Mayer is going to help in that regard. Very good in-line blocker by all accounts.So the Oline was never addressed
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I have got the impression that they like Munford and Eluemunor. I expect them to kick Eluemunor to RG and have Munford at RT. No inside info from a cousin or anything just how I kind of feel like they are are feeling. Munford flashed some talent last year to show there was potential for him as a competent RT. Eluemunor can play RG competently. If they do this then our line is solid. The left side will be pretty good, our center above average and the right side stabilized.So the Oline was never addressed
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This makes me smile. Fingers crossed they found some gems.Six of the Raiders’ nine picks were on the defensive side of the ball.
Big E has been on the tweeters saying that he and miller will be the 2 best tackles in the league. He definitely hasn’t gotten the memo that he’s playing G.I have got the impression that they like Munford and Eluemunor. I expect them to kick Eluemunor to RG and have Munford at RT. No inside info from a cousin or anything just how I kind of feel like they are are feeling. Munford flashed some talent last year to show there was potential for him as a competent RT. Eluemunor can play RG competently. If they do this then our line is solid. The left side will be pretty good, our center above average and the right side stabilized.So the Oline was never addressed
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I saw that... if he wins out, great. They could likely find a salary cap cut to pick up at G for an upgrade over Bars at 53 man cuts. I just have a feeling they are looking to go this route and that doesn't mean they have decided on it 100% or even so told Eluemanur. He was talking last off season or early last season about how he was working harder than he did with other opportunities at NE to be a starting RT.Big E has been on the tweeters saying that he and miller will be the 2 best tackles in the league. He definitely hasn’t gotten the memo that he’s playing G.I have got the impression that they like Munford and Eluemunor. I expect them to kick Eluemunor to RG and have Munford at RT. No inside info from a cousin or anything just how I kind of feel like they are are feeling. Munford flashed some talent last year to show there was potential for him as a competent RT. Eluemunor can play RG competently. If they do this then our line is solid. The left side will be pretty good, our center above average and the right side stabilized.So the Oline was never addressed
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Should be a good fit for the McDaniels system. No mobility, but stands in there and delivers with good accuracy. Trusts his receivers to make plays and not afraid to throw it. Surprised both O'Connell and Charlie Jones were drafted this high, but both guys were the Purdue offense last year and put up big numbers. Doubt he is a future franchise QB but it has happened before. He is one of the later round QB's I can see pulling a Brock Purdy and surprising people if given a chance. With only Garoppolo and Hoyer in front, he may play sooner than later.Aidan O'Connell? Never heard of him.
I see Scott Mitchell. Which is ok for where he was drafted.Should be a good fit for the McDaniels system. No mobility, but stands in there and delivers with good accuracy. Trusts his receivers to make plays and not afraid to throw it. Surprised both O'Connell and Charlie Jones were drafted this high, but both guys were the Purdue offense last year and put up big numbers. Doubt he is a future franchise QB but it has happened before. He is one of the later round QB's I can see pulling a Brock Purdy and surprising people if given a chance. With only Garoppolo and Hoyer in front, he may play sooner than later.Aidan O'Connell? Never heard of him.
Scott Mitchell would an amazing outcome. Love the comp.I see Scott Mitchell. Which is ok for where he was drafted.Should be a good fit for the McDaniels system. No mobility, but stands in there and delivers with good accuracy. Trusts his receivers to make plays and not afraid to throw it. Surprised both O'Connell and Charlie Jones were drafted this high, but both guys were the Purdue offense last year and put up big numbers. Doubt he is a future franchise QB but it has happened before. He is one of the later round QB's I can see pulling a Brock Purdy and surprising people if given a chance. With only Garoppolo and Hoyer in front, he may play sooner than later.Aidan O'Connell? Never heard of him.
I don't get the Scott Mitchell comp.I see Scott Mitchell. Which is ok for where he was drafted.Should be a good fit for the McDaniels system. No mobility, but stands in there and delivers with good accuracy. Trusts his receivers to make plays and not afraid to throw it. Surprised both O'Connell and Charlie Jones were drafted this high, but both guys were the Purdue offense last year and put up big numbers. Doubt he is a future franchise QB but it has happened before. He is one of the later round QB's I can see pulling a Brock Purdy and surprising people if given a chance. With only Garoppolo and Hoyer in front, he may play sooner than later.Aidan O'Connell? Never heard of him.
He reminds me of Jim Plunkett with a weaker arm, but he has the same pocket movement and the same touch on his passes , the movements are pretty similar IMOI don't get the Scott Mitchell comp.I see Scott Mitchell. Which is ok for where he was drafted.Should be a good fit for the McDaniels system. No mobility, but stands in there and delivers with good accuracy. Trusts his receivers to make plays and not afraid to throw it. Surprised both O'Connell and Charlie Jones were drafted this high, but both guys were the Purdue offense last year and put up big numbers. Doubt he is a future franchise QB but it has happened before. He is one of the later round QB's I can see pulling a Brock Purdy and surprising people if given a chance. With only Garoppolo and Hoyer in front, he may play sooner than later.Aidan O'Connell? Never heard of him.
Scott was not very accurate and his decision making was questionable which are the teo things O'Connell supposedly excels at.
How do you see that as being the comp?
I’m not going to pretend I remember much about the NFL in the late 80s early 90s, I was just a teenager. He just reminds me of him. I have no stats to back anything up, I can just see O’Connell being that type of QB. And I say that because if we’re looking at how the patriots have handled their QBs in the past, they’re treated more like commodities than potential starters or guys who become starters for them. Guys like Cassell, Jimmy G and Brisset were all drafted and developed then traded away, which I can see happening to O’Connell.I don't get the Scott Mitchell comp.I see Scott Mitchell. Which is ok for where he was drafted.Should be a good fit for the McDaniels system. No mobility, but stands in there and delivers with good accuracy. Trusts his receivers to make plays and not afraid to throw it. Surprised both O'Connell and Charlie Jones were drafted this high, but both guys were the Purdue offense last year and put up big numbers. Doubt he is a future franchise QB but it has happened before. He is one of the later round QB's I can see pulling a Brock Purdy and surprising people if given a chance. With only Garoppolo and Hoyer in front, he may play sooner than later.Aidan O'Connell? Never heard of him.
Scott was not very accurate and his decision making was questionable which are the two things O'Connell supposedly excels at.
How do you see that as being the comp?
I believe this was a quote from my ex wifelot of people I would be happy with. Like 20 guys.
Even more interesting to me was that Anderson was one of them and sounded like ranked higher than Wilson.... because of the size, that is somewhat surprising to me.Interesting insights from Peter King, who was present in the Raiders’ War Room.
They were targeting 4 players at 7.
Tyree
Witherspoon
Anderson
Johnson
According to King, they were not in the QB market at all in the first round and were hoping three QBs go in the first six picks to land one of their four targets. Sounds like Johnson was their #1 target, but the Cards jumped them and Wilson became the pick.
Yeah I wonder how much concern there is for Wilson’s foot. Sounds like he will be ready for camp. And I have to trust Ziegler and Champ’s judgment, their jobs are on the line now. It’s not like Gruden and his 10 year contract, throwing caution to the wind and not worrying about job security. These guys have to keep that in mind with every pick.Even more interesting to me was that Anderson was one of them and sounded like ranked higher than Wilson.... because of the size, that is somewhat surprising to me.Interesting insights from Peter King, who was present in the Raiders’ War Room.
They were targeting 4 players at 7.
Tyree
Witherspoon
Anderson
Johnson
According to King, they were not in the QB market at all in the first round and were hoping three QBs go in the first six picks to land one of their four targets. Sounds like Johnson was their #1 target, but the Cards jumped them and Wilson became the pick.
On Sirius, they said one scouting note was: "A sack waiting to happen."He reminds me of Jim Plunkett with a weaker arm, but he has the same pocket movement and the same touch on his passes , the movements are pretty similar IMOI don't get the Scott Mitchell comp.I see Scott Mitchell. Which is ok for where he was drafted.Should be a good fit for the McDaniels system. No mobility, but stands in there and delivers with good accuracy. Trusts his receivers to make plays and not afraid to throw it. Surprised both O'Connell and Charlie Jones were drafted this high, but both guys were the Purdue offense last year and put up big numbers. Doubt he is a future franchise QB but it has happened before. He is one of the later round QB's I can see pulling a Brock Purdy and surprising people if given a chance. With only Garoppolo and Hoyer in front, he may play sooner than later.Aidan O'Connell? Never heard of him.
Scott was not very accurate and his decision making was questionable which are the teo things O'Connell supposedly excels at.
How do you see that as being the comp?
Exactly, nothing wrong with starting a QB factory in VegasI like the Scott Mitchell comp. The Raiders don't necessarily need him to be the QB of the future, they need him to be a spot starter who performs well enough in short stints as the starter that another team will consider dealing for him. The Patriots have always worked every angle to add to their draft capital. Drafting QBs, making them look viable in spot starts and dealing them for picks and players is something they have done quite a few times.
Cassel, Brisset, Stidham, Garoppolo, Mallett all netted picks or players for the Patriots. Green Bay also had a reputation for the QB pipeline for awhile.
O'Connell only needs to be good enough to convince someone else to give up a 2nd round pick for him. And if he turns out to be the future All Pro QB of the Raiders, so much the better.
QB factory, underrepresented minority coaching and front office factory too. Any way to get an edge up.Exactly, nothing wrong with starting a QB factory in VegasI like the Scott Mitchell comp. The Raiders don't necessarily need him to be the QB of the future, they need him to be a spot starter who performs well enough in short stints as the starter that another team will consider dealing for him. The Patriots have always worked every angle to add to their draft capital. Drafting QBs, making them look viable in spot starts and dealing them for picks and players is something they have done quite a few times.
Cassel, Brisset, Stidham, Garoppolo, Mallett all netted picks or players for the Patriots. Green Bay also had a reputation for the QB pipeline for awhile.
O'Connell only needs to be good enough to convince someone else to give up a 2nd round pick for him. And if he turns out to be the future All Pro QB of the Raiders, so much the better.
underrepresented minority coaching and front office factory too
Nice evaluations , thanks for taking the time to type out a readable and positive postOk, after digesting the draft and doing some reading... here is my take on the daft:
Tyree Wilson- I absolutely loved this pick. There were two players I wanted here which of course Wilson was one of them. The other was Carter but that was more about wanting a DT that can wreck a game. I knew the potential of getting Carter was low because of the off field and too close of an echo to Ruggs which is to fresh to ignore. That being said, Wilson really has one question mark which is his foot injury whereas Carter had more question marks. Wilson comes in and I think instantly uprades our pass rush. He should take snaps from Jones which will hopefully keep old man Jones more effective so we not only get production from a top young pass rushing defensive end but we have a vet who can come in and be fresh to add some pass rush too. Wilson is pretty much a bigger version of Jones. I love the idea of Wilson learning from Jones and watching the work ethic of Maxx to learn how to be a pro.
Michael Mayer- As much as I loved the Wilson pick, I love this one even more. Sure, it wasn't another defender but when a guy like Mayer falls that far in the draft for no other reason than it was a strong TE class so I think teams were going other directions feeling that could get another TE later. Mayer gets a ton of love and I am probably a little higher on him than most. Consensus is that he is a solid middle of the 1st round pick type of player. There are some disagreements on who the best TE in the draft is but I think you have to ask "What do you want from a TE?" If that answer is a true Y TE then Mayer is the best TE and it isn't close. They looked to move back into the 1st to grab him there but it didn't work out. I am not sure if getting him later is better.... sure, we didn't have to give up as much to go up and get him but now we don't have that 5th year option which I have no doubt we will have wanted to use. Overjoyed by us getting him.
Byron Young- We went DT here which was a need. He sounds like he is smart player that is a run stopper first with some potential to push a pocket though not really a sack producer. Hoping he makes an impact in rotation.
Tre Tucker- This was surprising at first but then digging into things it made more sense. We lack speed in our WR corps and Tucker adds it. The only speedster we have is an underperforming 30 year old with an injury history. Tucker seems meant to add some speed, provide some ability for jet sweeps, bubble screens, etc and provide some return ability. Plus, he did well on ST's on defense as well. I don't expect much from him on the offense- he isn't going to take snaps away from Adams, Meyers or Renfrow but he will get some appearances to help stretch the field and otherwise use his speed.
Jakorian Bennett- Back to back picks that Al would have approved of. A guy with 4.3 speed. A smaller but big enough with showing some ability to get his hands on the football. Should contribute but like most 4th round picks the question is how much.
Aidan O'Connell- There is a lot of talk about this pick. The take on him is that he is an accurate thrower who can 'process' well- which is basically exactly what McD wants in a QB for their system. After all, Brady and all the others on through Jones were/are not exactly dual threat QB's. The one QB with the most dual threat ability (though diminished by his time working with McD) is the guy who had the least amount of success in the system (Newton). The big negative on him is he can move about as well as I can, which is to say he can't move. I read one comment that said he has the mobility of a tree. If he can do everything else well and that it the big problem- I am happy with this pick. As for drafting QB's late, it makes sense for teams to take flyers on these guys late is the upside/downside on it is so hugely favorable. If you hit on a QB late it gives you flexibility to trade them or if good enough take over at the most important position on the field. The Niners showed that having several QB's to call on isn't such a bad thing. It may be a lot to ask of him to unseat Hoyer out of the gate simply because Hoyer knows the system in and out but whichever one makes the team, the other will get stashed on the PS.
Christopher Smith- Basically the same size as Bennett. Known for being smart, athletic and plays the ball well. Apparently fell in the draft due to the smaller size.
Amari Burney- A safety converted to LB who showed the ability to do everything in tackling, rushing, covering etc.
Nesta Jade Silvera- Has a quick first step but needs to learn to use it. A project with promise... pretty much what you are looking for these deep.
Overall, the first two picks were home runs. Though we did pick up a TE, WR and QB the rest were centered around the defense. The TE made perfect sense and was for a top tier talent. The WR was a little puzzling but also makes sense when you look at the roster composition. Taking a shot at a QB makes sense regardless if you think there is potential and a system fit and even more so when you have an average QB that is known to get hurt and his back up is older than me.
I am pretty happy with the draft overall. I can't say there was anything were I was totally upset about what we did and each selection makes sense when looking at the big picture. Here is hoping they all pan out.
I’m nit picking but I didn’t think the trade up was necessary to get the qbNice evaluations , thanks for taking the time to type out a readable and positive postOk, after digesting the draft and doing some reading... here is my take on the daft:
Tyree Wilson- I absolutely loved this pick. There were two players I wanted here which of course Wilson was one of them. The other was Carter but that was more about wanting a DT that can wreck a game. I knew the potential of getting Carter was low because of the off field and too close of an echo to Ruggs which is to fresh to ignore. That being said, Wilson really has one question mark which is his foot injury whereas Carter had more question marks. Wilson comes in and I think instantly uprades our pass rush. He should take snaps from Jones which will hopefully keep old man Jones more effective so we not only get production from a top young pass rushing defensive end but we have a vet who can come in and be fresh to add some pass rush too. Wilson is pretty much a bigger version of Jones. I love the idea of Wilson learning from Jones and watching the work ethic of Maxx to learn how to be a pro.
Michael Mayer- As much as I loved the Wilson pick, I love this one even more. Sure, it wasn't another defender but when a guy like Mayer falls that far in the draft for no other reason than it was a strong TE class so I think teams were going other directions feeling that could get another TE later. Mayer gets a ton of love and I am probably a little higher on him than most. Consensus is that he is a solid middle of the 1st round pick type of player. There are some disagreements on who the best TE in the draft is but I think you have to ask "What do you want from a TE?" If that answer is a true Y TE then Mayer is the best TE and it isn't close. They looked to move back into the 1st to grab him there but it didn't work out. I am not sure if getting him later is better.... sure, we didn't have to give up as much to go up and get him but now we don't have that 5th year option which I have no doubt we will have wanted to use. Overjoyed by us getting him.
Byron Young- We went DT here which was a need. He sounds like he is smart player that is a run stopper first with some potential to push a pocket though not really a sack producer. Hoping he makes an impact in rotation.
Tre Tucker- This was surprising at first but then digging into things it made more sense. We lack speed in our WR corps and Tucker adds it. The only speedster we have is an underperforming 30 year old with an injury history. Tucker seems meant to add some speed, provide some ability for jet sweeps, bubble screens, etc and provide some return ability. Plus, he did well on ST's on defense as well. I don't expect much from him on the offense- he isn't going to take snaps away from Adams, Meyers or Renfrow but he will get some appearances to help stretch the field and otherwise use his speed.
Jakorian Bennett- Back to back picks that Al would have approved of. A guy with 4.3 speed. A smaller but big enough with showing some ability to get his hands on the football. Should contribute but like most 4th round picks the question is how much.
Aidan O'Connell- There is a lot of talk about this pick. The take on him is that he is an accurate thrower who can 'process' well- which is basically exactly what McD wants in a QB for their system. After all, Brady and all the others on through Jones were/are not exactly dual threat QB's. The one QB with the most dual threat ability (though diminished by his time working with McD) is the guy who had the least amount of success in the system (Newton). The big negative on him is he can move about as well as I can, which is to say he can't move. I read one comment that said he has the mobility of a tree. If he can do everything else well and that it the big problem- I am happy with this pick. As for drafting QB's late, it makes sense for teams to take flyers on these guys late is the upside/downside on it is so hugely favorable. If you hit on a QB late it gives you flexibility to trade them or if good enough take over at the most important position on the field. The Niners showed that having several QB's to call on isn't such a bad thing. It may be a lot to ask of him to unseat Hoyer out of the gate simply because Hoyer knows the system in and out but whichever one makes the team, the other will get stashed on the PS.
Christopher Smith- Basically the same size as Bennett. Known for being smart, athletic and plays the ball well. Apparently fell in the draft due to the smaller size.
Amari Burney- A safety converted to LB who showed the ability to do everything in tackling, rushing, covering etc.
Nesta Jade Silvera- Has a quick first step but needs to learn to use it. A project with promise... pretty much what you are looking for these deep.
Overall, the first two picks were home runs. Though we did pick up a TE, WR and QB the rest were centered around the defense. The TE made perfect sense and was for a top tier talent. The WR was a little puzzling but also makes sense when you look at the roster composition. Taking a shot at a QB makes sense regardless if you think there is potential and a system fit and even more so when you have an average QB that is known to get hurt and his back up is older than me.
I am pretty happy with the draft overall. I can't say there was anything were I was totally upset about what we did and each selection makes sense when looking at the big picture. Here is hoping they all pan out.
The thing i love most is we didnt take weird chances by way over reaching , everyone picked were picked within their ADP
Interesting comments and views about the picks hereBy the way, all of these draft picks are a year older because Covid, so we should expect them to hit the ground running. If they don't? Well, do you wanna be a 24 year old who hasn't shown anything by next summer? This is not a young class--League wide.
When I looked at Tyree the first time, i thought he was thicker than he was. He's leaner and quicker than I thought. As an athlete, somewhere in the JPP to Carlos Dunlap range, actually in the Maxx Crosby range. Having a condor on either side of the defense could really be something. Not my first choice, but I am onboard, and prefer to a dang CB fo sho.
Mayer was the complete TE, who is probably more of a plus receiver than most. I love tight ends, I think McD has been around offenses who used TE really well, and Jimmy G likes that part of the field. I thought beforehand that there would probably be a TE McD would like at this spot, and his #1 guy, so that's great. And really, you tell me who in the 2nd round you would have taken over Mayer.
I think guys like Tre Tucker, Byron Young, and Aidan O'Connell is the front office trying to hit doubles, not home runs. Tucker is going to be be on all special teams, hopefully a plus returner, and fights for targets.
Young looks like a rotational DT to me, workman like guy who can stop the run, and maybe get a little push. I will tell you what, Graham needs to show some progress, because we have added a lot of bodies, which I like. Maxx/Jones/Wilson/Willis/Koonce outside, and Nichols/Tillery/Butler/Young/Farrell. I really liked Jordan Willis coming out of college, love to see him help out.
And Aidan O'Connell you hope he's McD's designated backup. if it turns out he's the next Tom Brady, hey, that would be swell. But if he's just the system backup guy, for a late 4th? Yes, no doubt.
Jakorian Bennett is in the top 5% athletically, of CBs in the draft. I have to say, I have a hard time feeling strongly about CB in the draft. I want us to draft them, but the return on top drafted guys is not great. Now the question is, why did he fall this far? Worth the pick, obviously.
Christopher Smith was interesting, maybe a zone nickel type, and he's supposed to have a high football IQ. I wonder about these other guys that played for Georgia. His floor is really low, IMO. Not a good athlete. But if he can be a 4th safety and play ST for 4 years, it's worth it. Same with Burney.
All in all, a focus on defense. Mayer was BPA. Special teams should be better,
Kiper being the most pessimistic bodes wellInteresting comments and views about the picks hereBy the way, all of these draft picks are a year older because Covid, so we should expect them to hit the ground running. If they don't? Well, do you wanna be a 24 year old who hasn't shown anything by next summer? This is not a young class--League wide.
When I looked at Tyree the first time, i thought he was thicker than he was. He's leaner and quicker than I thought. As an athlete, somewhere in the JPP to Carlos Dunlap range, actually in the Maxx Crosby range. Having a condor on either side of the defense could really be something. Not my first choice, but I am onboard, and prefer to a dang CB fo sho.
Mayer was the complete TE, who is probably more of a plus receiver than most. I love tight ends, I think McD has been around offenses who used TE really well, and Jimmy G likes that part of the field. I thought beforehand that there would probably be a TE McD would like at this spot, and his #1 guy, so that's great. And really, you tell me who in the 2nd round you would have taken over Mayer.
I think guys like Tre Tucker, Byron Young, and Aidan O'Connell is the front office trying to hit doubles, not home runs. Tucker is going to be be on all special teams, hopefully a plus returner, and fights for targets.
Young looks like a rotational DT to me, workman like guy who can stop the run, and maybe get a little push. I will tell you what, Graham needs to show some progress, because we have added a lot of bodies, which I like. Maxx/Jones/Wilson/Willis/Koonce outside, and Nichols/Tillery/Butler/Young/Farrell. I really liked Jordan Willis coming out of college, love to see him help out.
And Aidan O'Connell you hope he's McD's designated backup. if it turns out he's the next Tom Brady, hey, that would be swell. But if he's just the system backup guy, for a late 4th? Yes, no doubt.
Jakorian Bennett is in the top 5% athletically, of CBs in the draft. I have to say, I have a hard time feeling strongly about CB in the draft. I want us to draft them, but the return on top drafted guys is not great. Now the question is, why did he fall this far? Worth the pick, obviously.
Christopher Smith was interesting, maybe a zone nickel type, and he's supposed to have a high football IQ. I wonder about these other guys that played for Georgia. His floor is really low, IMO. Not a good athlete. But if he can be a 4th safety and play ST for 4 years, it's worth it. Same with Burney.
All in all, a focus on defense. Mayer was BPA. Special teams should be better,
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This doesn't concern me, he doesn't need to run for 20 yards, or even have plus escapability he needs to have pocket awareness, know when and where to get rid of the ball and maybe the occasional QB sneak.The big negative on him is he can move about as well as I can, which is to say he can't move. I read one comment that said he has the mobility of a tree.
Jakorian Bennett- Back to back picks that Al would have approved of. A guy with 4.3 speed. A smaller but big enough with showing some ability to get his hands on the football. Should contribute but like most 4th round picks the question is how much.
Personally I love this pick and think he could be a day 1 starter.Jakorian Bennett is in the top 5% athletically, of CBs in the draft. I have to say, I have a hard time feeling strongly about CB in the draft. I want us to draft them, but the return on top drafted guys is not great. Now the question is, why did he fall this far? Worth the pick, obviously.