maybe draft someone on day 2 or 3 to develop. Either/All better than just keeping Nate.

yeah I think Teddy would be solid, if Jared missed a month he could still win some games. Sudfeld or pretty much any rookie is probably going 0-4.

I like Teddy as a backup, but he is as delicate as fine china. Seems like every game he plays he gets hurt.

Remember his career becoming derailed at Minnesota with a severe non contact knee injury that occurred in a preseason practice.

Has a career passing rating of 90.5. He would be a very good backup but does seem more fragile than you would like. I think he still has starter’s ambitions.

But Lions OL is likely the best he would play with and team has definite playoff/Superbowl upside.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I'd like to see them sign Teddy and maybe draft someone on day 2 or 3 to develop. Either/All better than just keeping Nate.

yeah I think Teddy would be solid, if Jared missed a month he could still win some games. Sudfeld or pretty much any rookie is probably going 0-4.

I like Teddy as a backup, but he is as delicate as fine china. Seems like every game he plays he gets hurt.

I remember the "skinny knees" knock coming into the draft and people thought it was silly. It's not of course, he has a rail thin frame with Mr. Glass like bone density. He's a great person, clearly has talent, but he's too thin and still listed at the same weight as when he was drafted which is probably 15-20lbs heavier than his actual weight.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I swear this is the worst time of the year. Hope there is some positive news between now and the long awaited draft.

 

[Chaka]

I swear this is the worst time of the year. Hope there is some positive news between now and the long awaited draft.

The Lions entire off-season has been nothing but positive news.

 

[Ilov80s]

Lies, damn lies & statistics

Will Anderson:

6’ 3 1/2” 253lbs
33 7/8” Arms
Avg OL Pass Block Rank: 74th
5.0 Pressures per Game
Pass Rush Win: 20.4%
Run Stop Rate: 6.6%

Tyree Wilson:

6’ 6” 271lbs
35 5/8” Arms
Avg OL Pass Block Rank: 48th
5.0 Pressures per Game
Pass Rush Win: 22.3%
Run Stop Rate: 10.0%

I’m just not a Tyree Wilson guy. Limited production and older prospect. Anderson’s sophomore year was ridiculous- he’s a special player imo. Give me Witherspoon over Wilson.

 

[travdogg]

Lies, damn lies & statistics

Will Anderson:

6’ 3 1/2” 253lbs
33 7/8” Arms
Avg OL Pass Block Rank: 74th
5.0 Pressures per Game
Pass Rush Win: 20.4%
Run Stop Rate: 6.6%

Tyree Wilson:

6’ 6” 271lbs
35 5/8” Arms
Avg OL Pass Block Rank: 48th
5.0 Pressures per Game
Pass Rush Win: 22.3%
Run Stop Rate: 10.0%

I’m just not a Tyree Wilson guy. Limited production and older prospect. Anderson’s sophomore year was ridiculous- he’s a special player imo. Give me Witherspoon over Wilson.

You think Witherspoon goes ahead of Gonzalez? I mean, I personally like Witherspoon more, but Gonzalez has better size/speed, and typically goes higher in mocks.

 

[travdogg]

PFF (Sam Monson) put up a Mock Draft today - CJ Stroud falls to 6

1. Richardson
2. Young
3. Levis (Colts trade up)
4. Anderson (Cards)
5. Carter

And the Lions move back to 11 (Titans), presumably picking up #41.

With pick 11 they take Joey Porter Jr over Gonzalez (Witherspoon goes 1.07)

Then....take Gonzalez at pick 18.



ED still on the board: Tyree Wilson, Lukas Van Ness, Nolan Smith, Myles Murphy
DI available: Bryan Bresee
WRs: Jordan Addison, Quentin Johnston

Crazy. I get it if they trade Okudah but if you like JPJ bc his press man is so good, why double up with Gonzalez (who has never allowed a QB passer rating lower than 74.)

Holmes has used two of his first three picks on DL the first two years, and the way this draft is likely to fall, if you want an Edge to play opposite Hutch, you need to take him in the 1st.

I like Monson as an analyst, but he is very much a "his way or no way" type. Which is great for concept and idea content, but he's not the PFF guy for quality mocks, that'd be Renner.

If Gonzalez makes it to #18, it's because he suffers a major injury between now and the draft.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I swear this is the worst time of the year. Hope there is some positive news between now and the long awaited draft.

The Lions entire off-season has been nothing but positive news.

I just meant something to fill this dead time right now.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Dead time filler:

Odds to go #6 overall per draftkings:

Wilson +300
Witherspoon +300
Gonzo +350
Carter +400
Anderson +500
Everyone else at least +2000

 

[Ilov80s]

Lies, damn lies & statistics

Will Anderson:

6’ 3 1/2” 253lbs
33 7/8” Arms
Avg OL Pass Block Rank: 74th
5.0 Pressures per Game
Pass Rush Win: 20.4%
Run Stop Rate: 6.6%

Tyree Wilson:

6’ 6” 271lbs
35 5/8” Arms
Avg OL Pass Block Rank: 48th
5.0 Pressures per Game
Pass Rush Win: 22.3%
Run Stop Rate: 10.0%

I’m just not a Tyree Wilson guy. Limited production and older prospect. Anderson’s sophomore year was ridiculous- he’s a special player imo. Give me Witherspoon over Wilson.

You think Witherspoon goes ahead of Gonzalez? I mean, I personally like Witherspoon more, but Gonzalez has better size/speed, and typically goes higher in mocks.

I think it just comes down to personal preference. Gonzalez has better size/speed/length and is younger. Witherspoon is a better tackler, more physical and more versatile.

 

[BobbyLayne]

tone setter - first play of the B1G season

I want that guy

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Can we get a short list of Draft needs for you all now with the 6 and 18 picks overall?

-We assume that DB is not as much of a problem after free agency but also understand what you might be looking at with No 6. Likely the top DB on the board will be there is they want him.
-Otherwise you are looking at maybe Carter slipping to you at 6, 2 QBs off the board and I think the Lions wouldn't mind 3 or 4 of them going in the Top 5 before they select.

Gonzalez and Witherspoon are both top notch DB prospects, any team that lands one fo those 2 is going to be happy I think but Jeff Okudah was a can't miss type and that hasn't worked out yet for the Lions, maybe they don't want to invest another Top 10 pick at the position after FA.

On offense, I think you have enough at WR, OL is pretty strong, QB is not Top5 but he's not in the Bottom Half of the league and I think you can still win with a guy in say the Top 12-15 if you have a loaded OL/DL, playmakers in the Secondary and WR, you have a pretty good chance of the Playoffs.

And that brings me to my last point on this entry. You all have a very good chance to take down the NFC North and maybe be a 2 or 3-seed, and who knows if Dallas and Philly get into a tug of war, down year in the South and perhaps West, stranger things have happened but Detroit has a legit shot to be one of the top seeds in the NFC in '23. What do you all need to make it far? I know a RB somewhere in the Draft would open the offense up. If you all can hold teams to a reasonable number, your offense is good enough to win many weeks.

What is the Draft plan in your minds?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Can we get a short list of Draft needs for you all now with the 6 and 18 picks overall?

-We assume that DB is not as much of a problem after free agency but also understand what you might be looking at with No 6. Likely the top DB on the board will be there is they want him.
-Otherwise you are looking at maybe Carter slipping to you at 6, 2 QBs off the board and I think the Lions wouldn't mind 3 or 4 of them going in the Top 5 before they select.

Gonzalez and Witherspoon are both top notch DB prospects, any team that lands one fo those 2 is going to be happy I think but Jeff Okudah was a can't miss type and that hasn't worked out yet for the Lions, maybe they don't want to invest another Top 10 pick at the position after FA.

On offense, I think you have enough at WR, OL is pretty strong, QB is not Top5 but he's not in the Bottom Half of the league and I think you can still win with a guy in say the Top 12-15 if you have a loaded OL/DL, playmakers in the Secondary and WR, you have a pretty good chance of the Playoffs.

And that brings me to my last point on this entry. You all have a very good chance to take down the NFC North and maybe be a 2 or 3-seed, and who knows if Dallas and Philly get into a tug of war, down year in the South and perhaps West, stranger things have happened but Detroit has a legit shot to be one of the top seeds in the NFC in '23. What do you all need to make it far? I know a RB somewhere in the Draft would open the offense up. If you all can hold teams to a reasonable number, your offense is good enough to win many weeks.

What is the Draft plan in your minds?

1. trust Brad Holmes

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Can we get a short list of Draft needs for you all now with the 6 and 18 picks overall?

-We assume that DB is not as much of a problem after free agency but also understand what you might be looking at with No 6. Likely the top DB on the board will be there is they want him.
-Otherwise you are looking at maybe Carter slipping to you at 6, 2 QBs off the board and I think the Lions wouldn't mind 3 or 4 of them going in the Top 5 before they select.

Gonzalez and Witherspoon are both top notch DB prospects, any team that lands one fo those 2 is going to be happy I think but Jeff Okudah was a can't miss type and that hasn't worked out yet for the Lions, maybe they don't want to invest another Top 10 pick at the position after FA.

On offense, I think you have enough at WR, OL is pretty strong, QB is not Top5 but he's not in the Bottom Half of the league and I think you can still win with a guy in say the Top 12-15 if you have a loaded OL/DL, playmakers in the Secondary and WR, you have a pretty good chance of the Playoffs.

And that brings me to my last point on this entry. You all have a very good chance to take down the NFC North and maybe be a 2 or 3-seed, and who knows if Dallas and Philly get into a tug of war, down year in the South and perhaps West, stranger things have happened but Detroit has a legit shot to be one of the top seeds in the NFC in '23. What do you all need to make it far? I know a RB somewhere in the Draft would open the offense up. If you all can hold teams to a reasonable number, your offense is good enough to win many weeks.

What is the Draft plan in your minds?

1. trust Brad Holmes

OK, what if you were Brad Holmes, what would you do?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Holmes seems to strong prefer BPA over needs, and used FA this year to cover pressing needs (CB, G) - yet no one would be surprised if we drafted both a Corner and 1-2 IOL.

Sutton is the only CB signed for 2024. Jonah will become an UFA after the season and it's hard to see them paying what it will take to keep him.

I'll list what I think are their priority of needs, but I don't expect that to dictate where they draft guys. I think they will continue to take athletic guys with good college production. They don't even have a depth chart in the War Room, because that's just not part of their philosophy of roster construction. Drafting to fill needs is a poor process which leads to bad decisions - paraphrase of a direct quote from Holmes.

1. IDL who can generate pressure
2. true CB1 who is good in press man
3. Edge to complement Hutch
4. big body WR to play the X
5. IOL who can take over as RG starter Y2
6. backup QB - going on a run this year, we need to ensure an injury to Goff doesn't wipe out the season
7. offball LB with coverage skills - not a position they usually fill on day 1 or day 2 although I see a lot of mocks giving us Campbell or Henley or Sanders at 48/55
8. RB bc you should probably draft one every other year
9. TE who can block

Holmes likes to double down. If he takes one flavor, he still might take another. In both 2021 and 2022, he took a lineman in R1 (Penei and Hutch) and double down with 1-2 more DL in rounds 2-3 (Levi and Alim in 2021, Josh Paschal in 2022.) Found value on Day 3 both years. He is an elite evaluator of talent. Not perfect but the process is rock solid.

I think they are positioned to do anything they want: move up, stick and pick, trade back for more picks. I have no idead what they'll do but I would bet the house they don't stand pat. They'll be some kind of surprise and it'll likely be something good.

 

[Zeppelin]

Holmes seems to strong prefer BPA over needs, and used FA this year to cover pressing needs (CB, G) - yet no one would be surprised if we drafted both a Corner and 1-2 IOL.

Sutton is the only CB signed for 2024. Jonah will become an UFA after the season and it's hard to see them paying what it will take to keep him.

I'll list what I think are their priority of needs, but I don't expect that to dictate where they draft guys. I think they will continue to take athletic guys with good college production. They don't even have a depth chart in the War Room, because that's just not part of their philosophy of roster construction. Drafting to fill needs is a poor process which leads to bad decisions - paraphrase of a direct quote from Holmes.

1. IDL who can generate pressure
2. true CB1 who is good in press man
3. Edge to complement Hutch
4. big body WR to play the X
5. IOL who can take over as RG starter Y2
6. backup QB - going on a run this year, we need to ensure an injury to Goff doesn't wipe out the season
7. offball LB with coverage skills - not a position they usually fill on day 1 or day 2 although I see a lot of mocks giving us Campbell or Henley or Sanders at 48/55
8. RB bc you should probably draft one every other year
9. TE who can block

Holmes likes to double down. If he takes one flavor, he still might take another. In both 2021 and 2022, he took a lineman in R1 (Penei and Hutch) and double down with 1-2 more DL in rounds 2-3 (Levi and Alim in 2021, Josh Paschal in 2022.) Found value on Day 3 both years. He is an elite evaluator of talent. Not perfect but the process is rock solid.

I think they are positioned to do anything they want: move up, stick and pick, trade back for more picks. I have no idead what they'll do but I would bet the house they don't stand pat. They'll be some kind of surprise and it'll likely be something good.

Almost exactly what I would say Great minds think alike.

 

[jon_mx]

Can we get a short list of Draft needs for you all now with the 6 and 18 picks overall?

-We assume that DB is not as much of a problem after free agency but also understand what you might be looking at with No 6. Likely the top DB on the board will be there is they want him.
-Otherwise you are looking at maybe Carter slipping to you at 6, 2 QBs off the board and I think the Lions wouldn't mind 3 or 4 of them going in the Top 5 before they select.

Gonzalez and Witherspoon are both top notch DB prospects, any team that lands one fo those 2 is going to be happy I think but Jeff Okudah was a can't miss type and that hasn't worked out yet for the Lions, maybe they don't want to invest another Top 10 pick at the position after FA.

On offense, I think you have enough at WR, OL is pretty strong, QB is not Top5 but he's not in the Bottom Half of the league and I think you can still win with a guy in say the Top 12-15 if you have a loaded OL/DL, playmakers in the Secondary and WR, you have a pretty good chance of the Playoffs.

And that brings me to my last point on this entry. You all have a very good chance to take down the NFC North and maybe be a 2 or 3-seed, and who knows if Dallas and Philly get into a tug of war, down year in the South and perhaps West, stranger things have happened but Detroit has a legit shot to be one of the top seeds in the NFC in '23. What do you all need to make it far? I know a RB somewhere in the Draft would open the offense up. If you all can hold teams to a reasonable number, your offense is good enough to win many weeks.

What is the Draft plan in your minds?

1. trust Brad Holmes

OK, what if you were Brad Holmes, what would you do?

We need DBs, probably our #2 peiority. We are loaded with one year contracts at DB, we need a stud rookie so we do not have to break the bank next season.

Interior DL is our number one need, assuming Levi's back is not good.

A stud versatile linebacker is our number 3 need. One that can cover TEs, a tackling machine, and can occasionally blitz.

Backup QB is our fourth need.

Edge Rusher is our fifth need.

Backup OL is our sixth need.

A pass-catching TE is our seventh need.

Our first four picks will be interior DL, CB, LB, and QB in some order of best available. That said Holmes and Campbell pick dogs irregardless of need. If they love someone, they will go get them. In their mind injuries happen, so what looks like a strength, can deteriorate quickly. So their philosophy is to pick the best football players you can get.